787s in DUB and other sundry B787 discussion Thread

Lockheed

I read some articles on the internet about Ethiopian and Ethiad opening up Dublin routes with the 787. I cannot post URLs as I am new, but the articles are easy enough to find. More to the point, is this true? Will the dreamliner open a scheduled flight to Dublin?

Tenger

From June this year Ethiopian Airlines are operating Addis Ababba-Dublin-Los Angeles with their B787.

Ethiad have stated that DUB will receive the B787 at some point.

man98

Lockheed wrote:

I read some articles on the internet about Ethiopian and Ethiad opening up Dublin routes with the 787. I cannot post URLs as I am new, but the articles are easy enough to find. More to the point, is this true? Will the dreamliner open a scheduled flight to Dublin?

It was announced some months ago now that Ethiopian are starting a 3 weekly service with a stopover on the 787, but I can't see anything else serving it either. Also some noise about Etihad considering the 787 for a daily flight instead of the A330.

Lockheed

Thanks for your quick replies. I can't wait to get a few shots of the Ethiopian.

Crumbs868

man98 wrote: »

It was announced some months ago now that Ethiopian are starting a 3 weekly service with a stopover on the 787, but I can't see anything else serving it either. Also some noise about Etihad considering the 787 for a daily flight instead of the A330.

Etihad cutting their 777 from Dublin route and going back to double daily in a 330. 787 would be an obvious fit if the cargo hold is big enough

Zonda999

Crumbs868 wrote: »

Etihad cutting their 777 from Dublin route and going back to double daily in a 330. 787 would be an obvious fit if the cargo hold is big enough

Didn't know that but not entirely surprising I would think. I imagine many would prefer the A330 rather than a 10 abreast 777 anyway. When was this announced?

Zonda999

Zonda999 wrote: »

Didn't know that but not entirely surprising I would think. I imagine many would prefer the A330 rather than a 10 abreast 777 anyway. When was this announced?

I noticed it a few months ago and asked back then, it wasn't announced.

Tenger

Zonda999 wrote: »

Didn't know that but not entirely surprising I would think. I imagine many would prefer the A330 rather than a 10 abreast 777 anyway. When was this announced?

Generally airlines don't announce a downguage on a route...but they are very happy to cry from the rooftops about an upguage!!

FuzzyDunlop100

Tenger wrote: »

Generally airlines don't announce a downguage on a route...but they are very happy to cry from the rooftops about an upguage!!

Sorry to hear that, but 3 daily 777's plus a 330 from Dublin to Dubai/Abu Dhabi is a lot of seats to fill (granted it's the cargo on the route that's the real success I believe).

beer enigma

As Ethiopian are a new airline to Dub, especially given they are operating 787's, will they need any test flights in or is that all pre programmed into them ? - also, any changes needed for air bridges ?

Tenger

I doubt test flights are required, the B787 is approx the same size as a B767. So no new special procedures would be needed. Probably some new equipment for the ground handling company required.....

poteen

Qatar Airways have long been rumoured to be opening a Dublin route to Doha but waiting for the new airport in Doha to open (now open) and the shortage of aircraft are the supposed delay in announcing a route. They are to take delivery of additional 787's. They currently run a 787 on their Edinburgh route so likely we will get similar for Dublin.

Lockheed

poteen wrote: »

Qatar Airways have long been rumoured to be opening a Dublin route to Doha but waiting for the new airport in Doha to open (now open) and the shortage of aircraft are the supposed delay in announcing a route. They are to take delivery of additional 787's. They currently run a 787 on their Edinburgh route so likely we will get similar for Dublin.

That's exciting. I hope Qatar do open a route to Dublin.

Zonda999

Will be interesting to see if they eventually do join the other 2 of the ME3 at Dublin. With Etihad downgauging though clearly there is a limit to the amount of capacity the market can endure. Remember as well in Scotland, Emirates only serve Glasgow and Qatar only serve Edinburgh. Etihad are starting Edinburgh later this year too.

Tenger

Lockheed wrote: »

That's exciting. I hope Qatar do open a route to Dublin.

Personally I think EK and EY have the route sewn up between them.

Bussywussy

Tenger wrote: »

I doubt test flights are required, the B787 is approx the same size as a B767. So no new special procedures would be needed. Probably some new equipment for the ground handling company required.....

probably along with using both ground power outputs on the 400 Stands airbridges or combo of GPU/Air bridge,thirsty on the electron juice

poteen

Tenger wrote: »

Personally I think EK and EY have the route sewn up between them.

Maybe this is true but maybe a 3 flight weekly service might be an option for them. Another interesting point to note is the stake Qatar Airways have now got in IAG which we have heard alot about recently in relation to Aer Lingus. And as Ive said a few times before on thsi forum, I do think there is an opening for some scale of a middle east route a few times weekly from Shannon.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/30/us-iag-m-a-qatar-idUSKBN0L30HD20150130

Furp

Selfishly it would be great if they did I have been to Doha four times in the last few months, I have tried these routes.

