Greedy petrol stations ripping people off.

Jimmy Garlic

With the massive drop in global oil prices I have noticed how painfully slow an awful lot of petrol stations have been to drop their prices. There are a few around my area that are 15-20c dearer than the local applegreen (not that I would go to applegreen, I wouldn't burn bushes with their stuff).

Has anyone else noticed the trend?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Yep. It's called the rocket feather effect. When the price of oil goes up, petrol/diesel shoot up immediately. However once it drops, the petrol & diesel are slow to drop too, ie they drift down lazily like a feather.

kirving

How much of an MPG deficit do you see with Applegreen?

pa990

Just pay the 15 to 20cent premium for the superior petrol.

Jimmy Garlic

Kevin Irving wrote: »

How much of an MPG deficit do you see with Applegreen?

If I fill up at Texaco I get around 600 to the full tank. When I filled up at applegreen and got about 530. A considerable difference.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Have you just arrived in Ireland?

In general the Irish are exceptionally greedy. They are also exceptionally generous at times. Perhaps in keeping with the 'land of contradictions' sh1te peddled to tourists.

I'm tired.

berger89

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

With the massive drop in global oil prices I have noticed how painfully slow an awful lot of petrol stations have been to drop their prices. There are a few around my area that are 15-20c dearer than the local applegreen (not that I would go to applegreen, I wouldn't burn bushes with their stuff).

Has anyone else noticed the trend?

Have to disagree with you, but just coz I work in a petrol station (Topaz)!!
I work in one in the South East. Since the prices have started dropping in America, we have been lowering our prices..sometimes every day. At the mo, its 125.9c petrol, 119.9 diesel (and expected to drop further)

There are some stations who are still at about 134.9 petrol, 125.9 diesel.

But don't paint all stations with the same brush!!

And keep in mind, the govt. takes up to 70%!

corsav6

Prices went up again in Castlebar, was 1.25 for diesel a few days ago, now 1.27. Topaz in Ballina was 1.21, not sure if they changed.
I see a lot of complaints about applegreen, how can they be that bad?

darragh o meara

corsav6 wrote: »

I see a lot of complaints about applegreen, how can they be that bad?

I've been using apple green diesel for years and never had a problem, or noticed a difference any time I filled up elsewhere. I think a lot of it is down to people perception of " it must be a lower grade because its cheaper " I've done a lot research into diesel as part of my engineering degree and found that most diesel is pretty much the same with some of the bigger companies ie. Topaz who add an extra additive to it to make it a bit cleaner, water content did vary a bit between some garages but this was mainly down to older storage tanks etc and not the supplied fuel. It must be pointed out, that diesel and petrol generally all arrive in the country in the same boat and all the suppliers draw from that..

Price coming down is a good and welcome sign, heating oil is also down at a time when people rely on it most... I know a petrol station owner and he's good me a few times, that they buy at x price and if the price drops before his next supply, he has to wait until his current stock is fine before lowering the price. With low margins on petrol and diesel its no wonder really, the only people making money from fuel sales is the Arabs and the government..

darragh o meara

darragh o meara wrote: »

they buy at x price and if the price drops before his next supply, he has to wait until his current stock is fine before lowering the price.

That's what I always assumed it was.

berger89

darragh o meara wrote: »

. I know a petrol station owner and he's good me a few times, that they buy at x price and if the price drops before his next supply, he has to wait until his current stock is fine before lowering the price. With low margins on petrol and diesel its no wonder really, the only people making money from fuel sales is the Arabs and the government..

you're spot on.

CrowdedHouse

The euro is going south against the dollar now too which isn't helping.

micks_address

hmm i always by applegreen as its local to me and the cheapest.. anyone else think their diesel is bad? i havent had any problems and being buying for couple of years now..

corsav6

CrowdedHouse wrote: »

The euro is going south against the dollar now too which isn't helping.

That's one factor a lot of people, including myself, forget to consider.

boardsuser1

Was just looking around at the average price of petrol, when you consider how much it has come down now also imagine how cheap it would be only for the budget increases in recent years, approximately €0.40 added on by the government.sickening!!!

