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Will the euro fall further against pound

  • 29-01-2015 5:16pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 505 ✭✭✭


    I have recently moved to the UK.

    I have some savings in my Irish bank account and am wondering if I should transfer it to my UK account asap in order to avoid further loss given the falling exchange rate.

    I know its hard to predict but do you think the euro will continue to fall against the pound?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    I'm certainly no professional.

    However with QE & Greece, it will be a tough year for the Euro.

    Further falls wouldn't be surprising.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 505 ✭✭✭Koptain Liverpool


    Yeah it looks like it should probably fall further in that regard alright. Although I´m wondering if the UK will do anything to reverse things as I guess they don´t want the pound to become too strong vs the euro


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Yeah it looks like it should probably fall further in that regard alright. Although I´m wondering if the UK will do anything to reverse things as I guess they don´t want the pound to become too strong vs the euro


    That is a good point.

    It can certainly be said that all other things being equal, the euro is likely to fall against the pound in the context of QE in Europe.

    But other things may have an effect, political changes in the UK, QE in the UK, interest rates in the UK etc. that could accelerate or reverse the trend. QE in Europe doesn't happen in isolation from all other things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Yeah it looks like it should probably fall further in that regard alright. Although I´m wondering if the UK will do anything to reverse things as I guess they don´t want the pound to become too strong vs the euro

    What else could the UK do, considering they have already done their own rounds of QE?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,909 ✭✭✭sarumite


    QE and other monetary measures would be implemented by the central bank, which is independent of the government. while British inflation is low, it is probably not low enough for the central bank to start any anti-deflationary measure just yet. A stronger pound is not good for British exporters, although naturally a weaker pound makes imports more expensive. One issue the UK has been struggling with is stagnant wage growth, so weaker a pound could results in a lowering in the standards of living. Personally I think with this level of uncertainty, Carney will likely hold steady and wait before making any sudden changes to BOE policies.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    I believe the EUR/USD is oversold, as is EUR/GBP.

    Hope this helps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Blue Magic


    75p to the Euro today... Euro experiment hasn't worked


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    That is stronger than when it was launched about 66p for a year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Seems to have been fairly steady now for the last week or so. Not much movement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭paul71


    Blue Magic wrote: »
    75p to the Euro today... Euro experiment hasn't worked

    Working great for Irish companies selling to the UK.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    £1 = €1.347 on CurrencyFair.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paul71 wrote: »
    Working great for Irish companies selling to the UK.
    This is such a parochial attitude. The man's comment pertained to the failure of the common currency on the whole, and not the currency's local triumphs in a peripheral shire of the Eurozone.

    Ireland is the Kerry South of the Eurozone, and Michael Noonan is its Jackie Healy-Rae.

    Of course, the "naked passion of the self-love of Nations" in the words of a Bengali bard, is not merely an Irish phenomenon, but an inbuilt, looming catastrophe on the European railroad.

    As it happens, many of the benefits of a weaker Euro will exist only on paper, especially since Irish firms are so bad at reinvesting profits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,735 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    This is such a parochial attitude. The man's comment pertained to the failure of the common currency on the whole, and not the currency's local triumphs in a peripheral shire of the Eurozone.

    Ireland is the Kerry South of the Eurozone, and Michael Noonan is its Jackie Healy-Rae.

    Of course, the "naked passion of the self-love of Nations" in the words of a Bengali bard, is not merely an Irish phenomenon, but an inbuilt, looming catastrophe on the European railroad.

    The "man's comment" summed the Euro up as a failure based on a temporary exchnage rate.

    Jesus Christ - the Euro has its flaws but don't go imagining a couple of paragraphs of argument that the original poster didn't even make.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    noodler wrote: »
    The "man's comment" summed the Euro up as a failure based on a temporary exchnage rate.
    Then shame on him for understating the case against it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    This is such a parochial attitude. The man's comment pertained to the failure of the common currency on the whole, and not the currency's local triumphs in a peripheral shire of the Eurozone.

    Ireland is the Kerry South of the Eurozone, and Michael Noonan is its Jackie Healy-Rae.

    Of course, the "naked passion of the self-love of Nations" in the words of a Bengali bard, is not merely an Irish phenomenon, but an inbuilt, looming catastrophe on the European railroad.

