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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #6092
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    I'm not angry at gay people. Although your cause isn't mine...but my cause could easily be yours!!

    I happen to know quite a bit about the lack of unmarried father's rights because my son is one. Stood right beside him through court dates. Myself and my partner made hundreds of miles round trips several times a month so he could see his kids before he managed to scrape a few bob together to get a car. I still collect the kids every fortnight as he has to work. Lent him money to pay maintenance when he lost his job and the SW were being difficult because children need to eat, be clothed, kept warm and at the end of the day that is what matters...

    Every night (when he doesn't have the kids) my son is out canvassing for a yes vote because not only is he an unmarried father - he was raised by a same-sex couple. He grew up being denied two legally recognized parents.
    He also campaigns for unmarried father's rights as I do myself.
    It is not an either/or situation.

    The powers that be have decided that same-sex marriage needs a referendum to be introduced so we are having that referendum.

    There is no need for a referendum to improve father's rights, it could be covered by legislation.

    To vote no in the referendum because you believe the Children and Family Relationships Act hasn't gone far enough in the area of unmarried father's rights strikes me as spiteful tbh.


  • #6093
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Ned Flanders/Sir Thomas More: Your Majesty, I work for the Pope, and I think a celibate Italian weirdo knows a lot more about marriage than you


  • #6094
    Ironé
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭Ironé


    On a positive note - I was convinced my 78 year old father would be a definite No vote and I cautiously asked him this morning how he was voting. Surprisingly he said he was voting Yes for sure as was my mother. He was No at first but after reading literature sent in by the local TD, and reading more about it he realised that this has nothing to do with children, adoption or surrogacy.

    He feels that marriage is good for society and should be extended to LGBT couples also. Encouraging people to make long term commitments was a good thing in his eyes. He was disgusted by the No posters as well. It really gave me hope as he is seriously old school and would have felt that homosexuality was very taboo only a few years ago.


  • #6095
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    It won't make any difference...If it's a no vote...we'll be told to vote again until we get it right anyway

    Ah sure why bother voting at all so....I feel for you and your issues re your child and I sincerely hope you come to a resolution but letting the rights of gay couples suffer because you're suffering is misguided and unfair. Every bit of progress even if it doesn't directly affect you is good for parental rights. Shame you can't that.


  • #6096
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Ironé wrote: »
    He was No at first but after reading literature sent in by the local TD, and reading more about it he realised that this has nothing to do with children, adoption or surrogacy.

    Someone needs to tell this to John Bruton because when asked on newstalk just 20 minutes ago he said that people need to think clearly about the vote, and then mentioned children's rights... :confused:


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  • #6097
    Ironé
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 260 ✭✭Ironé


    smash wrote: »
    Someone needs to tell this to John Bruton because when asked on newstalk just 20 minutes ago he said that people need to think clearly about the vote, and then mentioned children's rights... :confused:

    The funny thing about it was it was a leaflet from an FF politician who he usually is giving out yards about. I was surprised it didn't get the bin without being read.





  • #6098
    Eliza32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭Eliza32


    I don't see anything wrong with voting yes. On the positive hand it will give Ireland a boost for being a non-discriminative country yet with good moral standing. On the negative note it will.....what? There is no negative. Every human being has the right to be happy and to love who they love and that's that. I am sorry we have come to the day and age where this is even a discussion.


  • #6099
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Drove past some No posters that have defaced in Glasnevin. Funny how they're screaming for equal rights, yet have no issue attacking democracy.


  • #6100
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Eliza32 wrote: »
    On the negative note it will.....what? There is no negative.

    Something, something, something, children.... Something, something, something, bible.


  • #6101
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Drove past some No posters that have defaced in Glasnevin. Funny how they're screaming for equal rights, yet have no issue attacking democracy.

    All the Yes campaigners have condemned any defacing of posters. They can't be responsible for everyone. People have and always will deface election posters.


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  • #6102
    Eliza32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭Eliza32


    smash wrote: »
    Something, something, something, children.... Something, something, something, bible.

    Oh and I suppose the story of Cindarella might have a reference in this too?


  • #6103
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Blahblah2012 wrote: »
    Well if you haven't figured that out yet..I can't help you. ..sorry

    I do not require help.
    You do not know better.
    You are equating your particular situation with everyone elses.
    You are not happy with the law as it pertains to your situation so you vote no?
    Maybe this is cart before horse as you say. Because this issue is being dealt with before fathers rights you vote no? I think that is a ridiculous reason.
    There will be other issues to be dealt with as SSMs dissolve and they will be dealt with over the coming years.


  • #6104
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Drove past some No posters that have defaced in Glasnevin. Funny how they're screaming for equal rights, yet have no issue attacking democracy.

    Someone wrote Fcuk Enda Kenny on one of the Yes posters I saw yesterday, are the entire cohort of No voters to blame or just one individual?


  • #6105
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Listening to RTE Radio news interview with YES vote campaigners at canvass HQ, Cork City plus people on the street. The organizer is worried that people will think it's done and dusted,and won't turn out to vote, so he's getting the message out "every vote counts".

    However i saw this on Pink News about an independent standing for election in West Tyrone next month: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/27/this-parliamentary-candidate-wants-to-re-criminalise-homosexuality-no-shes-not-running-for-ukip/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=socialFB&utm_campaign=PNFacebook


  • #6106
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Eliza32 wrote: »
    Oh and I suppose the story of Cindarella might have a reference in this too?

