Timidity of the British Media

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The ethnic Pakistani groups in Rotherham regarded white girls as trash, fit to be exploited and not treated as human that's the point.

Which may be a valid point, but the question wasn't why white girls, the question is why doesthe media always sepcifcilly say "white" girls?

Help!!!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Which may be a valid point, but the question wasn't why white girls, the question is why doesthe media always sepcifcilly say "white" girls?

Because they were not blue or any other colour other than " white "

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Help!!!! wrote: »

Because they were not blue or any other colour other than " white "

That's still not asking the question I actually asked.

Harry Palmr

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Which may be a valid point, but the question wasn't why white girls, the question is why does the media always sepcifcilly say "white" girls?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? They were targeted, black and Asian girls were not, so the media has correctly pointed out that fact.

_Kaiser_

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Are you being deliberately obtuse? They were targeted, black and Asian girls were not, so the media has correctly pointed out that fact.

No, it's just another example of political-correctness gone mad. Specifically mentioning "White" girls (or any colour) = you must be racist .. why does it matter etc :rolleyes:
The reality that it's just simply a statement of fact (as you highlight in this instance) gets lost in that outrage

In short, it's a mix of people actively looking to be offended and competing with similar types to show how MORE PC they are!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No, it's just another example of political-correctness gone mad. Specifically mentioning "White" girls (or any colour) = you must be racist .. why does it matter etc :rolleyes:
The reality that it's just simply a statement of fact (as you highlight in this instance) gets lost in that outrage

In short, it's a mix of people actively looking to be offended and competing with similar types to show how MORE PC they are!

Nothign to do with PC or being offended.

I'm merely pointing out that the media is trying to evoke more sympathy by discribing the girls as white and that raping a white girl is in some way an even bigger crime than a non-white girl.

DeadHand

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Why does the media continuously emphasise the fact that the victims were "white" girls? Are other girls less news-worthy?

The media emphasised this fact because there were important racial and cultural elements to the case.

As indigenous Christian or non-religious girls they were seem as inherently inferior human beings and immoral sluts deserving of any degradation they suffered by the Muslim men who raped and tortured them with impunity for years. The rapists were informed by their beliefs to see it as a just and proper way to treat those young women and children.

Another key factor in the case was the fact that most of the victims came from working/welfare class backgrounds. No-one in authority cared enough about them to risk their careers by making accusations that would automatically be construed as racist. Had the same horrors befallen middle class girls, a stop would have been put to it much more swiftly.

As it was, the fear of being branded racist far outweighed any sense of duty or compassion those in a position to help may have had. They were paralysed utterly by political correctness.

The authorities, in fact, at times protected and aided these rapists. Those who did speak up were immediately silenced and forced to attend equality and diversity courses. One unfortunate man who went to retrieve his daughter from one of these Muslim rape gangs was promptly arrested by the police.

No, the suffering of non-white girls is in no way less newsworthy. That is why the suffering of Syrian and Iraqi girls at the hands of ISIS and Nigerian girls at the hands of Boko Haram is, rightly, reported in the media constantly.

Mentioning the victims were white was reporting a relevant fact, not an attempt to evoke greater sympathy.

Harry Palmr

DeadHand - top post. Class was an important factor. Certaintly would have come to light much quicker had the girls been from well educated assertive middle class families

Harry Palmr

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Nothign to do with PC or being offended.

I'm merely pointing out that the media is trying to evoke more sympathy by discribing the girls as white and that raping a white girl is in some way an even bigger crime than a non-white girl.

You really don't seem to get it - the white girls were deliberately targeted by the ethnic Pakistani groups to the exclusion of all other races. This was their whole modus operandi. Its got nothing to do with racism in the media - it about racism among paedo rapists.

_Kaiser_

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Nothign to do with PC or being offended.

I'm merely pointing out that the media is trying to evoke more sympathy by discribing the girls as white and that raping a white girl is in some way an even bigger crime than a non-white girl.

No.. it's a factual statement. If the girls had been Asian and were identified as such in the report is that "wrong" too?

If someone robs a shop and I witness it, and the guy happened to be black (or white, or Asian or whatever) - am I "racist" by repeating this in my statement to the Gardai, or am I simply stating the facts of the matter?

The point is that there is a certain element who seem determined to find something objectionable in everything and usually by throwing out PC-terms or accusations against the one making the statement without considering the content or intent of what they said.

By doing so it also serves to deflect from the point itself - which in this instance that young girls are being sexually assaulted and raped.

