WrestleMania 31 Pre Show Thread March 29 2015 *Potential Spoilers*

Ageyev

Dave Meltzer confirmed on his podcast yesterday that Daniel Bryan v Dolph Ziggler is a lock for Mania. The plan had been Sheamus but Bryan requested Ziggler.

Looper007

Ageyev wrote: »

Dave Meltzer confirmed on his podcast yesterday that Daniel Bryan v Dolph Ziggler is a lock for Mania. The plan had been Sheamus but Bryan requested Ziggler.

"Dammit throw are most popular guy and 3rd most popular guy into the first match on WM 31, it might shut them up booing the rest of the show"

Bryan and Ziggler all they are getting is more then 15 minutes. They will be told to not over do things so they won't overshadow the son in law and golden boy. This is just throwing a bone to the fans they know will boo the hell out of Reigns/Lesnar. This won't get any build maybe a little on Smackdown. But don't be surprised this is on First and they won't get more then 10 minutes. Disgraceful in my view they had no serious plans for their most popular wrestler.

Kolido

When did the Bryan / Ziggler story line start or did it start yet. I heard something about tweets but did anything take place on screen yet?

Nody

Looper007 wrote: »

"Dammit throw are most popular guy and 3rd most popular guy into the first match on WM 31, it might shut them up booing the rest of the show"

Bryan and Ziggler all they are getting is more then 15 minutes. They will be told to not over do things so they won't overshadow the son in law and golden boy. This is just throwing a bone to the fans they know will boo the hell out of Reigns/Lesnar. This won't get any build maybe a little on Smackdown. But don't be surprised this is on First and they won't get more then 10 minutes. Disgraceful in my view they had no serious plans for their most popular wrestler.

And they will go out there to steal the show as a middle finger salute to the booking department (one of the few reasons for Bryan to ask for Ziggler after all)...

Jerichoholic

They had better add something decent to Mania, so far it looks really weak.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Nody wrote: »

And they will go out there to steal the show as a middle finger salute to the booking department (one of the few reasons for Bryan to ask for Ziggler after all)...

I can see them putting this on the pre show just Incase as they know not as many people will watch it

x43r0

MrMac84 wrote: »

I can see them putting this on the pre show just Incase as they know not as many people will watch it

There is no chance in hell that they're putting Daniel Bryan on the pre-show

Concannon7

Some of ye guys make it seem like the WWE hate Bryan. While his booking hasn't always been great he wouldn't be three time WWE champion if that were the case.

No way will Bryan be wrestling on the pre show. No way are they only giving Bryan a quick match to keep fans happy. That's crazy talk. While the WWE are insistent on making Reigns a big star that does not mean they have no time for Bryan. He is a big part of their plans. Granted he should have won the Rumble in my view, but please don't exaggerate the backstage views on Bryan.

Looper007

Galway_mad_bhoy wrote: »

Some of ye guys make it seem like the WWE hate Bryan. While his booking hasn't always been great he wouldn't be three time WWE champion if that were the case.

No way will Bryan be wrestling on the pre show. No way are they only giving Bryan a quick match to keep fans happy. That's crazy talk. While the WWE are insistent on making Reigns a big star that does not mean they have no time for Bryan. He is a big part of their plans. Granted he should have won the Rumble in my view, but please don't exaggerate the backstage views on Bryan.

They only gave him his first WWE title so Cena wouldn't have been the one they buried. His third WWE reign was only given to him cause the fans would have ****ted on anything else.

Well they don't come across like they love him either Galway. Come on now. Yeah they wouldn't be that bloody stupid to throw him on the pre show but they ain't that smart either that they will throw him on the opening match for a 10 minute match just so they get him out of the way.

The fact he isn't even in the top 5 matches rumoured at the moment for WM 31. Just blows you're views out of the water.

