Paris Attacks

shanered

Could it be another false flag?
Certainly strange timing for the suicide of the main investigator. Maybe he knew something and was in too deep....

Either way terrible news about his taking of his own life, but it does fuel speculation, any thoughts?

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/10/new-twist-charlie-hebdo-lead-investigator-turns-up-dead-suicided/

STADEdeLUC

http://educateinspirechange.org/alternative-news/video-evidence-sheds-doubt-official-story-charlie-hebdo-shootings-paris/

shanered

I can agree with that last link in that shot from that distance would have made a serious mess if it did hit that policeman in the head.
It definitely doesnt look like a headshot in the clip shown anyway.

stuar

The clip of the police man supposedly shot in the head definately looks suspicious, I've watched people on liveleak take similar shots and it's definately a lot bloodier, half his head should have been splattered across the pavement, and blood normally spills from such wound instantly, after being "shot" in the head the officer is still in the frame for a further 5 seconds and not a drop of blood to be seen anywhere.

Then the police commissioner Helric Fredou investigating the crime decides to commit suicide alone in his office while preparing his report after interviewing family members of one of the victims, very strange timing...
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150111/1016754353.html

I was wondering could this be a mossad false flag/psy-op?

Netanyahu warns of 'grave mistake' if France recognises Palestine

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-warns-grave-mistake-france-recognises-palestine-153929394.html#JmJLJCo

Netanyahu warns of 'grave mistake' if France recognises Palestine

http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-netanyahu-warns-of-grave-mistake-if-france-recognises-palestine-2014-11#ixzz3OXVbilAK

Then France goes and makes a "Grave mistake".

French MPs recognise Palestine as state

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/12/french-mps-hold-palestine-vote-201412261417482498.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Co6HhRzFk

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3977443272001/warning-graphic-gunmen-execute-paris-police-officer/#sp=show-clips&v=3977443272001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj4mUPfB4Vs

ankaragucu

That Sky reporter's comments were VERY strange to say the least.The blood stains on the pavement are at least 3 feet away from where his body was lying.
The footage was filmed from an upper story building directly across the street by someone who just happened to have a video camera ready to go.
Yes there were men firing guns but the streets in the footage are totally empty, like really deserted.Contrast that with the murder of the army band guy in England last year on the street.
Now reports of an investigating police boss committing suicide.
And thats not being covered by any US or British media?
Know its easy to say but there does seem to be SOMETHING going on here.

Stingerbar

shanered wrote: »

Could it be another false flag?
Certainly strange timing for the suicide of the main investigator. Maybe he knew something and was in too deep....

Either way terrible news about his taking of his own life, but it does fuel speculation, any thoughts?

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/10/new-twist-charlie-hebdo-lead-investigator-turns-up-dead-suicided/

He was the police chief of a town hundreds of km away from Paris. Wasn't the main investigator, all those of the same rank/position were on the case

Here's the French article on his death (use translate)
http://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/limousin/2015/01/08/limoges-suicide-d-un-commissaire-de-police-626916.html

ankaragucu

But was it suicide at all?

Another you tube video now seems to show that the car in the headshot clip and the car that was found abandoned and lifted by French police were NOT the same car!Same make and model and colour yes, but the wing mirrors are different colours on the two cars.Oh dear.

shanered

President making Illuminati Reference here!

shanered

http://bbc-news.co.uk/doubts-raised-over-authenticity-of-charlie-hebdo-footage/

And BBC are even calling the attacks into question now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPy6aOpPbTk

Timfy

This is NOT a BBC site! It is a fake site made to look like the BBC News pages!

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shanered wrote: »

http://bbc-news.co.uk/doubts-raised-over-authenticity-of-charlie-hebdo-footage/

And BBC are even calling the attacks into question now...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPy6aOpPbTk

shanered

Beano wrote: »

maybe its a double-bluff by mossad to discredit those that think the attacks were a mossad conspiracy?

I would guess more geo-political motives myself....

Nice take though! Can't beat a double bluff!

