Cutting Edge - The Club - 1994 Documentary

ryaner777

I watched this on netflix last night. I've been looking for a youtube link but it doesn't seem to be up there.

It focuses on a club in the uk from the mens and womens side of things.

There is serious old school sexism from some of the chaps and some great footage of the heated AGM.

Just wondering if anyone seen it and if you know of any clubs that still operate like that ?

Telecaster58

I remember watching that. It was hilarious. Full of old buffers who, when quizzed about women and golf, responded with "ladies should be at home cooking the breakfast"

ryaner777

Telecaster58 wrote: »

I remember watching that. It was hilarious. Full of old buffers who, when quizzed about women and golf, responded with "ladies should be at home cooking the breakfast"

Exactly

To quote one of the men

" I've no idea how a woman can make a 9am tee time. Surely they are too busy getting breakfast ready for their husband and then cleaning up after breakfast "

aster99

I've seen it, daft to think it wasn't even that many years ago!

sydneybound

Must try and watch this.

I'm a member of an ok club in the UK. Real old school type of place with many stuck up members. Golf over here is really different to back home.

Noticed this sign on the noticeboard the other day. Best still a playing partner in his late 40s was told by another player who walked across a fairway to tell him he can't play with his polo shirt not tucked in.

slave1

sydneybound wrote: »

Must try and watch this.

I'm a member of an ok club in the UK. Real old school type of place with many stuck up members. Golf over here is really different to back home.

Noticed this sign on the noticeboard the other day. Best still a playing partner in his late 40s was told by another player who walked across a fairway to tell him he can't play with his polo shirt not tucked in.

...and they wonder why golf is in decline...

GreeBo

slave1 wrote: »

...and they wonder why golf is in decline...

Is it in decline in that club though?

Different strokes for different strokes, not everyone wants to play golf with lads in their SHARP United Jersey.

I dunno how you compare skill, I reckon driving the ball on average over 350 yards is pretty skillful, Im certain Hogan or any other golfer you can name would have taken that skill, given the chance.

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

Is it in decline in that club though?

Different strokes for different strokes, not everyone wants to play golf with lads in their SHARP United Jersey.

I dunno how you compare skill, I reckon driving the ball on average over 350 yards is pretty skillful, Im certain Hogan or any other golfer you can name would have taken that skill, given the chance.

I think we can safely presume Hogan would have been a long hitter in the modern game.

SHARP hasn't been on a Man Utd shirt for many years now, you're showing your age.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

I think we can safely presume Hogan would have been a long hitter in the modern game

I wouldn't be so sure.

cairny wrote: »

SHARP hasn't been on a Man Utd shirt for many years now, you're showing your age.

Erm, that was kinda the point chief!
woosh!

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure.


Erm, that was kinda the point chief!
woosh!

The skobes where the brand new gear not old stuff....that was my point...whoosh yourself.

Re Hogan....don't be daft.

Boskowski

Call me old school but I think some sort of dress code should be maintained. It's bad enough sometimes with dress code still in place. I'd imagine with dress codes lifted some guys would play in their pyjamas. Tucked into their socks. With a footie Jersey on top.
I don't want to see that.

GreeBo

Boskowski wrote: »

Call me old school but I think some sort of dress code should be maintained. It's bad enough sometimes with dress code still in place. I'd imagine with dress codes lifted some guys would play in their pyjamas. Tucked into their socks. With a footie Jersey on top.
I don't want to see that.

Its not like it's expensive to get a polo and trousers these days.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

The skobes where the brand new gear not old stuff....that was my point...whoosh yourself.

Re Hogan....don't be daft.

Sure you did...Sure, hence you mentioned showing my age...:rolleyes:

Explain why Hogan would automatically be hitting the ball Rory distances?

cairny

GreeBo wrote: »

Sure you did...Sure, hence you mentioned showing my age...:rolleyes:

Explain why Hogan would automatically be hitting the ball Rory distances?

Ha, I had actually typed something stronger but moderated it to the age dig, I won't make that mistake again.

Re Hogan this probably isn't the thread for that debate, not sure why you brought it up here in the first place "chief". Start a thread if you like and I throw in my tuppence.

slave1

Boskowski wrote: »

Call me old school but I think some sort of dress code should be maintained. It's bad enough sometimes with dress code still in place. I'd imagine with dress codes lifted some guys would play in their pyjamas. Tucked into their socks. With a footie Jersey on top.
I don't want to see that.