    Well now that you mention it, she was raised in an all female household and turned out all right, but they were all hetero super bitches so, draw your own conclusions.


  • #6107
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Drove past some No posters that have defaced in Glasnevin. Funny how they're screaming for equal rights, yet have no issue attacking democracy.

    Every No poster I've seen (and there are quite a lot of them around, the vast majority completely untouched and un-defaced) has been dishonest, scaremongering and - most of all - irrelevant to the marriage equality referendum. Misleading posters are themselves an attack on democracy. Removing or defacing them is wrong, but only because it feeds the persecution complex of the anti-equality side.


  • #6108
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    All the Yes campaigners have condemned any defacing of posters. They can't be responsible for everyone. People have and always will deface election posters.

    I'm glad to hear they have been condemned- if the No side were doing that, there'd be war. I am adamantly a Yes supporter, but don't agree to defacing posters. As someone raised in a blended family set up, I find them offensive. But that doesn't give me the right to tear them down or deface them.

    Better to vote with your feet and beat them fair and square.


  • #6109
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    Drove past some No posters that have defaced in Glasnevin. Funny how they're screaming for equal rights, yet have no issue attacking democracy.

    Who???


  • #6110
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Listening to RTE Radio news interview with YES vote campaigners at canvass HQ, Cork City plus people on the street. The organizer is worried that people will think it's done and dusted,and won't turn out to vote, so he's getting the message out "every vote counts".

    However i saw this on Pink News about an independent standing for election in West Tyrone next month: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/27/this-parliamentary-candidate-wants-to-re-criminalise-homosexuality-no-shes-not-running-for-ukip/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=socialFB&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

    "Biblically correct manifesto", well, that says it all.


  • #6111
    Eliza32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭Eliza32


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Well now that you mention it, she was raised in an all female household and turned out all right, but they were all hetero super bitches so, draw your own conclusions.

    No sorry they were just bitches.


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  • #6112
    Grayditch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    This has to be one of the easiest votes I'll have done in recent memory. I always try to see both sides of an argument, and against my better judgement, I came in to see if there were any possible reasonable arguments for a No Vote.

    Nothing so far. Some seriously bitter nonsense though, almost funny if it wasn't so serious.


  • #6113
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I'm glad to hear they have been condemned- if the No side were doing that, there'd be war. I am adamantly a Yes supporter, but don't agree to defacing posters. As someone raised in a blended family set up, I find them offensive. But that doesn't give me the right to tear them down or deface them.

    Better to vote with your feet and beat them fair and square.

    There seems to be an unreality about this posters issue.. Every election, posters are defaced, often by teenagers, drawing things on the posters etc.

    The message and nonsense of the No side seems to me to be the only issue worth discussing.


  • #6114
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Someone wrote Fcuk Enda Kenny on one of the Yes posters I saw yesterday, are the entire cohort of No voters to blame or just one individual?

    Yes, they are and if I was gay I wouldn't carry out that instruction.


  • #6115
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I'm glad to hear they have been condemned- if the No side were doing that, there'd be war. .

    The no side have done it. People have torn down and defaced yes posters and murals. I agree it's better to rise above it and it does no good, but lets not pretend this is a one-sided issue.


  • #6116
    Eliza32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭Eliza32


    Grayditch wrote: »
    This has to be one of the easiest votes I'll have done in recent memory. I always try to see both sides of an argument, and against my better judgement, I came in to see if there were any possible reasonable arguments for a No Vote.

    Nothing so far. Some seriously bitter nonsense though, almost funny if it wasn't so serious.

    I totally agree, severe out-dated nonsense. If people want to hold on to delusions and let gay people suffer as a result, I have a problem with that poor sense of logic. I think people who vote should under go an aptitude test to determine whether they truly understand the fundamentals of life and it's origins.


  • #6117
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Yes, they are and if I was gay I wouldn't carry out that instruction.

    Someone had actually written No Thanks under it :D


  • #6118
    S.O
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭S.O


    All these people interfering with and removing no campaign poster's- one thing they won't be able to do is interfere with how people vote in the privacy of the polling booth in a few week's time; given the nastiness of certain people its just as well that people have the right to vote by a secret ballot.


  • #6119
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Meantime on the other side of the border, not so many miles away.................... http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/27/this-parliamentary-candidate-wants-to-re-criminalise-homosexuality-no-shes-not-running-for-ukip/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=socialFB&utm_campaign=PNFacebook


  • #6120
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Meantime on the other side of the border, not so many miles away.................... http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/27/this-parliamentary-candidate-wants-to-re-criminalise-homosexuality-no-shes-not-running-for-ukip/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=socialFB&utm_campaign=PNFacebook
    Biblically correct? fcuking lol....


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  • #6121
    Cuban Pete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Cuban Pete


    S.O wrote: »
    All these people interfering with and removing no campaign poster's- one thing they won't be able to do is interfere with how people vote in the privacy of the polling booth in a few week's time; given the nastiness of certain people its just as well that people have the right to vote by a secret ballot.

    Quite so. The No side won't be able to bully, insult or humiliate anyone into voting their view in the booths. They won't be able to sneer that they're inferior, can't be parents, a danger to children, whatever lies they're peddling these days.

    This referendum has really shown the true face of the people who shout loudest about caring for children.


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