Should RTE shutdown a couple of TV stations ?

Radio_Fan_67

I think so. Closing down RTE Junior, RTE News now and RTE One +1 would save about 2 million Euro per year. These stations have a tiny viewership and no revenue. They could enhance RTE Junior on RTE Two and even have TRTE on RTE 1 at breakfast time.

Kevin McCloud

I disagree with you on closing down rte+1. The +1 is handy if you miss the start of a programme and can view it an hour later. Not everyone has their life institutionalised by having their sky plus boxes all set up for recording.

Elmo

RTÉjr gives an Irish choice to an otherwise largely English/American set of children's programming. To recoup there money they could be given the go ahead to drop it from RTÉ2.

RTÉ News Now could be better but in its current format I agree RTÉ would save by dropping the service from broadcast platforms. More of a schedule could improve it or making it part of RTÉ Aertel as a Red Button type service.

RTÉjr/RTÉ ONE +1 has about 0.6% share of the audience. Unlikely that RTÉ ONE +1 will ever get any more but It should either become the RTÉ Plus channel as suggested or it should become 24hours.

News Now would get more viewers if they moved all the news/current affairs programmes to it. Then maybe they could advertise on it too. Any major current affairs events like elections or a big announcement in the Dail where RTE cover live are put both on RTE 1 and News Now. News Now has nothing extra therefore it is practically obsolete. Handy maybe if you want to get news headlines at some random time of the day

Grab All Association

Rte News Now should be 9am-12:30am live
Rte One needs a breakfast show with news something like BBC breakfast.
Rte One+1 should be 24hr
Rte 2 should drop the childrens programming cater for 18+
Rte Junior. Name change. Cater for all ages 1-17

AwaitYourReply

Chris___ wrote: »

Rte News Now should be 9am-12:30am live
Rte One needs a breakfast show with news something like BBC breakfast.
Rte One+1 should be 24hr
Rte 2 should drop the childrens programming cater for 18+
Rte Junior. Name change. Cater for all ages 1-17

Here would be my suggestions:

RTÉ News Now needs to have much more live output and less of the constant repeat loops especially during the hours of 8:00am - 12Midnight. We should have a proper news & current affairs service from our national public service broadcaster. Perhaps if RTÉ was permitted to air some advertisements it would help with the funding of this channel.

RTÉ One at Breakfast Time - Given that they could NOT afford to keep Morning Edition @09:00am with Keelin Shanley & Co. running, I'm not sure they will want to rush down this road before 09:00am as they may be worried they may lose alot of listeners from Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1.

RTÉ One +1 Channel should close down due to very low audience figures

RTÉ Junior should close. RTÉ are not permitted to air any advertising on this channel either as far as I know. It is not very dynamic from what I have seen at times. Programmes for the youth should move/remain on RTÉ 2 morning/afternoons

Elmo

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RTÉ Junior should close. RTÉ are not permitted to air any advertising on this channel either as far as I know. It is not very dynamic from what I have seen at times. Programmes for the youth should move/remain on RTÉ 2 morning/afternoons

RTÉ stop showing advertising on programming for the Under 6's in the mid-1990s, an hour of The Den, in the Late 1990s to 2009 Den Tot's and now RTÉjr.

I don't know how dynamic you want RTÉjr to be as an Under 6s service, it invests some money in animated products which can be then sold internationally, working with BBC Worldwide and other broadcasters on co-pros. Though they could do alot more IMO.

RTÉ never intended RTÉjr to have advertising, however they did plan to replace the strand on RTÉ2 with a strand that could have advertising, to which TV3 complained.

Sam Russell

The minister appears to have acquired the rights to veto anything RTE would wish to do. The BAI appear to have acquired the rights to veto anything that does not favor TV3. RTE appear to have lost the rights to make commercial decisions.

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Sam Russell wrote: »

The minister appears to have acquired the rights to veto anything RTE would wish to do. The BAI appear to have acquired the rights to veto anything that does not favor TV3. RTE appear to have lost the rights to make commercial decisions.

The Minister for Communications always had a veto on major RTÉ broadcasting decisions down through the ages. I recall this was often said when people complained in the old days to RTÉ when Radio 2FM used close down nightly after Night Train at 01:50am or regarding requests for approval for an extension of broadcasting hours for the old RTÉ Radio Cork (aka RTÉ Cork Local Radio) service on 89FM.

