New Irons

FixdePitchmark

Lads have been looking at buying new irons for a while, was on JPX800 from when off 12 - but want to try these.

Look a great deal ?

http://www.halpennygolf.com/mizuno-mp59-irons-4pw-p-1263.html

Anyone playing them - have hit them a few times.

Anyone ever go from R300 to S300 - on shafts and how did they find it.

dan_ep82

Hit them a few times in Celbridge driving range, really nice club if not the most forgiving but shouldn't matter for your strike.

Distance wise they're very similar to my old AP2's and current CB's but I think shorter by about half a club than your current irons, so probably 5yds or so less carry ?

As for the shafts, didn't notice a whole lot of difference in feel, the R300's went a little high for me and prefer the feel but I'd say its very subjective. I play well with the S300's so I prefer just to stick with them

Im sure going by the book the s300's would suit you better but its not always the case going by recent articles I've read, I'd try both anyhow

FixdePitchmark

Jaysus dan you know your clubs.

Is an impressive deal ?

dwd

I've had a set for the last 2 years, and I still love them, beautiful at address and a great feeling clubs, I've lightweight nippon 950 stiff shafts in mine, rather than s300 mainly due to a shoulder injury though. The distance difference Dan mentioned is down to the fact that the lofts are about 2 deg higher on each club compared to the average cavity back, closer to the classic iron lofts.

Price wise I think they're over stating the discount a bit, I think I paid around 800/850 for the 3-PW set, so it's still a good price but closer to 33% cheaper than what I paid 2 years

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Jaysus dan you know your clubs.

Is an impressive deal ?

I just like hitting clubs haha.

I played (during one of my good periods) with my brothers old MP58's (the predecessors) with R300 and the MP59's in S300 in the range (grass) on another good day. Being honest even on a good day they were a little outside my strike as my miss is usually slightly bottom to toe side and the loss of distance was too much for me compared to the CB's which (really surprisingly) are quite good from there.

As for feel compared to the JPX 800's (hit those too swith PX 5.5) you will feel it more when you don't catch it well but it won't rattle your hands as much as you think. Out the centre they're like most forged and feel awesome, but most clubs from the centre feel/sound the same I think bar the odd one.

Looks, probably half the top line looking down? They have quite a thin line on top and a medium to thin sole which is nice for the slightly heavy shots. Overall blade size is smaller which I really prefer in the short irons, it doesn't help, just like it more :pac:

Price wise for brand new irons its not bad considering the prices of some of them but they did come out in 2011 ( I think) so you might find some on adverts but being forged it'll be hard getting a clean set but not impossible for around 300-400

Whyner

Excellent price for a beautiful set of irons, I'd do the dirt on my current set with those

the lawman

Gonna be in the market soon enough Fix so keep us posted on what you go for. These were in my mind alright, they look great.

cgh

they look good,
Im looking at upgrading my Titleist 690Cb's soon,
must give those a try too.
I like the feel of the Callaway Apex pros, very nice to hit, but very pricey

9to5

cgh wrote: »

they look good,
Im looking at upgrading my Titleist 690Cb's soon,
must give those a try too.
I like the feel of the Callaway Apex pros, very nice to hit, but very pricey

I hit a lot of new irons this year. MP54, 850 Boron, H5, JPXEZ, Miura, Nike ProCombo but the Apex Pro were the pick of the bunch.

dar_cool

Do it!!! Its about time you start playing with proper irons:P:D

FixdePitchmark

dar_cool wrote: »

Do it!!! Its about time you start playing with proper irons:P:D

Yes , a lad nearly hit me last year when he seen I was on GI irons.

No it is more to kill a curiosity as opposed to thinking I'll improve. But, you never know.

I know where my problems are in my game , this is not a major one. But on the same irons for 4 years now. Served me very well and basically halved my handicap.

But , I do find a well struck JPX mid iron , say an 8 - has a large variabiltiy in distances I mean 140 to 160 yards, I know this is mostly my swing. But will be interesting to see flight and distance control change.

Also, to shape a ball left to right or right to left with them , I find I've to have a very exaggerated body line to shape them at all, maybe a load of balls , but will find out.

BTW - don't get me wrong - JPX a great club for improving, a great club. Particularly if distance an issue. They are hot on the face, too hot is my curiosity, can feel a bit clunky.