I agree with you, the comment I replied to earlier was on not having a 'legit' polo shirt tucked in and a member crossing a fairway to the player in question to tuck it in, now that's madness and a prime example of the reputation of golf a few years back.
Have a look at Lowry's website and you see him up and down Ireland earlier this year or last year with his mates and golfing in tee shirt and hoodie! Release the hounds!!!

Boskowski

I think Shane Lowry comes across as a cool guy, probably my favourite Irish golfer.

The tucked in thing is over the top. It is old school stuffiness personified. But for a few exceptions I think golf has eased a lot on these things over the last 10 or 15 years. Which is good. The reasonable middle ground is best as it is for so many things.

Having said that its not too much to ask for people to actually look like they got out of bed. But I wasn't addressing any particular opinion or your post. I simply don't like it when people want to play golf but their attire oozes right form the start that really they're too cool for this game. I think we're all saying the same thing here.

Good luck with their game in 2015 to everyone btw. Yay, the days are getting longer and it looks like we're going to escape all those predicted weather bombs. Teeing off just after lunch for my first comp in two months, I'm itching.

GreeBo

cairny wrote: »

Ha, I had actually typed something stronger but moderated it to the age dig, I won't make that mistake again.

Re Hogan this probably isn't the thread for that debate, not sure why you brought it up here in the first place "chief". Start a thread if you like and I throw in my tuppence.

Was confusing the old vs present day thread!

sydneybound

Hold on now, no one is saying they should be playing in soccer or GAA shirts, thats just being presumed by our mod.

I'm all for polo shirts and a pair of slacks, never any issue with that. However walking across a fairway to tell a grown man in his late 40's that the back of his Lindeberg polo shirt was slighly hanging out after playing a tricky bunker shot is another matter altogether. I'm sure all will agree.

Also the craic that socks have to be mainly white or long or short, so your not allowed to wear medium sized socks! That type of thing doesn't help golf or its reputation.

cairny

sydneybound wrote: »

Hold on now, no one is saying they should be playing in soccer or GAA shirts, thats just being presumed by our mod.

I'm all for polo shirts and a pair of slacks, never any issue with that. However walking across a fairway to tell a grown man in his late 40's that the back of his Lindeberg polo shirt was slighly hanging out after playing a tricky bunker shot is another matter altogether. I'm sure all will agree.

Also the craic that socks have to be mainly white or long or short, so your not allowed to wear medium sized socks! That type of thing does help golf or its reputation.

But isn't that part of the great fabric and all that. You join a club where you feel comfortable and sneer at the neighbouring stuffy one....and they sneer at you for your shabbiness...and you both take great pleasure when you inflict an inter club defeat etc etc.

Boskowski

I'm a member of a club that is allegedly a bit stuffy and cliquish. We have a dress code which is primarily aimed at youngsters.
But in reality Ive never seen the stuffiness and the cliquishness, they're all normal enough and quite alright really. The youngsters are all really decent. If anything some of the older guys in their winter mucker looks are worse than the most laid back dressed junior.
The dress code is there to set a line in the sand. Its not being enforced to the letter of the law, its just there so that people wouldn't take the p1ss altogether.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote:

thats just being presumed by our mod.

Is that really necessary or helpful?

sydneybound

GreeBo wrote: »

not everyone wants to play golf with lads in their SHARP United Jersey.

No worries I understand your point however you were the one who first spoke about football jerseys, see above post.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote: »

you were the one who first spoke about football jerseys, see above post.

Indeed I was, because I have seen what people will turn up to play in.

sydneybound

GreeBo wrote: »

Indeed I was, because I have seen what people will turn up to play in.

I don't think that would always be the case.

GreeBo

sydneybound wrote: »

I don't think that would always be the case.

It doesn't need to "always" be the case to be an unwanted issue that's easily handled with a simple and easy to follow rule.

dan_ep82

Wasn't there a post on here last year where a committee member told another member in Ireland to tuck his shirt in?

I can understand the feeling of it if the person was wearing a shirt 2 sizes too big for him and it was at the back of his knees but I still wouldn't call him on it.

