Do you find Mayweather's style boring?

magma69

Following on from a disagreement in which another poster thinks most people find his fighting style boring, I'm interested to see what people think of his style here and how they feel about Wlad's style.

I love watching Mayweather fight. His shoulder roll defence is something I really enjoy. He allows a free hand to counter and uses his shoulder to protect one side of him. His cat like reflexes and upper body movement are fantastic to watch.

The accuracy of his jab is excellent and his check hook shot is probably my favourite punch by him. He's got a varied offensive arsenal but one thing I don't like is how he's less likely to throw combos and generally favours single shots or one-twos now. In his days at 130 he threw awesome combos.

I've never cheered for Mayweather in my like but I don't find him boring, some of his fights have been underwhelming but overall he's definitely an entertaining fighter. Even the fights where he's been completely dominant, watching his technical ability is a joy to watch.

efb

I love his skill and craft

prettyboy81

No Way is he boring, a ring craftsman.

kryogen

He's entertaining

Boring as hell, but very efficient. Takes zero risk, there is skill to what he does, naturally, but to call it exciting is a bit odd. He isn't good at throwing combos to pick up on something I saw in the OP. I love Vitali and Wlad, but to call Wlad exciting in particular would also be a bit mental though I recognise how talented he is and how well he has honed his style.

You can be brilliant, and boring. Mayweather is that.

Henno30

He can produce mind-numbingly boring fights. But if an opponent can cut the ring off, back him up, or had the speed to throw with him then he can be great to watch.

Overall I think he's far too willing to stink the place out.

walshb

He's quite an unconventional and unorthodox puncher. Nothing pretty with his offense. Bit odd. Great feet and balance, wonderful timing and very good defense. Just not someone I would pay to see. Last two fights he was very off I felt. OTT preoccupied with not getting hit. His offensive output/effectiveness in the last two fights was poor.

boxer.fan

I know enough to really appreciate & enjoy Mayweather's skills in the ring. But no, he is not exciting in the same way others are.

Put it like this, I would find it much easier to sit up late for Golovkin, Kovalev, Stevenson, Frampton, Lee, Provodnikov, Manny, et al.

Hinomaru

I think if you appreciate the art of boxing you can never find Mayweather boring. He's a master in the art of defensive fighting. People who say he's boring probably don't understand the sport.

walshb

Hinomaru wrote: »

I think if you appreciate the art of boxing you can never find Mayweather boring. He's a master in the art of defensive fighting. People who say he's boring probably don't understand the sport.

But there's a lot more to the sport than defense. I actually find his defense "too safe" to be something that I admire and find interesting. Gimme' sweet Pea's and Toney's D any day.

efb

Good ring craft includes the art of not getting hit and his offense is top notch too. The complete boxer

walshb

efb wrote: »

Good ring craft includes the art of not getting hit and his offense is top notch too. The complete boxer

But the question was more about his style being exciting. I don't find his particular style of D exciting. His offense suffers a bit (output and substance wise) because he's too preoccupied with not getting tagged.

efb

I find this interesting and exciting, you don't, I can accept that, but the question was, do you find him boring, I never have.

Will I Amnt

efb wrote: »

I find this interesting and exciting, you don't, I can accept that

But you thanked that pretentious post saying that people who find his style boring probably don't understand the sport, doesn't sound like acceptance to me...

efb

I often find people who find Mayweather boring like cage fighting

efb

Will I Amnt wrote: »

But you thanked that pretentious post saying that people who find his style boring probably don't understand the sport, doesn't sound like acceptance to me...

I agreed with the first two sentences

Will I Amnt

efb wrote: »

I agreed with the first two sentences

Fair enough.

Hinomaru

walshb wrote: »

But there's a lot more to the sport than defense. I actually find his defense "too safe" to be something that I admire and find interesting. Gimme' sweet Pea's and Toney's D any day.

All boxers would love to be able to do what Floyd does. The aim of the sport is to hit and not get hit, Most boxers can't do that so they resort to brawler styles, exchanging blows. No fighter wants to take punishment, Floyd barely gets touched. You have to admire that skill, he's a master of the art.

