Any fertiliser out yet?

farmerjj

Thinking of putting some urea out next week as the weather is forecast to be mild, anyone put some out yet and was there any response from it?

blue5000

Nothing out yet. Soil temp still v low. I intend to go with slurry first, waiting on soil test results.

frazzledhome

Having a cuppa and reading Boards, ran out to paddock and soil is 4.6 today up from 1.5 on Mon.

Urea ordered and arriving Mon or Tues but won't spread here till temp reaches 5 and continues to increase.

Greengrass1

Lads what's yer take on spreading a compound in first round?
Dad wants to go with 1.5 bags of 15-10-10 on whole farm mid Feb some time and then go with pasture sward for rest of our allowance .
I want to spread half the farm in urea and go with pasture sward rest of the yr
He reckons we won't get the value out if the urea because our indexs are still quite low

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Lads what's yer take on spreading a compound in first round?
Dad wants to go with 1.5 bags of 15-10-10 on whole farm mid Feb some time and then go with pasture sward for rest of our allowance .
I want to spread half the farm in urea and go with pasture sward rest of the yr
He reckons we won't get the value out if the urea because our indexs are still quite low

Ph more important than index

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Ph more important than index

PH is fine at home needs a lot of work in out farm though.
Will be getting limed next week.
Soil still has to be fed p and k though

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

PH is fine at home needs a lot of work in out farm though.
Will be getting limed next week.
Soil still has to be fed p and k though

I wouldn't advise spreading lime and then put urea on top or visa versa.

High ph increases the volatilisation of urea. When you spread the lime the surface of the soil will be at ph8+. This in turn increases the hydrolysis of the urea.


IYKWIM...

mahoney_j

Dawggone wrote: »

I wouldn't advise spreading lime and then put urea on top or visa versa.

High ph increases the volatilisation of urea. When you spread the lime the surface of the soil will be at ph8+. This in turn increases the hydrolysis of the urea.


IYKWIM...

4 months from when lime out to spread urea in advised.i spread lime at reseeding in late July and then September on other grassland

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

I wouldn't advise spreading lime and then put urea on top or visa versa.

High ph increases the volatilisation of urea. When you spread the lime the surface of the soil will be at ph8+. This in turn increases the hydrolysis of the urea.


IYKWIM...

Its gran lime

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Its gran lime

Same difference !

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

Same difference !

Does it affect it the same?
Was of the opinion it doesn't.
This stuff is calcified seaweed

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Does it affect it the same?
Was of the opinion it doesn't.
This stuff is calcified seaweed

It's not the product GG, it's the ph!


Google Urea-volatilisation-hydrolysis.
Ph is the key. Mahoney is correct.

Coonagh

Greengrass1 wrote: »

PH is fine at home needs a lot of work in out farm though.
Will be getting limed next week.
Soil still has to be fed p and k though

We need to build indexes too so this is what we're doing this year. Ph is fine but we're mostly 1 and 2's fog p and k.

Plan is half bag urea everywhere I can when soil temp is above 5 then I will spread half my p and k requirement around the end of feb(2x10.10.20) we will then split the other half in 2 applications later in the year(end may and end of July). Nitrogen will again be blanket spread in the farm in mid-late March and we will hope to have 100 units of N/acre spread before the end of the first grazing round.

On P and K Offtake rates: at 2.5lu/ha you need to put back 16 units of P and 48 units of K per acre just to maintain what you have.

trixi2011

What's the thinking behind spreading when temps get to 5 ?Thought rye grass doesn't start growing till 6 an older grasses higher again .

Muckit

If you put on a nice amount of fertiliser it acts like a blanket over the soil and temps can bounce up a degree or two!!

Coonagh

Interesting trial done in Johnstown castle re the relationship between ph and soil p availability. They found by bringing up soil ph from 5.2-6.3 the soil released the equivalent of 20 units of P per acre.

kevthegaff

Does lime affect other fertillisers

Greengrass1

Coonagh wrote: »

Interesting trial done in Johnstown castle re the relationship between ph and soil p availability. They found by bringing up soil ph from 5.2-6.3 the soil released the equivalent of 20 units of P per acre.

That must have what happened here. Never seen as green a grass here since last spring

Dawggone

kevthegaff wrote: »

Does lime affect other fertillisers

No. Not as severely as urea anyhow.

farmerjj

Well spread 1st bag of fertiliser this year, half a bag to the acre of urea out. Its getting a bit damp here and think showers are forecast for next few days so temp should go up.

Dawggone

First split out on all cereals.

