Not sure if it's the right decision or not

mandrake04

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I decided a few months ago based on the advice on this thread and because I won't earn as much money over there in my profession not to pursue a permanent Migration Visa and stay in Ireland however I am starting to regret that decision.


I am 36 years old , single with no mortgage and have very few friends here, I have a decent job and live in Waterford which isn't the most exciting of places especially if you were to compare it to somewhere like Melbourne, my life is basically work all week and be bored at the weekends watch tv etc, I go home to visit the parents every month or so but when I say home its the house my parents live in but Its not where I grew up in we don't really know anyone around the community, my parents moved around 3 or 4 times when I was young so I don't have this sense of belonging to any community, this last move happened when I was in college so it definitely was never home for me


Other than the salary my profession would give me over in Australia my other concern is building a career over there, I don't really love want I do and I have never been interested in being promoted in it, I get good money because I do shift and overtime, at 34k a year my basic gross salary is quite modest


AS I may have mentioned already my brother is living in Melbourne and has been going out with an Australian girl for the past 10 years and he has no intention of coming home ever, he has been eager for me to move over for quite some time and said I could stay with him for free until I find a Job and get on my feet


Starting to think I should just go as life is just so boring for me right now and at the end of the day I have no dependents and only myself to look after, I just wish I could go over with better career prospects

You do know you don't have to work in your profession if you get PR? Once you are in you can work at what ever you want, if your profession is not paying good then maybe try your hand at something else that pays better and that think you might even enjoy it as well. It's hard to break into a new profession but doable if you put your mind to it, one of my mates came as a mechanic and now he joined the police.

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I would but the fact I have family over in Australia makes it first choice plus there's no way I would get sponsorship for a visa in the US with my qualifications and experience

I know it's a bit ahead of the game but if you were to get PR and 4 years later you got an Australian Passport you would have a better chance of getting into USA with a E-3 visa for USA (as long as you have a degree) than you would with your Irish passport.

shadowcomplex

mandrake04 wrote: »

You do know you don't have to work in your profession if you get PR? Once you are in you can work at what ever you want, if your profession is not paying good then maybe try your hand at something else that pays better and that think you might even enjoy it as well. It's hard to break into a new profession but doable if you put your mind to it, one of my mates came as a mechanic and now he joined the police.




I know it's a bit ahead of the game but if you were to get PR and 4 years later you got an Australian Passport you would have a better chance of getting into USA with a E-3 visa for USA (as long as you have a degree) than you would with your Irish passport.

How long does PR Take? Bear in mind ill be 37 in may

shadowcomplex

Also I was going to spend a good bit of cash on an agent to take care of the visa side of things for me , should I do this myself. Is there a step by step process I cant where I can see exactly what I need to do?

mandrake04

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

Hat tip to the above !!

60$ an hour to get by here? some people must be crazy !!

$60/hr is very achievable, on a 37hr week without overtime that's only $115K a year that's very modest in Sydney. I had an ex colleague from Donegal just walk into that kind of money in a job in Melbourne, he did bargain a bit to get it but since he was moving his family he was adamant he wanted at least $110K + allowances. Right enough he had a wife and a two year old but if he was single I'd say same boyo would have held out for the same.

Crazy I think not, I wouldn't get out of bed for less than $60/hr and I definitely wouldn't work evenings or weekends for less than double that.....simply because I know it's very very obtainable.

Mellor

shadowcomplex wrote: »

How long does PR Take? Bear in mind ill be 37 in may

What visa were you talking about in the OP. I assume it was a PR visa.

shadowcomplex

Mellor wrote: »

What visa were you talking about in the OP. I assume it was a PR visa.

state sponsored migration visa subclass 190

shadowcomplex

mandrake04 wrote: »

$60/hr is very achievable, on a 37hr week without overtime that's only $115K a year that's very modest in Sydney. I had an ex colleague from Donegal just walk into that kind of money in a job in Melbourne, he did bargain a bit to get it but since he was moving his family he was adamant he wanted at least $110K + allowances. Right enough he had a wife and a two year old but if he was single I'd say same boyo would have held out for the same.

Crazy I think not, I wouldn't get out of bed for less than $60/hr and I definitely wouldn't work evenings or weekends for less than double that.....simply because I know it's very very obtainable.

Whats his Job Title?

mandrake04

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Whats his Job Title?

Hardware Engineer

bruschi

If it were me, I'd go and do it. There is nothing worse than having regrets.

"When you look back on your life, you'll regret the things you didn't do more than the ones you did."

Give it a go, whats the worst that will happen? If it goes bad, then you can come home, and I'm sure there would be opportunities to get back into the same line of work, or even change a career if thats what you want. And if it goes well, then all good. But at least give it a go and dont regret it in another years time.