Its those types of signs, stories that someone outside the game will be put off by and the type golf is ridiculed for.

I think a dress code is needed in the same way every sport has one but as times are wont to do, they change and so does the fashion. I'm not saying trousers and shirts need to go but a relaxation of the rules would be welcome while not going overboard and dropping all etiquette

The fashion used to be long colourful socks over trousers, now nearly all clubs ban pulling socks over trousers in the etiquette section of most club sites.

Tracksuit bottoms are not allowed, unless they have the FJ symbol or Gortex on them somewhere. Can't understand why a pair of plain black tracksuit bottoms can't be considered good etiquette. Obviously not the ones with buttons all the way up the side but windproof bottoms (at least more so than normal trousers) are an advantage and inconspicuous no?

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Wasn't there a post on here last year where a committee member told another member in Ireland to tuck his shirt in?

I can understand the feeling of it if the person was wearing a shirt 2 sizes too big for him and it was at the back of his knees but I still wouldn't call him on it.

Its those types of signs, stories that someone outside the game will be put off by and the type golf is ridiculed for.

I think a dress code is needed in the same way every sport has one but as times are wont to do, they change and so does the fashion. I'm not saying trousers and shirts need to go but a relaxation of the rules would be welcome while not going overboard and dropping all etiquette

The fashion used to be long colourful socks over trousers, now nearly all clubs ban pulling socks over trousers in the etiquette section of most club sites.

Tracksuit bottoms are not allowed, unless they have the FJ symbol or Gortex on them somewhere. Can't understand why a pair of plain black tracksuit bottoms can't be considered good etiquette. Obviously not the ones with buttons all the way up the side but windproof bottoms (at least more so than normal trousers) are an advantage and inconspicuous no?

Sure rules change, but until they do they should be followed, there is room for leeway always but that's amatter of personal choice, hence why rules are required, for everyone's sake.

The kids in my club have club logoed hoodies and tracksuit bottoms. II don't think that's acceptable for grown adults though.

Plus twos and plus fours are specific short trousers with long socks, they are not just pulled up socks over trousers!

FixdePitchmark

GreeBo wrote: »

Sure rules change, but until they do they should be followed, there is room for leeway always but that's amatter of personal choice, hence why rules are required, for everyone's sake.

The kids in my club have club logoed hoodies and tracksuit bottoms. II don't think that's acceptable for grown adults though.

Plus twos and plus fours are specific short trousers with long socks, they are not just pulled up socks over trousers!

Yes, but for rules to change you need to test them , you need people at the edges , you need people to challenge them.

Look at the mobile phone rule - lads in 20s and 30s , have as much as bypassed that rule or ignored it.

I think i've seen a mobile phone used in every course I was in last year, except Portmarnock Old.

Golf clothing has been made casual by the industry and the pros themselves.

Sure the stuff some of the pros wear are embarrising.

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

Sure rules change, but until they do they should be followed, there is room for leeway always but that's amatter of personal choice, hence why rules are required, for everyone's sake.

The kids in my club have club logoed hoodies and tracksuit bottoms. II don't think that's acceptable for grown adults though.

Plus twos and plus fours are specific short trousers with long socks, they are not just pulled up socks over trousers!

I never mentioned rules should not be followed

I said rules could be changed to become more accommodating and in keeping with the times.

When you say logo'd, do you mean they have the Club logo on them?

As for not being acceptable for adults, just curious,why not?
Of course some can look tacky etc, but thats only my personal opinion, I have that opinion of what alot of tour pro's play in

Personally I wouldn't wear a hoodie to play golf simply because 90% of them would hinder play, but I do own and wear them.

Honestly, I don't think at 20yds you'd be able to see the difference between tucked in socks and plus twos and plus fours, but judging by your use of an exclamation mark you disagree.

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

I never mentioned rules should not be followed

I said rules could be changed to become more accommodating and in keeping with the times.

When you say logo'd, do you mean they have the Club logo on them?

As for not being acceptable for adults, just curious,why not?
Of course some can look tacky etc, but thats only my personal opinion, I have that opinion of what alot of tour pro's play in

Personally I wouldn't wear a hoodie to play golf simply because 90% of them would hinder play, but I do own and wear them.

