Cutting Edge - The Club - 1994 Documentary

ryaner777

I watched this on netflix last night. I've been looking for a youtube link but it doesn't seem to be up there.

It focuses on a club in the uk from the mens and womens side of things.

There is serious old school sexism from some of the chaps and some great footage of the heated AGM.

Just wondering if anyone seen it and if you know of any clubs that still operate like that ?

Telecaster58

I remember watching that. It was hilarious. Full of old buffers who, when quizzed about women and golf, responded with "ladies should be at home cooking the breakfast"

ryaner777

Telecaster58 wrote: »

I remember watching that. It was hilarious. Full of old buffers who, when quizzed about women and golf, responded with "ladies should be at home cooking the breakfast"

Exactly

To quote one of the men

" I've no idea how a woman can make a 9am tee time. Surely they are too busy getting breakfast ready for their husband and then cleaning up after breakfast "

aster99

I've seen it, daft to think it wasn't even that many years ago!

sydneybound

Must try and watch this.

I'm a member of an ok club in the UK. Real old school type of place with many stuck up members. Golf over here is really different to back home.

Noticed this sign on the noticeboard the other day. Best still a playing partner in his late 40s was told by another player who walked across a fairway to tell him he can't play with his polo shirt not tucked in.

slave1

sydneybound wrote: »

Must try and watch this.

I'm a member of an ok club in the UK. Real old school type of place with many stuck up members. Golf over here is really different to back home.

Noticed this sign on the noticeboard the other day. Best still a playing partner in his late 40s was told by another player who walked across a fairway to tell him he can't play with his polo shirt not tucked in.

...and they wonder why golf is in decline...

GreeBo

slave1 wrote: »

...and they wonder why golf is in decline...

Is it in decline in that club though?

Different strokes for different strokes, not everyone wants to play golf with lads in their SHARP United Jersey.

I dunno how you compare skill, I reckon driving the ball on average over 350 yards is pretty skillful, Im certain Hogan or any other golfer you can name would have taken that skill, given the chance.

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

Is it in decline in that club though?

Different strokes for different strokes, not everyone wants to play golf with lads in their SHARP United Jersey.

I dunno how you compare skill, I reckon driving the ball on average over 350 yards is pretty skillful, Im certain Hogan or any other golfer you can name would have taken that skill, given the chance.

I think we can safely presume Hogan would have been a long hitter in the modern game.

SHARP hasn't been on a Man Utd shirt for many years now, you're showing your age.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

I think we can safely presume Hogan would have been a long hitter in the modern game

I wouldn't be so sure.

cairny wrote: »

SHARP hasn't been on a Man Utd shirt for many years now, you're showing your age.

Erm, that was kinda the point chief!
woosh!

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure.


Erm, that was kinda the point chief!
woosh!

The skobes where the brand new gear not old stuff....that was my point...whoosh yourself.

Re Hogan....don't be daft.

Boskowski

Call me old school but I think some sort of dress code should be maintained. It's bad enough sometimes with dress code still in place. I'd imagine with dress codes lifted some guys would play in their pyjamas. Tucked into their socks. With a footie Jersey on top.
I don't want to see that.

GreeBo

Boskowski wrote: »

Call me old school but I think some sort of dress code should be maintained. It's bad enough sometimes with dress code still in place. I'd imagine with dress codes lifted some guys would play in their pyjamas. Tucked into their socks. With a footie Jersey on top.
I don't want to see that.

Its not like it's expensive to get a polo and trousers these days.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

The skobes where the brand new gear not old stuff....that was my point...whoosh yourself.

Re Hogan....don't be daft.

Sure you did...Sure, hence you mentioned showing my age...:rolleyes:

Explain why Hogan would automatically be hitting the ball Rory distances?

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

Sure you did...Sure, hence you mentioned showing my age...:rolleyes:

Explain why Hogan would automatically be hitting the ball Rory distances?

Ha, I had actually typed something stronger but moderated it to the age dig, I won't make that mistake again.

Re Hogan this probably isn't the thread for that debate, not sure why you brought it up here in the first place "chief". Start a thread if you like and I throw in my tuppence.

slave1

Boskowski wrote: »

Call me old school but I think some sort of dress code should be maintained. It's bad enough sometimes with dress code still in place. I'd imagine with dress codes lifted some guys would play in their pyjamas. Tucked into their socks. With a footie Jersey on top.
I don't want to see that.

