2015 National Duathlon Series

viperlogic

Dates and races detailed here http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=2057 many of which on same weekend

king size mars bar

This S..t just got real,bit of a trip down for the NC.

Ceepo

viperlogic wrote: »

Dates and races detailed here http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=2057 many of which on same weekend

Looks like the National Champs is over a sprint distance

peter kern

king size mars bar wrote: »

This S..t just got real,bit of a trip down for the NC.

Could you explain what you don't like . effectively I think this is another improvement by Ti on last year .
And if you were to look around a bit you would see what impact last years dua champs had I think it's a smart move to have sprint champs as nobody really has the time to recover from a 2 hour duathlon at this time of the year.

sorry king size mars bar it looks like i missunderstood you.

tunney

peter kern wrote: »

Could you explain what you don't like . effectively I think this is another improvement by Ti on last year .
And if you were to look around a bit you would see what impact last years dua champs had I think it's a smart move to have sprint champs as nobody really has the time to recover from a 2 hour duathlon at this time of the year.

I took it to mean

"the sh1t got real"
==
Wow this is serious and important

"bit of a trip down for the NC."
==
I live at higher latitudes and will need to drive down to the event.

peter kern

i think fair geographical spread for champchips in 2015.

Ceepo

peter kern wrote: »

Could you explain what you don't like . effectively I think this is another improvement by Ti on last year .
And if you were to look around a bit you would see what impact last years dua champs had I think it's a smart move to have sprint champs as nobody really has the time to recover from a 2 hour duathlon at this time of the year.

I dont think it was a planned improvement but more of an enforced one. As fast as I am aware only one standard distance Duathlon looked to host the national champs but it was clashing with the Euro champs.

Regarding the recovery time, you could say the same for holding the Half distance in July (5 hr event)

peter kern

It's actually easier to recover from a half than a oly distance duathlon race

Ceepo wrote: »

I dont think it was a planned improvement but more of an enforced one. As fast as I am aware only one standard distance Duathlon looked to host the national champs but it was clashing with the Euro champs.

Regarding the recovery time, you could say the same for holding the Half distance in July (5 hr event)

tunny

peter kern wrote: »

It's actually easier to recover from a half than a oly distance duathlon race

For most I would agree. However some who can race a half running wise. They always fvcked me up.

king size mars bar

peter kern wrote: »

Could you explain what you don't like . effectively I think this is another improvement by Ti on last year .
And if you were to look around a bit you would see what impact last years dua champs had I think it's a smart move to have sprint champs as nobody really has the time to recover from a 2 hour duathlon at this time of the year.

sorry king size mars bar it looks like i missunderstood you.

I think you did misunderstood me a bit, I ment it as now the races are in black and white I must get my arse into gear with more training! I only do duathlons as swimming does not float my boat and I look forward to the races. I was very glad to see the series format last year and I think 2015 series will be better again. I plan to do the required 3 races and some, was gearing up for standard distance for the NC but it's a sprint now so happy days.

speedyj

Triathlon Ireland calendar now seems to show the Fastnet Duathlon in Cork on March 7th as the National Champs, wasn't it originally the duathlon in Ennis on March 29th?

They'll have to change the date, conflicts with the 3D pilgrimage to Carlow:D

promethius

looks like mullaghmore has been added to NS and is also Sprint National Championships.

king size mars bar

Anyone any info on the Fastnet Duathlon , distance wise and when does it open? So Ennis is defo not going ahead as a NS race?

viperlogic

Also is Tramore now not part of the national series? Banner has also been added to be part of the national series. hmmmm lots of confusion

viperlogic

speedyj wrote: »

Triathlon Ireland calendar now seems to show the Fastnet Duathlon in Cork on March 7th as the National Champs, wasn't it originally the duathlon in Ennis on March 29th?

They'll have to change the date, conflicts with the 3D pilgrimage to Carlow:D

Schull Tri Club just confirmed on their FB page it's (fastnet duathlon) not the NC. Error on TI calendar. There may well be other mistakes!!

king size mars bar

Can anyone give a definitive answer on which race is the NC race, Schull or Ennis?

viperlogic

king size mars bar wrote: »

Can anyone give a definitive answer on which race is the NC race, Schull or Ennis?

TI calendar has been corrected to show Ennis and not Fastnet. Also tramore is not part of the NS.

king size mars bar

Won't be too long coming around, I,ll get to see some of the country this year!

Podge83

viperlogic wrote: »

TI calendar has been corrected to show Ennis and not Fastnet. Also tramore is not part of the NS.

Tramore is part of NS. I queried this with TI during the week and they confirmed that it was an error on the calendar.