Dont be worrying about the money or cost of living etc now. You wont know what you need to live off until you get going there and have your own cost of living. Everyone bases it off their own experiences and situations, so treat them as guides rather than being specific to your own situation.

bucketybuck

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I am a 37 year old guy

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I am 36 years old

Why not wait a few more years, until you get back to your twenties.

Mellor

shadowcomplex wrote: »

state sponsored migration visa subclass 190

That's a PR visa.

Vertakill

Mellor wrote: »

That's a PR visa.

Yeah that's the same visa that I'm on.
Although, I did 2 WHV's before that.

I'm not sure if you're questioning it or if you're just making a comment, but you can apply directly for that without having to set foot in the country before your application.

Mellor

Vertakill wrote: »

I'm not sure if you're questioning it or if you're just making a comment, but you can apply directly for that without having to set foot in the country before your application.

Wasn't questioning it at all. Post was prob hard to follow on its own without context.

Mandrake wrote: »

You do know you don't have to work in your profession if you get PR? s

shadowcomplex wrote: »

How long does PR Take? Bear in mind ill be 37 in may

Mellor wrote: »

What visa were you talking about in the OP. I assume it was a PR visa.

shadowcomplex wrote: »

state sponsored migration visa subclass 190

Mellor wrote: »

That's a PR visa.

bestleftfull3

mandrake04 wrote: »

$60/hr is very achievable, on a 37hr week without overtime that's only $115K a year that's very modest in Sydney. I had an ex colleague from Donegal just walk into that kind of money in a job in Melbourne, he did bargain a bit to get it but since he was moving his family he was adamant he wanted at least $110K + allowances. Right enough he had a wife and a two year old but if he was single I'd say same boyo would have held out for the same.

Crazy I think not, I wouldn't get out of bed for less than $60/hr and I definitely wouldn't work evenings or weekends for less than double that.....simply because I know it's very very obtainable.

May I ask what your profession/job is for $60 an hour?

mandrake04

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

May I ask what your profession/job is for $60 an hour?

I'm my case it's a Hardware Engineer, but I have plenty of friends who are doing other occupations would be getting similar.

Also I never said you need $60/hr 'to get by' I said $32/hr is crap because frankly it is.

bestleftfull3

mandrake04 wrote: »

I'm my case it's a Hardware Engineer, but I have plenty of friends who are doing other occupations would be getting similar.

Also I never said you need $60/hr 'to get by' I said $32/hr is crap because frankly it is.

I wouldn't say it's "'crap'', do you think there are many jobs on offer in Ireland for the euro equivalent of $32?

top madra

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's "'crap'', do you think there are many jobs on offer in Ireland for the euro equivalent of $32?

It's not crap but it's also not great, it's just borderline.

As in yeah you can survive but Sydney is very expensive and if you want a half decent place to live/car etc and a night out at the weekend you won't have much change left for savings etc.

You can't compare Ireland and Australia, they are completely different in terms of cost of living.

d.pop

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's "'crap'', do you think there are many jobs on offer in Ireland for the euro equivalent of $32?

It's all relative I think, the OP was earning 65k in Ireland, that is a bloody good wage at home but of course depends on ones personal circumstances and tendency to spend money.

To deal in real terms that equivalent buying/spending power would surely be in the $150k region in Oz.
In my industry, FIFO to remote construction sites, there are few management types on less than $100 p. hour.
That is an excellent salary BUT none of these guys are driving ferraris around Perth because most have families etc to support.

Thing is that not all industries are equal between the 2 countries and sometimes your earning power is doubled OR halved or similar just by moving abroad!

When you read the OP again it is leaning towards money being an issue, I think this is what has thrown the thread off line somewhat with people debating the finances, personally , I stand by my original reply on this post along the lines of if money is a big issue oz MIGHT not be the best option based on the OP's earning power in oz versus Ireland, if a change of lifestyle and scenery is required without worrying about making a fortune oz could be the answer.

mandrake04

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's "'crap'', do you think there are many jobs on offer in Ireland for the euro equivalent of $32?

As already mentioned cost of living is different and its all relative, a professional aiming for $50+ ph is not unreasonable when a labourer is earning $25-$30. As often you have people on here whinging about about a pint of beer being so expensive at $8, yet they often think $30 ph is somehow fantastic because they convert that to €22.

It's ok if you are supplementing your holiday on a WHV, but in the case of the OP was talking about a skilled visa meaning that he is a professional.

He mentions that $32 for a Lab tech, reality is that a Lab tech in Australia might simply be a sample loader & button pusher on an Analyser which you wouldn't need a degree for but with his qualifications he might actually be classed as a scientist interpreting the results in which case he could be selling himself short.