    As it happens, many of the benefits of a weaker Euro will exist only on paper, especially since Irish firms are so bad at reinvesting profits.

    Yawn. "Good for irish companies" is a legit response in a country which exports huge amounts to the U.S. and UK., in a forum called Irish Economy.

    He's right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Do people think a grexit is priced in? The euro sterling rate hasn't moved much for a few weeks.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yawn.
    I'll type. You have a lie down.

    Of course depreciation of the euro makes European exports more affordable. But depreciation onl really has positive medium/ long term effect if it meets a number of criteria: for example it must not diminish real incomes and it must lead to improved industrialisation and investment.

    In reality, weak industrial investment in this country makes the benefits of depreciation all the more ambiguous. Certainly, Ireland shifts more 'stuff' on a volume basis, but on the other hand Ireland is a high importer of products with low price elasticity - i.e. we import a lot of stuff we can't produce, oil being a classic Irish example.

    So the bottom line is that unless Ireland seriously invests in its industry, which it doesn't, the depreciation of the euro is likely to have very little effect on real GDP growth, and may even damage real GDP growth. It will almost certainly damage real growth in the Euro area.

    Lets stop being so provincial. If we can focus on sustainable EU growth, we are fighting our own corner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    I'll type. You have a lie down.

    Of course depreciation of the euro makes European exports more affordable. But depreciation onl really has positive medium/ long term effect if it meets a number of criteria: for example it must not diminish real incomes and it must lead to improved industrialisation and investment.

    In reality, weak industrial investment in this country makes the benefits of depreciation all the more ambiguous. Certainly, Ireland shifts more 'stuff' on a volume basis, but on the other hand Ireland is a high importer of products with low price elasticity - i.e. we import a lot of stuff we can't produce, oil being a classic Irish example.

    So the bottom line is that unless Ireland seriously invests in its industry, which it doesn't, the depreciation of the euro is likely to have very little effect on real GDP growth, and may even damage real GDP growth. It will almost certainly damage real growth in the Euro area.

    Lets stop being so provincial. If we can focus on sustainable EU growth, we are fighting our own corner.

    I'll give you one thing. You're an articulate economic illiterate.

    We may have "weak industrial investment" ( probably you mean indigenous) but it's not 1950 and we can export services, food and we have quite a few multinationals. Ireland has an export surplus. Since that surplus is mostly with non eurozone countries it will make a difference if the cost of our exports in their currencies fall. Selling more by volume means we make more money in euro.

    Oil has fallen faster then the dollar is appreciating relative to euro so the euro price of oil has also fallen. So that point is moot. Commodities are also down. Everything else can be sourced within the Eurozone.

    And your main point about being parochial in supporting a euro devaluation is also incorrect. In a deflationary Europe it's not bad for the Eurozone to garner inflation by reducing the price of the euro. That's one of the points of QE. It's just not true that a euro decline will hamper GDP growth. The opposite is true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,326 ✭✭✭paul71


    I'll give you one thing. You're an articulate economic illiterate.

    We may have "weak industrial investment" ( probably you mean indigenous) but it's not 1950 and we can export services, food and we have quite a few multinationals. Ireland has an export surplus. Since that surplus is mostly with non eurozone countries it will make a difference if the cost of our exports in their currencies fall. Selling more by volume means we make more money in euro.

    Oil has fallen faster then the dollar is appreciating relative to euro so the euro price of oil has also fallen. So that point is moot. Commodities are also down. Everything else can be sourced within the Eurozone.

    And your main point about being parochial in supporting a euro devaluation is also incorrect. In a deflationary Europe it's not bad for the Eurozone to garner inflation by reducing the price of the euro. That's one of the points of QE. It's just not true that a euro decline will hamper GDP growth. The opposite is true.

    Also makes direct inward investment cheaper, time for IDA to go shopping and add to our "weak industrial investment" in Intel, HP, phiszer, google, glendimplex, realtek, aircraft leasing, kerrygroup.

    Or maybe I am just being parochial, and we dont export anything and we really are a nation of Devs comely maidens.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    paul71 wrote: »
    Also makes direct inward investment cheaper, time for IDA to go shopping and add to our "weak industrial investment" in Intel, HP, phiszer, google, glendimplex, realtek, aircraft leasing, kerrygroup.

    Or maybe I am just being parochial, and we dont export anything and we really are a nation of Devs comely maidens.