SamHarris

Beano wrote: »

maybe its a double-bluff by mossad to discredit those that think the attacks were a mossad conspiracy?

Or you have reached the conclusion before you have seen any evidence that it was mossad/CIA and now bend any evidence to make it indicate your theory is correct. Fake site? Double bluff. Real evidence? ?planted. Person confessed? Lying/fabricated. Video of assault? Anomaly hunt by people who know nothing about what it SHOULD look like.

As soon as this happened I knew there would be people saying just this, and I knew what their politics would be.

Same old same old, nothing to do with reality, everything to do with the persons politics.

The Iranians agree http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/01/10/392426/Planted-ID-card-exposes-Paris-false-flag

and no doubt in a few days that wonderful RT will come out with ... the TRUTH. Or at least a few versions of it, anything that people of a certain politics would like to believe.

SamHarris

shanered wrote: »

I would guess more geo-political motives myself....

Nice take though! Can't beat a double bluff!

Explain "geopolitical motives"

endacl

SamHarris wrote: »

Explain "geopolitical motives"

Non specific pseudo plausible sounding nonsense?

SamHarris

endacl wrote: »

Non specific pseudo plausible sounding nonsense?

Ah but of course.

Probably has something to do with the global military industrial Mossad complex that the CIA are always doing things ... for.

shanered

Geopolitics (from Greek γη ge "earth/land" and πολιτική politikē "politics") is the study of the effects of geography (human and physical) on international politics and international relations.

I believe the attacks would fit into the current situation in the middle east to be specific. That would be the area of geography which would be in question, and the politics of it would be turn public opinion towards an anti-Islamic sentiment. It might as suggested have something to do with France recognising Palestine as a state which would be another example of geo-political motives.

The geography of the middle east is under immense change at the moment with the area being essentially being split up into ethnic groups. We have for example the Kurds looking like there might be a new state there, and we have the Jews in Israel expanding its lands also. We have massive splits in Syria and Iraq and turning European opinion against Muslims in general will help create a wedge between the Europeans and people under huge stresses in the middle east. The middle east is becoming a very divided place and it would help to divide the Europeans from friendly sentiments so that the atrocities which are and have happened there are pushed further from people from european people's conciences..

So in short, I mean politics with regard to areas of geography when I say geo-political motives.

And just because you don't understand words no need to get defensive and try make me look like an idiot, deflection is easy but forming an opinion is a little harder, so i'm going to ask you a question, do either of you think that police officer was shot in that video?
Do you think there is reason for concern about the video which may have be edited as reported by BBC?
Can you see how this could be a massive tool to increase anti-Islamic sentiment in Europe at a time of huge changes in the middle eat?

rozeboosje

Beano wrote: »

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. It would serve you well to not take everything you read so literally.

Looks like someone's Satire-O-Meter is on the blink XD

SamHarris

Beano wrote: »

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. It would serve you well to not take everything you read so literally.

It would do everyone who takes these things to not so selectively believe things that conform to their politics and world view.

SamHarris

shanered wrote: »

Geopolitics (from Greek γη ge "earth/land" and πολιτική politikē "politics") is the study of the effects of geography (human and physical) on international politics and international relations.

I believe the attacks would fit into the current situation in the middle east to be specific. That would be the area of geography which would be in question, and the politics of it would be turn public opinion towards an anti-Islamic sentiment. It might as suggested have something to do with France recognising Palestine as a state which would be another example of geo-political motives.

The geography of the middle east is under immense change at the moment with the area being essentially being split up into ethnic groups. We have for example the Kurds looking like there might be a new state there, and we have the Jews in Israel expanding its lands also. We have massive splits in Syria and Iraq and turning European opinion against Muslims in general will help create a wedge between the Europeans and people under huge stresses in the middle east. The middle east is becoming a very divided place and it would help to divide the Europeans from friendly sentiments so that the atrocities which are and have happened there are pushed further from people from european people's conciences..

So in short, I mean politics with regard to areas of geography when I say geo-political motives.