Zubeneschamali

micks_address wrote: »

hmm i always by applegreen as its local to me and the cheapest.. anyone else think their diesel is bad?

I use a tank a week - there's nothing wrong with it.

pa990

KC161 wrote: »

Was just looking around at the average price of petrol, when you consider how much it has come down now also imagine how cheap it would be only for the budget increases in recent years, approximately €0.40 added on by the government.sickening!!!

can you tell me when this 40c was added on

this link
http://www.theaa.ie/AA/Motoring-advice/~/media/Files/AA%20Ireland/Reports/Fuelprices%20history.ashx

seems to say that 12c tax has been added in the past 10 years


where did the other 28c come from???

flutered

Kevin Irving wrote: »

How much of an MPG deficit do you see with Applegreen?

its ownership some people do not see eye to eye with, so they try to disrupt their cash flow, i am no suggesting that this is the op's reason for not using them

pa990

flutered wrote: »

its ownership some people do not see eye to eye with, so they try to disrupt their cash flow, i am no suggesting that this is the op's reason for not using them

You'll have to explain the ownership thing

I know people have an issue with topaz and brian cowan , denis obrien.

But whats the issue with applegreen?
Is it a hatred of the man in a mansion on the hill.

boardsuser1

pa990 wrote: »

can you tell me when this 40c was added on

this link
http://www.theaa.ie/AA/Motoring-advice/~/media/Files/AA%20Ireland/Reports/Fuelprices%20history.ashx

seems to say that 12c tax has been added in the past 10 years


where did the other 28c come from???

Carbon taxes, general increases by the government all that,any other lectures your majesty???

the_syco

darragh o meara wrote: »

I've been using apple green diesel for years and never had a problem, or noticed a difference any time I filled up elsewhere. I think a lot of it is down to people perception of " it must be a lower grade because its cheaper " I've done a lot research into diesel as part of my engineering degree and found that most diesel is pretty much the same with some of the bigger companies ie. Topaz who add an extra additive to it to make it a bit cleaner, water content did vary a bit between some garages but this was mainly down to older storage tanks etc and not the supplied fuel. It must be pointed out, that diesel and petrol generally all arrive in the country in the same boat and all the suppliers draw from that..

I think the only difference is between cars and motorbikes for petrol. Cars drink anything, but my friend used to find the local Maxol station would get him a better reaction / MPG than the local Applegreen for his motorbike, as Applegreen's additive didn't work as well with motorbikes. Perhaps some car engines are the same?

mayota

corsav6 wrote: »

Prices went up again in Castlebar, was 1.25 for diesel a few days ago, now 1.27. Topaz in Ballina was 1.21, not sure if they changed.
I see a lot of complaints about applegreen, how can they be that bad?

Castlebar always 7 or 8 cents dearer than ballina. Topaz 119.9, place on Killala rd (esso I think) 118.9.

pa990

KC161 wrote: »

Carbon taxes, general increases by the government all that,any other lectures your majesty???

Well my dear serf, that list details the total of 12c of tax increases on petrol in each budget.

There was not 40c of tax increases.

The_Pretender

pa990 wrote: »

Well my dear serf, that list details the total of 12c of tax increases on petrol in each budget.

There was not 40c of tax increases.

According to the AA there has been 23c per litre of fuel extra in tax added on since 2008.

pa990

The_Pretender wrote: »

According to the AA there has been 23c per litre of fuel extra in tax added on since 2008.

That pdf isnt displaying correctly on my phone, so I might have missed some of the tax hikes.

But it still doesn't add up to 40c of tax increases for petrol

corsav6

mayota wrote: »

Castlebar always 7 or 8 cents dearer than ballina. Topaz 119.9, place on Killala rd (esso I think) 118.9.

I'm in Foxford regularly so its probably worth the trip down the road to fill up.
I always knew Ballina was a couple of cent cheaper, but 7 to 8 cent is a fair bit.

