Irish TV hopes to launch on Saorview

BreakingBadLad

Seen it in the Sunday Times this evening that Irish TV, the Irish diaspora channel, hopes to copy the success of UTV Ireland by launching on saorview next year.

Now I've been reading a few of the TV3/UTV/RTE threads here and its been suggested that the more channels that launch on saorview the cheaper HD carriage costs are(thinking of TV3/TG4/UTVI. Is this true?

Sensay

that's a good idea

Infoanon

I would doubt if they could afford the carriage costs.

They have been unable to secure carriage on UPC which in itself says a lot about their Saorview ambitions

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BreakingBadLad wrote: »

Seen it in the Sunday Times this evening that Irish TV, the Irish diaspora channel, hopes to copy the success of UTV Ireland by launching on saorview next year.

Now I've been reading a few of the TV3/UTV/RTE threads here and its been suggested that the more channels that launch on saorview the cheaper HD carriage costs are(thinking of TV3/TG4/UTVI. Is this true?

To be honest any money they have they should use it to improve their content which isn't great before launching on Saorview.

BreakingBadLad

Infoanon wrote: »

I would doubt if they could afford the carriage costs.

They have been unable to secure carriage on UPC which in itself says a lot about their Saorview ambitions

Regarding finance they are hoping to secure carriage on over 200 US networks in 2015 and so this will give them a source of huge advertising revenue, I'd say. The investors behind the project have allocated €15m for the channel, €1m of which is for distribution of the channel.

ftakeith

This channel on saorview would get less than 1% of saorview viewers

Their content on freesat is terrible

Harry Palmr

Well if you want to watch warbling heavy sweatered songstrals Irish TV is your man! But TG4 may already have that market sown up.

JDxtra

I’m sure that channel has a niche audience, but for the rest of us - it’s just a tad embarrassing. I can't believe it's listed on the Freesat EPG! The adverts they show I suppose are at least a good laugh to watch. Real DIY jobs!

lertsnim

The channel was created for the diaspora and they should try and improve it for them instead of wasting money on Saorview. I couldn't imagine more than a 1000 people watching it in this country.

dublinman1990

What about those who have a combi set-up with Saorview and FTA Satellite like myself?

The channel on Freesat is already in SD at the moment. If they improve their output before they possibly launch in HD on Saorview it could be very popular with Irish viewers on that platform and many others including Sky and Freesat.

The issue here is of paying the carriage fees to make the channel viable on Saorview. The more reduced the fees are for the channel, the more attractive it is to go HD if they can well afford to do so.

More Music

BreakingBadLad wrote: »

Seen it in the Sunday Times this evening that Irish TV, the Irish diaspora channel, hopes to copy the success of UTV Ireland by launching on saorview next year.

What's the point if it's an Irish diaspora channel? Saorview doesn't serve the Irish diaspora.

It's a kite flying exercise, jumping on the band wagon etc. to get a bit of publicity on the back of UTV Ireland launch.

I know they have a big backer in London but Saorview costs would cripple them.

Elmo

I think it would do better on Saorview but it will have improve quality and add programming. I'd say advertising alone would pay for Soarview carriage.

Widescreen

If this channel comes on Saorview(along with Oireachtas TV that really says it all about our terrestrial service! Need I say more:rolleyes:

Elmo

Widescreen wrote: »

If this channel comes on Saorview(along with Oireachtas TV that really says it all about our terrestrial service! Need I say more:rolleyes:

They could share a channel on Saorview

lertsnim

Widescreen wrote: »

If this channel comes on Saorview(along with Oireachtas TV that really says it all about our terrestrial service! Need I say more:rolleyes:

The lack of channels joining says even more.

Gonzo

there really should be some FTA channels on Saorview at this stage such as Euronews, CBS Action, Food Network, France 24, True Movies etc. Setanta should be there as well. These may not be great channels but at least it's a bit more of a selection than just the highly limited selection of RTE, TV3 and TG4.

braddun

diaspora sounds like a disease

Sam Russell

Until they sort out the charges, it will be impossible for any such stations to go on Saorview. When the main channels go HD, and we get a few +1 channels, the cost of these channels will drop to more realistic levels.

Having charges based on bandwidth, and cost plus with 2RN getting €12m whatever, it will never work until the second mux is nearly full.

Widescreen

I might be wrong, but I think the main irish stations don't really want the competition which is why this service will always be just the analogue service(plus a couple of rarely watched stations) with a clearer picture!

Also, why is there never anything on in HD on RTE1 and RTE2 other than sport?

eg Film the Dark Knight Rises is on RTE2 but only in SD and its then on one of the UK terrestrials in HD?