I agree with you, the comment I replied to earlier was on not having a 'legit' polo shirt tucked in and a member crossing a fairway to the player in question to tuck it in, now that's madness and a prime example of the reputation of golf a few years back.
Have a look at Lowry's website and you see him up and down Ireland earlier this year or last year with his mates and golfing in tee shirt and hoodie! Release the hounds!!!

Boskowski

I think Shane Lowry comes across as a cool guy, probably my favourite Irish golfer.

The tucked in thing is over the top. It is old school stuffiness personified. But for a few exceptions I think golf has eased a lot on these things over the last 10 or 15 years. Which is good. The reasonable middle ground is best as it is for so many things.

Having said that its not too much to ask for people to actually look like they got out of bed. But I wasn't addressing any particular opinion or your post. I simply don't like it when people want to play golf but their attire oozes right form the start that really they're too cool for this game. I think we're all saying the same thing here.

Good luck with their game in 2015 to everyone btw. Yay, the days are getting longer and it looks like we're going to escape all those predicted weather bombs. Teeing off just after lunch for my first comp in two months, I'm itching.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

Ha, I had actually typed something stronger but moderated it to the age dig, I won't make that mistake again.

Re Hogan this probably isn't the thread for that debate, not sure why you brought it up here in the first place "chief". Start a thread if you like and I throw in my tuppence.

Was confusing the old vs present day thread!

sydneybound

Hold on now, no one is saying they should be playing in soccer or GAA shirts, thats just being presumed by our mod.

I'm all for polo shirts and a pair of slacks, never any issue with that. However walking across a fairway to tell a grown man in his late 40's that the back of his Lindeberg polo shirt was slighly hanging out after playing a tricky bunker shot is another matter altogether. I'm sure all will agree.

Also the craic that socks have to be mainly white or long or short, so your not allowed to wear medium sized socks! That type of thing doesn't help golf or its reputation.

cairny

sydneybound wrote: »

Hold on now, no one is saying they should be playing in soccer or GAA shirts, thats just being presumed by our mod.

I'm all for polo shirts and a pair of slacks, never any issue with that. However walking across a fairway to tell a grown man in his late 40's that the back of his Lindeberg polo shirt was slighly hanging out after playing a tricky bunker shot is another matter altogether. I'm sure all will agree.

Also the craic that socks have to be mainly white or long or short, so your not allowed to wear medium sized socks! That type of thing does help golf or its reputation.

But isn't that part of the great fabric and all that. You join a club where you feel comfortable and sneer at the neighbouring stuffy one....and they sneer at you for your shabbiness...and you both take great pleasure when you inflict an inter club defeat etc etc.

Boskowski

I'm a member of a club that is allegedly a bit stuffy and cliquish. We have a dress code which is primarily aimed at youngsters.
But in reality Ive never seen the stuffiness and the cliquishness, they're all normal enough and quite alright really. The youngsters are all really decent. If anything some of the older guys in their winter mucker looks are worse than the most laid back dressed junior.
The dress code is there to set a line in the sand. Its not being enforced to the letter of the law, its just there so that people wouldn't take the p1ss altogether.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote:

thats just being presumed by our mod.

Is that really necessary or helpful?

sydneybound

GreeBo wrote: »

not everyone wants to play golf with lads in their SHARP United Jersey.

No worries I understand your point however you were the one who first spoke about football jerseys, see above post.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote: »

you were the one who first spoke about football jerseys, see above post.

Indeed I was, because I have seen what people will turn up to play in.

sydneybound

GreeBo wrote: »

Indeed I was, because I have seen what people will turn up to play in.

I don't think that would always be the case.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote: »

I don't think that would always be the case.

It doesn't need to "always" be the case to be an unwanted issue that's easily handled with a simple and easy to follow rule.

dan_ep82

Wasn't there a post on here last year where a committee member told another member in Ireland to tuck his shirt in?

I can understand the feeling of it if the person was wearing a shirt 2 sizes too big for him and it was at the back of his knees but I still wouldn't call him on it.

Its those types of signs, stories that someone outside the game will be put off by and the type golf is ridiculed for.

I think a dress code is needed in the same way every sport has one but as times are wont to do, they change and so does the fashion. I'm not saying trousers and shirts need to go but a relaxation of the rules would be welcome while not going overboard and dropping all etiquette

The fashion used to be long colourful socks over trousers, now nearly all clubs ban pulling socks over trousers in the etiquette section of most club sites.

