Buying helmet online ..

jo06555

Iv bein looking online for PPE and the prices vary alot, im wondering do sites like this http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/en_IE/?ViewAction=View&ObjectID=3422789&PageSize=20&Page=8 really sell good qaulity gear at such low prices ? Whats the catch if any Is it ok to buy helmets from online suppliers like this. .. thanks.

CJhaughey

jo06555 wrote: »

Iv bein looking online for PPE and the prices vary alot, im wondering do sites like this http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/en_IE/?ViewAction=View&ObjectID=3422789&PageSize=20&Page=8 really sell good qaulity gear at such low prices ? Whats the catch if any Is it ok to buy helmets from online suppliers like this. .. thanks.

Helmets are fine but they have to fit, unless you know that the helmet fits you properly you may as well wear a helmet made from a hollowed out watermelon.
If you have tried a helmet on and know it fits correctly then you can buy one online.
If a helmet fits badly it can be painful on a longer ride.

Kat1170

Economies of scale, when you buy 1000's or even 10,000's of items you will get a better deal from manufacturers.

You could also try Helmet City. Never bought on-line from them but have bought from them in the NEC and they were grand to deal with.

Skill Magill

Dont buy one on line, go into a bricks and mortar and get one that fits. I got an arai from crossans in newry and it was way too tight, on the spot they changed the lining for a thinner version, and a perfect fit. I'm sure other lads would agree that its the fit that counts.

goodlad

Skill Magill wrote: »

Dont buy one on line, go into a bricks and mortar and get one that fits. I got an arai from crossans in newry and it was way too tight, on the spot they changed the lining for a thinner version, and a perfect fit. I'm sure other lads would agree that its the fit that counts.

Do this. Then price it online with the different size liner :P

jo06555

Thanks ... il go and get one that fits and see how much the difference is with prices .. I imagine the difference will be a lot though.

Max Headroom

jo06555 wrote: »

Iv bein looking online for PPE and the prices vary alot, im wondering do sites like this http://www.fc-moto.de/epages/fcm.sf/en_IE/?ViewAction=View&ObjectID=3422789&PageSize=20&Page=8 really sell good qaulity gear at such low prices ? Whats the catch if any Is it ok to buy helmets from online suppliers like this. .. thanks.

I bought an AGV from them..i tried them all on in Bikeworld first though.....saved €100 at the time..

jo06555

Max Headroom wrote: »

I bought an AGV from them..i tried them all on in Bikeworld first though.....saved €100 at the time..

That's good to hear .. once I try them on in shop first then is it? Might save a few quid if they too expensive in the shops here ..

Max Headroom

jo06555 wrote: »

That's good to hear .. once I try them on in shop first then is it? Might save a few quid if they too expensive in the shops here ..

Yeah....Got a lovely Revit wax jacket on line too...saved €70 on Crossans price....yeah i know i'm a cnut...:o

Vikings

Bought my first shark helmet from Cotters, got a great deal on it at the RDS bike show. When I came off the first bike I brought it to Cotters who returned it to Shark for me for an assessment and then I collected it a few weeks later - free of charge of course. Knowing what size I needed and what helmet I wanted I bought the same helmet from Helmet City and saved €85 on what Cotters would offer me on the exact same lid.

If I have any issues with it I may have to return it to Helmet City to be sent back to Shark but that is the price to pay for the savings of going local.

But as pointed out, make sure you have tried it on and know exactly how it fits. If you know what helmet & size you want I can recommend Helmet City. Good price compared to bricks and mortar here as there is no VAT on helmets over there.

Wossack

RE price difference

most other countries dont charge as much VAT on critical safety equipment.. Ireland is not one of them unfortunately

Del2005

Wossack wrote: »

RE price difference

most other countries dont charge as much VAT on critical safety equipment.. Ireland is not one of them unfortunately

And thanks to the EU we now pay the full Irish VAT no matter where we buy

Wonda-Boy

Not the best idea in the world in fairness unless you have tried the exact helmet on in a different shop FIRST!

Remember €50 helmets are for €50 heads......you know it makes sense Rodney!!!

Del2005

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Not the best idea in the world in fairness unless you have tried the exact helmet on in a different shop FIRST!

