From Isis to the Civil Service

reprise

Jihadists returning to Örebro Municipality will get psychological help.

And not only that: Tvärsnytt now reveals that the municipality council are discussing giving them jobs

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.676/sweden-to-reward-returning-isis-jihadists.html

Call me old fashioned, but I think I would prefer the traditional approach with the competency tests etc. Am I too old school?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

The GI Bill worked for the US after a war, so why not these guys?

the nikkei is rising

I got permabanned from here on my first post here for making a joke about the civil service looking after returning jihadists, had to go and get a binding UN resolution to get the mod in question to see the light.

If you're reading this post mod,

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW?

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW!

Sheep Lover

They'd be great lads for doing a bit a pruning to unruly hedging. Or maybe barbers? Be careful for what you ask for though, the "bit off the top" could be misinterpreted

SeanW

reprise wrote: »

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.676/sweden-to-reward-returning-isis-jihadists.html

Call me old fashioned, but I think I would prefer the traditional approach with the competency tests etc. Am I too old school?

You're not a multicultural leftist, I'm guessing ...

The Diabolical Monocle

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

I got permabanned from here on my first post here for making a joke about the civil service looking after returning jihadists, had to go and get a binding UN resolution to get the mod in question to see the light.

If you're reading this post mod,

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW?

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NANKaS_86xU

Dr. Bre

the civil service wha

RobYourBuilder

Savannah Gorgeous Home wrote: »

The GI Bill worked for the US after a war, so why not these guys?

The GI's were returning from fighting the Nazis. These lads are returning after a bit of rape, murder, head hacking and pillaging. You can't compare the two. The apologism on here for Islamic terrorists is utterly baffling.

inforfun

Same bright idea was brought up in Holland as well.
Give them a place to live, money/job and so on.

I liked Wilders' idea better: make sure those ****s dont enter the country ever again

DEFTLEFTHAND

Not surprising considering it's Sweden.

reprise

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Not surprising considering it's Sweden.

For now...

stunmer

We in Europe are making catastrophic errors in how we deal with Islam.

Sweden especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXCb1VUBDg

reprise

SeanW wrote: »

You're not a multicultural leftist, I'm guessing ...

No. I was thrun out of the left for not supporting open borders and ordered to open concentration camps, turn ultra religious, oppress women and minorities and a raft of other super fun things that they keep telling me, comes with the territory. :cool:

The Th!ng

The only help they should get is a bullet between the two eyes as soon as they step off the plane.

DeadHand

reprise wrote: »

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.676/sweden-to-reward-returning-isis-jihadists.html

Call me old fashioned, but I think I would prefer the traditional approach with the competency tests etc. Am I too old school?

Sweden is possibly the most slavishly multicultural of Europe's nations, perhaps as a result of guilt over it's past flirtations with Nazism.

The results of this untrammeled immigration and subsequent appeasement of and pandering to the new, burgeoning Muslim population?

Upwardly spiraling rape figures, the disappearance of the Malmo Jews under intimidatory pressure from that unhappy city's Muslim community and a demonstration in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo atrocity not in solidarity with the murdered, not in defense of free speech but, bizarrely, against Islamophobia.

Now this suicidal nonsense.

Wish I could say I was surprised.

Sonderkommando

This video made me laugh, http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hwh6Hq0tHRA.

end of the road

inforfun wrote: »

I liked Wilders' idea better: make sure those ****s dont enter the country ever again

its unworkable. to many ways they can get back in. and if they are from the country the country has no right to stop them from coming home, as they are that countries problem and responsibility, nobody elses. plenty of prison spaces for them instead

end of the road

The Th!ng wrote: »

The only help they should get is a bullet between the two eyes as soon as they step off the plane.

can't be done. doing so would be condoning and legitimizing their acts of murder

kowloon

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The GI's were returning from fighting the Nazis. These lads are returning after a bit of rape, murder, head hacking and pillaging. You can't compare the two. The apologism on here for Islamic terrorists is utterly baffling.

In fairness, they did give some of the Nazis jobs too, mainly in the science and engineering sector.

inforfun

end of the road wrote: »

its unworkable. to many ways they can get back in. and if they are from the country the country has no right to stop them from coming home, as they are that countries problem and responsibility, nobody elses. plenty of prison spaces for them instead

Most of them can be stopped in Hollands case as they are from Moroccan decent.
Morocco hands out passports to all them, no matter where they are born.

So take away their Dutch citizenship by cancelling their Dutch passport and you are very well on your way to stop them from coming back.

RobYourBuilder

kowloon wrote: »

In fairness, they did give some of the Nazis jobs too, mainly in the science and engineering sector.

49.8% of all non Europeans in Sweden are not economically active. Perhaps they should be more focused on getting them into the workforce instead of a bunch of head hackers.


http://www.euractiv.com/sections/social-europe-jobs/non-eu-citizens-twice-likely-be-unemployed-303834

reprise

end of the road wrote: »

can't be done. doing so would be condoning and legitimizing their acts of murder

Ah well, shure they wuddnt be around to get pissy about it.

