How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

Kiwi in IE

noway12345 wrote: »

Yes but we don't have much else to go on.

What do you mean 'we don't have much else to go on'? You made this statement in response to someone telling you that the line of argument you are perusing is irrelevant to the referendum. Surely if your only reason for opposing it is not relevant, then it would make sense to not oppose it?

BlitzKrieg

supposably we are bullying the poor priests in the catholic church:http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ordinary-citizens-are-being-intimidated-into-voting-yes-to-same-sex-marriage-1.2195522?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

oh and some are pulling out the classic *political correctness gone too far* buzz that tends to get people riled up: http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/avoid-triumph-of-political-correctness-over-mother-nature-328052.html

ohnonotgmail

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

supposably we are bullying the poor priests in the catholic church:http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/ordinary-citizens-are-being-intimidated-into-voting-yes-to-same-sex-marriage-1.2195522?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

oh and some are pulling out the classic *political correctness gone too far* buzz that tends to get people riled up: http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/avoid-triumph-of-political-correctness-over-mother-nature-328052.html

how exactly do you bully somebody into voting yes? do you have to stand over them while they cast their vote?

jobbridge4life

campingcarist wrote: »

In my opinion it is about redefining marriage which should not be done. In a marriage, the two parties involved can procreate which is impossible with same sex couples.

And so we return yet again to this canard. 'In a marriage, the two parties involved can procreate' except for the millions and millions of marriages where they can't including the infertile and the elderly. Even still it is not and never has been a requirement of marriage that children be produced. So why target gay people for extra exclusion?

campingcarist wrote: »

I have absolutely no objection to same sex couples have all the legal rights that a married couple have. I can accept same sex couples living together as a legal entity but I cannot accept that they are married. Call it something else but do not impinge of the traditional definition of marriage

Firstly separate but equal is inherently unequal. Secondly you may have no objection to it but it is not clear that our constitution wouldn't still require a referendum. Thirdly are we really so precious about words that we would relegate some of citizens to second class status over an issue of word pedantics?

bnt

noway12345 wrote: »

I don't think they'll do anything but it's not the optimal situation, that's what I'm saying.

WTF is "optimal" when it comes to families and relationships? Try riding the LUAS Red Line between Tallaght and Dublin, and observe how well some "normal" marriages have worked. You'll witness "normal" families that appear to be seriously sub-sub-sub-optimal, learn that being good parents is not predicated on having the orthodox combination of genitalia. :eek:

The referendum is not about homosexuality in general, a "thing" that isn't going to go away. I don't "get" it, and won't be doing it, but that's my problem. Personal feelings are not a basis for government policy. I know it's not explicitly about children either, but the next one might be, so I think it's relevant - and if I was a kid again, I'd be more worried about having good parents than the gender(s) of said parents.

(Some of you will be relieved to hear that, not being Irish, I don't get to vote in referenda here.)

jobbridge4life

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how exactly do you bully somebody into voting yes? do you have to stand over them while they cast their vote?

You remind them that if they vote no they are voting to keep other Irish people second class citizens and then they feel bad about that and thats it you've upset them you big bully.

ohnonotgmail

jobbridge4life wrote: »

You remind them that if they vote no they are voting to keep other Irish people second class citizens and then they feel bad about that and thats it you've upset them you big bully.

so exposing somebodies prejudices is bullying? right, got it now. i never realised i was a bully. i feel so ashamed.

VinLieger

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so exposing somebodies prejudices is bullying? right, got it now. i never realised i was a bully. i feel so ashamed.

Yup forcing people to come to terms with the fact that they are bigots or homophobes is bullying now

endacl

campingcarist wrote: »

In my opinion it is about redefining marriage which should not be done. In a marriage, the two parties involved can procreate which is impossible with same sex couples.

I have absolutely no objection to same sex couples have all the legal rights that a married couple have. I can accept same sex couples living together as a legal entity but I cannot accept that they are married. Call it something else but do not impinge of the traditional definition of marriage

:rolleyes:

the evasion_kid

Wasnt going to vote at all but think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

ohnonotgmail

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wasnt going to vote at all but think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

so the actual issue isnt important then? and you are quite happy with the lies spread by the No side?

the evasion_kid

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so the actual issue isnt important then? and you are quite happy with the lies spread by the No side?

I think there's a bigger issue when people are running around at this crap

Bannasidhe

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wasnt going to vote at all but think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

Because denying a minority equal rights isn't even a teeny bit fascist.

endacl

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wasnt going to vote at all but think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

Yeah. Good man. Because that's how an adult decides to vote. Rock on.

:rolleyes:

VinLieger

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wasnt going to vote at all but think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

Sigh another person trying to hide the fact they are voting no behind the behaviour of a fringe element of one side. You know that yes posters have been ripped down as well?

ohnonotgmail

the evasion_kid wrote: »

I think there's a bigger issue when people are running around at this crap

so you are quite happy with the lies spread by the No side? you dont have a problem with? but you do have a problem with the Yes side calling the No side for those lies?

endacl

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before in this thread but I believe marriage is traditionally between children...no, hold on. Marriage is traditionally traditional and that means we... no that's not right either. *Cough* The tradition of marriage has played a key role in society afbekluqgflqebm,b,ffhabeflj frrrrgghhhh nnnnnnnnn,

Time for this again?

ohnonotgmail

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Because denying a minority equal rights isn't even a teeny bit fascist.

no, no, no, fascists go around dressed in black and tell people what to do ... wait a minute

Maximus Alexander

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wasnt going to vote at all but Gays are icky, think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

FYP.

Bannasidhe

VinLieger wrote: »

Sigh another person trying to hide the fact they are voting no behind the behaviour of a fringe element of one side. You know that yes posters have been ripped down as well?

That was by edgy commies... wait... I thought the gayagenda was commie... feck it I can't keep my totalitarian ideologies straight...

the evasion_kid

endacl wrote: »

Yeah. Good man. Because that's how an adult decides to vote. Rock on.

:rolleyes:

Last time I checked we weren't in 1940s Germany...peace

Bannasidhe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no, no, no, fascists go around dressed in black

They obviously don't have jack russells.

ohnonotgmail

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Last time I checked we weren't in 1940s Germany...peace

you are free to vote whatever way you please. but dont try and dress it up as something it isnt. at least be honest, with yourself if nobody else.

Bannasidhe

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Last time I checked we weren't in 1940s Germany...peace

Some people are trying really really hard to get back to 1940s Ireland.
VOTE NO AND BRING BACK DANCING AT THE CROSSROADS!

Cuban Pete

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wasnt going to vote at all but think I'll vote no looking at some of the carry on of people ripping down no posters and thinking there edgy....fascists....just for democracy's sake

You were always going to vote no. This brand of **** stirring is so incredibly tired it lost what little charm it had long ago.

VinLieger

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Last time I checked we weren't in 1940s Germany...peace

I know right? imagine telling a section of society they were different and didn't have the same rights as everyone else?

endacl

VinLieger wrote: »

I know right? imagine telling a section of society they were different and didn't have the same rights as everyone else?

Gingers don't have souls.

ohnonotgmail

endacl wrote: »

Gingers don't have souls.

thats different though. thats just biology.

endacl

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

:mad:

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

thats different though. thats just biology.

Can't argue with biology!

:pac:

Maximus Alexander

endacl wrote: »

Gingers don't have souls.

That sounds like an insult to gingers, until you realise that nor does anyone. :pac: