How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

LadyAthame

Originally Posted by frostyjacks View Post
I've answered it. A yes vote will say one's marriage is equal to something that it clearly isn't.

The polls clearly say most people clearly do not see your point of view as clearly self evident.

Huntergonzo

Shrap wrote: »

Yeah, I thought so too. What a train wreck of an interview, but Coveney's frustration was understandable tbf. I've met people who were reduced to tears by Mullen's blatent lying in the face of reasoned debate and he has an uncanny knack of making people forget their own arguments out of sheer exasperation.

:mad::mad: Eww, he's a (insert bannable string of curse words here). He came over as angry and petulant though, and got caught out in a few lies at least.

I have no time for Ronan Mullen, he was canvassing outside my local supervalu before last year's European elections and I was walking out with a full bag and he asked for my vote so I told him 'ye no problem' (I tell all politicians that to shut them up and it nearly always works).

But nope that wasn't enough for Mr Mullen, he accosted me in the street and eventually told me he was 'pro-life', I never asked him any questions. I simply said "I'm pro-life aswell but I'm also pro-choice, being pro-life has nothing to do with the abortion debate, anyway this is more a woman's issue, how would you like it if a woman had a strong opinion on your balls Mr Mullen".

The look on his face was brilliant as I walked off, now I know I sound rude but he really did follow me half way back to my car and persisted in telling me all about his beliefs, unbelievable stuff!

Also if he's so pro-life (anti-choice is the correct name) then why is he against gay marriage anyway, who's less likely to have an abortion than a gay couple???

galljga1

frostyjacks wrote: »

Because you're saying that a same sex unit can do the same job as a traditional unit, which is illogical. It would be like my employers hiring a chimpanzee to work alongside me and pretending it's capable of doing the same job. Society is fragmenting enough as it is, we don't need to accelerate it.

Well..... No, I won't bother.

Shrap

Huntergonzo wrote: »

The look on his face was brilliant as I walked off, now I know I sound rude but he really did follow me half way back to my car and persisted in telling me all about his beliefs, unbelievable stuff!

Janey, good for you. And good on you for not smacking him with the bag of shopping. He's most peculiar really. I'm full sure (as I can be) he's an Opus Dei numerary.

AtomicHorror

Huntergonzo wrote: »

who's less likely to have an abortion than a gay couple???

Oh I know! Robots?

golfball37

There's a hotel in Dublin offering 50% discount to any patron who presents a NO poster they've pulled down.
Nothing quite as liberal as SSM advocates.

PopePalpatine

golfball37 wrote: »

There's a hotel in Dublin offering 50% discount to any patron who presents a NO poster they've pulled down.
Nothing quite as liberal as SSM advocates.

Translation: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, DE QUARES ARE OPPRESSIN ME!

AtomicHorror

golfball37 wrote: »

There's a hotel in Dublin offering 50% discount to any patron who presents a NO poster they've pulled down.
Nothing quite as liberal as SSM advocates.

Yes we're all the same, us SSM advocates. Sure I'm offering 50% discounts for every No poster presented to me as well.

I'm a database administrator, if you're interested.

golfball37

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yes we're all the same, us SSM advocates. Sure I'm offering 50% discounts for every No poster presented to me as well.

I'm a database administrator, if you're interested.

Your a criminal if that post is true

Maximus Alexander

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Yes we're all the same, us SSM advocates. Sure I'm offering 50% discounts for every No poster presented to me as well.

I'm a database administrator, if you're interested.

I'll offer a further 75% discount for every straight marriage that you manage to ruin by getting gay married.

CiDeRmAn

wetfoot wrote: »

I do wish that no voters would just hold their hands up and say that it's the sodomy they don't hold with. That's fine, I've got no problem with people saying that they don't want a willie up their bottom (although, I've not seen anything so far that says it will be compulsory). I've been hearing that kind of bollox for over thirty years. It's when its dressed up as some kind of legitimate moral societal concern that I get miffy.

I think it's this in a nutshell.
All the arguments that are being levelled against same sex marriage are really just a variation on the prejudice against homosexuality over the centuries, and that's the notion that its immoral by nature and should be shunned.
And this is supported by institutions that derive power from deciding on who to persecute and unite their followers against, and also by people who don't understand that we don't really have a choice in who we find attractive
I happen to be straight, but I don't preoccupy myself with the bedroom antics of my friends and colleagues, and i don't make character judgements based on those details either.

And one other thing sodomy isn't the exclusive pursuit of homosexual men, given how much straight pornography appears to be obsessed with it!

imitation

I have a bad feeling that silent majority of older voters might get a no vote through. Theres good represntation among younger voters, but to be honest turnout is often crap.

Bannasidhe

kunst nugget wrote: »

Considering he is the FG director for the marriage referendum, Coveney gave a pretty uninspired performance with way too many gaps and brain farts from him.

Coveney was awful when he did manage to get a word in. The problem was O'Rourke gave Mullen free rein - so much for balance (and stopwatches).

kunst nugget

golfball37 wrote: »

Your a criminal if that post is true

Tbf, all database administrators are shifty creatures. The small, sweaty hands and the beady eyes on them. They should be arrested purely for their lack of personal hygiene, never mind any of their other nefarious activities. At least the gays know how to use product.