I get that people might not like his attitude outside the ring. But when the bell rings, It's all business

walshb

Hinomaru wrote: »

All boxers would love to be able to do what Floyd does. The aim of the sport is to hit and not get hit, Most boxers can't do that so they resort to brawler styles, exchanging blows. No fighter wants to take punishment, Floyd barely gets touched. You have to admire that skill, he's a master of the art.

I get that people might not like his attitude outside the ring. But when the bell rings, It's all business

I do admire that, but I just think that he is a bit too preoccupied with it, and it hurts his offense. He's not as natural a defensive fighter as we think. He really has to focus. I also do think that he uses a lot of spoiling and ducking for his defense, as well as holding and fouling. There are many greats out there who could be similar to Floyd if they really put 80 percent effort into not getting hit, and 20 percent into hitting. His last fight for me was a very weak performance. His offense had very little substance to it because he really neglected it to focus on not getting hit.

Hinomaru

walshb wrote: »

But the question was more about his style being exciting. I don't find his particular style of D exciting. His offense suffers a bit (output and substance wise) because he's too preoccupied with not getting tagged.

Who he hell wants to get tagged? Floyd has developed a winning style that works for him. In his words "Nobody has cracked the Mayvinci Code.

If you want athletes to do back flips for your entertainment go watch the WWE.

walshb

Hinomaru wrote: »

Who he hell wants to get tagged? Floyd has developed a winning style that works for him. In his words "Nobody has cracked the Mayvinci Code.

If you want athletes to do back flips for your entertainment go watch the WWE.

Bit of an OTT reaction there....

Like I said, I am aware that most don't like getting hit. The question is do we find his style boring. I wouldn't say boring, but it's not all that interesting watching a fighter being OTT defensive and very scarce on offense.His recent outings for me have been far too much defense.

Hinomaru

walshb wrote: »

Bit of an OTT reaction there....

Like I said, I am aware that most don't like getting hit. The question is do we find his style boring. I wouldn't say boring, but it's not all that interesting watching a fighter being OTT defensive and very scarce on offense.His recent outings for me have been far too much defense.

Well it seems to be working fairly well for him so far don't you think? For me watching him is very entertaining. It's a master class.

walshb

Hinomaru wrote: »

"Nobody has cracked the Mayvinci Code.

I thought Castillo did first time round.

You could say that about any undefeated fighter.

walshb

Hinomaru wrote: »

Well it seems to be working fairly well for him so far don't you think? For me watching him is very entertaining. It's a master class.

It sure is working for him, and will serve him well in later life.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

The facts are that Mayweather has low punch output and he hasn't had a legitimate knock out in over 7 years. He's fascinating to watch but oddly I don't find him entertaining.

I am the same. I am always intrigued to watch how he does against different styles, but I always come away feeling let down. It's like he holds back too much. His last few fights have been against men I really expected him to beat. Canelo looks better on Floyd's ledger than he really is. Guerrero and Miadana and some others juts don't make me feel that Floyd has done anything special.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

I thought Canelo was a legitimate opponent given the size differential.It's easy to discredit opponents after the fight happens but I think that's a name that would stand out on his CV.
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Cannelo was a very credible foe, but for me he was not a major threat. Too slow, and feet a bit too stiff. plus he agreed to 152 lbs. That's a lot when you consider that he must really work hard to make 154 lbs.

How can he be more entertaining. Easy. Fight a bit harder. I think he would be winning the fights more clearly if he just took a chance. Too much non action and avoidance. That's fine for stealing wins and keeping safe, but it's boring as hell after a while.

kryogen

He's entertaining

Hinomaru wrote: »

I think if you appreciate the art of boxing you can never find Mayweather boring. He's a master in the art of defensive fighting. People who say he's boring probably don't understand the sport.

What a load of cock.

kryogen

He's entertaining

efb wrote: »

I often find people who find Mayweather boring like cage fighting

I often find pretentious people amusing. Like now

kryogen

He's entertaining

efb wrote: »

I agreed with the first two sentences

Its pretty clear from your post directly above the one I have quoted that you agreed with every little sentiment of that pretentious bollix.

efb

kryogen wrote: »

Its pretty clear from your post directly above the one I have quoted that you agreed with every little sentiment of that pretentious bollix.