    Sure unless it's heavy manufacturing it's not a 'real' export dontcha know :rolleyes:


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  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We may have "weak industrial investment" ( probably you mean indigenous) but it's not 1950 and we can export services, food and we have quite a few multinationals.
    Lets start with an English lesson for economics, and then move onto currency issues.

    Industry refers to the range of business activity falling within the scope of NACE or the SIC, of which manufacturing, financial services, construction, etc, are component sections. Industry does not refer solely to the production of tangible goods, and it isn't at all clear why you have incorrectly interpreted my reference to industry.
    Ireland has an export surplus. Since that surplus is mostly with non eurozone countries it will make a difference if the cost of our exports in their currencies fall.
    I love how bland this is. It will "make a difference"?

    Of course it will "make a difference". The question is whether an inevitable increase in the volume of exports would outweigh the negative impacts for real GDP by an increase in the price of imports with low price-elasticity of demand.

    There would need to be undertaken an econometric analysis taking into account the real trade-weighted exchange rate of the Eurozone, and domestic demand and the trade elasticities that are relevant to Ireland. Ireland exhibits much lower elasticity of external demand than other members of the EA, whereas as a small remote island, its imports are very difficult to substitute.

    On the issue of the trade surplus you mention, Ireland's current account surplus is at least partially explained by weak domestic demand. Depreciation risks exacerbating that.

    On the issue of oil and commodities of course, at this moment in time, low oil prices complement depreciation. But what happens when the oil price increases and the euro is still falling?

    I am simply warning people against falling for the foolish and hasty narrative that depreciation is in our best interests. I'd like to see the maths for that, because I'm skeptical.
    andrew wrote: »
    Sure unless it's heavy manufacturing it's not a 'real' export dontcha know :rolleyes:
    I usually find your comments quite worth reading but as a former mod of economics myself I am perplexed by this statement. It has nothing to do with what I said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    I have recently moved to the UK.

    I have some savings in my Irish bank account and am wondering if I should transfer it to my UK account asap in order to avoid further loss given the falling exchange rate.

    I know its hard to predict but do you think the euro will continue to fall against the pound?
    Long term, the euro has a slight advantage over sterling and other FIAT currencies. Here is the reason: the QE which has now started in the Eurozone is being done in such a way as to place 80% of the risk on the individual countries where the bonds are being bought. In other words, the PIG countries which want QE the most, get most of the QE but crucially they get it at their own risk.

    This is to protect Germany from having to bail out other countries when the currency, equity and bond markets all collapse together. When that happens, Ireland will get to know real austerity. Up until now, the Euro would have lost a lot of its value if the pigs left the Eurozone. In future, the more the pigs leave, the more the Euro will hold its value. Also in the future, if the pigs stay, austerity in those countries will be all the more severe.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the PIG countries which want QE the most, get most of the QE but crucially they get it at their own risk.
    With the exception of Italy, the troubled peripheral economies are not the major beneficiaries of QE. Spain and Portugal are unlikely to see a major benefit (a bit like Germany), and Greece would be better off (in spades) with a strong euro.

    On the other hand, the most conservative members of the euro have most to gain from QE: Austria, Finland, Holland... the countries that export lots and don't tend to import from outside the eurozone.

    Quantitative easing could actually undermine some of the progress made by Greece, and its NCB is likely to be very wary of it, as will the NCBs of Spain and Portugal. Italy is the only troubled country that I think will be cracking open the prosecco.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Lets start with an English lesson for economics, and then move onto currency issues.

    Industry refers to the range of business activity falling within the scope of NACE or the SIC, of which manufacturing, financial services, construction, etc, are component sections. Industry does not refer solely to the production of tangible goods, and it isn't at all clear why you have incorrectly interpreted my reference to industry.

    I love how bland this is. It will "make a difference"?

    Of course it will "make a difference". The question is whether an inevitable increase in the volume of exports would outweigh the negative impacts for real GDP by an increase in the price of imports with low price-elasticity of demand.

    There would need to be undertaken an econometric analysis taking into account the real trade-weighted exchange rate of the Eurozone, and domestic demand and the trade elasticities that are relevant to Ireland. Ireland exhibits much lower elasticity of external demand than other members of the EA, whereas as a small remote island, its imports are very difficult to substitute.