DeadHand

kowloon wrote: »

In fairness, they did give some of the Nazis jobs too, mainly in the science and engineering sector.

They did. The third Reich's most brilliant scientists and engineers who, while they indirectly aided it, were physically far from any of the rape and murder carried out by that regime. They were personally harmless. They would have generally been law abiding men, eager to aid America in return for being rescued from the hardship of living under the Soviets.

These returning Jihadists will mostly be actual rapists and murderers who despise the society they are returning too and want to destroy it. They will be mostly dependent on social welfare.

Do you see the difference?

humanji

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

I got permabanned from here on my first post here for making a joke about the civil service looking after returning jihadists, had to go and get a binding UN resolution to get the mod in question to see the light.

If you're reading this post mod,

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW?

CAN YOU SEE ME NOW!

MOD: No, you were banned for trolling a thread about people being executed by terrorists. I can re-apply the ban if you still want to troll, or you could give it a rest.

kowloon

DeadHand wrote: »

They did. The third Reich's most brilliant scientists and engineers who, while they indirectly aided it, were physically far from any of the rape and murder carried out by that regime. They were personally harmless. They would have generally been law abiding men, eager to aid America in return for being rescued from the hardship of living under the Soviets.

These returning Jihadists will mostly be actual rapists and murderers who despise the society they are returning too and want to destroy it. They will be mostly dependent on social welfare.

Do you see the difference?

I do see the difference, but you may not be able to see the difference between my post and a serious one. Luckily, we won't have to have this clarification again next time around. I'm not sure ISIS have many scientists in their ranks.

RobYourBuilder

stunmer wrote: »

We in Europe are making catastrophic errors in how we deal with Islam.

Sweden especially

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thXCb1VUBDg

The question is; are we replicating their mistakes?

end of the road

inforfun wrote: »

Most of them can be stopped in Hollands case as they are from Moroccan decent.
Morocco hands out passports to all them, no matter where they are born.

So take away their Dutch citizenship by cancelling their Dutch passport and you are very well on your way to stop them from coming back.

your not on your way at all. taking away their Dutch citizenship or
cancelling their Dutch passport if they are actually from the country is shoving hollands responsibility to someone else. meaning they legitimize these people and condone and want them to bring terror on the world. lots of things can be done but doesn't make them legitimate.

Venus In Furs

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The question is; are we replicating their mistakes?

Here in Ireland? Can't see how.

kowloon

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Here in Ireland? Can't see how.

We probably have enough extremists if they divide the country between the pair of them.

BMJD

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

The question is; are we replicating their mistakes?

no, no, not at all, sure we'll just give them more money and it'll be grand

inforfun

end of the road wrote: »

your not on your way at all. taking away their Dutch citizenship or
cancelling their Dutch passport if they are actually from the country is shoving hollands responsibility to someone else. meaning they legitimize these people and condone and want them to bring terror on the world. lots of things can be done but doesn't make them legitimate.

Of course it is legitimate.
Moroccans cant get rid of their Moroccan passport no matter how hard they try.

So taking away their Dutch citizenship doesnt make them stateless.

While the mayor of Rotterdam, who is holding a Dutch and Moroccan passport, might say he is Dutch first, then Moroccan, i ll bet you these idiots who go on jihad will tell you they are Moroccan and only are Dutch when it is convenient to them.

The holder of this passport gave the right example.

DeadHand

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Here in Ireland? Can't see how.

People are under the mistaken belief that we here in Ireland are some how so tolerant and our Muslim community so particularly clement that we don't experience these problems.

This isn't the case. It's all to do with numbers. We don't yet have large enough Muslim community to see the Islamic strife caused in other European countries. Our Muslim population will become progressively more militant, belligerent and demanding no matter how they are treated. It's a situation we've seen all over Europe, the higher the proportion of Muslims in the population the more social disharmony caused by that community.

Take Sweden. No country was more welcoming, more inclusive, more submissive to it's Muslim immigrants. Look at Sweden now. A deeply divided, unhappy country. Entire sectors of cities Islamified. Jews being driven out. Ethnically Swedish women suffering a disproportionately high rate of assault and rape at the hands of Muslim men. No go areas for non-Muslims. Swedish youths flocking to join the barbarity in the Middle East, eager to bring some home with them.

Still, the appeasement continues. The Swedish reaction to the Charlie Hebdo outrages was not to condemn militant Islam or defend press freedom but to rail against the right wing. As if they were killing people or destroying the country.

It'll come to Ireland eventually. We've seen the start of it with Dr.Ali feeling able to demand backward changes to the Irish education and dictate to the Irish people, along with threats, what we should and shouldn't read and write.

Sweden is drowning under a tide of "diversity". It's a little further up the road than other European nations but we're all following in the same direction as the "tolerant" (yet, ironically, deeply intolerant of dissenting opinions), "liberal", left wing, politically correct dogma still dominates all discourse on the subject and stifles any reasoned debate.

The Backwards Man

Are there any sources for this that aren't from a neo-Nazi rag?

reprise

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Are there any sources for this that aren't from a neo-Nazi rag?

