Creighton to reveal plans for new party on Friday

Kermit.de.frog

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/lucinda-creighton-to-reveal-plans-for-new-political-party-on-friday-30876754.html

Which TD's do you reckon will go for this? I wonder if there are any in FG that might be tempted as well.

McConnellDaniel ‏@McConnellDaniel 23m23 minutes ago
Breaking: Lucinda Creighton will host press event at Marker Hotel tomorrow at 11am to announce her intentions re new political party

NormalBob Ubiquitypants

Honetly I don't think many will go for this. It would simply allow her and the rest of the reform alliance back into the FG fold.

the dark phantom

God help us all, Especially the Liberal ones..It'll be the same old politics wrapped in a new coat..

Annasopra

If its just the reform alliance tds then its just going to be dragged down by its abortion stance. If others join it gets interesting.

expectationlost

Register of Political parties not updated since 16 September 2014 http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/about/publications/registerofpoliticalparties/ when it is we may have a new political party otherwise we don't

Manach

Should prove interesting and perhaps provide a credible alternative to the multitude of left-wing parties scrambling to oppose the current government via a plethora of slogans.

hmmm

If this is the case it is dead in the water I think because of the moral/religious views - a constituency that is in decline. It's not going to get the urban middle class vote which is there for the taking should a PD-like party which is conservative economic and liberal social emerge.

jank

I think Creigthon is wise enough to recognise that the social conservative nature of the electorate is declining. If this is the case then she may focus more on the fiscal conservative policy in recognition for the hard pressed taxpayer and leave the social policy for things like abortion up to a free/conscious vote. If so this could lead to something. If not, well it would be a dissapointment.

retroactive

"Rise of the Nutters" showing at the Marker Hotel at 11.00 a.m

It'll be interesting to see if this gains traction or ends the way it is now - as would be the status quo for Irish politics.

I agree with 'hmmm' though - we're crying out for a PD-like party to emerge.

BoJack Horseman

retroactive wrote: »

we're crying out for a PD-like party to emerge.

If that was true, the PDs would still exist

KevIRL

Eddie Hobbs involved

TheDoc

While I welcome a new party, my immediate reaction is it not for me, and any hope I had that a new party might emerge to invigorate people my age into political thinking, this isn't it.

I guess a lot will depend on who will be involved and the parties policies and drivers, but I'd seriously struggle to support someone who fashions a lot of political decisions and debate, based of religious faith.

listermint

jank wrote: »

I think Creigthon is wise enough to recognise that the social conservative nature of the electorate is declining. If this is the case then she may focus more on the fiscal conservative policy in recognition for the hard pressed taxpayer and leave the social policy for things like abortion up to a free/conscious vote. If so this could lead to something. If not, well it would be a dissapointment.

I think you are giving too much credence to her 'wiseness'

Which i do not believe is prevalent

Kermit.de.frog

Seems like a party that could attract a decent vote. Maybe socially conservative, definitely economically liberal.

Loafing Oaf

jank wrote: »

I think Creigthon is wise enough to recognise that the social conservative nature of the electorate is declining.

I'm pretty sure the 'social conservatism' of this new party will be overwhelmingly a matter of posturing and rhetoric, as indeed it was with Lucinda's 'icon' Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher in power did little or nothing to reverse the social reforms of the 1960s and the same will undoubtedly be true of 'reboot Ireland'. If any of you secular types think Lucinda is on the right lines in terms of economic policy, I wouldn't be too worried about any noises she's making about 'traditional Catholic values'.

efb

#RebootIreland Have you tried turning the Foetus off and on again?

A party for the '20's - the 1920's

Phoebas

The 'party' website is here:
http://rebootireland.com/

They're asking us to 'get involved', but how can anyone get involved in a landing page?

listermint

Phoebas wrote: »

The 'party' website is here:
http://rebootireland.com/

They're asking us to 'get involved', but how can anyone get involved in a landing page?

Bring her in for touchdown ?

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the 'social conservatism' of this new party will be overwhelmingly a matter of posturing and rhetoric, as indeed it was with Lucinda's 'icon' Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher in power did little or nothing to reverse the social reforms of the 1960s and the same will undoubtedly be true of 'reboot Ireland'. If any of you secular types think Lucinda is on the right lines in terms of economic policy, I wouldn't be too worried about any noises she's making about 'traditional Catholic values'.

Apparently she said they won't be taking a position on the SSM Referendum.
QED.

TheDoc

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Apparently she said they won't be taking a position on the SSM Referendum.
QED.

I'd imagine they would need to push fiscal policy hard, to simply avoid being dragged into "moral" issues, to which there is already a public perception of stance.

I am a man, but I have some strong feelings on how this country treats woman. This was only heightened last year with the stories that emerged and the hot topics, coupled with my girlfriend expecting our first child. And it brought those issues much more to the forefront then I otherwise would have thought.

My take the last year is that if half the outrage met by water charges was put into the real core issues in this country, we'd live in a much better place. Things lie the 8th amendment, womans rights and all that comes with it, is probably going to be a seriously big topic, for me anyway, in the coming year.