DUB-AMS-DOH
DUB-ZRH-DOH
DUB-MAN-DOH
DUB-LHR-DOH

The QR 787s are very nice although like many the entertainment box under the seat can be awkward, the larger windows are great, and if you get a seat further back they don't line up with the windows too well, got to see lots of The Alps from the air tho, the Airbus 380 is also a very quite experience compared to 747s.

Tenger

Furp wrote: »

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The QR 787s are very nice although like many the entertainment box under the seat can be awkward, the larger windows are great,.....

Odd that they went that way with a new aircraft. There are current IFE systems that don't have boxes under seat. (The EI B757 system for example)

Furp

Tenger wrote: »

Odd that they went that way with a new aircraft. There are current IFE systems that don't have boxes under seat. (The EI B757 system for example)

Yeah I thought that too the systems look the same in the 787 and 380 but the 380 does not have the floor mounted boxes.

Idbatterim

I take it that the 380 is more comfortable, quieter, better flying experience than the 787?

Furp

Idbatterim wrote: »

I take it that the 380 is more comfortable, quieter, better flying experience than the 787?

It is significantly quieter compared to others, but I think the 787 was quirer than older jets too, I need to fly on the two some more to compare.

arubex

The BA A380s have under-seat IFE boxes, except for the Mystery of 25D...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/businesstraveller/9206833595/in/set-72157634487851062

homerjay2005

booked my first flight on a 380 this week, Lufthansa frankfurt to US...cant f*cking wait....im as excited about the flight as i am for the holiday!

Furp

arubex wrote: »

The BA A380s have under-seat IFE boxes, except for the Mystery of 25D...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/businesstraveller/9206833595/in/set-72157634487851062

These are the Qatar ones on the 787 they seem to be more obtrusive I had a window seat kept thinking of had put it in middle I could put a foot either side.

Furp

homerjay2005 wrote: »

booked my first flight on a 380 this week, Lufthansa frankfurt to US...cant f*cking wait....im as excited about the flight as i am for the holiday!

When you fly on the newer aircraft they are much more comfortable then Aer Lingus jets in fact the EI planes feel really dated to me now and noisy.

Aircraft Freak

Furp wrote: »

When you fly on the newer aircraft they are much more comfortable then Aer Lingus jets in fact the EI planes feel really dated to me now and noisy.

Particularly the A321's they're noisy buggers in the cabin.

I must say, DVM is a very quiet aircraft, I travelled on her after she was delivered, some difference between that aircraft and CPH, which I travelled on the following week. A320 DVM, A321 CPH

man98

Still can't be as loud as the 747-100 I imagine

Aircraft Freak

man98 wrote: »

Still can't be as loud as the 747-100 I imagine

Seriously underpowered aircraft, used to pass my house in the 80's in tallaght at about 3,000, never see that again

Tenger

Furp wrote: »

When you fly on the newer aircraft they are much more comfortable then Aer Lingus jets in fact the EI planes feel really dated to me now and noisy.

Funny how the Tiger generation view things....back in my day we had the 20 yr old BAC-111's and the B737-200's.

billie1b

Tenger wrote: »

B737-200's.

One of my favourite aircrafts, bullet proof so they were

Tropheus

Tenger wrote: »

Funny how the Tiger generation view things....back in my day we had the 20 yr old BAC-111's and the B737-200's.

And we're still around to tell the tale.

man98

Tropheus wrote:

And we're still around to tell the tale.

Speak for yourself
Never got the chance to fly any of the greats which used dominate the Irish market... I'm talking the 737NG generation.

Aircraft Freak

man98 wrote: »

Speak for yourself
Never got the chance to fly any of the greats which used dominate the Irish market... I'm talking the 737NG generation.

Sitting right at the back of a BAC-111 was an event when the throttles were opened, man there was some screech from those engines. I was on a 732 back in 1997 and there was a terrible hissing noise from the bottom of the cabin door during the flight, the air hostess calmly put a wet towel at the base of the door to stop it.

You would never see that either these days.

billie1b

Aircraft Freak wrote: »

Sitting right at the back of a BAC-111 was an event when the throttles were opened, man there was some screech from those engines. I was on a 732 back in 1997 and there was a terrible hissing noise from the bottom of the cabin door during the flight, the air hostess calmly put a wet towel at the base of the door to stop it.

You would never see that either these days.

Ah the aul 732's, nothing better, the noise of the reverse thrusters was brilliant, feels like you're in a proper mechanical machine.
Ive been on a couple of Avro's that had a near 1 inch gap in the bottom of the door to the sill, the pilots and cabin crew said its quites normal on the 146's

donvito99

Or getting on Alitalia or SAS MDs and finding your sitting right down the back with windows blocked by the engines. The noise, oh the noise.

And you got out the arse of it afterward.