Geuze

One station in Sligo is now 117.9 / 127.9

The Ging and I

Filled diesel for 1.05 in France yesterday and here you do not pay road tax.

boardsuser1

The_Pretender wrote: »

According to the AA there has been 23c per litre of fuel extra in tax added on since 2008.

That's more than what yer man is saying anyway, maybe i shouldn't listen to conor faughnan anymore then

pa990

KC161 wrote: »

That's more than what yer man is saying anyway, maybe i shouldn't listen to conor faughnan anymore then

maybe conor faughnan is combining petrol and diesel increases.

boardsuser1

pa990 wrote: »

maybe conor faughnan is combining petrol and diesel increases.

I'll give him an oul tweet

Fred Swanson

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turbocab

berger89 wrote: »

you're spot on.

not quite the government is taking the biggest slice by a long shot over 60% of the price is government taxes and that aint gonna change

boardsuser1

turbocab wrote: »

not quite the government is taking the biggest slice by a long shot over 60% of the price is government taxes and that aint gonna change

They won't be happy until they can get that percentage as high as possible, all to fund the gravy train lifestyle

kc66

There's a Texaco near me charging 149.9 / 144.9. I still see some fools filling up in it.

boardsuser1

kc66 wrote: »

There's a Texaco near me charging 149.9 / 144.9. I still see some fools filling up in it.

More money than sense probably

bladespin

Same, one local (Kells road Meath) was still looking for 1.44/l Diesel at the weekend, most the others are around 1.289 which is still ripping compared to most others.

pa990

If prices stay as low as they are, or fall even lower, come budget time, we can be guaranteed a few extra cents of duty/carbon tax..

Someone has to think of the polar bears

boardsuser1

polar bears[/quote]

I never laughed so much on seeing that,just don't tell john Gormley

joujoujou

Geuze wrote: »

One station in Sligo is now 117.9 / 127.9

:eek:

Which one?

Cheapest petrol I found yesterday in Sligo was 132.9 :mad:

The Ging and I

The Ging and I wrote: »

Filled diesel for 1.05 in France yesterday and here you do not pay road tax.

My van doesn't like the supermarket diesel. Exhaust looks blue and smelly on it on cold starts. Also, the ferry to France is around extra €500 so each tank ends up costing almost €600 so not a solution for Irish high prices I'm afraid.

Del2005

samih wrote: »

My van doesn't like the supermarket diesel. Exhaust looks blue and smelly on it on cold starts. Also, the ferry to France is around extra €500 so each tank ends up costing almost €600 so not a solution for Irish high prices I'm afraid.

Fill the back of the van with wine to cover the costs 😉

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

Fill the back of the van with wine to cover the costs 😉

Last time I tried I got caught by closed Supermarkets on Sunday (apart from filling station part that dispensed that low quality diesel).

nice_guy80

Diesel is 118.9 in Roscommon

efb

I take it the collapse of the euro has already been explained

efb

119.8 126.8 in Applegreen Tullamore

boardsuser1

efb wrote: »

I take it the collapse of the euro has already been explained

This country should never have adopted it

Jimmy Garlic

KC161 wrote: »

This country should never have adopted it

Slightly off topic but Iceland is withdrawing their application to join the EU. They know a sinking ship when they see one.

boardsuser1

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Slightly off topic but Iceland is withdrawing their application to join the EU. They know a sinking ship when they see one.

Look how they dealt with the bankers/banks and it worked

Zubeneschamali

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Slightly off topic but Iceland is withdrawing their application to join the EU. They know a sinking ship when they see one.

They are planning to debate a motion to withdraw, which is a bit different.

They only applied to join after the crash showed how vulnerable they were on their own. The last attempt by their Government to withdraw the application was itself dropped after public protests.

newport2

darragh o meara wrote: »

I know a petrol station owner and he's good me a few times, that they buy at x price and if the price drops before his next supply, he has to wait until his current stock is fine before lowering the price.

Ask him if he buys at x price and then the price goes up, does he have to wait until his current stock is gone before raising the price. I suspect there's no delay then.