Balinteer Road - Changes coming..

homer911

New traffic lights at Wesley College roundabout and College Park..

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,11427,en.html

Better or worse? you be the judge..

Submissions invited by Friday 27th February

Tabnabs

Better, IMHO, that junction really brings gridlock to the Ballinteer Ave and Ballinteer Rd approaches.

But absolute chaos for traffic when they go at the junction

Aard

I love how the proposed cycle lanes come to an end a few metres before the 5-lane junction!

This is right beside two school entrances (Wesley and Tiernan's). Aren't we trying to encourage kids to cycle to school more? How is disimproving cycle infrastructure while accommodating a 5-lane junction helping with school safety? I mean they're even doing a CPO simply to get more lanes for cars. Cars cars cars -- Dundrum Dundrum Dundrum!

homer911

Aard wrote: »

This is right beside two school entrances (Wesley and Tiernan's). Aren't we trying to encourage kids to cycle to school more?

I understand very few kids actually cycle to Wesley any more - they used to have a huge bike shed but its just used for storage now

iseegirls

The signalised junction instead of the roundabout sounds great. At the moment, it's a horrible roundabout to get through - especially coming from Balinteer Road way. If you want to go straight through, should I go into the left lane or the right lane? There is really not enough space for 2 cars to be going around at the same time around the roundabout.

Same when coming from Wyckham Way to go to Balinteer Avenue. I'm always mounting the small kerb on the roundabout, whenever a car is on the left of me - as it's way too small there.

RebelButtMunch

iseegirls wrote: »

The signalised junction instead of the roundabout sounds great. At the moment, it's a horrible roundabout to get through - especially coming from Balinteer Road way. If you want to go straight through, should I go into the left lane or the right lane? There is really not enough space for 2 cars to be going around at the same time around the roundabout.

Same when coming from Wyckham Way to go to Balinteer Avenue. I'm always mounting the small kerb on the roundabout, whenever a car is on the left of me - as it's way too small there.

If you want to go straight through a roundabout you stay in the left(outside) lane unless signposted otherwise. The right(inner) lane is for turning right or doing a u-turn via the roundabout.

Fratton Fred

Do what I do, straddle both lanes just in case.

LXFlyer

Putting in a signalled junction will be a huge improvement, particularly during the morning and evening peak hours for the local bus routes too.

Dublin Bus routes 14, 75 and 116 all suffer from severe congestion, and getting out of Ballinteer Avenue can be a nightmare for the bus drivers.

LXFlyer

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

If you want to go straight through a roundabout you stay in the left(outside) lane unless signposted otherwise. The right(inner) lane is for turning right or doing a u-turn via the roundabout.

Unless I'm missing something, in Ireland the left lane is on the inside and the right lane is on the outside - are you getting your left & right mixed up?

RebelButtMunch

A picture paints a thousand words so it's said

LXFlyer

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

A picture paints a thousand words so it's said

Absolutely and the left lane is indeed on the inside and the right lane is on the outside in that picture, rather than what you said earlier!

RebelButtMunch

lxflyer wrote: »

Absolutely and the left lane is indeed on the inside and the right lane is on the outside in that picture, rather than what you said earlier!

That's funny. I would have said the left Lane is on the outside of the road. Thankfully my driving was right and my description was arseways.

bucketybuck

iseegirls wrote: »

The signalised junction instead of the roundabout sounds great. At the moment, it's a horrible roundabout to get through - especially coming from Balinteer Road way. If you want to go straight through, should I go into the left lane or the right lane?

It doesn't matter what lane you choose, some twat will still try to cut past you on the other one. Its a horrible roundabout.

iseegirls

bucketybuck wrote: »

It doesn't matter what lane you choose, some twat will still try to cut past you on the other one. Its a horrible roundabout.

Glad someone else feels the same.

ted1

lxflyer wrote: »

Absolutely and the left lane is indeed on the inside and the right lane is on the outside in that picture, rather than what you said earlier!

The left is the outside. The right is in the inside on the round about.

Tabnabs

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

A picture paints a thousand words so it's said

That diagram is about a million miles away from the reality of the junction we are discussing in this thread unfortunately.

Far smaller, much busier and a random low brick verge (can I mount it? Is it just for decoration?). Hence why it doesn't work and they have to completely redesign the entire thing.

greenbicycle

This is great news, I hate that roundabout. coming out of ballinteer Avenue or wesley college is very difficult because of traffic coming on/off the M50 and streaming through the roundabout giving no chance for people coming out of the other roads.