How so?

kryogen

He's entertaining

Hinomaru wrote: »

Who he hell wants to get tagged? Floyd has developed a winning style that works for him. In his words "Nobody has cracked the Mayvinci Code.

If you want athletes to do back flips for your entertainment go watch the WWE.

I feel like you are arguing against a point that hasn't been made tbh.

Is Mayweather an incredible boxer? Yes
Is his defence top notch? Certainly
Has he mastered the art of counter punching? Yes

Is his style exciting? **** no.

Does that take anything away from his status? Of course not.

No need to be pre occupied with expressing the man love for him, nobody has questioned his ability, his excitement level is certainly there to be debated.

Insulting anybody who does not agree with your opinion is a pretty sure fire way to lose the argument.

kryogen

He's entertaining

efb wrote: »

How so?

Really?

I refuse to believe I have to spell it out, sorry.

efb

I am never bored by watching a master craftsman at work

efb

kryogen wrote: »

Really?

I refuse to believe I have to spell it out, sorry.

That's a cop out

kryogen

He's entertaining

efb wrote: »

I am never bored by watching a master craftsman at work

efb wrote: »

That's a cop out

And you are fully entitled to those opinions.

I would be interested to hear what gets you on the edge of your seat about Mayweathers style, or has you jump up and down or gets the adrenaline pumping if you want to venture it, but no problems if you don't.

Like others have said, I find his fights fascinating, but not exciting, its always like he sucks the life out of it for me.

efb

kryogen wrote: »

And you are fully entitled to those opinions.

I would be interested to hear what gets you on the edge of your seat about Mayweathers style, or has you jump up and down or gets the adrenaline pumping if you want to venture it, but no problems if you don't.

Like others have said, I find his fights fascinating, but not exciting, its always like he sucks the life out of it for me.

Maybe it was the time I was in the MGM when he smashed Hatton off the ring post :P

Tiriel

Have your opinions and debate, but do not resort to abusing other members. Warning issued , if you have a problem with that take it up with the Moderators.

Chrissybhoy

You don't have to be on the edge of your seat to be entertained. It does not have to be a toe to toe battle to enjoy a fight. Some people are entertained and enjoy looking at the skills he brings to the ring and how easy he gets through a fight or adapts during fights when you think he's in trouble. I do agree he has got safer with age but he knows his body best. His fists maybe one reason. Overall I've enjoyed his career

kryogen

He's entertaining

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

You don't have to be on the edge of your seat to be entertained. It does not have to be a toe to toe battle to enjoy a fight. Some people are entertained and enjoy looking at the skills he brings to the ring and how easy he gets through a fight or adapts during fights when you think he's in trouble. I do agree he has got safer with age but he knows his body best. His fists maybe one reason. Overall I've enjoyed his career

You don't have to pretend something is exciting simply because of the skill level involved either though. Having the skills and ability is one thing, using them in an exciting manner is another thing. Klitschko is an incredible boxer, he has mastered his art, he has a great defence and will often, 9/10 just jab his way to victory, is it possible for him to be more aggressive and excite fans, knock guys out? Yes it is, but he doesn't do it, he does the minimum possible to win, he doesn't exert himself any more then he needs to.

I appreciate how good he is, how technically proficient he is, I am a huge fan and rank both brothers high in an all time list, or at the very least I feel both would be a good match for any of the all time greats, but I could not say with a straight face that Klitschko is exciting as a fighter, it goes against reason to say that someone who takes zero risk and is always safety first is also exciting.

It is not actually a slur against him either, it is clearly very effective, this is how he wants to win and win he is. Same with Mayweather, nobody has doubted his ability, nobody has made light of how much work he puts in, how high the bar has been set by him in terms of evasive boxing and how skillfully he avoids punches, it is a system that has proved extremely effective for him but again, the zero risk and safety first strategy is not something you can call exciting.