Remember €50 helmets are for €50 heads......you know it makes sense Rodney!!!

As bad and all as the SHARP tests are some of the expensive helmets preform much worst than the cheaper ones. But it doesn't matter how expensive a helmet it is a badly fitting one is useless.

Wossack

Del2005 wrote: »

And thanks to the EU we now pay the full Irish VAT no matter where we buy

Join the EU they said.. be grand they said..

Cienciano

Bought my last 3 lids from fc-moto, brother the same. Definitely try on first.

szatan84

Del2005 wrote: »

And thanks to the EU we now pay the full Irish VAT no matter where we buy

From the article u linked to:

From 1 January 2015, EU VAT will be charged in the country where products are bought as opposed to the country where they are sold. The legislation applies to digital products only, such as e-books, online courses or downloads.From 1 January 2015, EU VAT will be charged in the country where products are bought as opposed to the country where they are sold. The legislation applies to digital products only, such as e-books, online courses or downloads.

Wonda-Boy

Del2005 wrote: »

As bad and all as the SHARP tests are some of the expensive helmets preform much worst than the cheaper ones. But it doesn't matter how expensive a helmet it is a badly fitting one is useless.

Sharp test is seriously flawed, would not be going on that to buy a helmet. Been many a thread on the sharp test so not getting into it here. But a Duchini 80 euro lid got four stars and my Arai Quantum got 2 or 3 I think it was.....I KNOW WHAT I WOULD RATHER HAVE PROTECTING MY CRUST.

paulieeye

would anyone be concerned with what happens to the helmet in transit if bought online, gettin bounced around the back of a truck? Then again, we've no idea what happened to it before it got to the shop either

listermint

Bought from FC Moto myself.

Measure by head about 10 times. Took the plunge its perfect. Great Helmet, Great Price, Great Delivery.

NO problems.

Richard tea

listermint wrote: »

Bought from FC Moto myself.

Measure by head about 10 times. Took the plunge its perfect. Great Helmet, Great Price, Great Delivery.

NO problems.

Same. Bought from louis.de and she fitted grand. I did spend a few days measuring me noggin though. Its so hard to get a good fitting helmet with my chiseled features:D

Wonda-Boy

Richard tea wrote: »

Same. Bought from louis.de and she fitted grand. I did spend a few days measuring me noggin though. Its so hard to get a good fitting helmet with my chiseled features:D

Ye have a head like a chisel alright!!!!!

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

Kat1170

Don't forget just because a helmet is the right size in cm doesn't mean it will 'fit' you. One make in X cm can fit completely different to a different make in the same X cm. Try to try one of before you order online if you can.

E.g. I find a Large Arai helmet fits/feels completely different to a Large Shoei.

fatbast

very few places left to try on helmets before then buying online, but then what do you expect? the vat makes it 23% dearer here and of course there are some shipping charges. some dealers now looking for a deposit prior to lengthy trying on of helmets and clothing to deter time wasters which is kinda understandable i suppose..

Tigger

fatbast wrote: »

very few places left to try on helmets before then buying online, but then what do you expect? the vat makes it 23% dearer here and of course there are some shipping charges. some dealers now looking for a deposit prior to lengthy trying on of helmets and clothing to deter time wasters which is kinda understandable i suppose..

I would tell them where to go if they started that
Deposit to try on gear?
If I wanna buy a car I'm allowed drive it straight away probably without them even comming with me
Wanna buy a bike ?: no test drive without deposit
I had to hand over €500 to get my last test drive

Wonda-Boy

No way on earth i am giving a dealer a "deposit" to try on gear, not a chance. If the service is good and the lad is sound and has the craic I would buy there even if cheaper online. Majority of places in this country right across tye board dont understand the world service!!!!

zubair

Don't mean to hi Jack the thread but has any one ever dealt with this company before?

www.motoabbigliamento.it/en/

Replacing my helmet and its 35 shmackeroos cheaper than the next best price I can find, www.motorcycleshop.ie, have dealt with them before and have been very happy. 35 quid is a bit of a difference though.

Muahahaha

I'm all for saving money but do people not worry about their helmets passage through the post? I'm sure they wrap them well but you can never be sure if its been dropped in transit or had something heavy fall upon it.