But, everything and everyone says distance control is better on irons targeted at lower handicap players - I must admit , I have a little bit of doubt about that.

It will be a while yet as, to hit them for a while and try S300 and R300 etc.

I've never played a forged iron, and was thinking, have to try one at some stage.

Could run crying back to the old ones. (lol)

ryaner777

Extra €100 off tomorrow in mcguirks

http://www.mcguirksgolf.com/p/mizuno-mp-59-7-steel-irons-mens-right-hand/mi4c311mrhos

That could be the sweetner !

Russman

JPX can feel a little clunky off the face alright IMO, a good forging will feel much better, if it's hit out of the middle.
Only you can decide on what balance of forgiveness Vs feel you want.

Don't get hung up on necessarily needing "players clubs" though. Plenty of top guys playing GI irons.

FixdePitchmark

ryaner777 wrote: »

Extra €100 off tomorrow in mcguirks

http://www.mcguirksgolf.com/p/mizuno-mp-59-7-steel-irons-mens-right-hand/mi4c311mrhos

That could be the sweetner !

Looks like someone looking out for me.

Signed sealed delivered.

dar_cool

ha sorted, you can hit mine next time were out, when hit well there is a savage feel off them!!! id defo go s300 for you.

dan_ep82

ryaner777 wrote: »

Extra €100 off tomorrow in mcguirks

http://www.mcguirksgolf.com/p/mizuno-mp-59-7-steel-irons-mens-right-hand/mi4c311mrhos

That could be the sweetner !

It would be rude not too at that price to be fair

FixdePitchmark

dar_cool wrote: »

ha sorted, you can hit mine next time were out, when hit well there is a savage feel off them!!! id defo go s300 for you.

I was thinking that dar . But swung them tonight.

Went well but a bit harder feel on off hits .

Anyway. Worth a try for a laugh.

Sure at that price. I'll get money back.

opinionated3

On a side issue i think us left handers are really isolated when these special offers come out. Nothing of note there for us. ....

FixdePitchmark

Thanks lads for tips and comments.

Some deal I got.

Golfgraffix

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Why did you change J - how did you find jpx overall.
Maybe post in new irons thread.

I had the jpx fitted for an old swing, probably a bad idea at the time as I new it was not a swing I was gonna move forward with.

Its also a bit of vanity, I do love new clubs. I had a rental set of Ap2's during the summer and I loved the look of the smaller head and they felt like my old callaway forged irons. I know it sounds silly for an 11 handicap but I would be very much a feel player and forged irons seem to give me more confidence.

At the PGA show last week I hit almost every club you can think of and nothing felt as good as the ap2

Also tried out the 915 driver and was impressed

J

FixdePitchmark

Golfgraffix wrote: »

I had the jpx fitted for an old swing, probably a bad idea at the time as I new it was not a swing I was gonna move forward with.

Its also a bit of vanity, I do love new clubs. I had a rental set of Ap2's during the summer and I loved the look of the smaller head and they felt like my old callaway forged irons. I know it sounds silly for an 11 handicap but I would be very much a feel player and forged irons seem to give me more confidence.

At the PGA show last week I hit almost every club you can think of and nothing felt as good as the ap2

Also tried out the 915 driver and was impressed

J

Performance wise J - what did you make of JPX.

I've never had a forged set myself, or an S flex on irons, so will be all new.

Going to get a 915 , when they hit near 200 - or 2nd hand.

FixdePitchmark

Got the clubs today.

So had to hit them - headed down for 12 holes, was cold cold, and windy windy, cross wind. So not exactly a day to study flight.

But was pleasantly surprised how well I hit them - a big change, to change shafts and clubs, club type, and lofts a little different all at once, so going to take time and recalibration of everything.

Definitely a club , maybe 2 shorter, than jpx, but early to call that , at one stage I hit 4 5 irons and remarkably all in an exact line distance wise ( only 2 or 3 yards) - this was not the case with old clubs.

So all new, seems to be more left to right, on a par 3 at end, I definitely made sure of a more aggressive release and this left to right was almost gone. Both balls within 8 feet , so that was a nice finish.

So - could be a big mistake, but sure a bit of fun too.

