MVP 2015

ScummyMan

Announced tonight, who do we fancy? Two horse race really, I'd go for Rodgers myself, just. 9 home games without a pick is simply outrageous, but there's no reason that JJ Watt doesn't deserve it either. Perhaps a split MVP?

mikemac1

CJ Mosley to win defensive rookie of the year

Sorry for the hijack

NotASheeple

Tony Romo and no Tom Brady? OP has to be taking the piss. But if anyone won this meaningless award hands down this season, it has to be JJ Watt.

ScummyMan

NotASheeple wrote: »

Tony Romo and no Tom Brady? OP has to be taking the piss. But if anyone won this meaningless award hands down this season, it has to be JJ Watt.

This hasn't been one of Brady's better years, whatever you think of Romo he was absolutely excellent, especially in regular season. For what it's worth latest bookie odds are Rodgers 1/2, Watt 5/1, Romo 20/1 and Brady 45/1.

Really though they're just making up the numbers for the first two.

matthew8

Rodgers for me he was exceptional. If it was called player of the year it's Watt hands down. Romo was really impressive visually and statistically and had a big positive impact on his team but I'd give Rodgers the nod because he had a similar standard of play while being asked to do a lot more by his team.

NotASheeple

ScummyMan wrote: »

This hasn't been one of Brady's better years,

He's had a great season and came through a savage schedule. The Ravens game was probably one of the best playoff games I've ever seen. Brady broke more NFL postseason records, including the one for overcoming the biggest points deficit in a playoff game twice that night. And you think it hasn't been one of his better season? Now I know you have to be taking the piss.

I am a Packers fan btw and afaic, there is no competition for this meaningless MVP competition. Rodgers, Brady, Romo, none of them come close to taking the MVP from Watt imo.

j8wk2feszrnpao

ScummyMan wrote: »

whatever you think of Romo he was absolutely excellent

He was excellent, for Tony Romo. No where near MVP.

NotYourYear20

NotASheeple wrote: »

I am a Packers fan btw and afaic, there is no competition for this meaningless MVP competition. Rodgers, Brady, Romo, none of them come close to taking the MVP from Watt imo.

The only defensive and offensive weapon here is Watt. A unique specimen, he should walk it imo.

Itssoeasy

Watt Should win it if there is any justice and the award is true to what it stands for MostValublePlayer.

ScummyMan

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Watt Should win it if there is any justice and the award is true to what it stands for MostValublePlayer.

See this is the problem I have with calling the award Most Valuable Player. Can you honestly say that with the season Rodgers had he was less valuable than a DE on a team that missed the playoffs?

matthew8

NotASheeple wrote: »

He's had a great season and came through a savage schedule. The Ravens game was probably one of the best playoff games I've ever seen. Brady broke more NFL postseason records, including the one for overcoming the biggest points deficit in a playoff game twice that night. And you think it hasn't been one of his better season? Now I know you have to be taking the piss.

I am a Packers fan btw and afaic, there is no competition for this meaningless MVP competition. Rodgers, Brady, Romo, none of them come close to taking the MVP from Watt imo.

It's a regular season only award so for this award anything Brady did in the playoffs is irrelevant.

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He was excellent, for Tony Romo. No where near MVP.

Why not? Highest completion percentage, highest yards per attempt, 4th in TDs (while throwing far fewer interceptions than 2 of the players above him) highest passer rating, 12-3 as starter.

Vandango

matthew8 wrote: »

It's a regular season only award so for this award anything Brady did in the playoffs is irrelevant.

If you read the post again, you'll see that poster wasn't just talking about the playoffs. That much should have been obvious.


There should be no competition this year, Watt should be the clear winner.

matthew8

Vandango wrote: »

If you read the post again, you'll see that poster wasn't just talking about the playoffs. That much should have been obvious.


There should be no competition this year, Watt should be the clear winner.

And the part in bold I was singling out was just talking about the playoffs. That much should have been obvious.

Itssoeasy

ScummyMan wrote: »

See this is the problem I have with calling the award Most Valuable Player. Can you honestly say that with the season Rodgers had he was less valuable than a DE on a team that missed the playoffs?

JJ watt played both sides of the ball this season and was the best overal player on an nfl field this season IMO.

ScummyMan

Itssoeasy wrote: »

JJ watt played both sides of the ball this season and was the best overal player on an nfl field this season IMO.

