Hkc securewatch

Redriddick

Hi Guy,
I have a hkc alarm fitted in the house since circa 2004.
I would like to be able to part set the door tampers and leave the pirs off for when we are in the house.
Also would like to know what options I have for arming and disarming it form my phone.
OH and a manual would be handy!!
Not asking alot am I :D:D:D:D

kub

Hi OP,
Firstly I wonder has a part set function been set up on your system. Usually with the panel you have it is either 0#7 ( & code if it asks for it after you press these buttons) or 0#8 ( again followed by code if asked ). Do you have any recollection of ever using these codes on the system?

With regard to remote functionality of that panel, then what you need is a HKC text dialler. When fitted correctly the unit will notify you via SMS and allow you control of the system again by text.
Apps will not work with it as it is too old.

Redriddick

kub wrote: »

Hi OP,
Firstly I wonder has a part set function been set up on your system. Usually with the panel you have it is either 0#7 ( & code if it asks for it after you press these buttons) or 0#8 ( again followed by code if asked ). Do you have any recollection of ever using these codes on the system?

With regard to remote functionality of that panel, then what you need is a HKC text dialler. When fitted correctly the unit will notify you via SMS and allow you control of the system again by text.
Apps will not work with it as it is too old.

No never had the option to part set on it.
I have tried them but the pir still set it off.
How much would it cost to upgrade the panel.

kub

Well for a reprogramming of the system, you don't really need to upgrade your panel.

I am just wondering, is it just beams and door contacts that you have in the house?

For costs I would suggest that you start with a quote from your original installer, then if you wish get 2 others from other PSA licenced installers in your area.
You could upgrade to something like the HKC 10/70, it has a brilliant app, granted it costs as other posters here point out but in all my years in this industry I think it is fantastic. I notice that if HKC tick all the boxes and in my honest opinion I think that Risco, Siemens etc are all compromises one way or another technologically speaking.

Redriddick

Yes its just beams and contacts that I have in the house.
Can this be upgraded by myself???

kub

Well in a word yes, if you feel you are capable of it.
The only issue if you are going with APP control with HKC then an installer as recognised by them is the person who can commission that dialer unit.

Redriddick

What would you recommend I do.
Get a hkc 1070 or go with an alternative brand.
Really would like an app maybe for handiness.

KoolKid

Go for an alternative brand like Siemens, Risco, GSD.

You can set up apps with these without the need to pay for the apps you download or pay any subscriptions. With HKC you will have to pay €60 per year.
Risco & Siemens also have the added benefit that you can access them from any web browser if you are somewhere without mobile data.

Redriddick

Thanks for that,
So I have 3 door contacts and 4 pir in the house,can anyone advise what I should buy to replace the hkc system with either of the above????

KoolKid

REW
Northwood Technology
RWL
Borsatec
All have Siemens
GSD is a little harder to source through distribution. Where are you located?

Redriddick

Midlands

KoolKid

I'm sure Northwood would arrange shipping.

ronan45

KoolKid wrote: »

Go for an alternative brand like Siemens ,Risco & GSD.

You can set up apps with these without the need to pay for the apps you download or pay any subscriptions. With HKC you will have to pay €60 per year.
Risco & Siemens also have the added benefit that you can access them from any web browser if you are somewhere without mobile data.

Just Curious are the apps for the alternative systems Siemes / Risco etc as user friendly as the HKC? The HKC looks dead simple and easy to use.
Would you have a link to their Phone app programes or screen shots or do you actually have to make an app yourself?
HKC Phone app below in operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJySQDN3daM

KoolKid

All apps are very user friendly.
I am mobile at the moment so I don't have links.
In the app stores search
IRisco
GSD alarm
Spc Connect

Compared to some of the above I find the HKC app very basic.

altor

ronan45 wrote: »

Just Curious are the apps for the alternative systems Siemes / Risco etc as user friendly as the HKC? The HKC looks dead simple and easy to use.
Would you have a link to their Phone app programes or screen shots or do you actually have to make an app yourself?
HKC Phone app below in operation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJySQDN3daM

Did you have a chance to view the other apps?

KoolKid

Links to Apps.

Android Play Store

Siemens SPC Connect
iRisco
GSD

App Store

SPC Connect
iRisco
GSD

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

Links to Apps.

Android Play Store

Siemens SPC Connect
iRisco
GSD

App Store

SPC Connect
iRisco
GSD

Has GSD got a demo account for the app?

KoolKid

I'm sure they have.
I use my Dem Kits so I'm not sure what it is. Give them a shout, I'm sure they will look after you.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

I'm sure they have.
I use my Dem Kits so I'm not sure what it is. Give them a shout, I'm sure they will look after you.

Not for myself, for people who want to look at the app you linked too.

KoolKid

Not sure tbh.
I will check with them and come back.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

Not sure tbh.
I will check with them and come back.

Checked today and they don't have a virtual site set up for the app.

KoolKid

Thanks for the update, I'll chase them up for something.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

Thanks for the update, I'll chase them up for something.

Yeah Paul was working on it today.
Going to be a while to set it up.