A big part of my game in the past, was a long, big iron off tee - not sure I will get that from these - but will wait to make that call.

Anybody here a view , on change to s300 ball flight wise ? - also if these clubs will have less offset. Does less offset change things ?

They look nice, but it will not be about looks for me.

All new.

Russman

Congrats on the clubs, best of luck with them.

IMHO you won't see a massive difference going from R to S if it's the same shaft. Some difference for sure, but not huge. They'll probably feel a little firmer and less lively and are slightly heavier. Flight will probably be a little lower.

Give them time, there's not much in golf quite as nice as a mizuno forging !!
You could always keep your jpx 3/4/5 irons in the bag, then go to the blades.

ryaner777

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

A big part of my game in the past, was a long, big iron off tee .

Whats the new plan for the 12th in corballis now ?

You'll need to re-write your course guide !

9to5

I played mizzys for a few years and one word of advice. Have the lies checked! Its easy for them to be all over the place when u buy off the shelf. plus mizunos can be a little flatter than other brand so I would consider having them put to 1 or two degrees upright depending on your swing

FixdePitchmark

Russman wrote: »

Congrats on the clubs, best of luck with them.

IMHO you won't see a massive difference going from R to S if it's the same shaft. Some difference for sure, but not huge. They'll probably feel a little firmer and less lively and are slightly heavier. Flight will probably be a little lower.

Give them time, there's not much in golf quite as nice as a mizuno forging !!
You could always keep your jpx 3/4/5 irons in the bag, then go to the blades.

Do notice flight lower - I was low before , but no harm the courses I play.

Definitely feel the more solid shaft.

Yes - one of the other lads a few months back told me a blend work well - but will give it a few months and review.

My 5 iron in JPX was favourite club - would mill that and could get it over 200 yards when hit well - was a big part of my game - so not going to let that go easily. One of the lads mentioned HB5 s etc, but will not worry about that for a month or so.

The problem I had with jpx - , they let my swing away with murder, great club like that - that seems a strange thing to say, but felt I could swing very erratically and hit them fairly well, but the distance variation was unreal - PW honestly 135 to 160 yards. Mad stuff. I've been swinging a little better - so felt a bit more confident hitting power backs and tested a few at range, was very impressed with solid flight.

I asked a good few lads about why they play "players clubs" - they told me it was mostly flight and distance. There is no chance i'd go near a blade blade, just not good enough.

So this winter have tried to cage the animal in me - reduce tempo , have a swing. It could be a bit early for these clubs, but were cheap and I've just a genuine curiosity about it.

No big deal if it doesn't work out - almost will get money back , and back to the big dogs if so.

I'm still not fooling myself - my real work is coming up in Feb - March , short game mania.

FixdePitchmark

ryaner777 wrote: »

Whats the new plan for the 12th in corballis now ?

You'll need to re-write your course guide !

5 - 8 - PW , looks gone Ryaner , back to the drawing board for full course.
1st hole now a 5 iron

Anyone in my group - take me on now

dan_ep82

I would have called your flight medium to high with the JPX?

As you said yourself, give them a little time, your 4i should replace your 5i in loft

FixdePitchmark

dan_ep82 wrote: »

I would have called your flight medium to high with the JPX?

As you said yourself, give them a little time, your 4i should replace your 5i in loft

But Dan - I've seen bigger spoons

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

But Dan - I've seen bigger spoons

Bah, you'll adjust. A JPX looks huge to me, give it a few games and they'll look normal

How do they feel compared to the JPX?

I think most clubs feel soft but the sound of a forged club is something I really like.

FixdePitchmark

So two big range sessions.

The experiment continues. I'm going to be totally honest in the review and not butter it up - because of the so called buttery feel.

The other thread there - clubs outside GI irons not getting a good reputation. Many stories of lads off 6/7 falling apart. Alarming

First day on range cross wind - again ball drifting from straight to right. It is cold out, but amazing how shorter the clubs are - there is a marker at 200 yards on range and last week - 5 iron to there most of the time. I think only one 4 iron got out there - so it is about 10 % less distance.

So lofts a little weaker, stiffer shafts , and no hot face.

The PW is going about 115 yards - last pw was 130 +.

The club shafts feel a little shorter, will have to measure this.