I'm not arguing that he was the best overall player. But he wasn't the most valuable, and that's what the award is for. It's a passing league, and the days of a defensive player winning MVP are probably long gone. A team with Watt: Last year; 2-14, this year; 9-7. Both have the same players, but the difference? A QB and coach. Watt was not the Most Valuable Player. The most talented? Possibly. But the difference in the Texans didn't start and end with Watt, it started with a Quarterback. I would like Watt to win, but to be realistic, it's not happening.

Hazys

Aaron Rodgers by default but did he do anything to really separate himself from the pack? No.

raze_them_all_

Hazys wrote: »

Aaron Rodgers by default but did he do anything to really separate himself from the pack? No.

0 picks at home to 25 td's I believe??
With only 5 in the whole regular season??

I think watt is probably the most talented over all, but if you take watt out of the texans are they much worse off?? probably not, you take rodgers out of gb and we are competing with the raiders which makes him more valuable imo

Putin

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

0 picks at home to 25 td's I believe??
With only 5 in the whole regular season??

7-5 in the postseason needs a lot of improving on. Manning was 7-6 at the same point in his career. The similarity makes you wonder, if Manning now retires, will Rodgers take his mantle in being a great regular season QB and nothing special in the postseason?

Watt was my MVP, but the bias towards QBs continues in the annual pointless award.

raze_them_all_

Putin wrote: »

7-5 in the postseason needs a lot of improving on. Manning was 7-6 at the same point in his career. The similarity makes you wonder, if Manning now retires, will Rodgers take his mantle in being a great regular season QB and nothing special in the postseason?

Watt was my MVP, but the bias towards QBs continues in the annual pointless award.

You can hardly blame rodgers for the last loss to seahawks!

and once again the award is for regular season only

OldMrBrennan83

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bruschi

Rodgers wins with 31 votes to Watt's 13. Really surprised, or at least I should be, that there was that much in it. Pointless award. Should just rename it a QB award (with honourable notes to a running back once in a while) and be done with it.

adrian522

NotASheeple wrote: »

Brady broke more NFL postseason records, including the one for overcoming the biggest points deficit in a playoff game twice that night

I don't think the above is correct. I don't think the patriots were ever over 20 points down in that game.

SF had a comeback win against the giants from 24 points down.

Even luck had a bigger comeback win against the chiefs last year.

bruschi

adrian522 wrote: »

I don't think the above is correct. I don't think the patriots were ever over 20 points down in that game.

SF had a comeback win against the giants from 24 points down.

Even luck had a bigger comeback win against the chiefs last year.

yeah it was a Patriots comeback record, not an NFL one.

Vandango

adrian522 wrote: »

I don't think the above is correct.

I think this is the record the other poster was talking about...

Brady helped the Patriots become the first team in NFL history to twice come back from 14-point deficits to win a playoff game

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/2015/01/10/tom-brady-beats-joe-flacco/21579053/

j8wk2feszrnpao

matthew8 wrote: »

Why not?

Because he wasn't even the MVP of the Cowboys.

Paully D

bruschi wrote: »

Rodgers wins with 31 votes to Watt's 13. Really surprised, or at least I should be, that there was that much in it. Pointless award. Should just rename it a QB award (with honourable notes to a running back once in a while) and be done with it.

Unless they change it to "Overall Player of the Year" it will always be that way. An elite QB is always going to be more valuable than an elite DE. They could probably do with changing the name but it's unlikely to happen.

SameOleJay

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Because he wasn't even the MVP of the Cowboys.

Yes he was.

Romo was excellent this year. By any standards.

SameOleJay

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

0 picks at home to 25 td's I believe??
With only 5 in the whole regular season??

I think watt is probably the most talented over all, but if you take watt out of the texans are they much worse off?? probably not, you take rodgers out of gb and we are competing with the raiders which makes him more valuable imo

The Texans aren't much worse off without Watt?

You kiddin me?

OldMrBrennan83

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SameOleJay

Patww79 wrote: »

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Rodgers well deserved his MVP.

But anyone who thinks the Texans wouldn't have fallen off much without Watt hasn't watched them play.

raze_them_all_

SameOleJay wrote: »

Rodgers well deserved his MVP.

But anyone who thinks the Texans wouldn't have fallen off much without Watt hasn't watched them play.

They had him last season, look how they finished, the big change this year for texans was the qb and coach.

Edit: Obviously Watt had another big season, but as much as people don't want to hear it they still didn get into playoffs with watts history making season, where as if you have a qb have a good season chances are you make playoffs

SameOleJay

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

They had him last season, look how they finished, the big change this year for texans was the qb and coach.

I'm not talking about last season.