KoolKid

Should be fairly simple. Stick a panel in a corner & plug it into the LAN.
Might set up one myself if they are making a project out of it.:P

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

Should be fairly simple. Stick a panel in a corner & plug it into the LAN.
Might set up one myself if they are making a project out of it.:P

Not that easy as if you connect and set it then some one else wants to connect and do something different while you are showing a client.
A virtual demo would be best in my opinion.

KoolKid

Thats the beauty of cloud connections multiple connections are possible.
But if I was doing a dem or something I would be using my dem kit in the van not a panel sitting in a corner somewhere.
Risco have theirs on a live system & I have never had any problems like that.

altor

Its for people to see the app you linked to working.
A demo does not have to be a working system, that why I said a virtual system.

KoolKid

I know.
Siemens one works like that, Riscos one is a live system. Never had any issue with either.
Like I said I might set one up in a corner myself. If it gets that popular that I have to worry about conflicts I'll be chuffed.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

I know.
Siemens one works like that, Riscos one is a live system. Never had any issue with either.
Like I said I might set one up in a corner myself. If it gets that popular that I have to worry about conflicts I'll be chuffed.

Not as much as GSD would.
I was looking for them to give one to put on boards so potential customers could use and see how it works. If people where to log in at the same time is where the conflict will start. Same with doing the same myself with a panel in the corner.

KoolKid

Must get them to give Richard a call in Risco and see how they manage it.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

Must get them to give Richard a call in Risco and see how they manage it.

I am sure the lads will come up with something.

KoolKid

I'm in there again in the coming days. I'll sort something with them.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

I'm in there again in the coming days. I'll sort something with them.

cheers

karltimber

I have a HKC 1070 self installed.
I will probably go with the HKC app (I Know !).

So, how do I go about getting a Reg-installer to install the app ?
Will I still have full access to my alarm post install (eng code ?) ?

Thanks

K

KoolKid

Heard something in passing today not sure if its true.
Perhaps Altor would be so kind to verify.
Has there been a price increase already to the annual subscription?

altor

karltimber wrote: »

I have a HKC 1070 self installed.
I will probably go with the HKC app (I Know !).

So, how do I go about getting a Reg-installer to install the app ?
Will I still have full access to my alarm post install (eng code ?) ?

Thanks

K

You can do all this yourself.
Go to here to register an account and get your ID.
Down power system, plug in GSM-SC.
Power back up and go to comms menu, communications.
Scroll to GSM, press yes to enable.
Enter id and a code you will need to set up the app on the phone.
It will scan the networks and chose the best one available and then that its set up.
Go to app, add site. Enter id and the code you set up.
Save and that it.
Use your user code to get into the app once set up.

altor

Mod edit.

Lads its been great. Please don't kick thinks off again.

Thanks

altor

Scaremongering if you ask me..

KoolKid

No, just asking a question.

altor

KoolKid wrote: »

No, just asking a question.

Whatever...

dev999

I just had my doors &widows replaced now my hkc alarm won't work any ideas. ?

KoolKid

Probably a connection problem or a device misaligned. What message is displaying when you try to set the alarm?

dev999

Just telling me zones are open , hopefully something simple

KoolKid

Just the one zone or zones??

Redriddick

Just a quick update.
Got a quote for the hkc 1070,panel,gsm and new battery €575.
Think I will price the siemens and risco.
Are these hard to setup.I am fairly handy at electronics!!!

altor

Redriddick wrote: »

Just a quick update.
Got a quote for the hkc 1070,panel,gsm and new battery €575.
Think I will price the siemens and risco.
Are these hard to setup.I am fairly handy at electronics!!!

All are easy to set up.

KoolKid

Got an email from HKC today here are those price changes I referred to.

The standard plan will be Eur 4.99 p/month and there are 3 additional plans for Eur 8.99, Eur 10.99 and Eur 17.99 per month respectively. Above figures include vat.

Some of them seem steep but they didn't say what's included. I find it hard to imagine any alarm using €10.99 - €17.99 worth of calls and data a month.

Evolution1

Thats very very interesting. Can you send on that email ? ?

John Kelly of

Commercial Options

Standard - €10.99 per month (Incl. VAT)
Managed World SIM
Unlimited App control + notifications
SMS control + notifications, fair usage limit 100 messages per month
(* Alarm activations only)
Monitoring to central station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity reported to central station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity to site detected within 20 minutes

Premium - €17.99 per month (Incl. VAT)
Managed World SIM
Unlimited App control + notifications
SMS control + notifications, fair usage limit 200 messages per month
(* Alarm activations only)
Voice notifications
Monitoring to central station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity reported to central station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity to site detected within 10 min

John Kelly of

Residential Options

Standard - €4.99 per month (Incl. VAT)
Managed World SIM
Unlimited App control + notifications
SMS control + notifications, fair usage limit 50 messages per month
(* Alarm activations only)
Monitoring to Central Station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity to site detected within 8 hours

Premium - €8.99 per month (Incl. VAT)
Managed World SIM
Unlimited App control + notifications
SMS control + notifications, fair usage limit 100 messages per month
(* Alarm activations only)
Voice dialler notifications
Monitoring to Central Station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity reported to central station
(GSM-SC Only)
Loss of connectivity to site detected within 90 min

KoolKid

When you say monitoring to central station does this include all monitoring fees or just the connection? Ie do you pay the monitoring stations fees on top of HKCs?