So you might think that $32 is not crap but I know lead hands formworking bridges and laying gas at $55+ph and their monkeys are only getting $30 because that's the going rate. On the positive it's better than bar work rates which is really crap but at $32 i wouldn't be pulling out the cigars.

shadowcomplex

Yes I have noticed that a lot of the lab tech jobs on seek seem basic enough roles so perhaps I am selling myself short, My official title is QC Biochemist. Now I did mention in a previous post that I gross 65k but that's because I'm on call and on shift and do some overtime, my gross salary without all the extras is a more modest 34k, so perhaps I could get a better rate for my actual experience and skills than 32 dollars an hour

Mellor

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Yes I have noticed that a lot of the lab tech jobs on seek seem basic enough roles so perhaps I am selling myself short, My official title is QC Biochemist. Now I did mention in a previous post that I gross 65k but that's because I'm on call and on shift and do some overtime, my gross salary without all the extras is a more modest 34k, so perhaps I could get a better rate for my actual experience and skills than 32 dollars an hour

Would a biomedical technician be simialr? I have no idea, just asking as there's job's for that on seek for $90k pa

mandrake04

Mellor wrote: »

Would a biomedical technician be simialr? I have no idea, just asking as there's job's for that on seek for $90k pa

Depends on the job description, but that sounds like a Service Technician for medical equipment. OP sounds rather like an end user.

If you have a link I could give you a better idea.

Mellor

mandrake04 wrote: »

Depends on the job description, but that sounds like a Service Technician for medical equipment. OP sounds rather like an end user.

If you have a link I could give you a better idea.

It was this one, but I think your are right about it being a more maintainence/service engineer role that a lab tech role.
http://www.seek.com.au/job/28287754?pos=5&type=standard

Cooperspale

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Yes I have noticed that a lot of the lab tech jobs on seek seem basic enough roles so perhaps I am selling myself short, My official title is QC Biochemist. Now I did mention in a previous post that I gross 65k but that's because I'm on call and on shift and do some overtime, my gross salary without all the extras is a more modest 34k, so perhaps I could get a better rate for my actual experience and skills than 32 dollars an hour

Maybe you are selling yourself short & could get more than the basic here. You're obviously in a rut where you are, so take the punt & head to Oz.

You have the bonus of family and a place to stay while you set up or for longer, a lot of people don't have that luxury. Fact is, if you rent here in the big cities a great chunk of your salary will go on board and bills. I would add as in previous post, bring enough cash with you for all scenarios.

Also as mentioned by d.pop, not all industries are the same between Australia & Ireland. I personally have taken a hit wage wise because my industry here is flooded with too many new local graduates and no wage increase in 4/5 years in the main cities. I could earn more regionally but I want to live in Melbourne. Meanwhile pals in Ireland took a hit during the recession but it's back up again now with inflation.

$32 ph is an alright start with minimal rent, but the more inclined you are to settle here, the more you will need a higher wage.

shadowcomplex

mandrake04 wrote: »

You do know you don't have to work in your profession if you get PR? Once you are in you can work at what ever you want, if your profession is not paying good then maybe try your hand at something else that pays better and that think you might even enjoy it as well. It's hard to break into a new profession but doable if you put your mind to it, one of my mates came as a mechanic and now he joined the police.




I know it's a bit ahead of the game but if you were to get PR and 4 years later you got an Australian Passport you would have a better chance of getting into USA with a E-3 visa for USA (as long as you have a degree) than you would with your Irish passport.

Yes but what jobs pay well in Australia that you don't need a 3rd level qualification for, also is it possible to study part-time in Australia whilst on this visa, is it very expensive?

c0rk3r

You've been mulling this over for 3 years. Enough research and advice has been given. Its up to you, either do it or don't.

statina

c0rk3r wrote: »

You've been mulling this over for 3 years. Enough research and advice has been given. Its up to you, either do it or don't.

Exactly, make a decision one way or another and stick to it. You will drive yourself mad constantly analysing it

mandrake04

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Yes but what jobs pay well in Australia that you don't need a 3rd level qualification for, also is it possible to study part-time in Australia whilst on this visa, is it very expensive?

On a 190 visa you can work at anything you want (except government jobs that require citizenship), full time, part time or not at all if you choose (and can afford it). If you want to study part time that's no problem and not a bad idea to keep yourself marketable. Studying at TAFE which is like further education college is not wildly expensive but universities can be.

As for what jobs pay well, there is no definitive list. I believe anybody can do any job they want if the apply themselves enough, qualifications are only a sheets of paper indicating that you have foundation knowledge in a particular field. They are particularly useful for getting your foot through the door and proving that you have the ability to learn . The real knowledge is learning on the job.