And just because you don't understand words no need to get defensive and try make me look like an idiot, deflection is easy but forming an opinion is a little harder, so i'm going to ask you a question, do either of you think that police officer was shot in that video?
Do you think there is reason for concern about the video which may have be edited as reported by BBC?
Can you see how this could be a massive tool to increase anti-Islamic sentiment in Europe at a time of huge changes in the middle eat?

So who carried it out and how? Fitting in with all we know about the situation.

SamHarris

Beano wrote: »

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear. It would serve you well to not take everything you read so literally.

Also it's near impossible to tell on this forum whats a joke and what people genuinely believe. Apologies if yours was the former, but my post was to people in general not directed just at you.

endacl

Beano wrote: »

but it was directed at me. you quoted me, remember? perhaps you shouldnt be so quick to judge people?

The CIA/Mossad made him do it.

Fact.

rozeboosje

No we didn't

shanered

SamHarris wrote: »

So who carried it out and how? Fitting in with all we know about the situation.

Nice question, but i'm busy here trying to get through to the french embassy first to tell them my take.

Any chance of actually responding to my questions?
Here they are again.....
Quote: "deflection is easy but forming an opinion is a little harder, so i'm going to ask you a question, do either of you think that police officer was shot in that video?
Do you think there is reason for concern about the video which may have be edited as reported by BBC?
Can you see how this could be a massive tool to increase anti-Islamic sentiment in Europe at a time of huge changes in the middle eat?"

I spotted a few spelling mistakes on second read....must nooooot edit!!!

And to answer your question who and how, unless you believe these lads who obviously had the attack planned out and had training of some sort somehow left their ID card in the car, I wouldn't be too sure who they were and why they were doing it exactly.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the female attacker, did she just get away?
I somehow doubt she will get her say in the end anyway for some reason....
All the others are dead so we will never get to hear what they say either.

There seems to be a few strange things about the shootings which would lead you to think it was set-up, and where that question arises you naturally think, who benefits the most from the scenario most.

If you believe the official story and have problems with people who discuss such topics you should probably not bother coming to the conspiracy theory thread to converse with people who may want to discuss other possible outcomes, which I somehow doubt you will even engage with constructively by answering questions and sharing views.

Anyway, suprise me and share your views please

Penn

endacl wrote: »

The CIA/Mossad made him do it.

Fact.

rozeboosje wrote: »

No we didn't

Calm it down, lads. Discuss the topic civilly or not at all.

Beano

One thing struck me about the attack. there didnt seem to be the quest for martyrdom that you would expect. the two attackers covered their faces and made efforts to escape which initially succeeded. they just did what they set out to do and then ran.

SamHarris

Beano wrote: »

but it was directed at me. you quoted me, remember? perhaps you shouldnt be so quick to judge people?

I quoted you and then, directed a sentence at you then continued with the post. It's common practice rather than making two posts. Why are you trying to tell me what I meant by my own post? Is it not a little more likely that I know what I was saying and to whom?

degrassinoel

SamHarris wrote: »

I quoted you and then, directed a sentence at you then continued with the post. It's common practice rather than making two posts. Why are you trying to tell me what I meant by my own post? Is it not a little more likely that I know what I was saying and to whom?

that's enough, stay on topic or take it to PM.

SamHarris

shanered wrote: »

Nice question, but i'm busy here trying to get through to the french embassy first to tell them my take.

Any chance of actually responding to my questions?
Here they are again.....
Quote: "deflection is easy but forming an opinion is a little harder, so i'm going to ask you a question, do either of you think that police officer was shot in that video?
Do you think there is reason for concern about the video which may have be edited as reported by BBC?
Can you see how this could be a massive tool to increase anti-Islamic sentiment in Europe at a time of huge changes in the middle eat?"

I spotted a few spelling mistakes on second read....must nooooot edit!!!

And to answer your question who and how, unless you believe these lads who obviously had the attack planned out and had training of some sort somehow left their ID card in the car, I wouldn't be too sure who they were and why they were doing it exactly.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the female attacker, did she just get away?
I somehow doubt she will get her say in the end anyway for some reason....
All the others are dead so we will never get to hear what they say either.