That style of fighter is boring, nothing wrong with it. If you get excited by Mayweathers style (not him, not his skill set, not his trash talk) his style of boxing then fair enough, it certainly doesn't excite me though.

efb

kryogen wrote: »

You don't have to pretend something is exciting simply because of the skill level involved either though. Having the skills and ability is one thing, using them in an exciting manner is another thing. Klitschko is an incredible boxer, he has mastered his art, he has a great defence and will often, 9/10 just jab his way to victory, is it possible for him to be more aggressive and excite fans, knock guys out? Yes it is, but he doesn't do it, he does the minimum possible to win, he doesn't exert himself any more then he needs to.

I appreciate how good he is, how technically proficient he is, I am a huge fan and rank both brothers high in an all time list, or at the very least I feel both would be a good match for any of the all time greats, but I could not say with a straight face that Klitschko is exciting as a fighter, it goes against reason to say that someone who takes zero risk and is always safety first is also exciting.

It is not actually a slur against him either, it is clearly very effective, this is how he wants to win and win he is. Same with Mayweather, nobody has doubted his ability, nobody has made light of how much work he puts in, how high the bar has been set by him in terms of evasive boxing and how skillfully he avoids punches, it is a system that has proved extremely effective for him but again, the zero risk and safety first strategy is not something you can call exciting.

That style of fighter is boring, nothing wrong with it. If you get excited by Mayweathers style (not him, not his skill set, not his trash talk) his style of boxing then fair enough, it certainly doesn't excite me though.

I've had my fun, that's all that matters...

kryogen

He's entertaining

efb wrote: »

I've had my fun, that's all that matters...

Excellent riposte good sir

walshb

efb wrote: »

Maybe it was the time I was in the MGM when he smashed Hatton off the ring post :P

Apart from a few good moments in that fight it was pretty messy and boring. It was Hatton vs. Floyd&Cortez!

Spazdarn

He's entertaining

His mantra is hit and don't get hit. I can be boring, but it's how he's preserved his record.

If I'm staying up at 3am - 4am to watch a big fight, I'd prefer to see any all action war.

He's not quite boring but he's not really exciting either. Watching the technical chess match type fights are good to watch every once in while but more often than not I want to see a war.

walshb

And if he fought more whilst in D mode I could enjoy him more. Too much ducking and diving and holding and fouling. He has good inside skills. He just doesn't use them enough. Prefers to hold and spoil.

efb

walshb wrote: »

Apart from a few good moments in that fight it was pretty messy and boring. It was Hatton vs. Floyd&Cortez!

Hatton want allowed spill like Mickey Vann used let him. Nothing wood with Cortez's reffing. It's boxing not a bar room brawl

efb

Spazdarn wrote: »

His mantra is hit and don't get hit. I can be boring, but it's how he's preserved his record.

If I'm staying up at 3am - 4am to watch a big fight, I'd prefer to see any all action war.

He's not quite boring but he's not really exciting either. Watching the technical chess match type fights are good to watch every once in while but more often than not I want to see a war.

The better boxers are above that but can resort if necessary

Chrissybhoy

He has had plenty of entertaining fights throughout his career. People are judging his career on his last 4/5 years he's being boxing 20

efb

pac_man wrote: »

Are you seriously saying that Cortez did nothing wrong in that fight or have I misinterpreted the typo?

yes. Was he sanctioned? No.

efb

efb wrote: »

Was he sanctioned? No.

Heh.

walshb

efb wrote: »

yes. Was he sanctioned? No.

Case closed then..........

Littlehorny

He's entertaining

I think a good comparison of Floyd against other great fighters is when they were dominant in there fights and had gotten on top of their oponents, you know they were going down. When Hagler, Hearns, Leonard or Tyson got on top in a fight you knew they were going to finish their men off.
Mayweather would rather win rounds while on the back foot and coast to a UD.

walshb

Littlehorny wrote: »

I think a good comparison of Floyd against other great fighters is when they were dominant in there fights and had gotten on top of their oponents, you know they were going down. When Hagler, Hearns, Leonard or Tyson got on top in a fight you knew they were going to finish their men off.
Mayweather would rather win rounds while on the back foot and coast to a UD.

And at times he's not even coasting, he's ducking and diving and holding. Just caught a rerun of the Guerrero fight. Part of me agrees with tit Guerrero and tit Guerrero Senior. Floyd is chicken. Should have put a pasting on Guerrero, but too nervous to engage in any decisive manner.