One thing i would really love to see is something put in place that prevents people who intend on going straight from using the right hand lane on wyckham way approching the roundabout. the right lane is for turning right on to ballinteer avenue but so many smart arses use the right lane in order to skip the queue of traffic going straight and then stop the righthand lane of traffic when they get almost to the top as they try to edge their way back into the left lane, it drives me nuts!!!!

Larbre34

I wouldn't hold your breath on this, if the consultation is just going out now, it will be 2017 before you see the works beginning.

RebelButtMunch

greenbicycle wrote: »

This is great news, I hate that roundabout. coming out of ballinteer Avenue or wesley college is very difficult because of traffic coming on/off the M50 and streaming through the roundabout giving no chance for people coming out of the other roads.

One thing i would really love to see is something put in place that prevents people who intend on going straight from using the right hand lane on wyckham way approching the roundabout. the right lane is for turning right on to ballinteer avenue but so many smart arses use the right lane in order to skip the queue of traffic going straight and then stop the righthand lane of traffic when they get almost to the top as they try to edge their way back into the left lane, it drives me nuts!!!!

yep. It also doesn't help that there exists permanent ' bus lane not in operation' bus lanes there too.

dogmatix

So in other words, they are reverting to the ballinteer avenue/ballinteer road layout in use prior to 2000. With some changes of course - four way junction and 5 lanes instead of the then two. Also looks like they are closing off the Wesley exit - I assume the exit is being moved to the cul-de-sac lane and the lane becoming a two lane road.

All in all it will be a big improvement - espcially if you are coming from the avenue or trying to get out of Wesley.

BTW - I hate the sneaky f**kers who (illegally) use mayfield terrace as a rat run to avoid the junction!

RainyDay

homer911 wrote: »

I understand very few kids actually cycle to Wesley any more - they used to have a huge bike shed but its just used for storage now

Are you sure? We got the tour there last year, and I recall a large bike shed.

iseegirls wrote: »

The signalised junction instead of the roundabout sounds great. At the moment, it's a horrible roundabout to get through - especially coming from Balinteer Road way. If you want to go straight through, should I go into the left lane or the right lane? There is really not enough space for 2 cars to be going around at the same time around the roundabout.

Same when coming from Wyckham Way to go to Balinteer Avenue. I'm always mounting the small kerb on the roundabout, whenever a car is on the left of me - as it's way too small there.

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

If you want to go straight through a roundabout you stay in the left(outside) lane unless signposted otherwise. The right(inner) lane is for turning right or doing a u-turn via the roundabout.

Tabnabs wrote: »

That diagram is about a million miles away from the reality of the junction we are discussing in this thread unfortunately.

Far smaller, much busier and a random low brick verge (can I mount it? Is it just for decoration?). Hence why it doesn't work and they have to completely redesign the entire thing.

A bit of common sense applies. The vast majority of the traffic is heading to/from the M50 and/or Dundrum Town Centre. If you are coming down Ballinteer Road, it makes a lot more sense to use the left hand lane for traffic heading onto Ballinteer Ave, and use the right hand lane for traffic heading to Wyckham Way or Wesley. There isn't really room for two lanes around the roundabout, so this avoids any chance of that.

The reverse applies for traffic coming up Wyckham Way towards the roundabout. The right hand lane is clearly marked for right turn only, and the left hand lane is for traffic going into Wesley or onto Ballinteer Road. Which of course doesn't stop one smartarse just about every time I go through this taking the right hand lane to skip the queue in the left, and then cutting back into the left on or near the roundabout.

I've seen folks also take the right hand lane, then do the full loop of the roundabout to head into Wesley or cut back into traffic heading up Ballinteer Road.

I always assume that the low-kerb roundabout is designed to be used - to be driven over. Isn't that the whole purpose?

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

yep. It also doesn't help that there exists permanent ' bus lane not in operation' bus lanes there too.

I know, it's crazy. You can always tell the locals from the visitors by seeing who uses the bus lane. Having said that, there was a Garda Traffic Corps car with lights flashing and 3 or 4 cars pulled in at the end of the not-a-bus-lane bus lane on Wyckham Way one day last week. I've no idea what he could have been hassling them for, given that it's not a but lane.

dogmatix wrote: »

Also looks like they are closing off the Wesley exit - I assume the exit is being moved to the cul-de-sac lane and the lane becoming a two lane road.