Can anyone confirm if the Ennis race which is to be the NC will be the same length as usual. 2.7/16/2.4 seems very short for NC - Its not even a sprint!! NC is usually 10/40/5 - appreciate above comment regarding lack of applications from races of the longer distance but why pick one so short?

viperlogic

Podge83 wrote: »

Tramore is part of NS. I queried this with TI during the week and they confirmed that it was an error on the calendar.

Lol, I asked Waterford Tri Club during the week and they said the duathlon is not NS but their Tri is

Podge83

viperlogic wrote: »

Lol, I asked Waterford Tri Club during the week and they said the duathlon is not NS but their Tri is

LOL indeed. There are a few anomalies on the TI calendar. I don't mind a few mistakes, but it normally takes a long time for them to sort them out. From memory they have the "Lord of the Dring" and Galway as Aquathon standard distance NC also.

king size mars bar

With the NC what other races do people intend on doing to make up the 3 to have points count in the series?

viperlogic

king size mars bar wrote: »

With the NC what other races do people intend on doing to make up the 3 to have points count in the series?

Limerick and Fota. Fastnet will be backup if needed but would prefer to do Ballycotton 10M instead that weekend

Jakey Rolling

Fota would be a handy one for me, but put off by the entry fee of €39. What do they offer that makes it twice the cost of most other duathlons?

viperlogic

Jakey Rolling wrote: »

Fota would be a handy one for me, but put off by the entry fee of €39. What do they offer that makes it twice the cost of most other duathlons?

Think there is a goodie bag and lots of prizes but wouldn't the sponsors cover this???? I would prefer half price entry rather than goodie bag. Last year it was €49 at the start but they finally dropped it to €39. Ill do it as its only down the road, so saves the diesel money to Galway or Clare Duathlon for same weekend etc

king size mars bar

I was going to do the two NAAS races but have a course to do in February now so might try either Trim or Schull along with NAAS in march.

Podge83

I see Ennis TC have extended the normal distances of their duathlon for NC. Not quite Olympic, but a sort of half way house.

http://www.ennistriclub.com/#!duathlon/chqp

Podge83

Podge83 wrote: »

Tramore is part of NS. I queried this with TI during the week and they confirmed that it was an error on the calendar.

Another email from TI--> The organisers don't want the race as part of NS so it has been removed from the list and the calendar as an NS Race.

Viperlogic, I stand corrected!! But I have an excuse - as with my whole life I was misled by others!!

viperlogic

king size mars bar wrote: »

I was going to do the two NAAS races but have a course to do in February now so might try either Trim or Schull along with NAAS in march.

Schull aka Fastnet not part of the NS now! It was my backup race so will have to have Trim or Naas #3 as backup now. Hopefully wont have to use them due to distance away from them and also the week before the NC in Ennis.

Podge83

Why do organisers not want to be part of NS. Surely this would attract more people to their races.

BTH

Podge83 wrote: »

Why do organisers not want to be part of NS. Surely this would attract more people to their races.

Not everyone who puts on a race does so to maximise their profit.

viperlogic

Podge83 wrote: »

Why do organisers not want to be part of NS. Surely this would attract more people to their races.

Others are hosting their Tri as part of the NS so focusing on that instead

Podge83

OK that's two reasons, but why would being part of NS affect either aspiration or wish??

Other than sorting the results to TI groups which would be done by the chip timing company, why not have it as part of the NS? The prize list doesn't have to be as tri NS afaik

king size mars bar

viperlogic wrote: »

Schull aka Fastnet not part of the NS now! It was my backup race so will have to have Trim or Naas #3 as backup now. Hopefully wont have to use them due to distance away from them and also the week before the NC in Ennis.

The plan for me now is Trim, Naas#3, Ennis. Signed up for Naas and Ennis waiting for Trim to open up for entry.

Jakey Rolling

Podge83 wrote: »

Another email from TI--> The organisers don't want the race as part of NS so it has been removed from the list and the calendar as an NS Race.

Viperlogic, I stand corrected!! But I have an excuse - as with my whole life I was misled by others!!

Hacked off at that - I had signed up on the basis that it was NS.
Looks like I'll be heading to Limerick the next day instead.:mad:

viperlogic

This is my first year being a TI member but shocked by the amount of mistakes etc. I'm still waiting a reply from them on the definitive list of NS races as the calender can't be trusted as is changing near daily

tunney

Podge83 wrote: »

Why do organisers not want to be part of NS. Surely this would attract more people to their races.

Additional safety and organisational requirements.
Percentage of places for TI members must be reserved.

Although I suspect sponsorship an impact too.

Plus if a race is going to fill does it really matter if it fills in 30 minutes or 30 days?

Finally by not being a NS race they will attract a higher calibre of athlete so maybe they want a serious race.