Now you tell me.. which is more important? Highlighting their plight, or confusing the matter by objecting over some perceived slight to someone's personal sensibilities that has no basis in the facts.

DeadHand

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Nothign to do with PC or being offended.

I'm merely pointing out that the media is trying to evoke more sympathy by discribing the girls as white and that raping a white girl is in some way an even bigger crime than a non-white girl.

In nothing I saw or read in the media about the case was it implied that raping a white girl is a greater crime than raping a non-white girl.

Pumpkinseeds

Help!!!! wrote: »

Ill agree that some are racist but there are some that are just sick of the way the non muslins are treated in the U.K. & just want to voice their opinions.
Why are these hate preachers not arrested?

They were all racist thugs. They are stereotypical football hooligans. As for the hate preachers, well as the documentary said, the Imam of the Mosque didn't agree with the hate preacher and wouldn't let him preach in the Mosque, which was why he was preaching outside of it. Turning up outside any religious place of worship and shouting abuse is out of order and could be viewed has 'hate preaching'.

world_weary

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No, it's just another example of political-correctness gone mad. Specifically mentioning "White" girls (or any colour) = you must be racist .. why does it matter etc :rolleyes:
The reality that it's just simply a statement of fact (as you highlight in this instance) gets lost in that outrage

In short, it's a mix of people actively looking to be offended and competing with similar types to show how MORE PC they are!

being PC is about sounding good rather than doing good

Help!!!!

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

They were all racist thugs. They are stereotypical football hooligans. As for the hate preachers, well as the documentary said, the Imam of the Mosque didn't agree with the hate preacher and wouldn't let him preach in the Mosque, which was why he was preaching outside of it. Turning up outside any religious place of worship and shouting abuse is out of order and could be viewed has 'hate preaching'.

So are the people of Rotherham who clapped them as they walked down the streets racist too?
There are a great deal of of non Muslim people in the U.K. who feel let down by the government & are tired of being accused of being a racist if they put up the St Georges flag outside their home
They said they were going on a peaceful protest & they did, they were not the ones throwing things

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

Ill agree that some are racist but there are some that are just sick of the way the non muslins are treated in the U.K. & just want to voice their opinions.
Why are these hate preachers not arrested?

Do please elaborate.

Pumpkinseeds

Help!!!! wrote: »

So are the people of Rotherham who clapped them as they walked down the streets racist too?
There are a great deal of of non Muslim people in the U.K. who feel let down by the government & are tired of being accused of being a racist if they put up the St Georges flag outside their home
They said they were going on a peaceful protest & they did, they were not the ones throwing things

So, where were the clapping people of Rotherham when the kids were being abused? The kids that were abused largely came from families where the parents didn't really give a rats arse where their kids where, who they were with or what they were doing. These fine upstanding citizens weren't interested in the welfare of those kids and they couldn't give a flying fig about them now.

DeadHand

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

So, where were the clapping people of Rotherham when the kids were being abused? The kids that were abused largely came from families where the parents didn't really give a rats arse where their kids where, who they were with or what they were doing. These fine upstanding citizens weren't interested in the welfare of those kids and they couldn't give a flying fig about them now.

The rampant, widespread rape and torture of white children and young women by gangs of Muslim men was commonly known about by the rest of the community in Rotherham. Anyone who brought it to the attention of the authorities was roundly ignored, thanks to political correctness. Many in authority who brought it to the attention of their superiors were not only ignored but undermined and disciplined. Thanks, again, to political correctness.

The father who desperately tried to free his daughter from the clutches of one of these rings only to be arrested by the police for doing so. Did he not give a rats arse?

True, failure of parenting was a huge factor in the case. Still, the ultimate blame for the horror lies with the crippling culture of political correctness and moral cowardice within the authorities and those doing the actual raping.

I agree that the social standing of the victims delayed moves to protect them but the fault lies squarely with those who had the official power to act. What would you have the plain people of Rotherham do after the law failed them, after their misgivings and suspicions were dismissed out of hand? Round up the men suspected of involvement and lynch them?

Pumpkinseeds

DeadHand wrote: »

The rampant, widespread rape and torture of white children and young women by gangs of Muslim men was commonly known about by the rest of the community in Rotherham. Anyone who brought it to the attention of the authorities was roundly ignored, thanks to political correctness. Many in authority who brought it to the attention of their superiors were not only ignored but undermined and disciplined. Thanks, again, to political correctness.

The father who desperately tried to free his daughter from the clutches of one of these rings only to be arrested by the police for doing so. Did he not give a rats arse?