There seems to be a few strange things about the shootings which would lead you to think it was set-up, and where that question arises you naturally think, who benefits the most from the scenario most.

If you believe the official story and have problems with people who discuss such topics you should probably not bother coming to the conspiracy theory thread to converse with people who may want to discuss other possible outcomes, which I somehow doubt you will even engage with constructively by answering questions and sharing views.

Anyway, suprise me and share your views please

Yes, I have no idea what it looks like someone getting shot from that direction and filmed from that area. If you are an expert in the area then sure I defer to you. If not I'll believe it until there is credible evidence that it is a forgery then I will continue to.

How was it a set up? Were these people paid? if not, then what and who? If the video is fake then why, by who and how much of the rest of is is fake? So far the only thing that you have said to support this massive assertion is your own incredibility about how "strange" a video looked and that an id card would be left behind. You see why this is not exactly persuasive against the "official story" which would require thousands of people to be lying and a few dozen to pretend to be dead.

With regard to why the ID was left behind I don't think it was an accident I think they wanted to be caught. It was a political act - they were proud of their actions, wanted everyone to know who did it and why. Were they planning on runnning away continuing to go around with their guns and hijacking cars, then taking another hostage would be strange, to say the least. Or is that all just part of the conspiracy to?

SamHarris

Beano wrote: »

If they wanted to be caught why wear balaclavas?

There is a great deal other actions they would have taken to avoid arrest/death was that there goal along with wearing a mask. Perhaps they wanted to maintain the subversion for a limited time so as to continue with the attack beyond the original incident.

I'm still waiting for a theory that fits all the pieces other than the "official" story. I mean is it just the case that people see something and say "THats a conspiracy!" And ThEN try and make things fit together so it is so?

Personal incredulity means nothing other than that.

Beano

Beano wrote: »

but it was directed at me. you quoted me, remember? perhaps you shouldnt be so quick to judge people?

well apparently i've been given a warning for this. so i'm done here.

SamHarris

So you must not think that those were the pupatrators and they were framed?

SamHarris

Beano wrote: »

well apparently i've been given a warning for this. so i'm done here.

Welcome to the club.

Didn't think there really was a theory, to be honest.

Beano

Beano wrote: »

well apparently i've been given a warning for this. so i'm done here.

**** it. i'm tired of the mods in this forum. closing account.

shanered

SamHarris wrote: »

Yes, I have no idea what it looks like someone getting shot from that direction and filmed from that area. If you are an expert in the area then sure I defer to you. If not I'll believe it until there is credible evidence that it is a forgery then I will continue to.

How was it a set up? Were these people paid? if not, then what and who? If the video is fake then why, by who and how much of the rest of is is fake? So far the only thing that you have said to support this massive assertion is your own incredibility about how "strange" a video looked and that an id card would be left behind. You see why this is not exactly persuasive against the "official story" which would require thousands of people to be lying and a few dozen to pretend to be dead.

With regard to why the ID was left behind I don't think it was an accident I think they wanted to be caught. It was a political act - they were proud of their actions, wanted everyone to know who did it and why. Were they planning on runnning away continuing to go around with their guns and hijacking cars, then taking another hostage would be strange, to say the least. Or is that all just part of the conspiracy to?

NSFW
New Uncensored Video - Taliban Execute 15 Pak Army ***GRAPHIC***
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f19_1328051308#Gtov4tIHmlfTFrrY.99
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f19_1328051308

and here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=284_1367376745

I'd be very wary of watching these but I feel obliged to show you what it looks like for somebody to be shot at such close range by such a weapon.

The main point you can see the impact and there is most certainly a spray of blood/brains from a shot from a live round such as what is supposably used in the attack in question.
I'm no expert, but I'm no fool either, it looks like it to me a blank was fired at the policeman in the video released and if that is faked or lied about it certainly opens up suspicion. And the ID story is unlikely in my humble opinion, if the guys planned and trained for such an attack why on gods earth would they convieniently leave their ID in the car whilst as pointed out gearing up in balaclavas?
The other video does seem to be edited also.

