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Water Charges Protest.

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  • 05-02-2015 9:24pm
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    TheQuietFella
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    Well done to all & great to see such a turn out!


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    barneystinson
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    TheQuietFella wrote: »
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    Well done to all & great to see such a turn out!

    How many did turn out?


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    Potential-Monke
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    The first peaceful protest i've seen down here in relation to Water Charges.


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    ROCKMAN
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    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    The first peaceful protest i've seen down here in relation to Water Charges.


    Ah just give it up :o


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    The Bowling Alley
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    Do we believe that close to 1 million people have registered with Irish Water?

    I don't believe it tbh. Nothing to do with Irish Water, I just don't believe that 1 million people would bother their arses to go out of their way and do something. If we had to register for free coal, you can be sure most people would forget or just wouldn't be bothered to fill out the forms.

    Propaganda is alive and well.


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    wellboytoo
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    The Bowling Alley wrote: »
    Do we believe that close to 1 million people have registered with Irish Water?

    I don't believe it tbh. Nothing to do with Irish Water, I just don't believe that 1 million people would bother their arses to go out of their way and do something. If we had to register for free coal, you can be sure most people would forget or just wouldn't be bothered to fill out the forms.

    Propaganda is alive and well.

    I was thinking about that, anyone with a well, or their own supply would most probably have registered because it really has no down side for them to do so, and they are considered "customers" and would be a very large group of people in Ireland due to our "enlightened" planning laws over the last thirty years.
    This would surely bulk up the registered numbers heavily?


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    Max Powers
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    wellboytoo wrote: »
    I was thinking about that, anyone with a well, or their own supply would most probably have registered because it really has no down side for them to do so, and they are considered "customers" and would be a very large group of people in Ireland due to our "enlightened" planning laws over the last thirty years.
    This would surely bulk up the registered numbers heavily?

    on the other hand, maybe a lot of those left to register have their own well or part of schemes too and dotn realise that they are meant to register.


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    invalid
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    or maybe there are a lot of people in the country who are willing to pay?

    I'm registered and willing to pay.


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    Hijpo
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    invalid wrote: »
    or maybe there are a lot of people in the country who are willing to pay?

    I'm registered and willing to pay.

    Go you!


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    Finnbar01
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    invalid wrote: »
    or maybe there are a lot of people in the country who are willing to pay?

    I'm registered and willing to pay.

    Mmmm.... you're already paying for it.


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    CatFromHue
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    Boycott Topaz?

    I think some people need to have a look at the situation properly before boycotting Topaz.


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    barneystinson
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    Finnbar01 wrote: »
    Mmmm.... you're already paying for it.

    Really?

    Or are we borrowing the money to pay for it?


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    wmpdd3
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    No matter what side you are on, it says alot about an area when people can protest in a an organised and peaceful manner.

    Well done to all concerned.


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    Cabaal
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    The Bowling Alley wrote: »
    Do we believe that close to 1 million people have registered with Irish Water?

    I don't believe it tbh.....

    Didn't loads of people also claim that the goverment lied about the numbers for people that had registered for the property tax? Of course reality showed that they actually had and the compliance numbers are very high.


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    Hijpo
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Didn't loads of people also claim that the goverment lied about the numbers for people that had registered for the property tax? Of course reality showed that they actually had and the compliance numbers are very high.

    There were threats of tax compliance certs, deductions at source, fines and so on.
    This is different, you must acknowledge that at least.


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    shinzon
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    Cabaal wrote: »
    Didn't loads of people also claim that the goverment lied about the numbers for people that had registered for the property tax? Of course reality showed that they actually had and the compliance numbers are very high.

    People had no choice in the matter of the property tax due to revenue being involved one way or another that money was to be gotten because its the property TAX

    Water charges are completely different in that regard, no revenue involvement so theres a choice pay or don't pay, paying will see people suffer the consequences in years to come, IW is a for profit company everything it borrows needs to be paid back and whose paying it back us, and with the revelations that came out of pac this week adding it all up already some people will be paying a 1000 euro or more through general tax subvention and the bills

    Anyone who thinks that he water charge will go to updating the infrastructure are deluding themselves at this stage itll be diverted to something else as it always is in this country

    Setting up Irish water and getting water charges up and running at any cost at this stage it seems I simply do not agree or will never agree with

    Shin


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    barneystinson
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    shinzon wrote: »
    People had no choice in the matter of the property tax due to revenue being involved one way or another that money was to be gotten because its the property TAX

    Water charges are completely different in that regard, no revenue involvement so theres a choice pay or don't pay, paying will see people suffer the consequences in years to come, IW is a for profit company everything it borrows needs to be paid back and whose paying it back us, and with the revelations that came out of pac this week adding it all up already some people will be paying a 1000 euro or more through general tax subvention and the bills

    Anyone who thinks that he water charge will go to updating the infrastructure are deluding themselves at this stage itll be diverted to something else as it always is in this country

    Setting up Irish water and getting water charges up and running at any cost at this stage it seems I simply do not agree or will never agree with

    Shin

    I don't follow. Are you saying we shouldn't have a water infrastructure so?