Lesnar/Reigns
HHH/Sting
Cena/Rusev
Rollins/Orton
Taker/Wyatt

The most popular superstar isn't even in the top 5 matches is not showing love from WWE for me. The fact they wanted to throw him Sheamus for the third time at WM doesn't show love or they had any plans set for him. I don't think they respect anywhere the way they should (the RR moment this year showed that).

Looper007

Nody wrote: »

And they will go out there to steal the show as a middle finger salute to the booking department (one of the few reasons for Bryan to ask for Ziggler after all)...

That's if it gets the time it deserves and the build too. I'm just very anti-WWE when it comes to Bryan's booking right now. This match should get 25 minutes and a proper good build up, two of the most respected and liked guys with the fans. But I'm thinking it be opening match, with average build up and 10 minutes just so they won't overshadow the rest of the card.

The WM 31 card is looking very disappointing

A Brad Maddox Guy

Looper007 wrote: »

They only gave him his first WWE title so Cena wouldn't have been the one they buried. His third WWE reign was only given to him cause the fans would have ****ted on anything else.

I agree with the rest in that it's ridiculous Daniel Bryan doesn't have a proper program for WrestleMania but lets not lose ourselves here. Bryan went over Cena clean as a whistle at Summerslam. I can only think of two other people to do that since Cena became the guy and that's The Rock & Brock Lesnar. To trivialise this as him only winning to avoid burying Cena is nothing short of ridiculous. Especially since Bryan never got buried in that feud and Orton put him over mutliple times.

Concannon7

Looper007 wrote: »

They only gave him his first WWE title so Cena wouldn't have been the one they buried. His third WWE reign was only given to him cause the fans would have ****ted on anything else.

Well they don't come across like they love him either Galway. Come on now. Yeah they wouldn't be that bloody stupid to throw him on the pre show but they ain't that smart either that they will throw him on the opening match for a 10 minute match just so they get him out of the way.

The fact he isn't even in the top 5 matches rumoured at the moment for WM 31. Just blows you're views out of the water.

Lesnar/Reigns
HHH/Sting
Cena/Rusev
Rollins/Orton
Taker/Wyatt

The most popular superstar isn't even in the top 5 matches is not showing love from WWE for me. The fact they wanted to throw him Sheamus for the third time at WM doesn't show love or they had any plans set for him. I don't think they respect anywhere the way they should (the RR moment this year showed that).

I don't disagree that he should have a bigger match at Wrestlemania. All I'm saying is people here talking about WWE throwing him on the preshow and all that crap are seriously going overboard.

Also your comments on why they gave him his first title make no sense. If that were the case they would have had Orton or someone else go over Cena with Triple Hs help. They didn't. They had Bryan go over fairly cleanly.

Rjd2

A Brad Maddox Guy wrote: »

I agree with the rest in that it's ridiculous Daniel Bryan doesn't have a proper program for WrestleMania but lets not lose ourselves here. Bryan went over Cena clean as a whistle at Summerslam. I can only think of two other people to do that since Cena became the guy and that's The Rock & Brock Lesnar. To trivialise this as him only winning to avoid burying Cena is nothing short of ridiculous. Especially since Bryan never got buried in that feud and Orton put him over mutliple times.

He also pinned Trips clean at Mania despite interference from Steph and pinned Batista later that night despite Trips interfering again.

Think he was the first to beat the Shield as well wasn't he?

gimmick

Posts moved from news thread.

I know it is early and that but the only show in town for the next 50 or so days will be WM talk, so rather than clogging the news thread, I said I would move posts and start its own thread.

Moneymaker

So the card is...