Are you sure? I didn't get that from the diagram.

dogmatix wrote: »

All in all it will be a big improvement - espcially if you are coming from the avenue or trying to get out of Wesley.

I hate the sneaky f**kers from Wesley who use the neighbouring residential areas as a set-down/pick-up area, and block the junctions morning and afternoon waiting for their little darlings.

dogmatix wrote: »

BTW - I hate the sneaky f**kers who (illegally) use mayfield terrace as a rat run to avoid the junction!

Just to clarify, it's not illegal to cut through Mayfield. It is illegal to left turn from Ballinteer Ave into Mayfield during morning rush hour, but there is nothing to stop folks coming up from Bhagwans cutting through, or folks coming from Hilton Gardens direction.

Idbatterim

I live just down the road from this, is it not a bit much to be giving out about people using shortcuts, due to the joke that is this "roundabout" put the blame at the planners... A single lane carriageway connecting the M50 and what I assume is the most visited shopping centre in the country!

RainyDay

Idbatterim wrote: »

I live just down the road from this, is it not a bit much to be giving out about people using shortcuts, due to the joke that is this "roundabout" put the blame at the planners... A single lane carriageway connecting the M50 and what I assume is the most visited shopping centre in the country!

Shopping traffic isn't really the issue here, apart from maybe a couple of hours on a Saturday. The real issue is commuting traffic heading to and from the M50.

Aard

There's plenty of employment in Dundrum, both retail and offices, that generate peak hour travel demand.

RainyDay

Aard wrote: »

There's plenty of employment in Dundrum, both retail and offices, that generate peak hour travel demand.

Very few retail staff in Dundrum have access to parking, and very few retail staff can afford to pay €15-€20 a day for parking. I'm not sure about the offices, but I really hope the planners didn't allow huge amounts of car parking for offices that have possibly the best public transport connections in the city.

dogmatix

I work in the offices - and they did'nt provide very much parking. What little spaces there are are withdrawn during December/January as DTC want to maximise parking space for paying shoppers.

Unless you are Renault on the 6th floor - they seem to have ample parking spaces for their 151 and 152 renaults!

greenbicycle

RainyDay wrote: »

Shopping traffic isn't really the issue here, apart from maybe a couple of hours on a Saturday. The real issue is commuting traffic heading to and from the M50.

Actually shopping traffic is a huge issue, on weekends (particularly wet weekends), school holidays or times like christmas. I try to completely avoid the road between the M50 and the shopping centre at those times and it is just queues of cars travelling to and from the town centre. And its not just a couple of hours on a saturday it is satruday and sunday from 10am up until about 5pm.

The other side of course is just regular traffic made up of people working all over the dundrum area who are coming to and from the M50.

Long before there was anything like shopping centres and M50's Dundrum had a lot of traffic at peak times, coming down the old ballinteer road was very slow going back in the 80's and 90's it is just simply the volume of people living in the area who had to travel through dundrum to get to work/school and now alot of that is displaced up onto the M50 but it still needs to get to the M50 through that one road.

homer911

Looks like works have started just in time for the back-to-school traffic..

http://www.dlrcoco.ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,12106,en.html

Dardania

I commute this way every day - i feel for the poor unfortunates living in the estates e.g. Delbrook & College Park trying to get out (and usually slow down to let them, if the oncoming traffic permits) - this signalling will surely benefit them. AN instance where I don't mind traffic lights being put in place.

I particularly like how the 5 way junction is done - seems fair enough (although I'm sure there will be smart types going into the left turn lane for Balinteer Avenue, then continuing straight, which could cause tension if the bus lanes are ever reactivated)

greenbicycle

ugh, just had a look at the plan there, it doesnt benefit people who want to turn right onto ballinteer avenue coming up from dundrum at all now. currently the right lane the whole way up from the wyckham point roundabout is for those turning right, meaning we dont (usually) have to wait behind traffic going onto the m50. but now both lanes are heading to the M50 until you get to the top where you filter into a third right turning lane. this makes the M50 traffic a greater impact on locals who are now further delayed because of increased traffic. I am not happy!

Menas

greenbicycle wrote: »

ugh, just had a look at the plan there, it doesnt benefit people who want to turn right onto ballinteer avenue coming up from dundrum at all now. currently the right lane the whole way up from the wyckham point roundabout is for those turning right, meaning we dont (usually) have to wait behind traffic going onto the m50. but now both lanes are heading to the M50 until you get to the top where you filter into a third right turning lane. this makes the M50 traffic a greater impact on locals who are now further delayed because of increased traffic. I am not happy!