In the early days of competition the original body (the IRTC) was put in place to issue TV & Radio licences for the independent commercial sector and this body used only be able to regulate the independent tv/radio sector as the RTÉ Authority used still look after the national broadcaster and had little or no dealings with the then IRTC. However; I think all this has since changed in the intervening years although the Minister for Communications still has a lot of influence in such matters as we saw recently in the way UTV Ireland was facilitated to enable their carriage (albeit only in SD format for now) on the Saorview platform.

I imagine the independent commercial stations were unhappy when RTÉ as such a dominant player was permitted to add more TV & Radio channels in recent years as they were concerned that RTÉ would have additional revenue streams generated through an increase in advertising so; the Minister for Communications issued heavy restrictions in relation to the new digital tv & radio services launched. Maybe the Minister should have allowed the commercial independent to run these services and allow them the advertising options thus not forcing RTÉ to incur such costs.

Elmo

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I imagine the independent commercial stations were unhappy when RTÉ as such a dominant player was permitted to add more TV & Radio channels in recent years as they were concerned that RTÉ would have additional revenue streams generated through an increase in advertising so; the Minister for Communications issued heavy restrictions in relation to the new digital tv & radio services launched. Maybe the Minister should have allowed the commercial independent to run these services and allow them the advertising options thus not forcing RTÉ to incur such costs.

The Minister and the BAI both called for Expression of Interest for new broadcasters of the existing broadcasters to submit Expressions non where from any local or national radio service, not even to put their service on Saorview at the very least.

TV3 have the oppertunity to put TV3+1 on Saorview if they so wish, they could also put up their suggested new Children's and Classics channel. Nothing stopping anyone using such service they are all just happy to float along.

Also a reason for RTÉ not going 24/7 on either TV or Radio until the mid-90s was due to the cap on advertising, meaning that extending hours would not have brought in more revenue only cost money to run.

December2012

Rte jr is the best children's tv station there is. It has a fantastic range of shows, not all just carbon copies of British or American shows.

It shows Irish children of all ethnicities and heritages doing things normal kids do.

And you can't have a range of shows from 1 to 17. The dynamics are completely different.

icdg

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The Minister for Communications always had a veto on major RTÉ broadcasting decisions down through the ages. .

They were the licensing authority for RTÉ for most of its history. They lost that power when the Director of Telecommunications Regulation (now Comreg) was set up but section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009 has effectively given control back to the Minister. Personally I'm of the view that it gives too much political control over RTÉ's programme schedule.

Radio_Fan_67

December2012 wrote: »

Rte jr is the best children's tv station there is. It has a fantastic range of shows, not all just carbon copies of British or American shows.

It shows Irish children of all ethnicities and heritages doing things normal kids do.

It maybe but it already takes up many hours of the day on RTE2 so it should be fully moved back to rte2. TRTE should be scaled back as most of it's output is out of date imports.

AwaitYourReply

Elmo wrote: »

The Minister and the BAI both called for Expression of Interest for new broadcasters of the existing broadcasters to submit Expressions non where from any local or national radio service, not even to put their service on Saorview at the very least.

TV3 have the oppertunity to put TV3+1 on Saorview if they so wish, they could also put up their suggested new Children's and Classics channel. Nothing stopping anyone using such service they are all just happy to float along.

Also a reason for RTÉ not going 24/7 on either TV or Radio until the mid-90s was due to the cap on advertising, meaning that extending hours would not have brought in more revenue only cost money to run.

I do not follow what you meant in your 1st paragraph.

TV3 are hardly going to add any more services such as TV3+1 on the Saorview platform while they are currently in a bitter dispute with 2RN over legacy carriage fees. Saorview may be a free to view system once you have the appropriate equipment to receive and access to it's signal however; I suspect that each TV channel is required to pay certain fees to have their services transmitted on the Saorview platform (Irish Digital Terrestrial Television). Hence the reason why the Oireachtas TV channel has yet to be officially added to Saorview. I understand that it was briefly testing on Saorview Channel 17 but this has since been switched off and there is no word about it being added to date even though this channel is already available to view on UPC, Sky Digital (Ireland) and Online but not on Saorview as of yet.

I appreciate that RTÉ television & radio had their reasons for not going 24/7 until the mid-late '90s. You may be aware that RTÉ are still quite restricted compared to the independent commercial tv stations in the maximum number of minutes per hour that they are permitted to broadcast commercial advertising. In addition to this, many of the digital RTÉ tv & radio stations are not allowed to air any advertising such as RTÉ News Now, RTÉjr, RTÉ Gold, RTÉ 2XM, RTÉ Pulse etc;

Elmo

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I do not follow what you meant in your 1st paragraph.