First cut also.

farawaygrass

Just finished first round here too. Went with 10-10-20 on empty fields at the moment. Soil index 1&2 for p and 2&3 for k here so gone stick with the compounds for a while. Went with a bag/acre give or take a bit. Worked out bit lighter than I planned but will go again later on anyhow.

Greengrass1

2 bags of 15-10-10 going out here now.
Bit of drizzle coming down as I eat dinner here. Hope it doesn't do a job on the load I've in the spinner

frazzledhome

Hope to go this afternoon. Spreader yoked Urea in transit as we speak. 10/10/20 arrived yesterday

Index 1 and low 2s getting 3* 10-10-20 I'll top up with 20 units of urea. Rest getting 1 bag urea.

Cow Porter

frazzledhome wrote: »

Hope to go this afternoon. Spreader yoked Urea in transit as we speak. 10/10/20 arrived yesterday

Index 1 and low 2s getting 3* 10-10-20 I'll top up with 20 units of urea. Rest getting 1 bag urea.

1x37.5 kg bag? are you spreading anything that has got slurry lately

35 units out on about half the ground yesterday and day before here, think met eireann got a typo for yesterdays soil temp in casement

http://www.met.ie/latest/yesterday.asp

frazzledhome

Cow Porter wrote: »

1x37.5 kg bag? are you spreading anything that has got slurry lately

35 units out on about half the ground yesterday and day before here, think met eireann got a typo for yesterdays soil temp in casement

http://www.met.ie/latest/yesterday.asp

Slurry ground and all getting 50 units. Soil temp was 4.5 here yesterday at 5c here today. I'm happy to go as is rising

Dawggone

For all the guys/gals that think we operate very high cost...

First cut silage = 60-90 units per HECTARE

edit. Winter wheat 60-90 units per acre.

Maize 20kg/ ha DAP.

That's all mineral fert.... NO P and K as its off the charts!

Very small fert bill.

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

For all the guys/gals that think we operate very high cost...

First cut silage = 60-90 units per HECTARE

Winter wheat like wise...

Maize 20kg/ ha DAP.

That's all mineral fert.... NO P and K as its off the charts!

Very small fert bill.

How is P&K so helthy?

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

How is P&K so helthy?

Muck.
Cow, cattle, chicken and turkey.

Sitting in a boring meeting with village council now and I just scored 118.5 ton of muck with analysis 38% N and 54% P.
Happy days!

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

Muck.
Cow, cattle, chicken and turkey.

Sitting in a boring meeting with village council now and I just scored 118.5 ton of muck with analysis 38% N and 54% P.
Happy days!

You Local politician or Fr Ted?

mahoney_j

Dawggone wrote: »

Muck.
Cow, cattle, chicken and turkey.

Sitting in a boring meeting with village council now and I just scored 118.5 ton of muck with analysis 38% N and 54% P.
Happy days!

Not such a boring meeting after all!!

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

You Local politician or Fr Ted?

Have them by the goolies!!!
Have block of land south of village and hauling past me expensive.

They spread it and all for free.

Greengrass1

Feet I spread this morning already melting in.
Job!!

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

Not such a boring meeting after all!!

Two and a half hours of talking shyte...
Christ above the french must be the world champions at it.

Same cribbing every year from the small farmers ( 4 to 12ha maize). Town needs 225ha of maize ground to rotate around spreading every 3 years iykwim. I can provide that and treatment plant on edge of my land.... Feckin no brainer.

Still I get to know who has the biggest chip on shoulder regards foreigners...

Greengrass1

Debate here today.
Not enough fert went out
Spinner is 12m wide set it up for 250kgs/ha off app on phone.
Only 200kg/ha went out
Better than too much going out I know
Any way dad says I've spinner set wrong or I'm traveling too fast
I was always spreading 6m between tracks dad has me spreading 12m in between tracks now

Should I be hitting the middle of my last track
Or should I be covering new area each run?

I think this is the problem

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Debate here today.
Not enough fert went out
Spinner is 12m wide set it up for 250kgs/ha off app on phone.
Only 200kg/ha went out
Better than too much going out I know
Any way dad says I've spinner set wrong or I'm traveling too fast
I was always spreading 6m between tracks dad has me spreading 12m in between tracks now

Should I be hitting the middle of my last track
Or should I be covering new area each run?

I think this is the problem

At least you know the setting for 200kg/ha.

Would you not put in one bag and test rather than relying on App. Overlap built in with spreaders

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Debate here today.
Not enough fert went out
Spinner is 12m wide set it up for 250kgs/ha off app on phone.
Only 200kg/ha went out
Better than too much going out I know
Any way dad says I've spinner set wrong or I'm traveling too fast
I was always spreading 6m between tracks dad has me spreading 12m in between tracks now

Should I be hitting the middle of my last track
Or should I be covering new area each run?