So initially this loss of distance was alarming. But - I did start to notice that the flight height is far more consistent and as a result the ball seems to be in a nearer range and dispersion. (I'll need time on a grass range I can pace out or gps this)

The 2nd session - I started to have a think of why I went s300 - It was because I have a fast swing speed. I realised that s300, is not something you can be too gentle on. As in the club had me a little hesitant and this was not helping my natural swing speed.

I started to lose a little fear of the clubs and size and started to swing as I was swinging last week. Then I just sort of start getting that connection, almost feeling the contact and compression. Had a run of 20 great strikes.

Then got adventurous, set up for a draw and let a 4 iron go, great flight - was interesting, mid height powerful draw.

46 degree pw is very close to my 48 volkey - so will have to think about that in club yardage progression .

So only thing left to work out is ball drifting right, was a slight wind but seemed too much.

I'm thinking that the offset is a little different on these, or the shaft change or my alignment and club aim/eye may need time to learn. (early yet)

I did manage to get it straighter with a sense of releasing a bit more aggressively
I had a tendency to hook with old clubs if I did this.

So interesting - a bit of fun. The truth will be on the course - but will give it time.

Today was the day I was starting my short game program
No - will not let it overly distract the plan.

I picked a good time to do this - as not much golf going on at present.

dar_cool

You can get your lofts adjusted with forged irons so you could adjust if you wanted, I wouldnt take much heed of the distance the ball is travelling in this weather either, its baltic out!!!

Ciaranra

When I used forged I lost distance,
The only plus I found with them apart from looking great was the consistency in yardage,

Webbs

I am using a borrowed set of MP-60s over the winter to try and improve my ball striking. I found the same as you Fix that I have to fully commit to the release to get the best from them.
I have a set of Cobra S9 GI clubs that have been using for years and there is definitely 2 club difference in the distance. I am finding that hard to adjust to (taking a 5iron instead of 7 is hard to take mentally!). But the distance and dispersion control is so much better with the Mizunos.
When funds allow I will be looking at getting the JPX825 or 850 pros as the balance between forgiveness/distance and consistency of dispersion seems best to me in that set.

markie4

All you need from any set of irons is consistent distance control, it doesn't matter what number is on the bottom of the club!
Once you know that your "average" PW is 110 or 125 or whatever, that's what your looking for. You don't want something occasionally blasting off the face that overhits by 20 yards.
As you mentioned with the 5-iron shots, you're already seeing more distance control, so I'd definitely be positive about changing.

WRT to forged irons, I wouldn't be overly concerned either way, everybody seems to love their Vokeys and they're cast

Ciaranra

Agree its all about knowing your yardage and makes no difference what club you hit,
But how often with cavity iron do you get that 20 yard over hit really, 1 in 100 maybe,
And I have 3 vokeys and do love them, but I don't play them like my irons,
I grip right down weight little more on left foot, more a half swing,
And if your going to get a shank it starts with vokey in most cases,:(

dan_ep82

markie4 wrote: »

All you need from any set of irons is consistent distance control, it doesn't matter what number is on the bottom of the club!
Once you know that your "average" PW is 110 or 125 or whatever, that's what your looking for.

WRT to forged irons, I wouldn't be overly concerned either way, everybody seems to love their Vokeys and they're cast

On distances I couldn't agree more with the above. When I went from R11's to AP2's I lost a club length but I just take an extra club.

My Clevelands are forged but the vokey I played for a while felt just as good. Plus my 60° is slightly rusting on the bounce but I still love them.

FixdePitchmark

So over 600 balls hit now with them.

Getting more and more confident. Very consistent ball flight, still a little tendency to float right.
Noticed I was gripping them too tight. Tying to relax more and getting more relaxed with them.
They have a consistent flight, no doubting it, almost two clubs shorter, but the range far more compressed. Beginning to enjoy it , and very happy how quick things have come on.

The really lose one right or left is not there any more, think this is the shaft - definitely feeling it in hands, but this is more me holding them too tight and hitting too many balls.

At end of practice - tested hitting 5 draws , then 5 fades - and was very happy to be actually able to do that, or even consider doing it. Have never had something like that in my game, wouldn't know how to use it to be honest. Well would have an idea - but a bit losing the run of myself (lol)

So a break now and test them on course properly - not expecting too much , but will give it a go.

Taking a break now - finished off with an hour of putting.

Short game now.

But happy the way it has gone.

Serious bit of yardage work required. The only sensible way to do this is a laser (hell has frozen over) - Anyone know where you can get a game golf.
May find one in Corballis.

I'm sure to be off 12 by June.

FixdePitchmark

The Big - any chance of a pm

Need to see you about a dog

TheDoc

Have you put any striking tape on them during practice?

If your finding plenty of shots drifting of right, you might not be striking the ball correctly. I wouldn't exactly believe Mizunos claim to having " a forged like feel by cavity back forgiveness".

I'd probably say most people hit a fade naturally, so it might be your previous irons were infact more forgiving or compensating, a forged iron isn't going to do that for you really.

I actually had a bash of a forged set of irons last week messing about. Have maintained I won't go back to them any time soon after a horror experience, but there is something special about when you strike a forged iron cleanly.

alxmorgan

TheDoc wrote: »

Have you put any striking tape on them during practice?

If your finding plenty of shots drifting of right, you might not be striking the ball correctly. I wouldn't exactly believe Mizunos claim to having " a forged like feel by cavity back forgiveness".

I'd probably say most people hit a fade naturally, so it might be your previous irons were infact more forgiving or compensating, a forged iron isn't going to do that for you really.

I actually had a bash of a forged set of irons last week messing about. Have maintained I won't go back to them any time soon after a horror experience, but there is something special about when you strike a forged iron cleanly.

I don't understand why a forged iron would be any less forgiving. I have a set of Mx 200s and they are plenty forgiving. Not a huge cavity but a decent size nonetheless.

SEORG

TheDoc wrote: »

Have you put any striking tape on them during practice?

If your finding plenty of shots drifting of right, you might not be striking the ball correctly. I wouldn't exactly believe Mizunos claim to having " a forged like feel by cavity back forgiveness".

I'd probably say most people hit a fade naturally, so it might be your previous irons were infact more forgiving or compensating, a forged iron isn't going to do that for you really.

I actually had a bash of a forged set of irons last week messing about. Have maintained I won't go back to them any time soon after a horror experience, but there is something special about when you strike a forged iron cleanly.

Do you mean blades or forged?.
I have a set of JPX 800 Pro's that are forged, have a cavity and are also plenty forgiving

dan_ep82

I've hit plenty of forgiving irons like the above 800 Pro's, even the AP2's are forgiving. Forged is usually used in the better players clubs but some clubs use them in more GI irons.

As for checking strike, lie might be worth checking but the 800's would have a good bit less off set compared to the 59's so it may take a more exaggerated release. I'd imagine after a few weeks you'd hook the 800's

TheDoc

Ugh sorry, I always read forged and immediately think blades, since that is what they were for years

Carry on!

FixdePitchmark

TheDoc wrote: »

Have you put any striking tape on them during practice?

If your finding plenty of shots drifting of right, you might not be striking the ball correctly. I wouldn't exactly believe Mizunos claim to having " a forged like feel by cavity back forgiveness".

I'd probably say most people hit a fade naturally, so it might be your previous irons were infact more forgiving or compensating, a forged iron isn't going to do that for you really.

I actually had a bash of a forged set of irons last week messing about. Have maintained I won't go back to them any time soon after a horror experience, but there is something special about when you strike a forged iron cleanly.

Will do -

I have changed two things at once - shaft from R to S 300. Never clever to change two thing at once in any experiment.

I would have a fear - S300 is too stiff as too stiff a shaft would go right ?

I typically hit stiff driver shaft, had hit stiff in these irons and was grand, but the more and more balls I hit - certainly going right.

I would have a tendency to be outside too - so will perhaps get a pro to look at everything.

Early , yet, but a little worry S is wrong.

9to5

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Will do -

I have changed two things at once - shaft from R to S 300. Never clever to change two thing at once in any experiment.

I would have a fear - S300 is too stiff as too stiff a shaft would go right ?

I typically hit stiff driver shaft, had hit stiff in these irons and was grand, but the more and more balls I hit - certainly going right.

I would have a tendency to be outside too - so will perhaps get a pro to look at everything.

Early , yet, but a little worry S is wrong.

S300 is v.stiff no doubt, plus they are 130g. Stout would be a good word!
Personally a 6i was my borderline for DGs300. Couldn't really hit 5i well, wheras I have MPH5 in 3 iron with a 110g KBS stiff shaft and its no problem.

I personally see a place for mixing shafts in your set as for most people they already are mixed. For eg long iron replacements like TM UDI and Mizuno H5 will have different shafts, your wedges probably have s300 already. And many shaft manufacturers already inbuild changes halfway through a set wrt kickpoint/stepping etc. I think anything down to the 8i in S300 is a benefit in terms of dispersion. You could consider changes then if you were worried.

However Have you hit off grass yet? Cos this will change your perception of them no doubt. Plus hitting range balls in winter is not a good indicator.

And to put everything in perspective Kuchar and Snedeker use 95g graphite shafts dont they?

Ciaranra

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Will do -

I have changed two things at once - shaft from R to S 300. Never clever to change two thing at once in any experiment.

I would have a fear - S300 is too stiff as too stiff a shaft would go right ?

I typically hit stiff driver shaft, had hit stiff in these irons and was grand, but the more and more balls I hit - certainly going right.

I would have a tendency to be outside too - so will perhaps get a pro to look at everything.

Early , yet, but a little worry S is wrong.

Your putting the time in if the irons don't improve your game practice will,
I don't think the flex of the shaft should be an issue, the only difference I found with shaft flex in irons, the stiffer less distance for me,
Maybe on the course when your bit more relaxed you might get better results
You could be over doing it on the range,

dan_ep82

Completely disagree that s300 play very stiff, I find them quite soft and very comparable to kbs tours if just a little stiffer.

Project X I (PXi) play stiffer for example, I'd put them in very stiff while being lighter.

I'd get your pro to check your lie and have him look at your swing, I'd bet it's one or the other that's the issue. Having seen your swing I think the shafts will be no problem and you could play a stiffer shaft without issues if you wanted.
Ther r300 and s300 play very similar, I have an mp58 with r300 and compared to my cbs s300 the only difference is a slightly lower more penetrating flight

FixdePitchmark

Ah yes - way too early.

But I was on the same range with same balls last week - so just initial observations.
Did read if too stiff will go right.
Will not be jumping in at all, on course in am.

dan_ep82

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Ah yes - way too early.

But I was on the same range with same balls last week - so just initial observations.
Did read if too stiff will go right.
Will not be jumping in at all, on course in am.

They say stiffness can effect the release but I only ever had an issue (striking well on the day) using X100 which would be like a PXi 7.0, mcilroy uses 6.5's by comparison

FixdePitchmark

Thanks lads for al the posts.

It is all mental in a way - so much of this game is.

A lad whose opinion I respect on the game, told me last night, it would be a good move for my game - sometimes you need to hear that sort of stuff.

Got to course this morning - closed - had to hit range again , towards end of another 100 balls - I did the ultimate sin and hit old club just to look at the difference. On the range, it honestly was remarkable how shorter they , look. There was only one solution to the frustration, got in car and hit Corballis - class weather for it.


As others said above, did need to hit a course, I know that course as well as any and know all my clubs there. So perfect place to test them. No GPS.

First hole normally in this weather an 8 - hit 7 went through back, was pleasantly surprised - par.
2nd normally 8 - hit 8, AI position - par

Next, good drive, 8 iron onto green par - next hole wedge, lipped out for birdie .

Next hole normally hit 5 , 6 in good conditions, hit 6 - as far up as ever, 4 putt bloody green (lol) - ignored that and went, this has gone very very well - half expected a nightmare.

I knew 9 there would be a good test for distance - pin middle - normally 5/6 iron. So said, ok do your normal thing - hit 6 to 15 feet, and holed it. This was turning into serious fun.

So ended the 13 in 4 over, just bad putting - played basically as well as I can play there.

So interesting week - I didn't need to change, but just wanted to try something new.

The distance falls off dramatically if not well hit, but the flight and distance control seems very positive. The big big iron going too far seems gone, and the big big right or left not there today at all.

So - that went as well as I could have hoped. Early yet, but happy.

So - forgetting about it now, and getting on with short game.

Thanks lads.