Kat1170

Muahahaha wrote: »

I'm all for saving money but do people not worry about their helmets passage through the post? I'm sure they wrap them well but you can never be sure if its been dropped in transit or had something heavy fall upon it.

How do you think the helmets shops here have get to Ireland

Geraldo

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Not the best idea in the world in fairness unless you have tried the exact helmet on in a different shop FIRST!

Remember €50 helmets are for €50 heads......you know it makes sense Rodney!!!

Not sure I ever agreed with this statement really. The cheapest lids will obviously be of a poorer fit etc but they all pass pretty much the same safety standards. And let's be honest, if you come off at speed you're in big trouble no matter what.

Wonda-Boy

Geraldo wrote: »

Not sure I ever agreed with this statement really. The cheapest lids will obviously be of a poorer fit etc but they all pass pretty much the same safety standards. And let's be honest, if you come off at speed you're in big trouble no matter what.

Well I would rather be in my Arai Quantum coming off at speed then a €50 lidl/Aldi lid.....but each to their own m8.

Mr Sheen!

Geraldo wrote: »

Not sure I ever agreed with this statement really. The cheapest lids will obviously be of a poorer fit etc but they all pass pretty much the same safety standards. And let's be honest, if you come off at speed you're in big trouble no matter what.

True that they all meet the same standard. However many of the top end lids go well above this standard and it is just because there is no standard at that high level that you cannot truly compare.

For example years ago people thought that houses were houses and they all had to meet the same standard which was try to a certain degree. Now however with the BER ratings you can see why a house which looks identical to the one next door is worth ten times as much. An A rated home is well above the standard it must meet.

Roadcraft

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Well I would rather be in my Arai Quantum coming off at speed then a €50 lidl/Aldi lid.....but each to their own m8.

AraI Quantum, 3 star lid, scored very bad for side impact, but each to their own its a very good brand name.

I would say a 50 Euro lid would suit a 50 Euro budget.

Cienciano

Roadcraft wrote: »

AraI Quantum, 3 star lid, scored very bad for side impact, but each to their own its a very good brand name.

I would say a 50 Euro lid would suit a 50 Euro budget.

I'd take that test with a pinch of salt tbh.
I go with mid range lids though, I don't think arais are worth the cash

zubair

Some people agree with the rating some don't. But it's the only independent test we have that's considered reliable, it was setup by the uk department of tranport so I trust it.

I think an aldi lid would probably fail it, but there are cheap brands that would pass with flying colours as there are expensive ones. I don't think people should poopoo their ratings altogether and if you don't have faith in their system just use it as a guideline rather than the deciding factor.

Remember the main difference between a 50 lid and a 300+ lid is the 50 lid protects your head from impacts and the elements, an expensive lid does this too but with Bluetooth, sun visor , pinlock, low noise, lightweight, cool colour scheme and a recognised brand name.

Kat1170

zubair wrote: »

Some people agree with the rating some don't. But it's the only independent test we have that's considered reliable, it was setup by the uk department of tranport so I trust it.

I think an aldi lid would probably fail it, but there are cheap brands that would pass with flying colours as there are expensive ones. I don't think people should poopoo their ratings altogether and if you don't have faith in their system just use it as a guideline rather than the deciding factor.

Remember the main difference between a 50 lid and a 300+ lid is the 50 lid protects your head from impacts and the elements, an expensive lid does this too but with Bluetooth, sun visor , pinlock, low noise, lightweight, cool colour scheme and a recognised brand name.

Don't know about that, they sell the same lids in Germany and they're fairly anal about passing tests.

Wouldn't buy/wear one though

CJhaughey

It doesn't matter how much a helmet costs if it doesn't fit correctly.
a €500 helmet that is too big will be worse in a crash than a cheapie that is sized and fitted correctly.
Too many people buy helmets to fit their face, not their head.
Usually the big advantage with a better helmet is the adjustable cheekpads and pads, cheaper helmets don't usually have this feature.
I see helmets coming up in features and down in price all the time, apart from the big names but even Arai have made a more affordable model now because they are being hammered in sales.

zubair

Kat1170 wrote: »

Don't know about that, they sell the same lids in Germany and they're fairly anal about passing tests.