I came here to post this very thing. It's going to be a pain for locals taking that right turn and may move more local traffic thru the ludford estate..which is what I will be doing.

LXFlyer

Menas wrote: »

I came here to post this very thing. It's going to be a pain for locals taking that right turn and may move more local traffic thru the ludford estate..which is what I will be doing.

Or perhaps you could be more considerate towards local residents and not do that - it might be worth waiting until the road works are completed before rushing to judgments.

RainyDay

Menas wrote: »

I came here to post this very thing. It's going to be a pain for locals taking that right turn and may move more local traffic thru the ludford estate..which is what I will be doing.

Even apart from the anti-social aspect, it is hard to see how you could save time by coming through Ludford.

greenbicycle

lxflyer wrote: »

Or perhaps you could be more considerate towards local residents and not do that - it might be worth waiting until the road works are completed before rushing to judgments.

RainyDay wrote: »

Even apart from the anti-social aspect, it is hard to see how you could save time by coming through Ludford.

While it is annoying for local residents to have people driving through you can understand why it would happen.i live in a local estate where i will be effected with people taking shortcuts however there is no point in getting angry on a board with people who are just being honest about their intentions.

Going through ludford will clearly save time for anyone living beyond ludford like broadford or lewellyn etc. i don't think anyone needs to wait and see what will happen before "rushing to judgement" it is already obvious it is going to be a significant inconvenience.

Dundrum and ballinteer have already suffered at the expense of the shopping centre and m50 (and benefitted too i suppose) this road issue is just making it worse.

RainyDay

I'd have thought that if rat-running traffic becomes a serious problem in Ludford or Wyckham, they will just bring down the barriers at Meadowbrook sports centre.

dogmatix

RainyDay wrote: »

I'd have thought that if rat-running traffic becomes a serious problem in Ludford or Wyckham, they will just bring down the barriers at Meadowbrook sports centre.

I had heard that those barriers have been broken for a while – but if enough rat-runners appear they might repair them I suppose. But would ludford be a viable shortcut? Coming from Dundrum you first have to get onto the old ballinteer road, then up through ludford, then through the old ‘rec? Might be quicker just to wait in the queue at the bypass.

greenbicycle

dogmatix wrote: »

I had heard that those barriers have been broken for a while – but if enough rat-runners appear they might repair them I suppose. But would ludford be a viable shortcut? Coming from Dundrum you first have to get onto the old ballinteer road, then up through ludford, then through the old ‘rec? Might be quicker just to wait in the queue at the bypass.

I think it definitely would be shorter because the queues of traffic generally become a problem once you get passed/onto the roundabout at wyckham point so it is easy to come off at that point and head into ludford and cut across.

yeah they probably will start closing those barriers, there is a residents association recently set up in the estate and I am sure they will ensure that the barrier is used.

what about the other rat runs though, mayfield terrace, woodpark etc will they all be blocked off? its such an inconvenience for everyone in all of these estates either put up with excessive traffic in the estate or cut off an entrance into the estate.

really the problem should be solved at source and that means reinstating the right turn only lane on wyckham way.

bucketybuck

greenbicycle wrote: »

I think it definitely would be shorter because the queues of traffic generally become a problem once you get passed/onto the roundabout at wyckham point so it is easy to come off at that point and head into ludford and cut across.

yeah they probably will start closing those barriers, there is a residents association recently set up in the estate and I am sure they will ensure that the barrier is used.

Except that closed barriers will also affect the residents of the estates as well. I lived in there and used to frequently go through Meadowbrook to get home in the evenings. That was coming from the M50, but it still made a lot more sense for me than sitting in traffic on the Ballinteer road.

greenbicycle

bucketybuck wrote: »

Except that closed barriers will also affect the residents of the estates as well. I lived in there and used to frequently go through Meadowbrook to get home in the evenings. That was coming from the M50, but it still made a lot more sense for me than sitting in traffic on the Ballinteer road.

Yes I agree, it will be an inconvenience for people in estates to have an entrance blocked off but to not do it will mean putting up with excessive traffic coming through.

this is why I am saying the only way to combat this is to fix the reason for it happening that is the longs queues of traffic on the ballinteer road and dedicating a lane to local traffic who want to turn right into ballinteer will help.

