Smoking while a child is in the car is about to become illegal

seamus · 18-12-2014 2:07pm #1

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/dail-passes-bill-banning-smoking-in-cars-with-children-present-655123.html

The law is there now, it just has to be brought into force.

Personally think it's a great idea, but I know there'll be plenty of people whinging on about rights and freedoms and a nanny-state.

whiskeyman · 18-12-2014 2:08pm

But my child loves his smokes...

bjork · 18-12-2014 2:08pm

Children shouldn't be smoking full stop, whether it's in a car with their parents or behind the bike shed is irrelevant.

Micky Dolenz · 18-12-2014 2:09pm

Common sense law made actual law brought in to protect children from stupid people. I'm all for it.

ScumLord · 18-12-2014 2:10pm

Who do these children think they are stopping me from smoking when I want to smoke? That's it the nephews christmas presents are going in the fire, that'll teach them.

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-12-2014 2:11pm

the baby in that photo looks baked

more than tobacco he was smoking

Ken. · 18-12-2014 2:11pm

Even though I've now quit smoking I don't mind smoking in the car but absolutely forbid it if there is an under 18 in the car. If you don't like it, walk.

SpaceTime · 18-12-2014 2:12pm

Good!

Wabbit Ears · 18-12-2014 2:12pm

Apparently talking on mobiles while driving is also illegal. We should just keep making stuff illegal and never doing anything whatsoever to enforce it. Tis a great plan that seems to be working well.

phill106 · 18-12-2014 2:12pm

That's me fecked, I am always smoking...smoking hot!
*sticks on sunglasses*

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-12-2014 2:16pm

a law passed to prosecute utter gob****es

lukesmom · 18-12-2014 2:17pm

I have smoked on the odd occasion in the car with my window down - bold mammy!

lukesmom · 18-12-2014 2:17pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

a law passed to prosecute utter gob****es

Who u calling a gob****e Ya gob****e

Zombienosh · 18-12-2014 2:21pm

Poor kids will have to walk home now...

Tokyo · 18-12-2014 2:23pm

A law that's actually grounded in common sense for a change - I'm all for it. Just wish it had been in place when I was a kid.

lazybones32 · 18-12-2014 2:24pm

"999. What's your emergency?"

"There's someone smoking in a car and I think, I think there might be a child in it..."

nullzero · 18-12-2014 2:24pm

Good news. Stupid patents smoking around kids. Legislation sound be passed that allows anybody to punch anyone else smoking in the face at any time.

Charlie19 · 18-12-2014 2:27pm

I only smoke in the car when I'm full of booze.

osarusan · 18-12-2014 2:28pm

Good law. It would be great to see it enforced.

seamus · 18-12-2014 2:29pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

But my child loves his smokes...

I changed the title of my thread and now your post isn't as funny, mwuhahahaha

c_man · 18-12-2014 2:36pm

whiskeyman wrote: »

But my child loves his smokes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4c_wI6kQyE

smash · 18-12-2014 2:37pm

Good. I see people do it all the time, without even opening a window either. Why can't they just wait 10-15 minutes until they get to their destination?

DoYouEvenLift · 18-12-2014 2:39pm

Few years ago a girl in my course who was a heavy smoker got pregnant. About 2 or 3 months in she was still smoking at least a couple of fags a day, this was just while on lunch. I never said anything, neither did anyone else...her body, her choice and all that.

smash wrote: »

Good. I see people do it all the time, without even opening a window either. Why can't they just wait 10-15 minutes until they get to their destination?

Because they're weak-willed losers.

smash · 18-12-2014 2:41pm

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Few years ago a girl in my course who was a heavy smoker got pregnant. About 2 or 3 months in she was still smoking at least a couple of fags a day, this was just while on lunch. I never said anything, neither did anyone else...her body, her choice and all that.

That's a different discussion than people smoking in a car while there are children in it.

Ctrl Alt Delete · 18-12-2014 2:46pm

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Because they're weak-willed losers.

Personally I'd go with addicts.

Great law, but will never be enforced and I can imagine the amount of rows it will cause at the roadside as well when the typical Irish smart arse does their filthy look, tut and says "thats illegal you know".

Cue aforementioned smart arse getting up ended by agitated smoker

TwoShedsJackson · 18-12-2014 2:54pm

smash wrote: »

That's a different discussion than people smoking in a car while there are children in it.

Well in this case the woman is the car and the child is in her. And the child can't even roll down a window..

ScumLord · 18-12-2014 2:54pm

What you could do is give the child the fag and then take in his second hand smoke. There's no law against that.

syklops · 18-12-2014 2:54pm

mike_ie wrote: »

A law that's actually grounded in common sense for a change - I'm all for it. Just wish it had been in place when I was a kid.

Shame its almost impossible to enforce.

smash · 18-12-2014 2:55pm

ScumLord wrote: »

What you could do is give the child the fag and then take in his second hand smoke. There's no law against that.

What about the over 18 years old to smoke law?

end of the road · 18-12-2014 2:56pm

a waste of time money and resources. we can't afford such a law

ScumLord · 18-12-2014 2:57pm

smash wrote: »

What about the over 18 years old to smoke law?

Is that a law? the only law I've heard of is that it's illegal to sell cigarettes to children. I see young kids smoking everyday in plain sight after school and the guards have never said anything to them.