True, failure of parenting was a huge factor in the case. Still, the ultimate blame for the horror lies with the crippling culture of political correctness and moral cowardice within the authorities and those doing the actual raping.

I agree that the social standing of the victims delayed moves to protect them but the fault lies squarely with those who had the official power to act. What would you have the plain people of Rotherham do after the law failed them, after their misgivings and suspicions were dismissed out of hand? Round up the men suspected of involvement and lynch them?

Rounding up the men suspected of involvement is the kind of thing that the white extremists are trying to do. There is no doubt that there were many contributing factors that allowed the abuse to be covered up. I don't believe that bringing white extremists into a community to stir up tension in any way helps anybody in the community. Half a million pounds was spent on policing that 1 march. That's half a million pounds that could have been put to better use such as providing better services within Rotherham.

Help!!!!

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Rounding up the men suspected of involvement is the kind of thing that the white extremists are trying to do. There is no doubt that there were many contributing factors that allowed the abuse to be covered up. I don't believe that bringing white extremists into a community to stir up tension in any way helps anybody in the community. Half a million pounds was spent on policing that 1 march. That's half a million pounds that could have been put to better use such as providing better services within Rotherham.

Don't you mean white protestors? If you look at the program they said they were going on a peaceful protest. The main cause of the problems were the police. It doesn't matter what a person looks like

DeadHand

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Rounding up the men suspected of involvement is the kind of thing that the white extremists are trying to do

No, they aren't. Not yet, at least.

Produce one case of a lynching or attempted lynching by a "white extremist" group in Britain in modern times. As much as the leftwing, liberal media and many national governments would have us believe that the far right are as big threat to European society as Muslim extremists are it simply isn't true.

There is no doubt that there were many contributing factors that allowed the abuse to be covered up. I don't believe that bringing white extremists into a community to stir up tension in any way helps anybody in the community

Had the authorities had the courage and conviction to do their jobs in the first place these idiots wouldn't have bothered coming to Rotherham and the indigenous people of that unhappy city wouldn't have felt drawn to them.

It's a story we're seeing all over Europe- ordinary people being drawn to the far right by disillusionment at all the failure of mainstream politics to do anything about the Islamification of swathes of European cities, the culture of appeasement toward aggressive Islam and by frustration at the poisoning of open, honest debate by the perpetually, professionally offended scouring the press and airwaves for an opportunity to scream "racist" and "bigot" at anyone who expresses even the mildest misgiving at the affects of mass immigration on our societies and the now obvious problem of Islam and it's compatibility with Western values.

Half a million pounds was spent on policing that 1 march. That's half a million pounds that could have been put to better use such as providing better services within Rotherham.

Agreed. Doing something about Muslim rape gangs, for example.

Nodin

DeadHand wrote: »

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It's a story we're seeing all over Europe- ordinary people being drawn to the far right by disillusionment at all the failure of mainstream politics to do anything about the Islamification of swathes of European cities, the culture of appeasement toward aggressive Islam and by frustration at the poisoning of open, honest debate by the perpetually, professionally offended scouring the press and airwaves for an opportunity to scream "racist" and "bigot" at anyone who expresses even the mildest misgiving at the affects of mass immigration on our societies and the now obvious problem of Islam and it's compatibility with Western values.



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Like the way Birmingham is a muslim city? Spare us the "Islamification" guff please.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No.. it's a factual statement. If the girls had been Asian and were identified as such in the report is that "wrong" too?

This is putting wordss in my mouth: you assume that I think the race is important - I don't - THAT'S my point: why is the race important?

If someone robs a shop and I witness it, and the guy happened to be black (or white, or Asian or whatever) - am I "racist" by repeating this in my statement to the Gardai, or am I simply stating the facts of the matter?

There's a difference here in fairness: in one, you are reporting specific facts to the police in order to help with an investigation, and would assumed to be forwarding ALL facts. In the other, the party reporting is choosing which facts to report and which not.

My question was simple: is the race of the victim important? (Specific to media here, as is the topic of the thread, not to crime in investigations)

The point is that there is a certain element who seem determined to find something objectionable in everything and usually by throwing out PC-terms or accusations against the one making the statement without considering the content or intent of what they said.

By doing so it also serves to deflect from the point itself - which in this instance that young girls are being sexually assaulted and raped.

Now you tell me.. which is more important? Highlighting their plight, or confusing the matter by objecting over some perceived slight to someone's personal sensibilities that has no basis in the facts.

