Tsi vs Tdi?

mickwat155

Anyone know what the 1.2 tsi is like opposed to the 1.6 tdi / 2.0 tdi

Im thinking about a 1.2 tsi leon there not badly priced and have a good decent spec and have got a good review on english forums but i want to hear from the irish anyone any stories good or bad..?!

ive also tought about a tdi mk6 golf or an exeo but the dreaded dpf is putting me off

Any thoughts??

NIMAN

Had this decision myself in the last few weeks as I was changing cars, ended up going with the diesel again for now.

Got to ask yourself which fuel suits your driving style best.

Do you do mainly city driving, short miles?

Or do you do long commutes?

Jesus.

I'd prefer the TDI. I'm not mad about high revving little petrols but a lot of people seem to like 'em so its up to yourself. I drove the 1.2 in an Octy and its grand. Depends what you like yourself and the mileage you're putting up.

DraganGTD

Had a go in a new Golf mk7 2.0tdi , absolutely amazing how that car goes. Felt better then in GTD mk6.

Bpmull

The 1.4tsi engine is suppose to be better than the 1.2 I think they are dead enough. Problem is the 2.0tdi and 1.4tsi are roughly the same price but the diesel holds its value better. My dad recently got a mk7 golf van 1.6tdi 90 and even that's nippy enough although a lot of the cars are 1.6tdi 110bhp so quicker again still not going to be a rocket though the 2.0tdi will be the nicer one to drive. It also depends on your annual milleage driving type all short trips doesn't suit a diesels.

friarpat

Have a SEAT Ibiza 1.2 TSI with a DSG7 gearbox. A cracker! Fast, economical, low tax. Recommended

mickwat155

friarpat wrote: »

Have a SEAT Ibiza 1.2 TSI with a DSG7 gearbox. A cracker! Fast, economical, low tax. Recommended

What year is it? It's wild annoying cause I've seen mixed reviews aldo alot have been good.. Some haven't people saying they are piles of ****e and give wild trouble with bottom ends going, turbo problems which would be very off putting.

DraganGTD

friarpat wrote: »

Have a SEAT Ibiza 1.2 TSI with a DSG7 gearbox. A cracker! Fast, economical, low tax. Recommended

How much does it take in city driving conditions ?

billy few mates

I asked this very question on the buying section in regards to a 1.6 Tdi and a 1.2 TSi Golf, both with DSG and to be honest I couldn't fault either of them, they both drove beautifully. I drove the diesel first and that drove as expected but I was pleasantly surprised how agile the petrol car was. I now have to decide which one to go for, they're both in and around the same price but the TSi is a year newer, the new shape and has about 10,000 km less on it. I've driven diesels for the last ten years and I'd never really considered going back to petrol until I drove this one.

Jesus.

friarpat wrote: »

Have a SEAT Ibiza 1.2 TSI with a DSG7 gearbox. A cracker! Fast, economical, low tax. Recommended

Is it really mate? I know engines are constantly getting smaller (and better) but I'm not sure about a 1.2 being fast. Is it even nippy?

I suspect the 1.4 would be the daycent one

DraganGTD

Jesus. wrote: »

Is it really mate? I know engines are constantly getting smaller (and better) but I'm not sure about a 1.2 being fast. Is it even nippy?

I suspect the 1.4 would be the daycent one

If it's 105hp why it would not be fast?? It's a small car.

Jesus.

DraganGTD wrote: »

If it's 105hp why it would not be fast?? It's a small car.

Just checked a couple of 0-60's on youtube and it does indeed seem very nippy. 8 or 9 seconds.

She probably wouldn't be that economical on the Motorway though

DraganGTD

Jesus. wrote: »

Just checked a couple of 0-60's on youtube and it does indeed seem very nippy. 8 or 9 seconds.

She probably wouldn't be that economical on the Motorway though

I had 1.4 petrol one I think 80hp and it was taking fuel very well. Now when I switched to diesel what a difference.

MuppetCheck

Jesus. wrote: »

Just checked a couple of 0-60's on youtube and it does indeed seem very nippy. 8 or 9 seconds.

She probably wouldn't be that economical on the Motorway though

It should he as economical as any other 1.2, probably more so with a 7th gear. Drove a fabia with that engine and it's a nippy little car, much better than you'd think.

An ibiza isn't a motorway car anyway though. For city driving that's an excellent option imo. Good box, peppy engine. No dpf to worry about.

ba_barabus

We have the 1.2T in a Yeti. It's nippy enough to drive, economical enough and has given no issues. I've driven a Golf with the same engine and it was fine also. Now if you're doing bigger mileage or long motorway trips I'd certainly advise the diesel but our Yeti is 2 years old and still hasn't covered 18k kilometers so diesel is out of the question. Our economy with all short trips is currently around 42mpg measured by brimming the tank.

Ignore the people telling you they're slow and not up to the job. Ask them if they've ever driven one and you'll find out they haven't and are just talking through their hole. Isn't that right Jesus?

One person who did drive one and hated it was Dr.fuzzenstein. He has fair enough points about it but all I can say is on a regular basis I find my experience to be different.

ba_barabus

MuppetCheck wrote: »

It should he as economical as any other 1.2

This. Most of these engines replaced older 1.4/6 units and my experience is that they deliver more power and better economy. They give similar mpg to what a 1.2 would do in similar circumstances.

mloc123

The small TSI engines with DSG have a lot of nice features which returns a decent enough MPG. Coasting function, stop/start, 7 speed claims to be more efficient than a manual.

Jesus.

MuppetCheck wrote: »

It should he as economical as any other 1.2

That's my point, IE: not very.

SteelyDanJalapeno

The Golf MK5 1.4TSI timing chain isn't up to the task, cant speak for any other series thou.

Stallingrad

TiltedBrain wrote: »

The Golf MK5 1.4TSI timing chain isn't up to the task, cant speak for any other series thou.

I think the chain issue relates to the Supercharged TSi engine, not the normal Turbo, though open to correction on that.

SteelyDanJalapeno

Stallingrad wrote: »

I think the chain issue relates to the Supercharged TSi engine, not the normal Turbo, though open to correction on that.

No, I have the Turbo (122bhp) and recently spent 1200 euro replacing mine due to stretching.

There's 3 flavours of the MK5 TSI thou, maybe that's where the confusion, 122, 140 and 170, the 170 uses the Supercharger

Stallingrad

TiltedBrain wrote: »

No, I have the Turbo (122bhp) and recently spent 1200 euro replacing mine due to stretching.

There's 3 flavours of the MK5 TSI thou, maybe that's where the confusion, 122, 140 and 170, the 170 uses the Supercharger

Bummer, what year was yours? Mine is a 2011 with 50K.

billy few mates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2k8HnmMbls

robbiew

Surely with 2 or more people in a 1.2Tsi the car will handle like a snail ?

ba_barabus

robbiew wrote: »

Surely with 2 or more people in a 1.2Tsi the car will handle like a snail ?

I had 4 adults in the Yeti and it drove fine. Not a sports car but adequate. It was a lot nippier than the 1.6 Alfa 147 I drive last week with 4 adults in it!

The gearing helps a lot in this regard.

The Rape of Lucretia

Bpmull wrote: »

Problem is the 2.0tdi and 1.4tsi are roughly the same price but the diesel holds its value better.

Does anyone know is the fundamental reasoning valuing the diesel better still valid ? Taking the running costs and lifetime of the petrol versus diesel, is the conventional thinking that the diesel is the better value long term prospect still correct ? Or just assumption ?

AutoMan79

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Does anyone know is the fundamental reasoning valuing the diesel better still valid ? Taking the running costs and lifetime of the petrol versus diesel, is the conventional thinking that the diesel is the better value long term prospect still correct ? Or just assumption ?

I can refer to 1.4 TSI and 2.0 TDI.
I would buy diesel if I am doing a lot of miles per year but if not then 1.4 TSI all the way.
TSI is very quiet/refined engine and a bit faster then TDI.

As a second hand TSI will be cheaper compared to TDI but TSI is cheaper to buy new for around 2k then TDI so for me it's kind of d same.

Personally I owned one diesel and one petrol MK5's so if you keep car longer in your ownership the servicing and repairs are exact the same or even some diesels could even cost more coz of DPF issue.

hoodie6029

I've an Ibiza FR with the 1.2tsi engine and a 5 speed box. It an absolute cracker to drive. Coming from diesel it was great to have a rev range again. It's much better around town than a diesel and is refined on the motorway too.
I get 40mpg on the motorway.

billy few mates

I have the 1.2 TSi seven speed DSG Mk 7 Golf and it's really nice to drive, surprisingly nippy and very economical from what I can tell but I've only done approx 200 miles on it since I bought it last February.

kyote00

1.4 TSI is a ticking time bomb due to timing chain stretch....

Have very recent experience with having one fixed in low milage (<80kms golf) - costing the bones of e1500

just google "VW TSI timing chain problems"

dashcamdanny

I have the 1.2 tsi 110hp manual 6 speed in my Golf Mk7.

I find it smooth and nippy. Can still give you a spirited drive on the back roads if asked. MPG is around 45 average and best was 66mpg on a 40km motorway trip.
I dont like the turbo lag but when it kicks off, its great.

I chose a petrol because of a 2 mile suburb commute each day. I believe such trip would be bad for a Diesel.

But to be completely honest with myself.. I wished I saved a bit more for a new GTI DSG. My next Golf order will be that.

Anjobe

kyote00 wrote: »

1.4 TSI is a ticking time bomb due to timing chain stretch....

Have very recent experience with having one fixed in low milage (<80kms golf) - costing the bones of e1500

just google "VW TSI timing chain problems"

Does this affect the 120HP 1.4 TSI? I thought it was just the twin charger versions.

obi604

kyote00 wrote: »

1.4 TSI is a ticking time bomb due to timing chain stretch....

Have very recent experience with having one fixed in low milage (<80kms golf) - costing the bones of e1500

just google "VW TSI timing chain problems"

Does the timing chain issue affect the 1.2 tsi 105 bhp version ?

OldMrBrennan83

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Okay here are the sums for Petrol V Diesel.

For 12,427 miles ( 15,000 Kms) 55 mpg diesel 48 Mpg petrol

1,027 litres = 1.19 per litre = €1,222 Diesel.

1,177 Litres - 1.30 Per litre = € 1,530 Petrol

Now this is the average and not some BS "in town" or "on the motorway" calculation.

In order to calculate the average per tank you don't reset the trip computer until after you fill up, then you take a reading when you get to the pump the next time. Resetting for a motorway or town trip is not accurate at all.

So the difference is 308 Euro's, I think this reflects the real life difference between modern petrol and diesel.

So why would anyone bother with diesel ? unrefined tractor engines, with a crap narrow power band.

I pay about 50 Euro's for 2,000 miles in the Nissan Leaf but in reality I pay less because public charging is free but this is what it would cost if I charged on night saver for all my driving. I've driven 18,300 Kms since 15th January 2015 !

I've driven 18,300 Kms so if I've averaged 18 Kwh per 100 Kms then 18,300 divide by 100 = 183 multiply that by 18 and that's the amount of leccy I used, = 3,294 Kwh. 3,294 Kwh multiply by the night rate electricity cost 263 Euro's for 18,300 Kms V €2,163 for Diesel for the same amount of Kms.

This is excluding the free public charging I've got !