Ctrl Alt Delete · 18-12-2014 2:58pm

And besides Judge it wasnt a smoke it was one of those ecigarettes.

Tenner bets gob****es in FG havent thought of that one

smash · 18-12-2014 3:00pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Is that a law? the only law I've heard of is that it's illegal to sell cigarettes to children. I see young kids smoking everyday in plain sight after school and the guards have never said anything to them.

Not sure. Is it not like the drinking laws where it's illegal to sell to or provide to under 18's? I've never seen a cop confiscate a pack of smokes though...

DoYouEvenLift · 18-12-2014 3:01pm

I'd also like to see the age to buy fags raised from 18 to 21.

smash · 18-12-2014 3:14pm

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

I'd also like to see the age to buy fags raised from 18 to 21.

That'd would be daft. Increasing the age limit doesn't decrease the problem. Look at other European countries where it's 16 to smoke and drink, or 14 to drive a motorbike up to 50cc. They give their youth some responsibility and they appreciate it and don't abuse it. In Ireland if someone says no, it makes people want it more. Just look at queues outside any off licence on holy Thursday.

hardCopy · 18-12-2014 3:20pm

end of the road wrote: »

a waste of time money and resources. we can't afford such a law

Sure it'll cost nothing to not enforce it.

Sam Mac · 18-12-2014 3:28pm

syklops wrote: »

Shame its almost impossible to enforce.

Especially with the Gardai, who are beyond useless.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 18-12-2014 4:07pm

I wonder how many people in this thread have posted a comment in the OP's link.

mikom · 18-12-2014 4:27pm

Where is the law against the smoke coming from my young lads diaper as I drive along.

Summer wind · 18-12-2014 4:34pm

Great news. Forcing a child to inhale your second hand smoke is disgusting.

My name is URL · 18-12-2014 4:41pm

How do they plan on enforcing this in any sort of effective way?

AndonHandon · 18-12-2014 4:46pm

My name is URL wrote: »

How do they plan on enforcing this in any sort of effective way?

Reasonable suspicion, smell of smoke in the car; on the spot fine or else a day in court.

Micky Dolenz · 18-12-2014 4:47pm

My name is URL wrote: »

How do they plan on enforcing this in any sort of effective way?

Probably the same as use of phone, if a Garda sees you doing it and could be bothered to pull you up on it.

My name is URL · 18-12-2014 4:48pm

AndonHandon wrote: »

Reasonable suspicion, smell of smoke in the car; on the spot fine or else a day in court.

Doubt that very much tbh. If you're a smoker you're gonna smell of smoke whether you've been smoking in the car or outside of it.

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Probably the same as use of phone, if a Garda sees you doing it and could be bothered to pull you up on it.

Well this is it, can anyone honestly envisage gardai being bothered? They have enough to be at already without being on the lookout for people smoking in cars and then having to ascertain whether there's a child in the car or not!

Maybe making it law will put people off smoking in the car with kids but in reality it's totally unenforceable.

ScumLord · 18-12-2014 4:54pm

My name is URL wrote: »

How do they plan on enforcing this in any sort of effective way?

They plan on turning peoples children into informants. Turning son against father, it'll be like the civil war all over again.

Micky Dolenz · 18-12-2014 4:56pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Well this is it, can anyone honestly envisage gardai being bothered? They have enough to be at already without being on the lookout for people smoking in cars and then having to ascertain whether there's a child in the car or not!

Maybe making it law will put people off smoking in the car with kids but in reality it's totally unenforceable.

Well, you could say the same about seat belt wearing or restraining children in a safe manner. The message eventually got through.

SMJSF · 18-12-2014 5:24pm

there's no difference if the parent/s smoke in their own house that they paid for, than smoking in the car! The child is still "exposed" to it, so doesn't make sense TBH!

GarIT · 18-12-2014 5:27pm

SMJSF wrote: »

there's no difference if the parent/s smoke in their own house that they paid for, than smoking in the car! The child is still "exposed" to it, so doesn't make sense TBH!

Cars have much poorer ventilation and are a smaller space than a house.

daukey34 · 18-12-2014 5:27pm

gud

ScumLord · 18-12-2014 5:42pm

GarIT wrote: »

Cars have much poorer ventilation and are a smaller space than a house.

Unless the window is open a little. Smoking with the window open just a crack literally sucks the smoke out of the car if the fag is in the hand next to the window. With the air on in the car I would guess you can pressurise the car so that air is pushed in through the vents and then out through the cracked window beside the cigarette. In a house the smoke just stagnates because there's little to no airflow in a modern house.

GarIT · 18-12-2014 5:45pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Unless the window is open a little. Smoking with the window open just a crack literally sucks the smoke out of the car if the fag is in the hand next to the window. With the air on in the car I would guess you can pressurise the car so that air is pushed in through the vents and then out through the cracked window beside the cigarette. In a house the smoke just stagnates because there's little to no airflow in a modern house.

True, but as hard as no smoking in a car with a child present is to legislate for, no smoking in a car with a child unless the window is open would be even more difficult.

Smoke doesn't stay in a cluster either, it disperses, the volume of an average room is much bigger than the volume of a car. Even a 6ft x 6ft box room has about 7-10 times more air than a car, so the intensity if the second hand smoke would be 90% less.

If we could legislate for houses with children we probably would too.

Smoking while a child is in the car is about to become illegal

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