The plight is already highlighted. Again, you're putting words in my mouth: I never said that one was more important than the other, I never said that the issue was not being addressed and I never said the plight was not highlighted. These are all asuumptions that you have made and that I have not in any way indicated are impressions that I have.

The thread topic is how the media portray people. I merely twsited it a little to add all parties that are being covewred by the media. I'm trying to hightlight the media here by brigning up the issue of the lanague they used in a specifc case. I haven't actually made any comment about the case itself becaue the theread is not about the specific case, and to imply that I did is fallacy.

Pumpkinseeds

Help!!!! wrote: »

Don't you mean white protestors? If you look at the program they said they were going on a peaceful protest. The main cause of the problems were the police. It doesn't matter what a person looks like

I saw absolutely nothing peaceful in their peaceful protests. Even when a white person stepped into the carraige on the train they were greeted with 'fcuk off, you're in the wrong place'. Pissed up bullies drinking cans of lager while walking down the street looking for a fight, they don't care if it's a Muslim a Jew or a rival football supporter so long as they have a fight and get to shout abuse at someone. One of the guys distanced himself from them when they started targetting people in their homes and beating them up. What those guys are is the British version of the KKK. Thugs and nothing more.

I lived and worked in England for years and I spent time working in both Bradford and Leeds. I found a lot of Muslim, Indian and Pakistani men arrogant and condescending towards me and other women. I never felt intimidated by those men though, the ones that made me feel intimidated were the kind of loud, yobbish, white scum that have the so called Angry White and Proud mentality. Those men have nothing to feel proud about.

gormdubhgorm

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Cowing to the Muslim murderers - absolutely disgraceful.

This sends a firm statement - terrorism works.

If terrorism worked there would a United Ireland :rolleyes:

The British media have a record of banning songs for example the Pogues song about the Birmingham 6 /Guildford 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421828030&v=RbcsOzmVmy0&x-yt-cl=84411374#t=47

reprise

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My question was simple: is the race of the victim important? (Specific to media here, as is the topic of the thread, not to crime in investigations)

As was already stated to you, the race of the victims was of paramount importance to the kiddy rapers. It's part of the sick story.

DeadHand

Nodin wrote: »

Like the way Birmingham is a muslim city? Spare us the "Islamification" guff please.

It's vaguely sad to see you and your mass-immigration-at-all-costs-everything-is-grand-with-Islam stance so thoroughly proven wrong by ongoing events and outflanked in arguments like this that you are either conspicuous by your silence or reduced to pathetic flapping like that.

Nodin

DeadHand wrote: »

It's vaguely sad to see you and your mass-immigration-at-all-costs-everything-is-grand-with-Islam stance so thoroughly proven wrong by ongoing events and outflanked in arguments like this that you are either conspicuous by your silence or reduced to pathetic flapping like that.

"mass immigration at all costs"? I think you're confusing me with somebody else.

Allow me to point out that I'm about as reduced to "flapping" by the usual tired Islamophobic clichés as Paris is a 'muslim no go zone'. The fact is that society had the discussion about how to proceed many years ago, and it didn't go the way of the xenophobe, racist or bigot.

RobYourBuilder

DeadHand wrote: »

It's vaguely sad to see you and your mass-immigration-at-all-costs-everything-is-grand-with-Islam stance so thoroughly proven wrong by ongoing events and outflanked in arguments like this that you are either conspicuous by your silence or reduced to pathetic flapping like that.

Note that he completely ignored this remark;

white scum

Any other ethnic group and he would have been all over it.

Aongus Von Bismarck

The European Union needs immigration. We need the movement of people between countries. We need people willing to work in the service industry for low wages. And to move up through the pay structure based on their work ethic and skills. That's the principle of the Europe that we all voted for. A Europe free of fascist and far-left tyranny.

porsche959

Nodin wrote: »

"mass immigration at all costs"? I think you're confusing me with somebody else.

Allow me to point out that I'm about as reduced to "flapping" by the usual tired Islamophobic clichés as Paris is a 'muslim no go zone'. The fact is that society had the discussion about how to proceed many years ago, and it didn't go the way of the xenophobe, racist or bigot.

Haven't time to read the whole thread but I am guessing from the subject matter that the usual suspects will reply to your mere mention of Islamophobia with dismissive assertions that it doesn't exist (one is immune from bigotry/bias unless one is a fully signed up card carrying KKK member, apparently).

David Aaronovitch here did a good explanation of why Islamophobia is real:

http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/07/david-aaronovitch-reply-to-douglas-murray-on-islamophobia/