    On the issue of the trade surplus you mention, Ireland's current account surplus is at least partially explained by weak domestic demand. Depreciation risks exacerbating that.

    On the issue of oil and commodities of course, at this moment in time, low oil prices complement depreciation. But what happens when the oil price increases and the euro is still falling?

    I am simply warning people against falling for the foolish and hasty narrative that depreciation is in our best interests. I'd like to see the maths for that, because I'm skeptical.


    I usually find your comments quite worth reading but as a former mod of economics myself I am perplexed by this statement. It has nothing to do with what I said.

    Economists always amuse me. An uppity social science.

    You are right -- to a limited extent -- about depreciation in some cases. If the punt depreciated it would have introduced inflation as external commodities would have been priced higher, and local industry would have had a hard time of import substitution.

    In this case

    1) the Eurozone is in a deflation trap.
    2) the eurozone is much larger than the irish " punt zone" so import substitution is easy.
    3) global commodities are falling.

    What that tells you is that depreciation caused by QE can't be that bad. They want to introduce inflation.

    so exports outside the EZ grow. Imports can be substituted or where, in the case of commodities, they can't are in generally falling anyway. The real problem is this may not work to increase inflation despite the falls in the currency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    With the exception of Italy, the troubled peripheral economies are not the major beneficiaries of QE. Spain and Portugal are unlikely to see a major benefit (a bit like Germany), and Greece would be better off (in spades) with a strong euro.

    On the other hand, the most conservative members of the euro have most to gain from QE: Austria, Finland, Holland... the countries that export lots and don't tend to import from outside the eurozone.

    Quantitative easing could actually undermine some of the progress made by Greece, and its NCB is likely to be very wary of it, as will the NCBs of Spain and Portugal. Italy is the only troubled country that I think will be cracking open the prosecco.
    In a short-sighted socialist sense you are right because a strong euro would buy more stuff from abroad and in the short term that would be good for Greek people. However the benefit would be more than offset because Greek exports would be more expensive to foreign buyers so Greek businesses would suffer. Such an outcome would be catastrophic in a country like Greece that needs to grow its exporting sector.

    That said, I am not an advocate of QE. The PIGs should simply slash spending on services to the point where they are paying the interest on their debt, the principle on their debt and where they have a surplus for infrastructure investment. Governments that print money are usually no different to criminals that print counterfeit notes. It is theft.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Impetus


    The EUR is over-sold at present. While it may fall a little more in the short term, you have a British election in May 2015. The outcome is scary - in terms of a coalition of extremists and more moderate parties. The uncertainty will cause the GBP to fall in my view. But you also have the money printing from Brussels starting in the next month or so, which will cause some measure of dilution of value.

    In terms of USD -v- EUR - total US debt is 145* trillion against a GDP of 17 trillion. Of which federal, state and local public debt is 21 trillion. Which mkes the Greeks look pathetic in comparison when it comes to borrowing....


    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'll give you one thing. You're an articulate economic illiterate
    Economists always amuse me. An uppity social science.
    Oh Eugene you whimsical brute! You can't seem to decide whether I'm economically illiterate, or whether you reject the 'uppity' laws of economics. I never know where we stand with one another. Why do you send me mixed messages?????

    I am not saying you're right or wrong. I am saying this question is ultimately one to be answered mathematically by some sexually-undernourished research assistant in a central Bank bunker. We're both far too young & beautiful to be driven into a crosseyed econometric stupor.

    If Eugene Norman & Sons go into business selling Aran Sweaters to gullibile Americans at $50-a-pop during a time when the €1 is quoted at $1.13, you might assume that when the value of the €1 subsequently depreciates to parity, your firm will shift more sweaters and turn a profit.

    The foreign exchange market does not work to simplistic canons. Firstly, Aran sweaters are probably highly price-inelastic. Purchasers of Aran Sweaters are nonchalant and a bit bourgeois (just like you, perhaps) and nobody cares whether they cost $50 or $45. Not only do the Americans not care, but you might get quite a fright when you see how greatly the cost of your indispensable costs (transport, energy and the cost of importing Merino wool) have shot up.

    You are far too optimistic in responding that (i) oil prices are low at present and (ii) you can substitute non-EA imports with EA imports.