And to address your questions "How was it a set up? Were these people paid? if not, then what and who? If the video is fake then why, by who and how much of the rest of is is fake? "

I can only imagine the several ways such an exercise could be rehersed and carried out by anybody with any military training, it would be pure speculation on my behalf to start listing out possible scenarios. But if you watch a few of the videos previously posted you would get the general jist of it.
"Were these people paid?" It would be a possibility, but brainwashed or coerced in some form. I still think the main motivation for most likely outcome was some warped ideology of one form or another, but which exact one, well that is up for discussion.

"If the video is fake then why, by who and how much of the rest of is is fake?"

Again, its speculation, but for some reason the media doesn't seem to be speculating much about other possible outcomes other then the official story about it being a jihad against the cartoons.

These are questions which we should be thinking anyway, obviously many of the things shown to have happened happened, but there are some things that don't seem right..

Please share any things that might fuel and add to the discussion keeping in mind that this is the conspiracy theory forum and that's the point of this specific thread, is to try find holes in the official story and try speculate on why somebody other than who the official story says did it and why.

SamHarris

shanered wrote: »

NSFW
New Uncensored Video - Taliban Execute 15 Pak Army ***GRAPHIC***
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f19_1328051308#Gtov4tIHmlfTFrrY.99
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f19_1328051308

and here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=284_1367376745

I'd be very wary of watching these but I feel obliged to show you what it looks like for somebody to be shot at such close range by such a weapon.

The main point you can see the impact and there is most certainly a spray of blood/brains from a shot from a live round such as what is supposably used in the attack in question.
I'm no expert, but I'm no fool either, it looks like it to me a blank was fired at the policeman in the video released and if that is faked or lied about it certainly opens up suspicion. And the ID story is unlikely in my humble opinion, if the guys planned and trained for such an attack why on gods earth would they convieniently leave their ID in the car whilst as pointed out gearing up in balaclavas?
The other video does seem to be edited also.

And to address your questions "How was it a set up? Were these people paid? if not, then what and who? If the video is fake then why, by who and how much of the rest of is is fake? "

I can only imagine the several ways such an exercise could be rehersed and carried out by anybody with any military training, it would be pure speculation on my behalf to start listing out possible scenarios. But if you watch a few of the videos previously posted you would get the general jist of it.
"Were these people paid?" It would be a possibility, but brainwashed or coerced in some form. I still think the main motivation for most likely outcome was some warped ideology of one form or another, but which exact one, well that is up for discussion.

"If the video is fake then why, by who and how much of the rest of is is fake?"

Again, its speculation, but for some reason the media doesn't seem to be speculating much about other possible outcomes other then the official story about it being a jihad against the cartoons.

These are questions which we should be thinking anyway, obviously many of the things shown to have happened happened, but there are some things that don't seem right..

Please share any things that might fuel and add to the discussion keeping in mind that this is the conspiracy theory forum and that's the point of this specific thread, is to try find holes in the official story and try speculate on why somebody other than who the official story says did it and why.

I don't think I'll watch those videos, I'll take your word for it.

Though I do not think this is enough evidence to say for certain that the video is a fake, lets assume that it does for now, just to have a discussion.

I'm not being vexatious, but what would this indicate in the wider context of the attack? I suppose thats what your asking to. To me the overwhelming evidence is still that the official story is true. Who was the video released by, I guess would be the first clear question.

Then, lets make an even bigger assumption - the entire attack was a CT. Then by whom and to what end?

With regard to what the motivations would be and what group carried it out I think the media is within it's rights assuming Islamic terrorists on account of the cartoons. Just purely based on the last few decades of evidence and the threats made against the publisher would give that theory more weight than anything else (random attacker, etc etc).

Though I would like to hear other theories I think they should go a little further thna "It's mossad because I don't like Israel" / "CIA, I don't like the US". Which is all that is given far too often (the reason obviously not stated but made clear enough.