I presume we have missed the boat in terms of giving feedback to planners?

bucketybuck

greenbicycle wrote: »

Yes I agree, it will be an inconvenience for people in estates to have an entrance blocked off but to not do it will mean putting up with excessive traffic coming through.

this is why I am saying the only way to combat this is to fix the reason for it happening that is the longs queues of traffic on the ballinteer road and dedicating a lane to local traffic who want to turn right into ballinteer will help.

I presume we have missed the boat in terms of giving feedback to planners?

I'm not sure I agree. Is the traffic really going to increase that much through Ludford?

You say that those turning right will now be stuck in the queue waiting, but I thought the whole idea is that the queue is now shorter because the new road layout is designed to get the traffic flowing towards the M50 quicker. Most of the cars going up the right lane are just cutting in at the roundabout anyway, what sort of volume is turning right there? Enough to make traffic cutting through Ludford unmanageable?

Personally speaking I think I'd rather have the better flow away from Dundrum with the new road layout and also leave the barriers open.

greenbicycle

bucketybuck wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree. Is the traffic really going to increase that much through Ludford?

You say that those turning right will now be stuck in the queue waiting, but I thought the whole idea is that the queue is now shorter because the new road layout is designed to get the traffic flowing towards the M50 quicker. Most of the cars going up the right lane are just cutting in at the roundabout anyway, what sort of volume is turning right there? Enough to make traffic cutting through Ludford unmanageable?

Personally speaking I think I'd rather have the better flow away from Dundrum with the new road layout and also leave the barriers open.

I am not sure what it will be like going through ludford but the residents must have noticed some increase already as comments are being made about it here and I suppose in fairness there are already two people who have said they will now take that route so maybe it will? its not a route I would need to take.

I dont think it will make the queue shorter at all for traffic turning right it will share the volume of traffic across two lanes now instead of leaving the right lane free for local traffic. yes many people use the right lane and then cut into the lane at the top, they do this because the queue is shorter. this is a point I made a few weeks ago that something needs to be done about that such as putting in a median or something.

yes the way they have done it is moving traffic away from dundrum a little faster but in doing that ballinteer locals are being inconvenienced, it is just pushing the problem further away from dundrum.

bucketybuck

greenbicycle wrote: »

I dont think it will make the queue shorter at all for traffic turning right it will share the volume of traffic across two lanes now instead of leaving the right lane free for local traffic. yes many people use the right lane and then cut into the lane at the top, they do this because the queue is shorter. this is a point I made a few weeks ago that something needs to be done about that such as putting in a median or something.

I wouldn't underestimate this at all. A huge factor in delaying that queue of traffic is those going up the right hand lane and then swinging fully around the roundabout to continue on towards the M50. With that happening constantly and because of the rules of roundabouts the queue is stopping constantly to let those people past. Take that away and you should have a far more steady stream of traffic moving on and shorter queues as a result.

And this is also only an issue at rush hour, but if the barriers are used again at Meadowbrook that will affect residents all day. Those genuinely turning right for Ballinteer will indeed be inconvenienced, but only to an extent and even then I'm not sure its enough to justify action in other areas.

greenbicycle

bucketybuck wrote: »

I wouldn't underestimate this at all. A huge factor in delaying that queue of traffic is those going up the right hand lane and then swinging fully around the roundabout to continue on towards the M50. With that happening constantly and because of the rules of roundabouts the queue is stopping constantly to let those people past. Take that away and you should have a far more steady stream of traffic moving on and shorter queues as a result.

And this is also only an issue at rush hour, but if the barriers are used again at Meadowbrook that will affect residents all day. Those genuinely turning right for Ballinteer will indeed be inconvenienced, but only to an extent and even then I'm not sure its enough to justify action in other areas.

Yes I see that roundabout trick all the time along with those who just dangerously bully their way into the left lane on the roundabout and continue straight without going around the roundabout. I do agree that they are contributing to the traffic in the right lane and delaying people getting onto the roundabout.

I suppose we are both just speculating and we dont really know what will happen in terms of volumes of traffic and where they go.

either way I dont think we can dispute that there will be more traffic in the right hand lane (it will probably equal the left hand lane) and so it will inconvenience local people who want to turn right.

actually I wonder will the light be a filter light to turn right and if there is a queue of right turners will it hold up people in the right hand lane who want to go straight?

I think the residents of Ludford will definitly want that barrier down, really it doesnt inconvenience them to have it down as they rarely use it as an exit, it will be more of a inconvenience for people who use it as a through road like yourself.

people in woodpark and mayfield terrace however will see increased volumes and regularly use all exits on their roads so will be inconvenienced either way.