Tracksuit bottoms are not allowed, unless they have the FJ symbol or Gortex on them somewhere. Can't understand why a pair of plain black tracksuit bottoms can't be considered good etiquette. Obviously not the ones with buttons all the way up the side but windproof bottoms (at least more so than normal trousers) are an advantage and inconspicuous no?

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Wasn't there a post on here last year where a committee member told another member in Ireland to tuck his shirt in?

I can understand the feeling of it if the person was wearing a shirt 2 sizes too big for him and it was at the back of his knees but I still wouldn't call him on it.

Its those types of signs, stories that someone outside the game will be put off by and the type golf is ridiculed for.

I think a dress code is needed in the same way every sport has one but as times are wont to do, they change and so does the fashion. I'm not saying trousers and shirts need to go but a relaxation of the rules would be welcome while not going overboard and dropping all etiquette

The fashion used to be long colourful socks over trousers, now nearly all clubs ban pulling socks over trousers in the etiquette section of most club sites.

Tracksuit bottoms are not allowed, unless they have the FJ symbol or Gortex on them somewhere. Can't understand why a pair of plain black tracksuit bottoms can't be considered good etiquette. Obviously not the ones with buttons all the way up the side but windproof bottoms (at least more so than normal trousers) are an advantage and inconspicuous no?

Sure rules change, but until they do they should be followed, there is room for leeway always but that's amatter of personal choice, hence why rules are required, for everyone's sake.

The kids in my club have club logoed hoodies and tracksuit bottoms. II don't think that's acceptable for grown adults though.

Plus twos and plus fours are specific short trousers with long socks, they are not just pulled up socks over trousers!

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

Sure rules change, but until they do they should be followed, there is room for leeway always but that's amatter of personal choice, hence why rules are required, for everyone's sake.

The kids in my club have club logoed hoodies and tracksuit bottoms. II don't think that's acceptable for grown adults though.

Plus twos and plus fours are specific short trousers with long socks, they are not just pulled up socks over trousers!

Yes, but for rules to change you need to test them , you need people at the edges , you need people to challenge them.

Look at the mobile phone rule - lads in 20s and 30s , have as much as bypassed that rule or ignored it.

I think i've seen a mobile phone used in every course I was in last year, except Portmarnock Old.

Golf clothing has been made casual by the industry and the pros themselves.

Sure the stuff some of the pros wear are embarrising.

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

Sure rules change, but until they do they should be followed, there is room for leeway always but that's amatter of personal choice, hence why rules are required, for everyone's sake.

The kids in my club have club logoed hoodies and tracksuit bottoms. II don't think that's acceptable for grown adults though.

Plus twos and plus fours are specific short trousers with long socks, they are not just pulled up socks over trousers!

I never mentioned rules should not be followed

I said rules could be changed to become more accommodating and in keeping with the times.

When you say logo'd, do you mean they have the Club logo on them?

As for not being acceptable for adults, just curious,why not?
Of course some can look tacky etc, but thats only my personal opinion, I have that opinion of what alot of tour pro's play in

Personally I wouldn't wear a hoodie to play golf simply because 90% of them would hinder play, but I do own and wear them.

Honestly, I don't think at 20yds you'd be able to see the difference between tucked in socks and plus twos and plus fours, but judging by your use of an exclamation mark you disagree.

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

I never mentioned rules should not be followed

I said rules could be changed to become more accommodating and in keeping with the times.

When you say logo'd, do you mean they have the Club logo on them?

As for not being acceptable for adults, just curious,why not?
Of course some can look tacky etc, but thats only my personal opinion, I have that opinion of what alot of tour pro's play in

Personally I wouldn't wear a hoodie to play golf simply because 90% of them would hinder play, but I do own and wear them.

Honestly, I don't think at 20yds you'd be able to see the difference between tucked in socks and plus twos and plus fours, but judging by your use of an exclamation mark you disagree.

I didn't specifically say you did, but you seem to have an issue with others upholding the rules.

They should change when the majority of them want to change, not just when a minority challenges them by flouting them.

Yeah, the pro shop had arand of kids gear.

They are not suitable for adults, the rules are relaxed for kids because it can be off putting for some kids, should are expected to understand.

I own them and wear them too and tracksuits, I also own Speedos, but since they aren't appropriate for golf idon't wear them when playing.

slave1

No need to bring Speedos into it, there's mental images that are better off being left alone :pac::pac: