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    #302
    SpaceTime
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    If it doesn't pass I'll be chucking the citizenship anyway. That's for sure.


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    #303
    hotmail.com
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    K4t wrote: »
    You can be racist, sexist and homophobic without being a bully. A person is perfectly entitled to hold those beliefs and express them. Associating them with bullying only complicates matters. They should be addressed separately from bullying, which is just bullying at the end of the day.

    What?


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    #304
    SaveOurLyric
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    What?

    The school is showing great care to ensure balance in the debate. As in a referendum, where both sides are according equal voice. While the postponement was poor organisation and late in the day, at least they recognised their error and are willing to postpone it until they have voices willing to speak in support of homophobic bullying, in order to have a balance presentation. Kudos to the school for being willing to present both sides rather than just promote one view or the other.


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    #305
    PopePalpatine
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    The school is showing great care to ensure balance in the debate. As in a referendum, where both sides are according equal voice. While the postponement was poor organisation and late in the day, at least they recognised their error and are willing to postpone it until they have voices willing to speak in support of homophobic bullying, in order to have a balance presentation. Kudos to the school for being willing to present both sides rather than just promote one view or the other.

    I really hope you're taking the piss with this post.


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    #306
    SaveOurLyric
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    SpaceTime wrote: »
    If it doesn't pass I'll be chucking the citizenship anyway. That's for sure.

    Have you a spare ?


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    #307
    jobbridge4life
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    The school is showing great care to ensure balance in the debate. As in a referendum, where both sides are according equal voice. While the postponement was poor organisation and late in the day, at least they recognised their error and are willing to postpone it until they have voices willing to speak in support of homophobic bullying, in order to have a balance presentation. Kudos to the school for being willing to present both sides rather than just promote one view or the other.

    The other side being?


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    #308
    spikeS
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    The other side being?

    Anti racist and anti sexist bulling talks?


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    #309
    K4t
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    The other side being?
    Homophobes? Pro-bullying activists? Homophobes against bullying? Bullies against homophobia?


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    #310
    hotmail.com
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    K4t wrote: »
    Homophobes? Pro-bullying activists? Homophobes against bullying? Bullies against homophobia?

    You seemed to suggest there's no connection between bullying and homophobia/racism.

    Are you serious?


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    #311
    SaveOurLyric
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    The other side being?

    Those pro homophobic bullying.

    Probably not easy to get them to speak openly I guess. But clearly there are those who think its a good thing if seminars against it are necessary.


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    #312
    jobbridge4life
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    Those pro homophobic bullying.

    Probably not easy to get them to speak openly I guess. But clearly there are those who think its a good thing if seminars against it are necessary.

    You believe a school should host a group that will argue some children ought to be subjected to bullying?


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    #313
    K4t
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    You seemed to suggest there's no connection between bullying and homophobia/racism.
    You can make a connection of course but they are independent of each other. Homophobia and bullying should be tackled separately for best results imo.


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    Annasopra
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    K4t wrote: »
    You can make a connection of course but they are independent of each other. Homophobia and bullying should be tackled separately for best results imo.

    How are they independent from each other? Please explain this?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #315
    spikeS
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    How are they independent from each other? Please explain this?

    I am guessing you can dislike the homosexual act but be a nice person that doesn't bully people and keep it to yourself.


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    #316
    SpaceTime
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    Have you a spare ?

    Yup.


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    #317
    K4t
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    How are they independent from each other? Please explain this?
    You can be homophobic without being a bully and vice versa. There are a lot more homophobes that do not engage in homophobic bullying than homophobes who do in the country.


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    hotmail.com
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    K4t wrote: »
    You can be homophobic without being a bully and vice versa. There are a lot more homophobes that do not engage in homophobic bullying than homophobes who do in the country.

    They wish to tackle homophobic bullying.


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    spikeS
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    They wish to tackle homophobic bullying.

    Tackling Racial bullying is needed way more atm but I think an all inclusive one would have been best, but if it had to be separate and unfortunately they could only have one non inclusive one they should have tried to fix racial bullying


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    Ghost Buster
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    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    The school is showing great care to ensure balance in the debate. As in a referendum, where both sides are according equal voice. While the postponement was poor organisation and late in the day, at least they recognised their error and are willing to postpone it until they have voices willing to speak in support of homophobic bullying, in order to have a balance presentation. Kudos to the school for being willing to present both sides rather than just promote one view or the other.

    Good lord!! Are you for real?
    So if this was a work shop on not bullying the fat kids what form would this balance you speak of take?
    " But in fairness Jimmy Burke is a big fat smelly ejit and his dads an out of work alco"
    " Oh. Well seeing as you put it like that....."

    Go on. What do you mean by fairness?


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    hotmail.com
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    spikeS wrote: »
    Tackling Racial bullying is needed way more atm but I think an all inclusive one would have been best, but if it had to be separate and unfortunately they could only have one non inclusive one they should have tried to fix racial bullying

    LGBT anti bullying work shops presumably give particular attention to lgbt issues, but must cover a variety of subjects when discussing bullying.

    I don't think it's a case of either/or.. I'm sure there is solidarity in relation to any campaign to rid schools of bullying.


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    #322
    spikeS
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    LGBT anti bullying work shops presumably give particular attention to lgbt issues, but must cover a variety of subjects when discussing bullying.

    I don't think it's a case of either/or.. I'm sure there is solidarity in relation to any campaign to rid schools of bullying.

    Most schools only have the time and funds to do one hence why an all inclusive one is beside for balance, but if you cannot do that racial bullying should have been the first choice it's the most important issue for our youth atm


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    #323
    Gatling
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    spikeS wrote: »
    racial bullying should have been the first choice it's the most important issue for our youth atm

    Based off what exactly
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    #324
    Annasopra
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    K4t wrote: »
    You can be homophobic without being a bully and vice versa. There are a lot more homophobes that do not engage in homophobic bullying than homophobes who do in the country.

    And you can be a bully who bullies homophobically.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #325
    spikeS
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Based off what exactly

    Islamphobia is way higher at then homophobia both are important to tackle but it's odd the school skipped racial bullying and went to the lesser homophobic, if I was a parent I would be questioning why not do an inclusive one or why this was picked over the more important issue.

    There is more different races in our schools then there is lgbt students


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    #326
    hotmail.com
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    spikeS wrote: »
    Most schools only have the time and funds to do one hence why an all inclusive one is beside for balance, but if you cannot do that racial bullying should have been the first choice it's the most important issue for our youth atm

    Most schools have anti-racist programmes in place already.


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    #327
    spikeS
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Most schools have anti-racist programmes in place already.

    Those programmes also cover homophobia, if going to get an outside group an inclusive or one that covers the most important issue should have been got


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    Gatling
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    spikeS wrote: »
    Islamphobia is way higher at then homophobia both are important t

    There is more different races in our schools then there is lgbt students

    You actually can't say that as a matter of fact

    Islamophobia I honestly don't think is an issue in schools imo
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    #329
    spikeS
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    Gatling wrote: »
    You actually can't say that as a matter of fact

    Islamophobia I honestly don't think is an issue in schools imo

    It a huge issue atm after France and an anti racial bullying talk would cover all POC and there is more POC in schools then lgbt students to get bullied.


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    spikeS wrote: »
    It a huge issue atm after France and an anti racial bullying talk would cover all POC and there is more POC in schools then lgbt students to get bullied.

    ...people of colour can be LGBT too.


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    spikeS
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    Arthur Substantial Below wrote: »
    ...people of colour can be LGBT too.

    True and they would be top of the stack but a anti POC lgbt bullying talk would be too narrow


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