War on terrorism , 9-11, Iluminati etc

stevowhelo1

Hey guys,
As of recent I've been doing some research into the war on terrorism and illuminati and various other subjects . The point of my post is to see general opinions on a number of topics. All opinions not to be abused or made fun of . We all have the right to an opinion, so let's not make it an online feud. So my questions are as followed:

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

I appreciate your feedback happy posting fellow board members.

Kevin McCloud

Too many questions for a sunday nite op, go to bed.

Links234

Do Hitler's clones walk among us?

The Backwards Man

I believe I can fly

Karl Stein

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

No.

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

No. Check out 'Operation Mockingbird' for a genuine conspiracy to influence public opinion.

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

Yes.

Charlie19

1. No
2. No
3. No

catbear

There will be a car to collect you in 5 minutes.

wretcheddomain

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

All opinions not to be abused or made fun of.

Why did you come to AH then?

So my questions are as followed:

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

No.

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

No.

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

Yes.

/thread

ItsLikeThis

No
No
Yes

BMJD

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

. All opinions not to be abused or made fun of

feck it anyway

Frank Bullitt

The Backwards Man

I believe for every drop of rain that falls a flower grows

Kevin McCloud

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I believe I can fly

Dont drink and fly.

The Backwards Man

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Dont drink and fly.

That's only applicable to loop the loops

DoYouEvenLift

I believe in the flying spaghetti monster

endacl

Do we not have a forum for paranoid delusions?

wretcheddomain

endacl wrote: »

Do we not have a forum for paranoid delusions?

Yes - it's called After Hours. I'm guessing you thought it was something else - and that proves the point. :pac:

stevowhelo1

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Too many questions for a sunday nite op, go to bed.

Quiet unfortunate that you'd dismiss a post so fast Kevin. Just remember that there are other people like me who have an interest in the various different topics stated above .

Duggy747

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

Nope

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

No, it's gross over-analyzing / anomaly hunting. Any celebrity death these past few years have seemed to be attributed to a NWO assassination to the point that you'd almost think no celebrity actually died of natural causes / suicide / accident / etc.

Robin Williams death had so many scenarios tied to it that it verged into insanity; He knew something about Big Pharma / Illuminati / The Occult / He's not actually dead / etc.

Or that NATO have access to satellites that can fine tune into the frequency of the brain and can flip any negative thought at the flick of a switch or hit a killswitch if that person is close to the truth.

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

Yes but some people are convinced they are all actors and their videos are filmed in green rooms.

The Backwards Man

I believe my shirt is wearing thin

wretcheddomain

If the US knew in advance of 9/11, it would simply be surplus to requirements to actually ensure the buildings came down. Let's assume they did have prior knowledge, the US would have reason enough from that act alone to do as they wish in terms of foreign policy. It'd be stupid at the very least to make sure the buildings came down just to ensure they could really invade Iraq and Afghanistan etc. This is just simple logic.

mawk

I mostly believe in Harvey Dent

ItsLikeThis

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

Quiet unfortunate that you'd dismiss a post so fast Kevin. Just remember that there are other people like me who have an interest in the various different topics stated above .

I think you will find them over in Conspiracy Theories

Karl Stein

endacl wrote: »

Do we not have a forum for paranoid delusions?

The thing is though that there are conspiracies. People conspired to create the conditions for the invasion of Iraq in (2003). The Gulf of Tonkin Incident didn't happen but helped get the US public behind the Vietnam war. There were proposals to blow up US airliners and blame it on the Cubans to justify an invasion, and so on and so on.

JaseBelleVie

The Truth Is Out There!

I Want To Believe!

The Backwards Man

Whatever happened to Chris Isaak? That's a conspiracy I'm interested in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqLhnDuwst0

Kevin McCloud

The Backwards Man wrote: »

That's only applicable to loop the loops

Time for another music thread.

stevowhelo1

Some good opinions tonight. The questions I've asked aren't from my own personal beliefs, just from what conspiricy theorists have put out there

The Backwards Man

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Time for another music thread.

A wise man once wrote

And nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all
The needle returns to the start of the song
And we all sing along like before
And we'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow

Karl Stein

The idea that people were able to rig the Twin Towers with explosives and then set them off exactly at the point where the airliners hit simply doesn't stand to reason.

You just could not keep a conspiracy of that magnitude quiet.

stevowhelo1

Karl Stein wrote: »

The idea that people were able to rig the Twin Towers with explosives and then set them off exactly at the point where the airliners hit simply doesn't stand to reason.

You just could not keep a conspiracy of that magnitude quiet.

Does it make logical sense though for something like a plane to take down a sturdy structure such as a building?
A lot of questions un answered and may never be answered .

MOH

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

Does it make logical sense though for something like a plane to take down a sturdy structure such as a building?
A lot of questions un answered and may never be answered .

Or they will be answered but some people just won't be satisfied

biko

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

You forgot
Vaccinations
Fluoride
Chemtrails
Jimmy Hoffa
The Bermuda Triangle
Marilyn Monroe
JFK
Santa

Victor

Charlie19 wrote: »

1. No
2. No
3. No

Margaret?

kneemos

biko wrote: »

You forgot
Vaccinations
Fluoride
Chemtrails
Jimmy Hoffa
The Bermuda Triangle
Marilyn Monroe
JFK
Santa

Silence.

That's definitely a conspiracy.

Menas

biko wrote: »

You forgot
Vaccinations
Fluoride
Chemtrails
Jimmy Hoffa
The Bermuda Triangle
Marilyn Monroe
JFK
Santa

Elvis. He also forgot Elvis. For shame.

ScumLord

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

All opinions not to be abused or made fun of

Boooooo!!!

so let's not make it an online feud.

Feud! Feud! Feud! Feud! Feud! Feud!

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

Which heads of which state? Why would the transient employees of a state body spend so much effort when they'll be in another job in two years time. Politicians don't play long games, they only have to survive the public's scrutiny for a number of years, they don't actually care about world order.

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

Subliminal messaging doesn't work for a start. Who cares what celebrities say and secret orders never stay secret.


I don't think there are global conspiracies as such, I'm sure different groups work together but are fairly open about it. The rest is just side effects of markets drawing rich people together so they can get richer together.

Calibos

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

Does it make logical sense though for something like a plane to take down a sturdy structure such as a building?
A lot of questions un answered and may never be answered .

So let me get this straight. You can't grasp how a metal Boeing 767 weighing 400,000 pounds carrying 90,000 litres of kerosene hitting a building at 600 kilometres an hour could possibly damage a building enough to bring it down but have no problem grasping that a few pounds of C4 could?

galwayrush

1-No
2-No
3-Yes

Potatoeman

A good conspiracy just needs to be believable and very hard to prove one way or the other.

gandalf

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

1. Do you believe 9-11, Boston Bombing and various other events were planned for the benefit of corrupt people or heads of state?

No, absolutely not.

2. Is there such thing as a new world order or illumiti that controls the minds of people through subliminal messaging and were various celebrities killed for speaking out ?

No! Did you watch John Carpenters "They Live!" too many times?

3. Do you believe that ISIS or ISIL actually exists?

Yes of course they exist and they exist because of the incompetence of the various countries that have meddled in the Middles east over the last 50 years.

There is a forum specifically for these kind of things on boards. You would probably get a more "interesting" response there.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

wretcheddomain

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

Does it make logical sense though for something like a plane to take down a sturdy structure such as a building?
A lot of questions un answered and may never be answered .

A lot of questions may be unanswered, but that's the nature of many large scale investigations. Not to know the answer to one question does not invalidate the answers to the questions of which we do have solid answers.

We know, for example, that the nineteen hijackers made it on board the planes. We have CCTV footage of the individuals in question. We also have calls from those inside the planes informing us the planes were being hijacked. Thus, at the very base minimum, we can agree that a hijacking by Islamist terrorists took place. Terrorists who, by the way, had a history of hijacking and apparent motivation to attack the US.

What you're asking us to believe is that not only did this hijacking take place - an already foul act - but that this act had to be assisted in order to bring the towers down. This begs the question of what purpose would it serve the US government to bring the towers down, as opposed to just simply letting the hijacking occur in the first place.

There is no such purpose. Assume the buildings didn't come down for whatever reason, the US would still have had sufficient motivation to invade Afghanistan for its own reasons. It would still have been able to extend this to Iraq in the way that it did. Actually guaranteeing that the buildings came down would not have had any impact on the foreign policy of the United States.

So, in conclusion, what do we have?

• Evidence that 19 Islamist terrorists were involved in hijacking.
• Video evidence that the planes crashed into the buildings in question.
• No evidence or logic, nor any reason to suggest, the US government would assist this project by lacing the buildings with explosives.

In other words, the debate shifts from logic and common sense to arguments about the nature of architecture. I don't really need to know the exact material mechanism of how the buildings came down - or even if it remained an architectural mystery for life - as what I do know, the evidence I've hitherto marshalled, is sufficient enough to reject any conspiratorial guff.

chewed

The fact that Building 7 (which was not damaged by any of the planes hitting, and accidentally (??) went on fire) was obviously brought down by controlled explosives, raises a lot of questions as to how the towers collapsed so quickly!

The_Valeyard

Governments are too incompetent to pull off stuff like that.

BlimpyBoy

chewed wrote: »

The fact that Building 7 (which was not damaged by any of the planes hitting, and accidentally (??) went on fire) was obviously brought down by controlled explosives, raises a lot of questions as to how the towers collapsed so quickly!

It went on fire after being hit by heavy debris from the North tower collapse.

Building 7 was on fire for most of the day and collapsed that evening.

Controlled explosives me hole.

chewed

wretcheddomain wrote: »

So, in conclusion, what do we have?

• Evidence that 19 Islamist terrorists were involved in hijacking.
• Video evidence that the planes crashed into the buildings in question.
• No evidence or logic, nor any reason to suggest, the US government would assist this project by lacing the buildings with explosives.

Who said it was the US Government?

wretcheddomain

chewed wrote: »

Who said it was the US Government?

I'm referring to the conspiracy theory that the US government was involved. There are many other such theories, but I'm specifically focussing on that one. I thought that would have been obvious.

kneemos

chewed wrote: »

The fact that Building 7 (which was not damaged by any of the planes hitting, and accidentally (??) went on fire) was obviously brought down by controlled explosives, raises a lot of questions as to how the towers collapsed so quickly!

You can't expose supporting girders and strap huge volumes of explosives to them all over the building without people looking up from their computers and saying "hey look they're going to blow up the building"and continue with their emails.

chewed

kneemos wrote: »

You can't expose supporting girders and strap huge volumes of explosives to them all over the building without people looking up from their computers and saying "hey look they're going to blow up the building"and continue with their emails.

Have you seen the video footage of that building collapsing? Buildings on fire just don't collapse to the ground in hours!

Calibos

chewed wrote: »

Have you seen the video footage of that building collapsing? Buildings on fire just don't collapse to the ground in hours!

I despair.

cml387

stevowhelo1 wrote: »

Hey guys,
As of recent I've been doing some research looking up stuff on the internet into the war on terrorism and illuminati and various other subjects .

I think I fixed this for you.