With all thats gone on in the economy and things, looking at it, I've got through it relatively ok, and if anything improved my way of life when in reality it was nearly impossible to do so. While fiscal will be a big enough part of my thought process when it comes to the election, how candidates and parties are treating issues like womans rights, abortion etc. that will be just a big a part.

My immediate reaction to this party setup is that it's going to be a party that won't be forward thinking and won't in anyway want to initiate dramatic social change. Obviously it all remains to be seen, but cant help feel a party with Creighton at the forefront, is going to turn off a lot of the electorate my age. (and I make that sweeping statements just based of friends and general chit chat with people my age, mid 20's)

REBOOT Ireland, with a picture of Dublin. Name and photo don't grab my attention. I'll watch and wait.

BoJack Horseman

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

definitely economically liberal.

Not according to Lucinda.

She just said herself on the radio, that the politics of the free market has failed.

(Which is odd as the free market is rare in Ireland).

I'm unsure she knows what she is or wants.
That or she is lying, straight out the door.

Connemara Farmer

Who is actually involved so far, besides Lucinda, I see a picture of Fidelma Healey Eames on the indo site. Not much to go on their own site.

nice_guy80

At least she is prepared to do something new

I won't be voting for someone like her though

RobertKK

I'd vote for for her party.

A whip system only for monetary and motions of confidence, a free vote for members who might support more liberal or conservative social ideals.

More names to be revealed over the coming weeks with an open invitation for anyone to get involved once they support the core values as stated at the media event.

I believe in a freedom of conscience on social issues, I don't believe if I was to lead a political party that I have the right to impose my issues of conscience whether liberal or conservative on someone who feels different.
Other countries allow free votes on these matters, only FF allowed a free vote on the abortion bill because Micheal Martin couldn't get his party members to be sheep to vote how he wanted.
We need people who are stand up for what they believe, at least Lucinda was prepared to lose a good job so she could act in a manner that gave her a clear conscience and the same to other party members who did the same.

This new party has a lot of potential.

enricoh

there has to be room for a taxpayers party in this country, many 30-40 year olds i know have given up on all the parties out there n question
theres heaps of socialist, tax the rich n increase spending parties there n i reckon plenty who see that the figures dont add up.
hope they dont get bogged down in church etc crap

kenco

Oh dear.....all credibility blown by sitting there with the likes of Hobbs (all due respect). No heavy hitters no other big players just Lucinda and a few ideas....underwelming and definitely not the answer to the current poliitcal crisis. Looks like the credible Independents are keeping their powder dry.

FF and FG barely bothered....

sid waddell

A "party" with no members, no policies, no vision, no point and no future.

For Reals

Manach wrote: »

Should prove interesting and perhaps provide a credible alternative to the multitude of left-wing parties scrambling to oppose the current government via a plethora of slogans.

The Tea Party weren't left wing last time I checked.

Loving the fresh positive open minded start to 2015, anyone considered left wing should be dismissed, nice. Happy New Year.

For Reals

Deleted User wrote: »

REBOOT Ireland, with a picture of Dublin. Name and photo don't grab my attention. I'll watch and wait.

It might be the capital and the seat of government, but surely the Esso station in Borris In Ossory would have been a more democratic choice.......

hmmm

"The party will champion human inventiveness" apparently. Who came up with this bull?

They'll still get my vote as they are at least on the side of taxpayers, unlike everyone else who is falling over themselves to give out handouts. But I'm still desperate for an alternative.

Andy-Pandy

Although I disagree with her on her stance on abortion I respect her for holding on to her beliefs and her willingness to stick by them. If her party didn't use the whip on issues of personal beliefs I could see it doing well. If she forces the whip on these issues she is doomed. Good luck to her and I hope it's a party i could vote for.

Palmach

hmmm wrote: »

"The party will champion human inventiveness" apparently. Who came up with this bull?

They'll still get my vote as they are at least on the side of taxpayers, unlike everyone else who is falling over themselves to give out handouts. But I'm still desperate for an alternative.

I feel the same way. I feel like throwing up when politician says we need to tax people to achieve the public services we want. It's not what we want it is what we can afford.

Baggy Trousers

At the very least this new party will stop all the moaning defeatists who plan to continue voting for the same-ole FG, Labour and FF because "there are no alternatives" and they are scared of SF.

The one thing that stood out for me when listening to Creighton earlier was that the new party will only use the whip system for financial bills and confidence motions i.e. the TDs will make their own minds up on social issues.

I just hope for all our sakes that Healy Eames is not a member of the new party.

Paulzx

Well at least Eddie Hobbs has found another bandwagon to jump on and get his name in lights again.



Is it just me or is the "four founding principles" just the same inane, bland political speil that we hear all the time anyway?

Building an economy for entrepreneurs across the social, private and public sectors

* Make the public sector public

* Giving politics back to the people

* Measuring Government with a clear social target

Basically this means nothing to me as it's the same stuff we hear before every election from every party. Generalisations that have no substance and no real meaning.