Bannasidhe

padd b1975 wrote: »

I doubt that very much.:rolleyes:

You're telling me I didn't think what I thought?

wow. Such arrogance.

AtomicHorror

golfball37 wrote: »

AtomicHorror wrote: »

golfball37 wrote: »

There's a hotel in Dublin offering 50% discount to any patron who presents a NO poster they've pulled down.
Nothing quite as liberal as SSM advocates.

Yes we're all the same, us SSM advocates. Sure I'm offering 50% discounts for every No poster presented to me as well.

I'm a database administrator, if you're interested.

Your a criminal if that post is true

Well we're all criminals according to you, if the implication in your first post is true. So this is redundant.

Anyway, what you think? I can set up your access privileges and then have a confusing "clarifying" conference call with an Indian support team for 50% less than my usual fee? I'll go 75% for one of the surrogacy posters- I hate those ones the most.

AtomicHorror

kunst nugget wrote: »

Tbf, all database administrators are shifty creatures. The small, sweaty hands and the beady eyes on them. They should be arrested purely for their lack of personal hygiene, never mind any of their other nefarious activities. At least the gays know how to use product.

Hey I have moroccan oil in my hair I'll have you know. And my hands are LARGE and sweaty. My eyes, sadly, very beady.

seamus

imitation wrote: »

I have a bad feeling that silent majority of older voters might get a no vote through. Theres good represntation among younger voters, but to be honest turnout is often crap.

There's a lot of talk about how the older vote tends to oppress the younger vote and "force" them to vote in a particular way, but I think the younger vote also tends to have a softening effect on the older vote, particularly when it comes to social matters.

Ten years ago I remember having a conversation with my Dad about "the gays" and we know it had always been something of a sticking point with him. He would never have been vocally denouncing of them, but it was something that he could never reconcile, and if someone was "a gay", then "Ah well that explains it then". It just never sat right with him, and I'm pretty sure it's because of a very catholic mother and the belief that being gay was a choice.

It didn't help that the only member of our extended family who turned out to be gay was also a completely self-centered prima donna hipster type (who has since become a lot more normal). "Sure, of course he'd become gay, he loves the attention".

While we still slag him every now again whenever he says, "The gays", he has basically done a complete turnaround in the last ten years, because he can see that all of his sons are completely relaxed about it and hold no contempt for gay people. Would he be disappointed if one of his sons turned around tomorrow and said they were gay? I think so. There would still be a deep-seated discomfort in there that's very hard to shake in your 60s. Would he treat that son any differently? No way.

Discussed the SSM referendum with him on Saturday and there was no question in his mind about voting yes. He saw no reason whatsoever to deny it.

frostyjacks

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Your central point is completely and utterly worthless to this discussion because you've misunderstood the word "equality".

I understand perfectly what equality means. That's why I'm voting no.

Huntergonzo

Shrap wrote: »

Janey, good for you. And good on you for not smacking him with the bag of shopping. He's most peculiar really. I'm full sure (as I can be) he's an Opus Dei numerary.

Ha thanks, I probably would have swung the bag at him but I didn't want to crush all my bags of Mighty Munch :-)

kunst nugget

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Well we're all criminals according to you, if the implication in your first post is true. So this is redundant.

Anyway, what you think? I can set up your access privileges and then have a confusing "clarifying" conference call with an Indian support team for 50% less than my usual fee? I'll go 75% for one of the surrogacy posters- I hate those ones the most.

It is actually an offence to take down posters like that.

ohnonotgmail

frostyjacks wrote: »

I understand perfectly what equality means. That's why I'm voting no.

i think you need a new dictionary.

Huntergonzo

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Oh I know! Robots?

Jaysus don't tell Ronan Mullen you're in favour of robot marriage aswell, the chap will have a heart attack!

ohnonotgmail

kunst nugget wrote: »

It is actually an offence to take down posters like that.

criminal damage i would imagine.

Maximus Alexander

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

criminal damage i would imagine.

Meh, the people who put them up are doing criminal damage to the concept of human decency.

AtomicHorror

frostyjacks wrote: »

I understand perfectly what equality means.

No you don't, for the reasons I already stated. Now what?

ohnonotgmail

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Meh, the people who put them up are doing criminal damage to the concept of human decency.

philosophically you have a point. legally, no.

CiDeRmAn

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

And one other thing sodomy isn't the exclusive pursuit of homosexual men

Indeed - there is likely a lot more of it going on in my relationship that in many gay relationships. It is not only not exclusive to homosexual men - it is not even a requirement on homosexual men. Many of them do not engage in it at all.

I have read posts by users who seem to genuinely believe homosexuality and anal sex are direct synonyms of each other.

AtomicHorror

kunst nugget wrote: »

It is actually an offence to take down posters like that.

I know. Not my point.

xxyyzz

imitation wrote: »

I have a bad feeling that silent majority of older voters might get a no vote through. Theres good represntation among younger voters, but to be honest turnout is often crap.

Agree with this unfortunately. Everything sounds great in social media land but there's an awful lot of older conservative voters who definitely will vote no. I remember some young lad, Dylan something or other, ran for election some years ago with with a real bright and sparkly social media campaign run by Una Mullally and the twitterati. Massive online support for him. The other candidates wiped the floor with him.