And the Soarview info always has HD!

lertsnim

Only sport in HD? I think you're wrong there.

Infoanon

lertsnim wrote: »

Only sport in HD? I think you're wrong there.

The majority of RTE 2s shows are not in HD including a lot of the channels sport coverage though this is slowly improving.

lertsnim

Infoanon wrote: »

The majority of RTE 2s shows are not in HD

I never suggested otherwise. The claim that it is only sport in HD is wrong.

watty

BreakingBadLad wrote: »

Seen it in the Sunday Times this evening that Irish TV, the Irish diaspora channel, hopes to copy the success of UTV Ireland by launching on saorview next year.

Fantasy posturing.

We'll see are even still existing on Satellite in 2016-2017. With their current content they would never get the advertising income to maybe pay for a 1/10th of the transmission costs

Do they make any money now?

Besides, we won't know till 2016 or 2017 if UTV Ireland is a success. It's only launching in Jan, so they can't " copy the success of UTV Ireland"

Widescreen

lertsnim wrote: »

I never suggested otherwise. The claim that it is only sport in HD is wrong.

I regularly go through RTE2HD on the sky remote to see does the HD"" pop up for any programme and I haven't been lucky yet! I am not including sport here which is still rare enough in HD.

Can anyone name any programme other than sport that was on RTE2 in HD?

Just curious thanks

holidaysong

Widescreen wrote: »

Can anyone name any programme other than sport that was on RTE2 in HD?

Just curious thanks

Homeland and Vikings.

lertsnim

Widescreen wrote: »

I regularly go through RTE2HD on the sky remote to see does the HD"" pop up for any programme and I haven't been lucky yet! I am not including sport here which is still rare enough in HD.

Just because the HD symbol isn't on the EPG means nothing. RTÉ were always poor for flagging HD content. If you look at some of the content your eyes will tell you if it is HD or not.

lertsnim

holidaysong wrote: »

Homeland and Vikings.

Love/Hate was also HD on both RTÉ 1 and 2. Somebody should sit down and compile a list over a week as this no HD claim is made far too often.

Sam Russell

If you cannot tell if its in HD or not:

a. It does not matter to you, or
b. you need to get your eyes tested, or
c. get a better TV.

You choose.

watty

Sam Russell wrote: »

If you cannot tell if its in HD or not:

a. It does not matter to you, or
b. you need to get your eyes tested, or
c. get a better TV.

You choose.

Or sitting too far away for screen size.
Or connecting from a box via SCART.

Sam Russell

watty wrote: »

Or sitting too far away for screen size.

Get your eyes tested

Or connecting from a box via SCART.

Get a better TV.

icdg

moved to Terrestrial

Widescreen

lertsnim wrote: »

Love/Hate was also HD on both RTÉ 1 and 2. Somebody should sit down and compile a list over a week as this no HD claim is made far too often.

I look forward to your list then,shouldn't be too long I'd say:D

watty

Sam Russell wrote: »

Get your eyes tested



Get a better TV.

Eyes and TV can be perfect but someone can be too far away for screen size or using wrong connections / settings.

lertsnim

Widescreen wrote: »

I look forward to your list then,shouldn't be too long I'd say:D

Somebody won't be me

papu

Widescreen wrote: »

I look forward to your list then,shouldn't be too long I'd say:D

Do you miss the little icon which says HD when HD content is being played? All the harry potter movies shown over the last week were HD.

lertsnim

Hairspray on RTÉ Two HD now is HD also.

AwaitYourReply

Widescreen wrote: »

I might be wrong, but I think the main irish stations don't really want the competition which is why this service will always be just the analogue service(plus a couple of rarely watched stations) with a clearer picture!

Also, why is there never anything on in HD on RTE1 and RTE2 other than sport?

eg Film the Dark Knight Rises is on RTE2 but only in SD and its then on one of the UK terrestrials in HD?

And the Soarview info always has HD!

Analogue Switch Off (ASO) for all terrestrial television channels across Ireland & UK happened back on 24th of October 2012. Since then all terrestrial television signals have been broadcast in digital formats including the main Irish TV channels that you referenced in your earlier post.

You should find that some films have appeared in HD format already and this will happen more & more on RTÉ One HD and RTÉ2 HD. If it is a major blockbuster/classic the chances are it will at least be upscaled to high resolution quality these days where possible. I would look at your reception arrangements and settings if you have a full HD Ready and approved Saorview tv set.

Thurston?

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

... You should find that some films have appeared in HD format already and this will happen more & more on RTÉ One HD and RTÉ2 HD. If it is a major blockbuster/classic the chances are it will at least be upscaled to high resolution quality these days where possible. I would look at your reception arrangements and settings if you have a full HD Ready and approved Saorview tv set.

What do 'reception arrangements' have to do with whether something is HD or not? (Unless maybe someone is getting the NImux rather than Saorview.)

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

What do 'reception arrangements' have to do with whether something is HD or not? (Unless maybe someone is getting the NImux rather than Saorview.)

The clue is in the question!

If the viewer in question doubts if there is much output broadcast on RTÉ One/RTÉ2 in HD quality but happens to have rather poor reception on Saorview Vs a completely different system (i.e.) Sky/Freesat digital satellite that they use to receive other channels such as: itvHD then maybe there are issues with their reception arrangements for Saorview?

There are some people that have no proper aerial set up in or; perhaps they need to experiment further to get the optimum picture with their existing aerial. Maybe there is something blocking the aerial signal or causing interference in some form.

Thurston?

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

... perhaps they need to experiment further to get the optimum picture with their existing aerial.

That isn't how digital TV works, unless there is some kind of hierarchical modulation scheme in use: Saorview (& Freeview) don't have this, so no ability to fall back to a more robust, lower bitrate programme, if signal conditions do not allow decoding of the HD stream.

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

That isn't how digital TV works, unless there is some kind of hierarchical modulation scheme in use: Saorview (& Freeview) don't have this, so no ability to fall back to a more robust, lower bitrate programme, if signal conditions do not allow decoding of the HD stream.

Perhaps you should query the initial poster who claimed that nothing ever seemed to ever appear on his RTÉ One HD and RTÉ 2 HD apart from Sports coverage. I know I've seen some movies broadcast on RTÉ TV in what seemed like HD quality so; I don't know what else that can be said on the issue at hand.

Thurston?

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

Perhaps you should query the initial poster who claimed that nothing ever seemed to ever appear on his RTÉ One HD and RTÉ 2 HD apart from Sports coverage. I know I've seen some movies broadcast on RTÉ TV in what seemed like HD quality so; I don't know what else that can be said on the issue at hand.

It's nothing to do with aerials anyway.

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

It's nothing to do with aerials anyway.

Well of course his problem with the lack of HD material is not about aerials and reception - I was initially calling his bluff and continuing along the same vein :rolleyes:

That said does he seriously think that after the massive downturn in advertising revenue across all media since 2008 that a station such as RTÉ which has even had to support a raft of some of it's tv/digital radio channels with zero advertising revenue to support a full transition of programmes/studios to HD format against the backdrop of this long period of austerity. It's time for a serious reality check as they are competing against so many other TV/Radio channels both from inside and outside this state not to mention all other new media services also competing for advertising revenues.

IRISH TV may well get to launch on Saorview even before RTÉ could afford to showcase most of it's current output in HD format as they are still under huge pressure in terms of debt levels.

Thurston?

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

- I was initially calling his bluff and continuing along the same vein

What 'bluff'?

Anyway, the only thing I'm drawing attention to is your seeming offering of technical advice re. getting 'the optimum picture with their existing aerial'. Just in case some unfortunate might read it & think it's genuine advice.

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

What 'bluff'?

I have no intention of:
s p e l l i n g - i t - o u t !
:rolleyes:

Thurston?

See the edit to my previous post.

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

See the edit to my previous post.

What has any of this got to do with the channel "Irish TV hopes to launch on Saorview."

Please explain as Other viewers of this thread and forum may get very confused and somewhat irritated by your inability and refusal to adhere to the actual thread topic. At least have some consideration for them.

Thurston?

Well, if I saved 1 person the bother of climbing onto their roof, trying to align their aerial for 'HD reception', then I'm happy with my contribution to this thread.

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

Well, if I saved 1 person the bother of climbing onto their roof, trying to align their aerial for 'HD reception', then I'm happy with my contribution to this thread.

And what has all this got to do with "Irish TV hopes to launch on Saorview"
Nothing! Why would anyone take your advice seriously on anything when you cannot even adhere to the thread topic

Thurston?

There hasn't been an on-topic post since the top half of page 2.

AwaitYourReply

Thurston? wrote: »

There hasn't been an on-topic post since the top half of page 2.

So, two wrongs don't make a right - this does not give you a licence to disregard forum rules. You are displaying your own immaturity by continuously posting off-topic in this way.

Would you please kindly refrain as it has nothing to do with the topic: "Irish TV hopes to launch on Saorview"