SamHarris

Ok I manned up and watched the videos and really I can see how the original movie we were referencing could have played out like that, partiuclarly with his head lying against the ground. The movie does not continue for long enough for us to see a pool of blood.

Obviously this is just conjecture, given neither of us are experts, but I would assume that like all these fake videos people that DO know what it looks like come forward and debunk it very quickly. Again, conjecture but thats my two cents.

shanered

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30778424

Cameron uses Paris dead to go all the way: 'There should be no "means of communication" which "we cannot read"'

This could be start of the europe's post 9/11 clampdown on civil liberties. Maybe this is the kind of direction it may take possibly..

degrassinoel

SamHarris wrote: »

Ok I manned up and watched the videos and really I can see how the original movie we were referencing could have played out like that, partiuclarly with his head lying against the ground. The movie does not continue for long enough for us to see a pool of blood.

Obviously this is just conjecture, given neither of us are experts, but I would assume that like all these fake videos people that DO know what it looks like come forward and debunk it very quickly. Again, conjecture but thats my two cents.

Theory and conjecture go hand in hand Sam, welcome to CT's!

Standman

I watched the above horrific videos and ironically they don't really support the argument that the poster in question was making. For a lot of those executions there was no visible blood at all.

Couldn't it also be possible that the bullet actually missed this policemans head and was misreported by the media as a fatal head shot in their rush to report the news in a chaotic and ongoing situation? The poor guy could have subsequently died from his other wounds.

I don't get why so many people seem to think that the media is deliberately lying rather than simply being mistaken, which so often happens in incidents like this.

Torakx

Standman wrote: »

I watched the above horrific videos and ironically they don't really support the argument that the poster in question was making. For a lot of those executions there was no visible blood at all.

Couldn't it also be possible that the bullet actually missed this policemans head and was misreported by the media as a fatal head shot in their rush to report the news in a chaotic and ongoing situation? The poor guy could have subsequently died from his other wounds.

I don't get why so many people seem to think that the media is deliberately lying rather than simply being mistaken, which so often happens in incidents like this.

I think the agenda is to spread fear.
As long as they are doing this, they are doing their job.
It doesn't mattter to the story if he really did get shot in the head. It would help, but no harm to them if they embellish the truth a little to spread more fear.

Stingerbar

Torakx wrote: »

I think the agenda is to spread fear.
As long as they are doing this, they are doing their job.
It doesn't mattter to the story if he really did get shot in the head. It would help, but no harm to them if they embellish the truth a little to spread more fear.

This is the definition of any conspiracy site I've ever come across

Standman

Standman wrote: »

I don't get why so many people seem to think that the media is deliberately lying rather than simply being mistaken, which so often happens in incidents like this.

Because if that was so, then there'd be nothing to show a conspiracy.

Like with pretty much every tragedy in the news, the conclusion that it was a conspiracy comes first, the evidence that it was is thrown together after the fact.
Anything that can be used to support the conspiracy, regardless of logic or explanation is accepted as gospel truth. Any that doesn't support the conspiracy becomes part of the conspiracy.

What I would love to know is which news events in the pass decade or so weren't a conspiracy.
There must be some normal tragic events to which people are comparing and allowing them to conclude that something is strange with this one.

shanered

I would ask you to read this on why people may question if major terror incident are false flags or a conspiracy:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/first-question-ask-terror-attack-false-flag.html

Its because of incidents such as listed above where false flahs were used for political motives usually with the aim to convince a nations own population that they need to turn to the state and give greater controls so as to stop it happening again, but most commenly to incite a war of some sort.

shanered

shanered wrote: »

I would ask you to read this on why people may question if major terror incident are false flags or a conspiracy:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/first-question-ask-terror-attack-false-flag.html

Its because of incidents such as listed above where false flahs were used for political motives usually with the aim to convince a nations own population that they need to turn to the state and give greater controls so as to stop it happening again, but most commenly to incite a war of some sort.

Could you point to one incident in the last few years that wasn't a false flag?

shanered

King Mob wrote: »

Could you point to one incident in the last few years that wasn't a false flag?

The Norway massace is the first one that springs to my mind as not a flase flag.

shanered

shanered wrote: »

The Norway massace is the first one that springs to my mind as not a flase flag.

How do you know that it wasn't?

Why do some conspiracy theorists claim it was?

What's the difference between their suspicions and your ones about this attack?

shanered

I agree with your questioning of whether or not it was a false flag, any large scale attack should be questioned, of course as stated before this thread is about conjecture.
Suppose my line of thinking that the promotion that turning the public at large against Islam and inciting Islamiphobia and part of the "war on terror" would serve governments in such that they can use this war on terror to erode privacy and heighten and beef up security and military forces such as we have seen in the USA since the 9/11 attacks. 9/11 was used as a platform for two wars, Iraq funnily enough wasn't even involved but still was thrown in for good measure.

Long story short, i believe the attack in Paris could possibly fit an wider agenda at play to the East of Europe.
We as Europeans in my view are being conditioned to become more Xenophobic towards the East as we see major shifts in forgein policy towards Russia and a large part the Middle East being in turmoil to say the least, and needing the continued support of European nations to continue the sharade wars in that region.
The attacks in Paris may serve such an agenda, or several agendas for that matter and would be quite seperate from the Norweigian incident.

Results from the attack may include intervention in the middle east from european nations, tightening of immigration laws, loss of privacy which i believe will mostly be internet surveillance.

We must think about why such public opinion may be sought and by whom, Israel my benifit from the anger against such terror acts if European nations start to take up military positions in the middle east, such as the position that the Irish troops are holding in the Golan Heights. Any increase of support in the region would be welcomed Im sure by Israel.
I can only speculate what if any reactions may be made by the french government pr the EU as a whole but they woild fit a wider a agenda of some sort imo.

This is all opinion and conjecture, but I must ask do you follow my line of thought?
Can you see any plausibility in what I saod above?

shanered

shanered wrote: »

This is all opinion and conjecture, but I must ask do you follow my line of thought?
Can you see any plausibility in what I saod above?

No I don't because the exact same thing is claimed about every single event, including the attacks in Norway and not a single time has it ever shown to be accurate.

Every attack is the one that would result in a new war or martial law or us all being sent to the camps. But it never happens, the conspiracy is never revealed and it's forgotten as soon as it leaves the regular headlines.

This attack is no different. It has the same "evidence" to show it's a false flag.

If it's just speculation with no baring on reality, then it's kind of just creative writing in poor taste.

Meanwhile, the agendas of conspiracy outlets and personalities who might have an interest in pouncing on the event and dreaming up conspiracies is completely ignored.
Is this not a possibility?

Torakx

Stingerbar wrote: »

This is the definition of any conspiracy site I've ever come across

That's a great point!
Conspiracy theory sites are supposedly foccused on unearthing clues and evidence of various kinds to uncover conspiracies.
But many of them exaggerate and use fear based programming to influence people.
The same type of programming used by the mainstream media.
I have suspicions that this is supported by people in power. And the rest could well be copy cat sights and CTer's jumping on the train. You only need to get a movement started to create the right chaos.It will carry on then organicly based on it's foundations, IMO.

endacl

Torakx wrote: »

That's a great point!
Conspiracy theory sites are supposedly foccused on unearthing clues and evidence of various kinds to uncover conspiracies.
But many of them exaggerate and use fear based programming to influence people.
The same type of programming used by the mainstream media.
I have suspicions that this is supported by people in power. And the rest could well be copy cat sights and CTer's jumping on the train. You only need to get a movement started to create the right chaos.It will carry on then organicly based on it's foundations, IMO.

What's the difference then? Reads like you don't trust mainstream media. And you don't trust CT sites for the same reasons.

Who do you trust, and why. What does it take?

enno99

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsnUU2t51jE

Martin Boudot filmed the scene from the roof

@ about 3.15 this guy has a take on the roof video

Martin Boudot
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6527559/


one of his films

The Yes Men Are Revolting

Comedy troupe The Yes Men stage phony events and press releases in an effort to bring attention to environmental dangers and corporate greed