Honestly, I don't think at 20yds you'd be able to see the difference between tucked in socks and plus twos and plus fours, but judging by your use of an exclamation mark you disagree.

I didn't specifically say you did, but you seem to have an issue with others upholding the rules.

They should change when the majority of them want to change, not just when a minority challenges them by flouting them.

Yeah, the pro shop had arand of kids gear.

They are not suitable for adults, the rules are relaxed for kids because it can be off putting for some kids, should are expected to understand.

I own them and wear them too and tracksuits, I also own Speedos, but since they aren't appropriate for golf idon't wear them when playing.

slave1

No need to bring Speedos into it, there's mental images that are better off being left alone :pac::pac:

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

I didn't specifically say you did, but you seem to have an issue with others upholding the rules.

They should change when the majority of them want to change, not just when a minority challenges them by flouting them.

Yeah, the pro shop had arand of kids gear.

They are not suitable for adults, the rules are relaxed for kids because it can be off putting for some kids, should are expected to understand.

I own them and wear them too and tracksuits, I also own Speedos, but since they aren't appropriate for golf idon't wear them when playing.

I think some rules are out dated yes but never said I had an issue with someone upholding them. Not having my polo shirt tucked in wouldn't be an issue in my club but I suppose if I was at another club and it was mentioned to me while I probably wouldn't agree with it, I'd still conform to the clubs rules while playing there though.

What detrimental effect could it have though? Sure you'll always have some who see it as a step in the wrong direction, away from tradition but they're will always be others who see it as a step in the right direction, to opening up the game more in any small way possible. I'm not talking about jersey's or metallica t shirt here.

Ah, but new golfers aren't always kids, many more are in they're twenties or thirties, so why allowances for them and not adults? It can be off putting for young adults just in the same way as it is for younger kids. Still no reason why it's not suitable for adults though?

I can understand why you used the metaphor,but I still think its wrong and ill used.

Your trying to make it sound like wearing plain tracksuit bottoms is the same as wearing speedo's on a golf course (you can wear what you want under your clothes btw :pac: )

One would be a very small step away from tradition and definitely wouldn't be seen as a gateway rule that allowed extremes changes to follow it. It would set no precedent for more outlandish rules. The other would never be even considered for a variety of reasons, the main one being decency and practicality.

Norfolk Enchants_

How one dresses says alot about ones character, those who can't be arsed to dress properly are rarely the same ones who go out of their way to keep the course tidy, e.g. they won't rake bunkers at all or when they do it's a half arsed attempt, they won't repair their pitch marks correctly and will almost never repair another besides their own and I can go on and on but you get the picture.

fullstop

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Your trying to make it sound like wearing plain tracksuit bottoms is the same as wearing speedo's on a golf course (you can wear what you want under your clothes btw :pac: )

One would be a very small step away from tradition and definitely wouldn't be seen as a gateway rule that allowed extremes changes to follow it. It would set no precedent for more outlandish rules. The other would never be even considered for a variety of reasons, the main one being decency and practicality.

Of course he is, anything for a 'debate'. They wouldn't like to see tracksuit-bottom clad people rocking up to The Grange though in fairness.

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

I think some rules are out dated yes but never said I had an issue with someone upholding them. Not having my polo shirt tucked in wouldn't be an issue in my club but I suppose if I was at another club and it was mentioned to me while I probably wouldn't agree with it, I'd still conform to the clubs rules while playing there though.

What detrimental effect could it have though? Sure you'll always have some who see it as a step in the wrong direction, away from tradition but they're will always be others who see it as a step in the right direction, to opening up the game more in any small way possible. I'm not talking about jersey's or metallica t shirt here.

Ah, but new golfers aren't always kids, many more are in they're twenties or thirties, so why allowances for them and not adults? It can be off putting for young adults just in the same way as it is for younger kids. Still no reason why it's not suitable for adults though?

I can understand why you used the metaphor,but I still think its wrong and ill used.

Your trying to make it sound like wearing plain tracksuit bottoms is the same as wearing speedo's on a golf course (you can wear what you want under your clothes btw :pac: )

One would be a very small step away from tradition and definitely wouldn't be seen as a gateway rule that allowed extremes changes to follow it. It would set no precedent for more outlandish rules. The other would never be even considered for a variety of reasons, the main one being decency and practicality.