Who knows?

Podge83

tunney wrote: »

Additional safety and organisational requirements.
Percentage of places for TI members must be reserved.

Although I suspect sponsorship an impact too.

Plus if a race is going to fill does it really matter if it fills in 30 minutes or 30 days?

Finally by not being a NS race they will attract a higher calibre of athlete so maybe they want a serious race.

Who knows?

So better calibre athletes are attracted to races with lower organisational and safety requirements?? Wow

shansey

tunney wrote: »

Finally by not being a NS race they will attract a higher calibre of athlete so maybe they want a serious race.

Who knows?

That just doesn't make sense my friend..

sconhome

Podge83 wrote: »

So better calibre athletes are attracted to races with lower organisational and safety requirements?? Wow

I think the point is nothing to do with the safety standards.

There is a certain compliance required for NS standard and with a lot of oversight and liasing needed with TI for some clubs this is quite an onerous task for people who are just volunteers.

Very often you will get some of the better triathletes rocking up to club races when they can be fairly sure of a win. All depends on the prize pot etc.

tunney

Podge83 wrote: »

So better calibre athletes are attracted to races with lower organisational and safety requirements?? Wow

shansey wrote: »

That just doesn't make sense my friend..

It does if you really think about it.

Podge83

AKW wrote: »

I think the point is nothing to do with the safety standards.

There is a certain compliance required for NS standard and with a lot of oversight and liasing needed with TI for some clubs this is quite an onerous task for people who are just volunteers.

Very often you will get some of the better triathletes rocking up to club races when they can be fairly sure of a win. All depends on the prize pot etc.

Thanks for that - and it all makes sense, but overall if I was organising a race I'd prefer NS instead of non NS. Maybe what is coming to the surface is that the duathlon NS is a (and without bowing to Tunney's apparent inadvertent candour) mickey mouse competition.

In all fairness, TI's inability to prepare a calendar and co-ordinate with organising clubs doesn't help and indeed further lowers the competitions standing. Surely they should check with clubs before including their race on a list!!

tunney

Podge83 wrote: »

Thanks for that - and it all makes sense, but overall if I was organising a race I'd prefer NS instead of non NS. Maybe what is coming to the surface is that the duathlon NS is a (and without bowing to Tunney's apparent inadvertent candour) mickey mouse competition.

In all fairness, TI's inability to prepare a calendar and co-ordinate with organising clubs doesn't help and indeed further lowers the competitions standing. Surely they should check with clubs before including their race on a list!!

Apologies - I didn't realise this was the duathlon NS specifically. I misread the title. I withdraw my comments. I know nothing about duathlon in Ireland really.

sconhome

Podge83 wrote: »

Thanks for that - and it all makes sense, but overall if I was organising a race I'd prefer NS instead of non NS. Maybe what is coming to the surface is that the duathlon NS is a (and without bowing to Tunney's apparent inadvertent candour) mickey mouse competition.

In all fairness, TI's inability to prepare a calendar and co-ordinate with organising clubs doesn't help and indeed further lowers the competitions standing. Surely they should check with clubs before including their race on a list!!

Lots of moving parts and volunteer time involved doesn't make for the most efficient system.

TI are relying on clubs to get submissions in on time and that doesn't always go to plan which may result in changes to calendars. Could be a multitude of different things going on including politics at play too which can affect the final line up of these things.

shansey

This will hopefully be my third year doing the Letterkenny Duathlon and its second year of being NS.. There was a massive difference in the standard after they made it NS. So much higher.

As far as tris go I can get top ten in a local club race but nowhere near that in an NS.. its a higher standard..

viperlogic

Just did my first NS duathlon today Where can one see NS points scored?

mossym

viperlogic wrote: »

Just did my first NS duathlon today Where can one see NS points scored?

if it's anything like the tri NS, you'll be waiting a while. and i don't mean days. can take up to a couple of weeks for them to get posted

Podge83

Last Year it was October (for Duathlon NS)

viperlogic

Anyone else doing the Fota Duathlon this weekend? Bit exp at €39 but its local to me.

They have changed the bike route to clockwise this time

Podge83

Podge83 wrote: »

Last Year it was October (for Duathlon NS)

I see TI have the act together better this year. A few NS standings appearing.

Podge83

viperlogic wrote: »

Anyone else doing the Fota Duathlon this weekend? Bit exp at €39 but its local to me.

They have changed the bike route to clockwise this time

Did this today. Cycle route well marshalled on a slippy (due to weather) and hilly course. Plenty of marshalls on bikes. Run course tough enough. Good transition but no security whatsoever. A few great performances today.

Didn't like the cycle myself but the combination of course and conditions deffo ensured great bike skills were rewarded.