Around here, it's considered good manners to address your concerns to specific posters comments.

Thank you...... Mr. Godwin?

The Backwards Man

reprise wrote: »

Around here, it's considered good manners to address your concerns to specific posters comments.

Thank you...... Mr. Godwin?

Can you answer my query?

reprise

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Can you answer my query?

I've no idea what it is or who it's addressed to.

The Backwards Man

reprise wrote: »

I've no idea what it is or who it's addressed to.

It's addressed to you and well you know it.

Have you any sources to corroborate your OP?

You know, less biased ones.

reprise

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's addressed to you and well you know it.

Have you any sources to corroborate your OP?

You know, less biased ones.

How is my original source biased?

It's quoting this source:

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/kommunen-vill-ge-jobb-till-is-krigare-1/

Is this biased too?

Just to be clear, are you saying this story is fabricated?

DeadHand

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Are there any sources for this that aren't from a neo-Nazi rag?

Sterling effort there, shut the discussion down quickly by screaming Nazi at people if where it's going offends your pro-immigration, politically correct sensibilities.

RobYourBuilder

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Are there any sources for this that aren't from a neo-Nazi rag?

Just because you dislike what a media outlet reports, doesn't make it a "neo-Nazi rag".

Venus In Furs

While I completely understand people's concern about islamic fundamentalism and it spreading, Speise doesn't exactly seem like the most balanced of publications in fairness.

Also, pro-immigration doesn't automatically mean being ok with absolutely anyone being allowed to migrate here.

Politically correct isn't always a bad thing either. For example, it had Irish people living in Britain in the 1970s in mind.

DeadHand

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's addressed to you and well you know it.

Have you any sources to corroborate your OP?

You know, less biased ones.

reprise wrote: »

How is my original source biased?

It's quoting this source:

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/kommunen-vill-ge-jobb-till-is-krigare-1/

Is this biased too?

Just to be clear, are you saying this story is fabricated?

Looks like he walked backwards out of that argument as fast as he could.

Saipanne

Venus In Furs wrote: »

While I completely understand people's concern about islamic fundamentalism and it spreading, Speise doesn't exactly seem like the most balanced of publications in fairness.

Also, pro-immigration doesn't automatically mean being ok with absolutely anyone being allowed to migrate here.

Politically correct isn't always a bad thing either. For example, it had Irish people living in Britain in the 1970s in mind.

It's the rhetoric drowned in idealism that put people off the idea, I think. Where's the realism? Where's the acknowledgement that lumping ideologies that are, by definition, opposed to each other will probably lead to societal tensions?

RobYourBuilder

Venus In Furs wrote: »

While I completely understand people's concern about islamic fundamentalism and it spreading, Speise doesn't exactly seem like the most balanced of publications in fairness.

Speisa. You don't even know the name of the publication yet you're able to decide if it's reliable or not. Bravo!


If he linked to a Swedish source, people would complain that it's in Swedish. But here's one anyway: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/tvarsnytt/kommun-hjalper-is-krigare

The Backwards Man

DeadHand wrote: »

Looks like he walked backwards out of that argument as fast as he could.

Na, I made my point. It seems hysterically tilted websites and the Swedish version of the News Of The World are evidence enough to start a debate these days.

Venus In Furs

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Speisa. You don't even know the name of the publication yet you're able to decide if it's reliable or not. Bravo!

Ooh, I mis-spelled it - you have one hundred per cent OWNED me!
(How can I not know the name when I looked directly at it? ).

From reading it (that's how you figure out these things) it's plain as day to anyone with eyes that it's extremely biased. Guess that's ok when it's a bias you agree with though.

RobYourBuilder

It's a translation of the article I linked to. "Owned" what are you, twelve?

RobYourBuilder

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, I made my point. It seems hysterically tilted websites and the Swedish version of the News Of The World are evidence enough to start a debate these days.

It's a translation from an article published by SVT. SVT is the Swedish national broadcaster.

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/tvarsnytt/kommun-hjalper-is-krigare

DeadHand

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, I made my point. It seems hysterically tilted websites and the Swedish version of the News Of The World are evidence enough to start a debate these days.

I reread your posts, still can't find the point you claim to have made besides an immediate and uninspired godwinning of the thread.

At least wait until you've lost (wouldn't have taken long) before reaching for Godwin!

crockholm

Venus In Furs wrote: »

Ooh, I mis-spelled it - you have one hundred per cent OWNED me!
(How can I not know the name when I looked directly at it? ).

From reading it (that's how you figure out these things) it's plain as day to anyone with eyes that it's extremely biased. Guess that's ok when it's a bias you agree with though.

They are looking into it and following on a similar Project done by the Danish city of Århus.

The Backwards Man

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

It's a translation from an article published by SVT. SVT is the Swedish national broadcaster.

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/tvarsnytt/kommun-hjalper-is-krigare

A regional, unsubstantiated report from last Monday, replicated on two other sites of dubious intention. Seems verifiability is not as finely practised an art as when I went to school, but whatever, carry on.