The detrimental effect is people ignoring the rules and etiquette of the game, as I said, idon't mind rules changing, if that's what the majority in the club wants.
you may not be talking metallica t shirts, but others will, that's the nature of people.
Why is relaxing the rules for adults astep in the right direction? What possible barrier is trousers and a polo shirt to entry?

Because i think you make allowances for kids where you shouldn't need to for grown adults. It's not suitable for adults because the rules of the club demand a higher dress standard.

And no I'm not, I wore a plain tracksuit trousers playing as a kid. The key being as a kid. Why would an adult have a problem with a dress code? They can accept no trainers when they go out somewhere nice.

GreeBo

fullstop wrote: »

Of course he is, anything for a 'debate'. They wouldn't like to see tracksuit-bottom clad people rocking up to The Grange though in fairness.

Fyp.

Can't do anything about the bigotry though.

fullstop

GreeBo wrote: »

Fyp.

Can't do anything about the bigotry though.

Bigots in The Grange? I should hope not.

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

The detrimental effect is people ignoring the rules and etiquette of the game, as I said, idon't mind rules changing, if that's what the majority in the club wants.
you may not be talking metallica t shirts, but others will, that's the nature of people.
Why is relaxing the rules for adults astep in the right direction? What possible barrier is trousers and a polo shirt to entry?

Because i think you make allowances for kids where you shouldn't need to for grown adults. It's not suitable for adults because the rules of the club demand a higher dress standard.

And no I'm not, I wore a plain tracksuit trousers playing as a kid. The key being as a kid. Why would an adult have a problem with a dress code? They can accept no trainers when they go out somewhere nice.

Now we're jumping to conclusions again, no where did I say ignore/break rules, but a need for a change.

You can still impose/keep rules that dis allow jerseys or t-shirts while allowing more conforming clothing.

Simply put, I didn't own a pair of trousers or polo outside of dress wear and I wouldn't wear it on the course. Before I could play I had to go out and buy new clothes. Not a massive barrier, but its another excuse to for those to not play.

I think your wrong there, kids and grown up's aren't all that different. I'm sure some adults would like to wear tracksuit bottoms over trousers from time to time.

Again, you keep coming back to current rules, can you not at least explain your thoughts on the reasoning behind the rules. I'm saying they could be improved upon, not disregarded and that with a "higher dress standard", the style could change.

In fact I think thats exactly what you were claiming, your metaphor is quite clear.

You'll notice those same places will let you in during day time in trainers, its once it go pasts a certain time it changes from casual wear to evening wear.

And I could understand if a tighter etiquette was enforced upon competitions, the same way you can practice in a tracksuit for football but play the game in the uniform.

ForeRight

fullstop wrote: »

Bigots in The Grange? I should hope not.

Keano

Not helpful. If you've nothing to add then leave well alone

GreeBo

I think you need to stop reading too much into my posts, I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm dying that they're are plenty of people who will push the boundaries.
Again, we allow more confirming clothing for children, iI think it's reasonable to expect an adult can spend 20 on trousers and a polo shirt, don't you? It's add much abarrier as having to buy apair of boots, gum shield, Jersey, helmet, etc etc.

Yes adults want things, but they are supposed to be nature enough to realise that you can't always do what you want in life.

Having adress code works the same as everywhere, it makes people make aminimal effort, one that will hopefully be also made regarding the etiquette of the game. Those unwilling to make that tiny effort are also probably unwilling to do the other things required to play golf. Styles naturally change, a tracksuit isn't astyle change though.

It's not at all what iam claiming. I'm stating that some things are appropriate for different occasions. It's why you don't wear sandals to aformal wedding, or funeral.

My club has relaxed the dress code in the club house, but not on the course, there is absolutely no need to.

Public courses are typically more relaxed, if it's such a problem why not play oons public course?

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

I think you need to so trading into my posts, I'm not accusing you of anything, I'm dying that they're are plenty of people who will push the boundaries.
Again, we allow more confirming clothing for children, iI think it's reasonable to expect an adult can spend 20 on trousers and a polo shirt, don't you? It's add much abarrier as having to buy apair of boots, gum shield, Jersey, helmet, etc etc.