Watt was central to Houston's winning record.

raze_them_all_

SameOleJay wrote: »

I'm not talking about last season.

Watt was central to Houston's winning record.

Given the choice would you swap rodgers to the texans and give packers watt as a DE?

Which team would benefit more?

SameOleJay

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Given the choice would you swap rodgers to the texans and give packers watt as a DE?

Which team would benefit more?

No I wouldn't. What's that got to do with it?

The point is the Texan's fall-off without Watt this season would have been huge.

OldMrBrennan83

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raze_them_all_

SameOleJay wrote: »

No I wouldn't. What's that got to do with it?

The point is the Texan's fall-off without Watt this season would have been huge.

Then you are crazy. The point is rodgers as a player is more valuable to a team.

OldMrBrennan83

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SameOleJay

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Then you are crazy. The point is rodgers as a player is more valuable to a team.

I'm starting to wonder if you're even reading my posts.

Hazys

You can bet your house on that next year's MVP will be in this category: one of the top 5 QBs who got their team to the playoffs.

j8wk2feszrnpao

SameOleJay wrote: »

No I wouldn't. What's that got to do with it?

Value.
Rodgers to the Texans means playoff football.

SameOleJay

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Value.
Rodgers to the Texans means playoff football.

I wouldn't take Watt over Rodgers for my team. Think the question was something of a double entendre, I'm not a Texan's fan.

I have no idea why Rodgers came up here. I responded to the point that Houston wouldn't be much worse off without Watt, it's just madness,

raze_them_all_

SameOleJay wrote: »

No I wouldn't. What's that got to do with it?

The point is the Texan's fall-off without Watt this season would have been huge.

SameOleJay wrote: »

I wouldn't take Watt over Rodgers for my team. Think the question was something of a double entendre, I'm not a Texan's fan.

I have no idea why Rodgers came up here. I responded to the point that Houston wouldn't be much worse off without Watt, it's just madness,

Wins loss wise I genuinely believe they wouldn't be much worse off. How is that madness

poldebruin

Surprised there is so much of an argument against Rodgers. Sure he didn't separate himself from a bunch of other QBs, but he had a great season, in the most influential position on a team that made the Championship game.

Watt had a great season on a mediocre team, with a mediocre defense that did not make the playoffs. It's not even the best season of Watt's career.

To those arguing against position being taken into account ("it should just be a qb award etc.) What would happen if a punter broke all NFL records and pinned opponents inside the 20 consistently - would they merit MVP consideration?

Billy86

Putin wrote: »

7-5 in the postseason needs a lot of improving on. Manning was 7-6 at the same point in his career. The similarity makes you wonder, if Manning now retires, will Rodgers take his mantle in being a great regular season QB and nothing special in the postseason?

Watt was my MVP, but the bias towards QBs continues in the annual pointless award.

First, the playoffs have nothing to do with MVP voting - I personally think they should, but they don't so that's the end of that. Secondly, you continue to forget that American football is a 53 man sport, not singles.

Billy86

SameOleJay wrote: »

Yes he was.

Romo was excellent this year. By any standards.

He was excellent, and I have been a big supporter of his over the years (went on several rants last season about how outrageous media/fan treatment of him is). But all that said, Murray was the Cowboys MVP this year.

Billy86

As for the award, delighted Rodgers won it and as MVP goes I think he deserved it. But it also shows why I am not a big fan of the award along with others here, since best overall player would be such a better and more open category, and Watt would have won that this season.

SameOleJay

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

Wins loss wise I genuinely believe they wouldn't be much worse off. How is that madness

Because he was, quite clearly, the most influential player in several of their wins.

SameOleJay

Billy86 wrote: »

He was excellent, and I have been a big supporter of his over the years (went on several rants last season about how outrageous media/fan treatment of him is). But all that said, Murray was the Cowboys MVP this year.

I've given Murray his due this year but you can not have 5 turnovers at running back.

It's not clear cut but Romo was their mvp imo.

SameOleJay

And just to re-iterate the point Rodgers thoroughly deserved it.

He's an extraordinary talent.

Alfred Borden

Is it cool to hate Romo or something? Was brilliant this year and dont think there was much, if anything between himself and Rodgers. All in all Watt should have got it

j8wk2feszrnpao

Billy86 wrote: »

He was excellent, and I have been a big supporter of his over the years (went on several rants last season about how outrageous media/fan treatment of him is). But all that said, Murray was the Cowboys MVP this year.

Agreed on this. Romo had a very good year. But not in the overall MVP conversation. Murray was easily their MVP.