IsaacWunder

Does anyone know if the Ethiopian Airlines 787s were built in Washington or South Carolina?

Aircraft Freak

billie1b wrote: »

Ah the aul 732's, nothing better, the noise of the reverse thrusters was brilliant, feels like you're in a proper mechanical machine.
Ive been on a couple of Avro's that had a near 1 inch gap in the bottom of the door to the sill, the pilots and cabin crew said its quites normal on the 146's

Never knew that about the Avro's, I've never been on one, bit scary though, a 1 inch gap, did they plug it with a towel, or just leave it hissing away?

billie1b

Aircraft Freak wrote: »

Never knew that about the Avro's, I've never been on one, bit scary though, a 1 inch gap, did they plug it with a towel, or just leave it hissing away?

It was just left as it was, I remember saying it to a pilot who flies the 738's now, he flew for Cityjet before then and he said 'it'd be a regular occurrence to go down the back galley and on a clear day and you could see out the gap on some of them', crazy if its true about the gap being that big. The 2 I was on with the small gaps were both Air France

Tenger

IsaacWunder wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Ethiopian Airlines 787s were built in Washington or South Carolina?

Didn't realise the Charleston facility was operational already.

L1011

Tenger wrote: »

Didn't realise the Charleston facility was operational already.

It is, and has a reputation - not solidly proven - for not being very good.

arubex

IsaacWunder wrote: »

Does anyone know if the Ethiopian Airlines 787s were built in Washington or South Carolina?

ET-AOU and V were assembled in Charleston.

O / P / Q / R / S / T in Everett.

Oh I forgot about ET-ARE and F, also Charleston.

Aircraft Freak

Tenger wrote: »

Didn't realise the Charleston facility was operational already.

It was covered in the aljazeera documentary, they primarily assemble 787's under contract from Boeing with less than favourable and badly paid workers that don't give a fiddlers.

The 777x will be assembled and built there.

L1011

Aircraft Freak wrote: »

It was covered in the aljazeera documentary, they primarily assemble 787's under contract from Boeing with less than favourable and badly paid workers that don't give a fiddlers.

The 777x will be assembled and built there.

This was the original plan but Boeing bought the entire operation out in 2009 or so.

They claim "Boeing South Carolina is only the third site in the world to assemble and deliver twin-aisle commercial airplanes.", rather ignoring Long Beach, Palmdale, and wherever Ilyushin have built aircraft...

Aircraft Freak

L1011 wrote: »

This was the original plan but Boeing bought the entire operation out in 2009 or so.

They claim "Boeing South Carolina is only the third site in the world to assemble and deliver twin-aisle commercial airplanes.", rather ignoring Long Beach, Palmdale, and wherever Ilyushin have built aircraft...

Boeing operate the site and you're right, they bought it, but not the employees, they are low paid contracted an a third of the pay scale of the Washington plant.

L1011

Aircraft Freak wrote: »

Boeing operate the site and you're right, they bought it, but not the employees, they are low paid contracted an a third of the pay scale of the Washington plant.

Thee SC workers work for Boeing as much as the Washington ones do - but they're paid SC wages, which are crap; and have SC workers rights - which basically don't exist. So yes, they're contracted and can be dumped at will.

Airbus have gone for the same with the new Mobile Alabama plant - however, due to the FAA rules that the country of final assembly needs to be printed on the safety card*, there's a lineup of airlines that are fighting over getting the output from Mobile whereas Boeing suffer airlines trying to refuse Charleston birds.


*leading to some people getting fairly perturbed on the few Chinese knockdown built MD80/90s that are with AA and Delta.

Aircraft Freak

L1011 wrote: »

Thee SC workers work for Boeing as much as the Washington ones do - but they're paid SC wages, which are crap; and have SC workers rights - which basically don't exist. So yes, they're contracted and can be dumped at will.

Airbus have gone for the same with the new Mobile Alabama plant - however, due to the FAA rules that the country of final assembly needs to be printed on the safety card*, there's a lineup of airlines that are fighting over getting the output from Mobile whereas Boeing suffer airlines trying to refuse Charleston birds.


*leading to some people getting fairly perturbed on the few Chinese knockdown built MD80/90s that are with AA and Delta.

At least airbus in Europe is a multifunded venture between governments so the skill and core labour force (Airbus emloyees) are paid well, although I did work with a contracted design engineer in 2001 that had just quit, he was part of a team designing the A380 wings and his contract boss ran off with the money.

Lockheed

Will I just change the title and make this the 787 megathread?

homerjay2005

When is the Ethopian 787 due to start arriving?

Lockheed

homerjay2005 wrote: »

When is the Ethopian 787 due to start arriving?

June 29 but will be in for a pres event om march 29 AFAIK

Kenny2012

Lockheed wrote: »

June 29 but will be in for a pres event om march 29 AFAIK

Ethiopian 787 is due in on 20th March and according to a posting in the Dublin Airport Spotter section it is
Due at 1325 and back out at 1630