    (i) Oil prices are far too volatile to make any sort of long-term arrangements on the basis of their currently being low. What happens when they increase?
    (ii) Ireland cannot substitute indispensable improts with EA imports, because the Euroland itself is extremely reliant on the 'outside world' for commidities and energy. European price elasticity of imports is around 0.2. This is highly inelastic. Europeans must import!

    If you want to see a country where depreciation has had the kind of dreadful impact I am warning of (not quite predicting, necessarily), just look at Japan.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew



    I usually find your comments quite worth reading but as a former mod of economics myself I am perplexed by this statement. It has nothing to do with what I said.

    I didn't mean to imply that that was a response to your post, tis just a flippant comment on the general attitude people (not you) have towards exports/industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Today on CurrencyFair:

    £1 = €1.358


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 391 ✭✭freelancerTax


    up to 1.37 now......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭by the seaside


    Impetus wrote: »
    The EUR is over-sold at present. While it may fall a little more in the short term, you have a British election in May 2015. The outcome is scary - in terms of a coalition of extremists and more moderate parties. The uncertainty will cause the GBP to fall in my view. But you also have the money printing from Brussels starting in the next month or so, which will cause some measure of dilution of value.

    In terms of USD -v- EUR - total US debt is 145* trillion against a GDP of 17 trillion. Of which federal, state and local public debt is 21 trillion. Which mkes the Greeks look pathetic in comparison when it comes to borrowing....


    *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States

    I'm not sure I see anything scary or extremist about the UK election. The potential of an EU referendum and BREXIT is moderately scary.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't think it's scary at all.

    Let them out.

    The EU loses what, 5% of its budget? And how much more efficient will we become when we are rid of British posturing, which hinders decision-making (including budget negotiations).

    It's like a spoilt child is constantly threatening to run away with the ball. Well let him. It's a rubbish ball anyway. Lets have our own and play on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    1.366 today


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    I'm not sure I see anything scary or extremist about the UK election. The potential of an EU referendum and BREXIT is moderately scary.

    It's certainly going to be a hung parliament.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭by the seaside


    It's certainly going to be a hung parliament.

    Probably, so it will end up as one of:

    Tory + Lib Dem
    Labour + Lib Dem
    Labour + SNP
    Labour + Lib Dem + SNP

    Possibly a minority Labour or Tory government with a supply and confidence agreement with smaller parties. The extremist comment may be the potential for a Tory government with a supply amd confidence agreement with UKIP, but the electoral mathematics seems unlikely.

    Interesting to see the two party system splitting apart.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    £1 = £1.388 on CF today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    http://www.ecb.europa.eu/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/index.en.html

    Official ECB exchange rates here.

    The euro is at 71.86 pence yesterday.

    That's down about 12p in a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Tuesdays rates on CF:

    £1 = €1.403
    €1 = £0.7096


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭davwain


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Tuesdays rates on CF:

    £1 = €1.403
    €1 = £0.7096

    Compared to the Euro's Ukrainian counterpart (the hryvnia), the euro is doing relatively good vs the pound. 1 UAH costs about CDN$0.06 (about £ 0.03) to buy.

    A recent blog in The Economist called Ukraine's economy "The new Greece in the east". It's debatable whether the euro has further to fall vs the GBP, but Ukraine's economy is so bad that the hryvnia may (whether instead of or in addition to the euro) have further to fall vs the GBP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    What about the poor EURO - US Dollar exchange rate, is this expected to continue to plummet ?


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  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    davwain wrote: »
    Compared to the Euro's Ukrainian counterpart (the hryvnia), the euro is doing relatively good vs the pound.

    Why are you comparing the euro to the UAH?

    There are not enough --->:confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭davwain


    Why are you comparing the euro to the UAH?

    There are not enough --->:confused:

    I believe Ukraine's economy is in worse shape than at least some of the Eurozone's economies. Among Eurozone countries, none, according to Transparency International's most recent Corruption Perceptions Index, are as corrupt as Ukraine. I believe corruption is a big drag on Ukraine's economy, and is likely to continue to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭by the seaside


    davwain wrote: »
    I believe Ukraine's economy is in worse shape than at least some of the Eurozone's economies. Among Eurozone countries, none, according to Transparency International's most recent Corruption Perceptions Index, are as corrupt as Ukraine. I believe corruption is a big drag on Ukraine's economy, and is likely to continue to be.

    I see a new marketing strapline coming:
    Eurozone: at least we're not the Ukraine.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    davwain wrote: »
    I believe Ukraine's economy is in worse shape than at least some of the Eurozone's economies.
    They're in the middle of a civil war,their currency has collapsed, they intend to restructure their sovereign debt, and they have had to impose draconian measures like their banks being banned from purchasing foreign currency.

    There is simply no comparison with the Eurozone or the European member states.

    Ukraine has bigger problems than all of us combined.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    the_monkey wrote: »
    What about the poor EURO - US Dollar exchange rate, is this expected to continue to plummet ?

    Algos driven. Epic short squeeze this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭davwain


    They're in the middle of a civil war,their currency has collapsed, they intend to restructure their sovereign debt, and they have had to impose draconian measures like their banks being banned from purchasing foreign currency.

    There is simply no comparison with the Eurozone or the European member states.

    Ukraine has bigger problems than all of us combined.


    Yep. Corruption is a big one. Stacey Dooley tries to make this clear in a BBC documentary on Ukraine's big drug trafficking problem.


  • Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I love to read the Bank of England MPC's minutes, because it is impossible not to recall the 'Fidelity Fiduciary Bank' scene conveyed by Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins.

    Aanyway, the minutes for the March meeting here. Not much to say about Euro policy, just noting their wariness.

    http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/minutes/Documents/mpc/pdf/2015/mar.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Impetus


    the_monkey wrote: »
    What about the poor EURO - US Dollar exchange rate, is this expected to continue to plummet ?

    Why should the EUR plummet? The EUR has been in trade surplus with the US since the EUR currency started. Europe makes everything it and the world (including rich Chinese etc) needs - good food, wine, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Miele, Ferrari, Porsche, Grohe, Mouton Cadet, Carrefour, Casino, Hermes, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, Airbus, Gucci, Thales (air traffic management/encryption).... I could go on and on listing European brand names, Europe has the best autoroute/bahn network in the world, the EUR has been strong since it was invented, etc. America and China can't produce similar products. Only Japan has succeeded in some respects with meeting European quality levels - eg Sony alpha 7S camera -v- Leica M. Having said that Leica lenses are streets ahead.

    The purpose of a currency is a store of value and a means of exchange. Might as well have a strong currency (forcing companes in the currency area to become more efficient) and the savings of the people in that currency zone hold their value.

    And to answer your question, the GBP will fall in value against most major currencies as the elections approach with the risk of that "country" leaving the EU, and the issue of multiple parties forming a coalition - Anglo Saxons can only deal with black and white situations, unlike the rest of Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Impetus wrote: »
    Why should the EUR plummet? The EUR has been in trade surplus with the US since the EUR currency started. Europe makes everything it and the world (including rich Chinese etc) needs - good food, wine, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Miele, Ferrari, Porsche, Grohe, Mouton Cadet, Carrefour, Casino, Hermes, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, Airbus, Gucci, Thales (air traffic management/encryption).... I could go on and on listing European brand names, Europe has the best autoroute/bahn network in the world, the EUR has been strong since it was invented, etc. America and China can't produce similar products. Only Japan has succeeded in some respects with meeting European quality levels - eg Sony alpha 7S camera -v- Leica M. Having said that Leica lenses are streets ahead.

    The purpose of a currency is a store of value and a means of exchange. Might as well have a strong currency (forcing companes in the currency area to become more efficient) and the savings of the people in that currency zone hold their value.

    And to answer your question, the GBP will fall in value against most major currencies as the elections approach with the risk of that "country" leaving the EU, and the issue of multiple parties forming a coalition - Anglo Saxons can only deal with black and white situations, unlike the rest of Europe.

    You could have made most of that post a year ago -- British elections aside -- and you would have been wrong. Sterling massively increased against the euro. So did the dollar. The dollar is expected to continue to increase, simply because Europe is printing money and the U.S. has exited QE and is going to increase interest rates. Which will increase capital flow to the U.S.

    You are on firmer ground with the british elections, however once resolved for similar reasons sterling will trend towards 1.5/1.6 euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭Sheldons Brain


    You are on firmer ground with the british elections, however once resolved for similar reasons sterling will trend towards 1.5/1.6 euro.

    What sort of trade deficit would the UK have if £ was €1.60?


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