Reigns vs Lesnar(ughhhhhhh)

Cena vs Rusev(CENAWINSLOL)

Ziggler vs DB(will be awesome but both guys deserve a higher spot)

HHH vs Sting

Rollins vs Orton

Cody vs Goldust?(subtle hints this may happen)

Miz vs Sandow

gerrybbadd

And after Rusev is beaten by Cena (no doubt, recreating how Cena beat Umaga), he will go on to be an "Every Big Man Ever®™" and start losing to everyone. Slide further down the card, and eventually be released in about 12 months time

Moneymaker

gerrybbadd wrote: »

And after Rusev is beaten by Cena (no doubt, recreating how Cena beat Umaga), he will go on to be an "Every Big Man Ever®™" and start losing to everyone. Slide further down the card, and eventually be released in about 12 months time

Difference between Rusev and most of those other guys is Rusev is genuinely talented. I think he'll be fine.

gerrybbadd

Moneymaker wrote: »

Difference between Rusev and most of those other guys is Rusev is genuinely talented. I think he'll be fine.

Ya, i hated him at first, but he's kinda grown on me. (Lana helps matters). However, I fear the scenario laid out seems to happen to every big guy eventually (WWE haven't a clue of how to handle a big man long term)

Rjd2

Moneymaker wrote: »

Difference between Rusev and most of those other guys is Rusev is genuinely talented. I think he'll be fine.

Umaga who was awesome hung around for a few years and was really good until his tragic death. His feud with Jeff to name just one was fantastic, he was good enough not to lose his heat after losing. The booking is obviously key, but if Umaga was able to keep his heat, no reason for Rusev to be doomed.

I don't think its an absolute cert that Cena will beat Rusev, wouldn't be totally shocked if they let Rusev win and decide to feed him to Reigns for the summer.

Concannon7

Dump the dumb Russian gimmick and Rusev will be fine. He can certainly go in the ring. He's talanted.

Super-Rush

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Ya, i hated him at first, but he's kinda grown on me. (Lana helps matters). However, I fear the scenario laid out seems to happen to every big guy eventually (WWE haven't a clue of how to handle a big man long term)

Which makes no sense really seeing as Vince has such a hard on for the big guys.

DM_7

Umaga had some wellness that must have played a role in his position a lititle down the card.

Others were built up in knowledge it was a short term thing and to provide new opponents for likes of Cena.

I don't get that vibe from Rusev. I don't get main event, top talent vibe either. Looks like a B PPV main eventer.

gerrybbadd

Rjd2 wrote: »

Umaga who was awesome

He was awesome. I think the best big man in a long, long time. But he was never the same after Cena beat him.

Looper007

The rumoured card for WM 31 is pretty damn underwhelming right now. Only really matches I could see Two matches been of any use (and one of them won't get any time at all imo)

Lesnar/Reigns- if Lesnar pulls a great match out of Reigns, he deserve a knighthood. I can see this match been planned out down to a tee behind the scenes seen as on Austin podcast neither men can call matches. Unless this is out and out classic the crowd will be very pro Lesnar.

Sting/HHH- This is going to be awful. If its a straight up wrestling match, Sting can't go anymore and hasn't been able too since the late 90's. HHH will be doing well to carry him. I could see a lot of Vince Russo style booking for this. Keep it short and sweet (20 mins) and it could be a decent WM match.

Cena/Rusev- I can't see this been more then a good solid match. The fans will be pro Rusev of course but Cena can sometimes up his game.

Taker/Wyatt- This won't be great. Taker looks broke down and Wyatt hasn't impressed me outside of been in the ring with Daniel Bryan. Like the Sting/HHH match keep it short and sweet, sure Taker's walk to the ring takes up 20 minutes alone so keep the match to 15 minutes and they might get a good match out of it.

Orton/Rollins- This has potential like Ziggler/Bryan to steal the show, if given the time. Rollins is on a roll and Orton is great on his day.

Bryan/Ziggler- Could be match of the night but sadly I doubt it get the time it deserves. It just seems like a random match to please the pro Bryan/Ziggler fanbases. Still find it insulting it won't be higher up the card . I'm praying its given at least 25 minutes.

Diva match
Battle Royale
Tag Match

I think it should be enough for a stacked card.