Yes adults want things, but they are supposed to be nature enough to realise that you can't always do what you want in life.

Having adress code works the same as everywhere, it makes people make aminimal effort, one that will hopefully be also made regarding the etiquette of the game. Those unwilling to make that tiny effort are also probably unwilling to do the other things required to play golf. Styles naturally change, a tracksuit isn't astyle change though.

It's not at all what iam claiming. I'm stating that some things are appropriate for different occasions. It's why you don't wear sandals to aformal wedding, or funeral.

My club has relaxed the dress code in the club house, but not on the course, there is absolutely no need to.

Not sure how to read the first line, could you re-type it for me please, I assume I'm being a bit dense.

But if you want to just play a fottbal game with your friends, outside a competition or offical match, do they dress up in full gear or wear something comfortable yet functional (eg. tracksuit over jeans)

If every adult/sport/community lived their lives without changing rules to suit the times we would still have women who are not allowed to play golf, Kings of Ireland and all other silly laws. If we changed the subject to women golf and went back a few years your answers would fit perfectly. The rules are as is, its tradition, women are adults and can't always have what they want.

Once again, I'm not saying to abolish clothing etiqutee,simply to broaden it. And unfortunately a tracksuit is a style, its generally called casual. In the older ages casual may be a jumper and jeans but both are still casual style.

It depends on the style and gender if sandals are appropriate but thats another issue. A wedding or funeral are formal occasions, where as golf is first and foremost a sport, one that many play casually rather than competitively.

I could actually understand if it was the other way around, it would fall in line with other dining/alcohol outlets.

I'm sure most do, but would it not be better to have more golfers joining clubs, keep clubs alive?

Again, I know its a very minor discouragement, but they all add. If I was to take yourself as a typical Irish golfer its no wonder why things are hard to change when you wouldn't like to allow simple plain tracksuit bottoms on the course.

GreeBo

I edited it...auto correct issues!

If I'm playing footie with my mates we stick on boots of done description, astro typically.
tracksuit over jeans does not sound comfortable to me!

The rules are relaxed, styles are more casual, it's not amillion years ago a shirt and tie was worn.
If you allow aplain tracksuit why not a plain t shirt?
maybe allow a single stripe? Where do you draw the line?

Comparing gender equality to a dress code is a bridge too far methinks.

Casual doesn't mean tracksuit to me tbh. What would you call jeans and regular trousers so? What's below tracksuit on your fashion scale? ( other than my Speedos!)

Idon't think relaxing dress codes any further would have any impact at all. If it did then someone would have tried it already.

Personally ithink it would be hell and you certainly wouldn't get people paying top money to join such aclub. Exactly the same way add you don't get top prices or quality in a student bar.

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

I edited it...auto correct issues!

If I'm playing footie with my mates we stick on boots of done description, astro typically.
tracksuit over jeans does not sound comfortable to me!

The rules are relaxed, styles are more casual, it's not amillion years ago a shirt and tie was worn.
If you allow aplain tracksuit why not a plain t shirt?
maybe allow a single stripe? Where do you draw the line?

Comparing gender equality to a dress code is a bridge too far methinks.

Casual doesn't mean tracksuit to me tbh. What would you call jeans and regular trousers so? What's below tracksuit on your fashion scale? ( other than my Speedos!)

Idon't think relaxing dress codes any further would have any impact at all. If it did then someone would have tried it already.

Personally ithink it would be hell and you certainly wouldn't get people paying top money to join such aclub. Exactly the same way add you don't get top prices or quality in a student bar.

Boots, football shoes would fall under necessary equipment I think, and normal people change into tracksuit bottoms :pac:

You draw the line where the majority would agree on while still trying to meet halfway, like most rules now that some disagree with they still follow them. Its the same reason polo shirts are allowed now over shirt and tie, it was drawn where appropriate.

I was trying not to compare both issues while using them to highlight the problem as I see it, the thinking behind them.

Casual wear is different to many, not everyone adheres to the same styles. For me there's formal wear and casual wear, with a blend of the two at times. Where would you put tracksuits? (this is going off topic ha)

Oh and thats not a style, thats something for after hours :pac:

How can you predict the outcome of a change without trying it though?

The same could be said from the otherside, why would they pay top money to be looked down upon?