( its hard to know if I am speaking clearly enough in these posts with talk of estates and right turns and exits etc, must be confusing to follow!!! :-) )

bucketybuck

greenbicycle wrote: »

I think the residents of Ludford will definitly want that barrier down, really it doesnt inconvenience them to have it down as they rarely use it as an exit, it will be more of a inconvenience for people who use it as a through road like yourself.

Not so much a through road in that sense, I only live a few hundred yards from the barrier. While I would most often be going out past Wyckham park road, there would be plenty of times I would go right instead and through the barrier out into Ballinteer. And the other direction in the evenings of course.

Is it a rat run if I actually live there.

greenbicycle

bucketybuck wrote: »

Not so much a through road in that sense, I only live a few hundred yards from the barrier. While I would most often be going out past Wyckham park road, there would be plenty of times I would go right instead and through the barrier out into Ballinteer. And the other direction in the evenings of course.

Is it a rat run if I actually live there.

Which barrier are we talking about? the one at the church kinda beside the priests house? or the one beside the five aside football pitch? if you live near the priests house actually in ludford or in wyckham over near the football pitches that is probably fair enough but if you live in broadford or hillview or somewhere else I think you would probably be considered a rat runner! esentially if you drive threough one estate to get to another you are using the drive through estate as a rat run.

so I think that what they would do is block off the road at the five aside and leave the one beside the priests house open.

not sure how long you have lived in the area but there was never a through road at the five aside pitches in the past and the ludford residents typically dont go out there as it is only recently (a few years) available. also there used to be a through road from ludford up onto ballinteer drive (going up behind superquinn) the ludford residents got that blocked off as it was a rat run into ballinteer, you can see the bollards are there blocking it off. so with that in mind I wouldnt put it past them to prevent this type of rat run again.

greenbicycle

or maybe I have it wrong. if they block off the priest house one it closes it off to everyone coming through ludford but leaves those living in wyckham able to use it as an exit to ballinteer if they want it. one of them will be closed anyway

dogmatix

Is Woodpark a viable rat run? - the only exit onto the ballinteer road from Woodpark is near the main M50 roundabout and getting out of that exit is difficult due to traffic volumes on the ballinteer road.

greenbicycle

dogmatix wrote: »

Is Woodpark a viable rat run? - the only exit onto the ballinteer road from Woodpark is near the main M50 roundabout and getting out of that exit is difficult due to traffic volumes on the ballinteer road.

Its a frequently used rat run, particularly when people come off the M50 and turn left into woodpark and drive through to get to ballinteer.

It is difficult to come out of woodpark and turn right onto the M50 for a lot of the day but ironically during peak traffic times it is ideal as the traffic does not enter into the yellow box making it easy to get out and so lots of people use it to avoid traffic using the main road. this is used by locals mostly not by normal traffic travelling up from dundrum.

There were speed monitors across both main roads in Woodpark there a week or two ago. I assume this is because it has become such a big problem for residents with people speeding through the estate using it as a through road.

xaforb

The Wesley Roundabout revision is not happening now. It is for a later date in Phase 2 of the works. The reason why the current Phase 1 of the works is happening quickly now is to try to assist the local residents in getting out of their estates.

This wouldn't be necessary but for the utter selfishness of the 1000's of motorists coming off/heading to the M50 mostly at crazy speeds day after day and especially at weekends never considering for one second that someone from one of the estates off Ballinteer Road is trying to get out onto the road. It's not that they don't see the cars trying to get out. They actually speed up and fill in any gap in case they might be delayed by 10 seconds. It is a nightmare for the locals. In addition to the new traffic lights at College Park there will be a median reducing the width of the road immediately north of the M50 roundabout that will slow you lot to a crawl all the way down to Wesley. I can even see the queue to Dundrum going right back on to the M50 at busy times. It will be a pleasure to watch it happen .

RainyDay

xaforb wrote: »

The Wesley Roundabout revision is not happening now. It is for a later date in Phase 2 of the works.

Do you have a source for this?

xaforb

RainyDay wrote: »

Do you have a source for this?

I would have but this board won't allow me post links. However, if you put "dlrcoco." in front of the following you'll see it all.

ie/media/media,11428,en.pdf

The maps are towards the bottom.

The last I heard no date has been fixed for Phase 2 but I'm sure it won't be too long afterwards.

For info on start date Phase 1 "dlrcoco." in front of

ie/newsevents/latestnews/title,12106,en.html