What does everyone think of the rumoured matches (well Reigns/Lesnar and Sting/HHH are set in stone) so far?

rossie1977

Looper007 wrote: »

The most popular superstar isn't even in the top 5 matches is not showing love from WWE for me.

the most popular wrestler in wwe is cena by a long way still. cena is still well ahead in terms of every metric that matters to wwe (quarter hour ratings gains, merch sales, ticket sales, social media followers)

speaking of cena not sure what wwe are doing with him for mania considering rusev and cena is taking place at fast lane. they could possibly have a rematch at mania or they could make it a tag match cena and hogan vs rusev and someone. personally i think they are really not using cena to the best of his abilities either, when you think new japan have no issues having tana mainevent his 8th tokyo dome show since 2005 and wwe have cena in the midcard two years in a row at mania..

Looper007

rossie1977 wrote: »

the most popular wrestler in wwe is cena by a long way still. cena is still well ahead in terms of every metric that matters to wwe (quarter hour ratings gains, merch sales, ticket sales, social media followers)

Well he's has been on top for what 10 years now. But Bryan is over with the crowd. does good ratings too and sells merch without the full support of his boss.

Moneymaker

gerrybbadd wrote: »

He was awesome. I think the best big man in a long, long time. But he was never the same after Cena beat him.

Umaga was the ****. Loved the sight of him no selling chair shot after chair shot. Proper monster heel and he could move for a big lad too.

JP Liz V1

Kolido wrote: »

When did the Bryan / Ziggler story line start or did it start yet. I heard something about tweets but did anything take place on screen yet?

Nothing on screen yet


I assume Ziggler will be turning heel

Rjd2

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I assume Ziggler will be turning heel

Took them forever to get him over as a face, hope they don't tbh.

Moneymaker

It will be babyface vs babyface.

Ageyev

Moneymaker wrote: »

So the card is...

Reigns vs Lesnar(ughhhhhhh)

Cena vs Rusev(CENAWINSLOL)

Ziggler vs DB(will be awesome but both guys deserve a higher spot)

HHH vs Sting

Rollins vs Orton

Cody vs Goldust?(subtle hints this may happen)

Miz vs Sandow

Looks like too many singles matches. Need to get your six-man tag in there and a four-way tag and a poorly booked and poorly promoted women's match.

gnfnrhead

The worst thing about all this isn't the fact that Bryan is being thrown into a nothing match, it's the fact that Dean Ambrose will likely be in a Battle Royal of some sort just to give him something to do. Don't know how WWE plan out their shows that they end up with guys like him being left standing there asking who is he facing.

Moneymaker

gnfnrhead wrote: »

The worst thing about all this isn't the fact that Bryan is being thrown into a nothing match, it's the fact that Dean Ambrose will likely be in a Battle Royal of some sort just to give him something to do. Don't know how WWE plan out their shows that they end up with guys like him being left standing there asking who is he facing.

Seemed to me like they are setting up Barrett vs Ambrose, unless they do it at Fast Lane. Give them 10-15 mins and you'd get a great brawl imo.

gnfnrhead

Moneymaker wrote: »

Seemed to me like they are setting up Barrett vs Ambrose, unless they do it at Fast Lane. Give them 10-15 mins and you'd get a great brawl imo.

Pretty sure the report about Bryan and Ziggler also said it would be sixth from the top. Throw in the Divas and the Battle Royal and that's eight matches without any tags. I can't see them throwing the only tag on the preshow which means Ambrose is either wasted in the Battle Royal, or even worse is stuck on the preshow. Had Bryan not asked for Ziggler, Ziggler would have been in the same boat. Baffling how they can treat people like that as an afterthought.

Moneymaker

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Pretty sure the report about Bryan and Ziggler also said it would be sixth from the top. Throw in the Divas and the Battle Royal and that's eight matches without any tags. I can't see them throwing the only tag on the preshow which means Ambrose is either wasted in the Battle Royal, or even worse is stuck on the preshow. Had Bryan not asked for Ziggler, Ziggler would have been in the same boat. Baffling how they can treat people like that as an afterthought.