Boskowski

Its a bit like in a professional environment.
Imposing a dress code is not just there to nag or patronise people or for show. Showering and shaving and putting on a shirt and tie and suit or smart casual as a requirement to enter your workplace puts you a bit into a 'no messing', professional frame of mind.

Golf is a bit like that because the golf course and the game itself shouldn't be approached carelessly. Its not a place to be messing around. Its a bit too dangerous to do so and also the course is expensive to maintain and needs care both from staff and players. I know this will probably sound 'stuffy' too some but I do believe people who slouch onto the course in runners and sweat pants and look like they don't 'respect' (for want of a better word) the place are less likely to treat the place with care and respect and play the game in earnest. Having to follow some sort of formality with regards to attire and the rest promotes proper behaviour and etiquette.

That doesn't mean that people who wear the proper attire always respect the course and the game and it also doesn't mean that all people who would want to wear slouchy attire would disrespect the place but in general I believe the above is true. Its anecdotal, no more, but the only people I've ever seen messing around the place, drinking even, playing 'crazy' golf, well, they looked a bit like they might do just that.

Whats so terribly hard about smarting up a bit anyway? I'm a very casual guy myself but I have no problem dressing up just a tad (and it isn't even that) when I go to work or play golf. As it has been said before you can buy a pair of chinos or cords and a polo for probably under €25 in Penneys.

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Boots, football shoes would fall under necessary equipment I think, and normal people change into tracksuit bottoms :pac:

You draw the line where the majority would agree on while still trying to meet halfway, like most rules now that some disagree with they still follow them. Its the same reason polo shirts are allowed now over shirt and tie, it was drawn where appropriate.

I was trying not to compare both issues while using them to highlight the problem as I see it, the thinking behind them.

Casual wear is different to many, not everyone adheres to the same styles. For me there's formal wear and casual wear, with a blend of the two at times. Where would you put tracksuits? (this is going off topic ha)

Oh and thats not a style, thats something for after hours :pac:

How can you predict the outcome of a change without trying it though?

The same could be said from the otherside, why would they pay top money to be looked down upon?

Polo shirts were allowed because people no longer typically wear a suit, there were no other clothes back then! Builders went to work in a 3 piece.

I'd put tracksuits in the realm of something iwear to sweat in, or lounge at home.

So why has no club tried it?

Why are they being looked down on though? Because they can't be bothered to follow the etiquette of the club.
nothing to do with money, a tracksuit is typically far more expensive.

TheDoc

As a member golfer of 15 years I can safely say I do not give a **** what people wear on the course. As long as they are there to play golf properly.

I've never had this issue in my club thankfully. As a junior I wore runners into the clubhouse and kept it up as an adult. And few years back they scrapped some ridiculous dress codes and people can wear things like jeans and runners in the clubhouse. And that's fine with me...it gets people into the bar spending money and adding an actual atmosphere.

I get all the sides to the argument. But personally just couldn't care less. As long as the person can play golf.

And considering the absolute garbage they pass for golf attire now...I'm pretty sure dress codes have long since gone. Flourescent colours...white trousers...red toursers?! Get a grip.

FixdePitchmark

Boskowski

Dress codes have eased up so much. Most golf shoes look like runners anyway and a lot of runners you could actually play with in the summer. A lot of golf tops don't have collars and chinos aren't really required either. Straight cords are fine and my club allows jeans in fact. All what golf dress code is about is to not allow the laziest of garb.

Whats the obsessions with tracksuits and sweat pants and hoodies anyway? On most fellas they do not look cool, they just look pyjama like, unkempt and lazy.

GreeBo

Boskowski wrote: »

Dress codes have eased up so much. Most golf shoes look like runners anyway and a lot of runners you could actually play with in the summer. A lot of golf tops don't have collars and chinos aren't really required either. Straight cords are fine and my club allows jeans in fact. All what golf dress code is about is to not allow the laziest of garb.

Whats the obsessions with tracksuits and sweat pants and hoodies anyway? On most fellas they do not look cool, they just look pyjama like, unkempt and lazy.

Apparently is a barrier to entry...

John Divney

Tucked in shirt is just normal, if they are the modern polo's they are tight anyway and nobody would say tuck it in because they fit well.

But white socks are hardly the epitome of gentlemen attire. Weird.