I think this is the problem

Firstly RTFM.

Then do a tray test.

Greengrass1

Dawggone wrote: »

Firstly RTFM.

Then do a tray test.

What does first bit mean

I haven't a clue how to do a tray tesr

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

At least you know the setting for 200kg/ha.

Would you not put in one bag and test rather than relying on App. Overlap built in with spreaders

The book is giving same setting as app.

Zr105

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Debate here today.
Not enough fert went out
Spinner is 12m wide set it up for 250kgs/ha off app on phone.
Only 200kg/ha went out
Better than too much going out I know
Any way dad says I've spinner set wrong or I'm traveling too fast
I was always spreading 6m between tracks dad has me spreading 12m in between tracks now

Should I be hitting the middle of my last track
Or should I be covering new area each run?

I think this is the problem

Should be overlapping back to the wheel marks of previous run. The amazone app is a bit off imv for irish ferts as their pretty much all based on 3kg test samples. Certainly way way off for urea anyways!

It'd be worth checking your shutters are set right in relation to the setting scale. On both the amazones we've had its set the scale to 11 and open shutters. When there open at this settin the opening and the shutter should just come to a point at the very bottom. Should be in the manual with pics etc to show ya!

freedominacup

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What does first bit mean

I haven't a clue how to do a tray tesr

It's an IT term. Bil used to use it the whole time in his first job in IT support. Usually a sign of exasperation on behalf of the person using it. It has wide applications though, bit of a pun on your problem.

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What does first bit mean

I haven't a clue how to do a tray tesr

Read
The
F%$king
Manual
:)


Get out the dealer you bought the spinner from to do a tray test.

Dawggone

Greengrass1 wrote: »

The book is giving same setting as app.

GG if you want to spread 12m at 100kg/acre....

Measure 365yards and chuck in 100kg....spread it on the 365 yards (1acre)...
then adjust accordingly until you get it right.

A country way of doing it but it'll do for grass.

RightTurnClyde

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Debate here today.
Not enough fert went out
Spinner is 12m wide set it up for 250kgs/ha off app on phone.
Only 200kg/ha went out
Better than too much going out I know
Any way dad says I've spinner set wrong or I'm traveling too fast
I was always spreading 6m between tracks dad has me spreading 12m in between tracks now

Should I be hitting the middle of my last track
Or should I be covering new area each run?

I think this is the problem

Why are you guessing how much of an over lap there is, hop of the tractor and pace 12 meters

Greengrass1

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Why are you guessing how much of an over lap there is, hop of the tractor and pace 12 meters

I have.
I was always leaving 6 m between runs and some how last time I was spreading lime too much went out and now the boss comes out with the line I should be leaving 12m between tracks and all of a sudden there isn't enough going out

milkprofit

30 -40 units urea on all grass

Greengrass1

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I have.
I was always leaving 6 m between runs and some how last time I was spreading lime too much went out and now the boss comes out with the line I should be leaving 12m between tracks and all of a sudden there isn't enough going out

I even went out today and put down pig tails 12m apart in a paddock.

C0N0R

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What does first bit mean

I haven't a clue how to do a tray tesr

Did they not cover that in kildalton!? Look up your chemical fertilizer application book and that will show you! from what I've been taught, you have to overlap. With a spinner, depending on spinner it will spread even for a couple of meters either side then tailor off, your last prills from your next run need to hit the point that your previous run tailors off. I think! I've never used a spinner so I'm going by what ballyhaise has taught me.

Greengrass1

C0N0R wrote: »

Did they not cover that in kildalton!? Look up your chemical fertilizer application book and that will show you! from what I've been taught, you have to overlap. With a spinner, depending on spinner it will spread even for a couple of meters either side then tailor off, your last prills from your next run need to hit the point that your previous run tailors off. I think! I've never used a spinner so I'm going by what ballyhaise has taught me.

They did. And that's the way I've spread since leaving Kildalton and always did a good job
Then I ****ed up the lime and now I'm wrong

C0N0R

Greengrass1 wrote: »

They did. And that's the way I've spread since leaving Kildalton and always did a good job
Then I ****ed up the lime and now I'm wrong

Back to the way you were doing it then.

mikeoh

I have a pallet of 0-7-30 lying around at home want to use it up......any point putting it out in the spring....will there be any growth without N......would it be to much to put out after a thick coat of slurry