To be honest the Eddie Hobbs connection is enough for me to stay well away

Baggy Trousers

I have just been reading other forums - is it true Creighton is religious conservative and that the new party might be the same?

Baggy Trousers

Paulzx wrote: »

Is it just me or is the "four founding principles" just the same inane, bland political speil that we hear all the time anyway?

It reeks of Enda's "New Politics" which was totally and utterly disgarded when they came to power. The setup of the water quango was testament to that.

Palmach

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

I have just been reading other forums - is it true Creighton is religious conservative and that the new party might be the same?

No it is rubbish. There are some people who think anyone who is not pro-abortion is a raging bible basher. She has made it clear the whip will not be used for issues of consciousness. That is as it should be.

Baggy Trousers

Palmach wrote: »

No it is rubbish. There are some people who think anyone who is not pro-abortion is a raging bible basher. She has made it clear the whip will not be used for issues of consciousness. That is as it should be.

ok thanks. Agree with bit in bold. Last thing we need is more religion in Irish politics.

hmmm

Have they said anything about the political appointment system?

I'm very disappointed with the 4 headline bullet points, they're awfully written. "Making public services public" is not a slogan people are going to rally around.

Instead, I'd have preferred them to be written something like this:
"Build a country that values work and contributions to society."
"Ensure that taxpayers money is spent efficiently, and delivers value for money."
"Break free of the 19th century whip system and allow party members freedom of conscience."

And I've no idea what a "minimum lifestyle standard" is supposed to mean.

the dark phantom

Deleted User wrote: »

REBOOT Ireland, with a picture of Dublin. Name and photo don't grab my attention. I'll watch and wait.

Dublin would probably be the place to suffer most under a party like Reform, It'll have its core support in rural conservative areas.

First Up

Did anyone ask her where they stand on water charges?

Brian Shanahan

Manach wrote: »

Should prove interesting and perhaps provide a credible alternative to the multitude of left-wing parties scrambling to oppose the current government via a plethora of slogans.

Or in other words

Kang (or was it Kodos) wrote:

"the politics of failure have failed, we must make them work again!"

Yeah I don't think the country needs another right wing party with the same ideas which bought us both the financial crash of 2008 and the severe depression which is continuing to this day, and which follow exactly in the same footsteps of the geniuses which brought the Asian Crisis, the Russian Crisis (of 1993), the EMF crisis (Black Monday), the Great Depression, the Mittel-Europ depression (mid '20's), the Long Depression (1871-1896) and many more financial and economic crises all the way back to the South Sea bubble (all of which were characterised by a lack of regulation and an unwillingness to more equally distribute both wealth and income) now does it? Because from Loose Lips' own words that is exactly what it's going to be (with the added Irish flavour of bowing to the wishes of John Charles McQuaid).

mikom

REBOOT Ireland................... more like jackboot Ireland.

chrysagon

The same kind of politicians............just rebranded!

Brian Shanahan

enricoh wrote: »

there has to be room for a taxpayers party in this country, many 30-40 year olds i know have given up on all the parties out there n question
theres heaps of socialist, tax the rich n increase spending parties there n i reckon plenty who see that the figures dont add up.
hope they dont get bogged down in church etc crap

What you want, and what the country doesn't need is another party of the style which got us into the mess in the first place.

What gets me about the stupidity of some people who love giving out about "tax and spend" is that they think that some day they too will be rich. They won't because rich people don't want more people up beside them, and supporting parties which will never touch the rich is just simply further enforcing their poverty. It is amazing that there are still a large number of people everywhere who are willing to be so stupid as to kill their own futures and vote for parties who won't follow their best interests (e.g. poor Americans voting Republican, poor Irish voting FF, FG, current Labour or PDs, poor UK subjects voting Tory and so on).

Brian Shanahan

Paulzx wrote: »

Is it just me or is the "four founding principles" just the same inane, bland political speil that we hear all the time anyway?

I think they stole them off the crypto-fascists at DDI. Shows you how far right this new party will be.

Oh and the "no whip", that'll be gone inside two weeks if the party ever gets off the ground, either that or the party will implode the first time it gets to vote in the Dáil.

chrysagon

Either way, theres going to be quite amount of horse manure coming from these party members, who no doubt will promise the moon and stars, and then renege first chance they get.

Highflyer13

This party is not new enough. Too many old faces. We are crying out for a new party and this is what we get. Unfortunately they might still earn my vote given the options out there at the moment.

Del.Monte

KevIRL wrote: »

Eddie Hobbs involved

While I favour the idea of a new party - Eddie Hobbs - the man who hitches his horse to whatever the latest bandwagon is. As for Creighton herself..and another man being talked of - Michael 'last sting of a dying wasp' McDowell - no thanks!

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/icrime/mcdowell-admits-gangland-last-sting-claim-wrong-19214.html

nuac

I heard report that Eddie Hobbs is joining so that he can encourage the new party to attract "people like him"

Talk about a party being torpedoed at launch!