Wouldn't buy/wear one though

We're both making assumptions here to be fair. I would add that all the helmets on SHARP have passed the necessary ECE tests but they all have different ratings when tested by SHARP.

1 reason I wouldn't wear one is the amount of handling they get while on the shop floor.

Vikings

zubair wrote: »

1 reason I wouldn't wear one is the amount of handling they get while on the shop floor.

No more than one sitting on the shelf of a bike shop for a couple of years at an extortionate price with people coming and going trying it on to buy it half the price online

CJhaughey

Handling is not the biggest threat to helmets, sunlight, and petrol vapour will do more damage than someone handling a helmet.

Wonda-Boy

Roadcraft wrote: »

AraI Quantum, 3 star lid, scored very bad for side impact, but each to their own its a very good brand name.

I would say a 50 Euro lid would suit a 50 Euro budget.

As I said would not trust the sharp tests at all, have seen 1st hand the state of 5 star sharp lids after the smallest offs up in cross and by the owner. I'll will stick to my Arai all the same.

CJhaughey

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

As I said would not trust the sharp tests at all, have seen 1st hand the state of 5 star sharp lids after the smallest offs up in cross and by the owner. I'll will stick to my Arai all the same.

It is a personal decision. However the state of the helmet after an accident is immaterial, the state of the contents of the helmet is the primary concern and if the contents are still functional then the helmet has done its job by dissipating the energy involved.

Wonda-Boy

http://whyarai.co.uk/why-choose-arai

Mr Sheen!

http://youtu.be/1F0Myf4oEzc

P.C.

So, if you pay €300 for a helmet does that mean that you have a €300 head?

Still a very cheap price to put on your head.

What if you get the helmet on a sale and only pay €200? Does that mean that you only have a €200 head?

Fit, comfort, low noise and other things like that are important to me when I buy a helmet.

Budget also comes into it. I am not going to spend thousands on a helmet just because it has some fancy artwork.

Each to their own - find a helmet that you are happy with.

Mr Sheen!

My missus loves polishing my helmet. I'm happy with that.

CJhaughey

Mr Sheen! wrote: »

My missus loves polishing my helmet. I'm happy with that.

Does she use Mr Sheen to polish it?

Mr Sheen!

CJhaughey wrote: »

Does she use Mr Sheen to polish it?

Spit Polish :eek:

dav32cs

As said it doesn't matter how much the helmet costs if it is the wrong size. At another point, trying to equate the safety of a helmet strictly with the price is a very simple and misinformed way to look at things. The majority of crashes are at low grade (20-40mph)survivable speeds so the gap between brands will be relatively minor, the higher speed ones its not going to matter what helmet you're wearing...Comparing safety to price is like saying you'll be safer in your 200k Mercedes compared to a 30k Audi even though they might have very similar SAFETY quality's but vastly different SPECS which lead to the price difference . Also a good article below( which eventually led the writer to being fired over advertising threats from big brand helmet makers)
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motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Articles/MotorcyclistHelmets.html

dav32cs

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

As I said would not trust the sharp tests at all, have seen 1st hand the state of 5 star sharp lids after the smallest offs up in cross and by the owner. I'll will stick to my Arai all the same.

As said by another user a helmet like the one you described could have done its job perfectly by spreading the force of impact out and around over a helmet that may show no damage but because the shell was too stiff it absorbed the impacted directly into one area rather than spreading it out. The important bits to look at after a crash are inside the helmet and not outside anyways

szatan84

dav32cs wrote: »

As said it doesn't matter how much the helmet costs if it is the wrong size. At another point, trying to equate the safety of a helmet strictly with the price is a very simple and misinformed way to look at things. The majority of crashes are at low grade (20-40mph)survivable speeds so the gap between brands will be relatively minor, the higher speed ones its not going to matter what helmet you're wearing...Comparing safety to price is like saying you'll be safer in your 200k Mercedes compared to a 30k Audi even though they might have very similar SAFETY quality's but vastly different SPECS which lead to the price difference . Also a good article below( which eventually led the writer to being fired over advertising threats from big brand helmet makers)
Enter http:// before to see link as it won't allow me
motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Articles/MotorcyclistHelmets.html

That link is actually the best review of helmet safety I ever read. Well done.