Don't believe everything you read though. Some of the stuff is pretty concrete sure but they change plans all the time.

Wait and see :pac::pac::pac:

D.Q

Ah lads, Bryan and brock would be so so ****ing good. Such a shame.

ricero

whos winning between taker and wyatt ?

QikBax

ricero wrote: »

whos winning between taker and wyatt ?

The fans......

veganrun

It won't happen at Mania but I'd love to see Lesnar steamroll through Rollins and Orton. I know Orton isn't back on TV yet but for some reason I want to see Lesnar hammer him.

Gavster1982

One way Vince can appease the Yes movement. Make the expected Ziggler Bryan match a number one contenders match. Bryan wins naturally and sets up Summerslam against Reigns.

WHC reigns vs Lesnar reigns wins title
Rollins vs orton, orton wins and wins briefcase
Rybavk vs Rusev Ryback wins us title?
Wyatt vs taker?
Bryan vs Ziggler, Bryan wins
Ascension beat uses and mizdow for tag titles
Cena vs Sheamus

Diabhal Beag

I think the match between Wyatt and Taker wouldn't be horrible but the promos before sure will be. Taker should be done though. No need to come back to face Wyatt especially now the streak is done.

Ageyev

Dave Meltzer on his Wrestling Observer podcast said that the plan for Mania at the minute is

a three-way with Lesnar/Bryan/Reigns

Loughc

Ageyev wrote: »

Dave Meltzer on his Wrestling Observer podcast said that the plan for Mania at the minute is

a three-way with Lesnar/Bryan/Reigns

Reignswinslolz

Looper007

Loughc wrote: »

Reignswinslolz

Of course but with Bryan, you will have the fans interested and you will get a classic. Plus Bryan calling the match is best for business. Everyone gets their thing, the fans get Bryan/Lesnar in the ring, WWE get the belt on Reigns, and Rollins cashing in on Reigns. The match has potential of been a classic now, it would be a perfect ending.

Loughc

Looper007 wrote: »

Of course but with Bryan, you will have the fans interested and you will get a classic. Plus Bryan calling the match is best for business. Everyone gets their thing, the fans get Bryan/Lesnar in the ring, WWE get the belt on Reigns, and Rollins cashing in on Reigns. The match has potential of been a classic now, it would be a perfect ending.

I can't see Rollins cashing in on Reigns at WM. Perhaps the next night on Raw and even then if WWE plan on making reigns champ I firmly expect him to beat Rollins when he cashes in.

I can imagine Rollins at the gorilla position holding the briefcase waiting to cash in while having Vince scream at him make Reigns look strong out there!!!

rovert

The countdown starts:



Confirmed sofar

WWE World Heavyweight Title Match: Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns
* Sting vs. Triple H

If Lesnar vs Reigns goes last and pending a great hype job where does it ranking in terms of the weakest Wrestlemania main event?

ricero

shocking to think daniel bryan the star of last years mania doesn't even have an opponent or decent feud yet going into mania

Loughc

ricero wrote: »

shocking to think daniel bryan the star of last years mania doesn't even have an opponent or decent feud yet going into mania

Not overly shocking when you think the original plans for WM last year was for Orton-Batista Main Event, Vince never wanted him in the main event and after being out for so long with injury he will feel justified keeping him away from the Main Event at WM and the WWE title from now on.

Moneymaker

Roman Reigns is having his 3rd singles match on PPV at the biggest show of the year...against arguably the most dominant champion ever and the conqueror of the streak.

****. Me.

Loughc

Moneymaker wrote: »

Roman Reigns is having his 3rd singles match on PPV at the biggest show of the year...against arguably the most dominant champion ever and the conqueror of the streak.

****. Me.

And the fact he's going to go over Lesnar with most likely a bit of ease will make this so hard to swallow.

Moneymaker

Nah, it's going to be hilarious to watch the crowd dump all over it.

The mics will be muted the entire match. Even at that graveyard last night they muted the mics.

Save Us Seth.