    Or just carry on with what we have, which is clearly inefficient and in need of huge investment?


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    shinzon
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    barneystinson wrote: »
    I don't follow. Are you saying we shouldn't have a water infrastructure so?

    Or just carry on with what we have, which is clearly inefficient and in need of huge investment?

    What im saying is they've already diverted property tax and road tax into IW to subvent it, so what these taxes were supposed to be used for they weren't, same will happen to the Water charges, they'll be something else some government will want to do and the money will go there and the infrastructure will be left to rot

    Shin


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    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    shinzon wrote: »
    What im saying is they've already diverted property tax and road tax into IW to subvent it, so what these taxes were supposed to be used for they weren't, same will happen to the Water charges, they'll be something else some government will want to do and the money will go there and the infrastructure will be left to rot

    Shin

    This is hilarious. Look at what you just typed. You've just explained the EXACT reason why a standalone entity is needed.


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    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭shinzon


    barneystinson wrote: »
    This is hilarious. Look at what you just typed. You've just explained the EXACT reason why a standalone entity is needed.

    Not sure what meaning you taking from what I posted but whatever floats your boat I guess

    Shin


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    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    shinzon wrote: »
    Not sure what meaning you taking from what I posted but whatever floats your boat I guess

    Shin

    Well if IW is a separate semi-state entity how could the govt divert the income it raises through water charges?


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    shinzon
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    barneystinson wrote: »
    Well if IW is a separate semi-state entity how could the govt divert the income it raises through water charges?

    Easy do what they've always done take it anyway don't tell anyone for years then someone finds out leaks it outrage soon follows rinse repeat basically


    Shin


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    barneystinson
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    shinzon wrote: »
    Easy do what they've always done take it anyway don't tell anyone for years then someone finds out leaks it outrage soon follows rinse repeat basically


    Shin

    When did that last happen?


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    shinzon
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    barneystinson wrote: »
    When did that last happen?

    umm the road tax and property tax subvented to IW, nobody had a clue till they said it in the PAC hearings last week

    Shin


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    barneystinson
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    shinzon wrote: »
    umm the road tax and property tax subvented to IW, nobody had a clue till they said it in the PAC hearings last week

    Shin

    That's not what you're talking about though. You're suggesting that money charged by a state owned utility (ESB, Bord Gais) was secretly siphoned off. So this didnt happen then?

    All that happened during the week is we were told that, surprise surprise, that money raised through general taxation was given to IW. How that was news baffles me, since we were always told there would be subvention.


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    shinzon
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    barneystinson wrote: »
    That's not what you're talking about though. You're suggesting that money charged by a state owned utility (ESB, Bord Gais) was secretly siphoned off. So this didnt happen then?

    its exactly what im talking about, how do we know whats going on anywhere in all honesty

    Shin


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    barneystinson
    Registered Users Posts: 4,683 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    shinzon wrote: »
    its exactly what im talking about, how do we know whats going on anywhere in all honesty

    Shin

    It's not.

    You're veering into conspiracy theory territory.


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    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭shinzon


    barneystinson wrote: »
    It's not.

    You're veering into conspiracy theory territory.

    Was it a conspiracy theory when everyone said the property tax wasn't going to goto local services oh wait..........

    Shin


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    barneystinson
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    shinzon wrote: »
    Was it a conspiracy theory when everyone said the property tax wasn't going to goto local services oh wait..........

    Shin

    Did local services stop being funded for want of that money?


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    Cabaal
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    Hijpo wrote: »
    There were threats of tax compliance certs, deductions at source, fines and so on.
    This is different, you must acknowledge that at least.

    But didn't loads of people also claim defiance in relation to fines etc?

    What happened to these big crowds of defiant people? Compliance is pretty damn high for this charge, people are either protesting or they are not...it would appear they are not and had no real intention of going against it only for keyboard warriors on the internet claiming they'd do zyx.

    I'm betting the exact same thing happens with the Irish Water charges, big on words but between idiots undermining the protests by abusing our president (and being proud of it) and the charges actually coming in, the compliance with the registration is high.

    Claiming the numbers are made up is kinda silly, unless you have credible evidence to show otherwise.


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    Cabaal
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    shinzon wrote: »
    umm the road tax and property tax subvented to IW, nobody had a clue till they said it in the PAC hearings last week

    Shin

    Road tax?
    Motor Tax has been used the same way as general taxation for a long long time now...its funded education, health etc. If part or all of it gets redirected to setup a utility company as a temp measure then thats a decision of the goverment.

    Do you think the goverment didn't use tax money to setup ESB etc when they were setup by the state?


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