In 2011 The Minister asked the BAI to call on Expressions of Interest into the provision of services on Saorview. The BAI received Expressions from TV3, TG4, Community TV, OTV and IFB Channel (however I suspect that TG4, OTV and IFB Channel were all asked to put forward suggestions, since the response was so poor, I imagine that TV3 were also asked to put something forward TV3+1 was one such suggestion). None of the Independent radio providers put forward expression of interest, including UTV at the time. The other expression of interest came from different individuals, of which 3 or so were for radio services. The BAI contacted none of the people who put forward EoIs to them when the published their report into the EoIs.

My point being if any of the Radio stations wanted to set up a new TV service they could and also go on Saorview as radio services, just as UTV have. IMO UTV are putting far too much money into their service, but time will tell.

Most of the people employed by the state have no interest in Broadcasting. They have no backbone and imho they are incompetent.

TV3 and 2RN need to postpone any lawsuits and allow for TV3+1, which I give a year unless it gets on another platform. RTÉ ONE +1 only has 0.5% on 2 platforms, TV3+1 will be lucky to get 0.2%, will it even be worth getting TAMIreland ratings for it?

Advertising on the additional radio services is allowed only RTÉ aren't willing to get them on JNLR, that's partly to keep the IBI happy IMO.

AwaitYourReply

You may or may not be aware that TV3+1 time-shift channel already launched on UPC Horizon digital cable TV platform earlier this month. For those who subscribe to the UPC service it is on Channel No: 119 on the EPG.

TG4(HD) in High Definition format is another exclusive service for UPC on Channel No: 137 on the EPG

icdg

I see no mention of the letters RTE in that post above...

AwaitYourReply

RTÉ News Now needs to have much more live output and less of the constant repeat loops especially during the hours of 8:00am - 12Midnight. We should have a proper news & current affairs service from our national public service broadcaster. Perhaps if RTÉ was permitted to air some advertisements it would help with the funding of this channel.

RTÉ One at Breakfast Time - Given that they could NOT afford to keep Morning Edition @09:00am with Keelin Shanley & Co. running, I'm not sure they will want to rush down this road before 09:00am as they may be worried they may lose alot of listeners from Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1.

RTÉ One +1 Channel should close down due to very low audience figures

RTÉ Junior should close. RTÉ are not permitted to air any advertising on this channel either as far as I know. It is not very dynamic from what I have seen at times. Programmes for the youth should move/remain on RTÉ 2 morning/afternoons

Elmo

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RTÉ News Now needs to have much more live output and less of the constant repeat loops especially during the hours of 8:00am - 12Midnight. We should have a proper news & current affairs service from our national public service broadcaster. Perhaps if RTÉ was permitted to air some advertisements it would help with the funding of this channel.

I'd agree but they could do without much funding by repeating news type shows from other programming strands. It doesn't make sence not to repeat Ear To The Ground, The Works, Soccer Republic etc or use reports from those shows on RTÉ News Now.

RTÉ One at Breakfast Time - Given that they could NOT afford to keep Morning Edition @09:00am with Keelin Shanley & Co. running, I'm not sure they will want to rush down this road before 09:00am as they may be worried they may lose alot of listeners from Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1.

Largely people won't switch on the TV, Irish audiences at 8 to 10 average around 200,000 viewers (TV3 get 50,000 of these). The average audience for Morning Ireland is more than twice as big as the average audience for TV alone. RTÉ News Now would not grab viewers from Radio.

RTÉ One +1 Channel should close down due to very low audience figures

For a +1 channel 0.5% is quite good. I'd like to see it become a mix channel that would both suit a national and an international audience, thus killing two birds with one stone.

RTÉ Junior should close. RTÉ are not permitted to air any advertising on this channel either as far as I know. It is not very dynamic from what I have seen at times. Programmes for the youth should move/remain on RTÉ 2 morning/afternoons

It took the ministers 15 months not to make a decision on the move of RTÉjr programming from RTÉ 2, such a closure won't happen as former Minister for Communications Pat Rabbitte said in the Dail "soon".

brick man

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RTÉ News Now needs to have much more live output and less of the constant repeat loops especially during the hours of 8:00am - 12Midnight. We should have a proper news & current affairs service from our national public service broadcaster. Perhaps if RTÉ was permitted to air some advertisements it would help with the funding of this channel.

RTÉ One at Breakfast Time - Given that they could NOT afford to keep Morning Edition @09:00am with Keelin Shanley & Co. running, I'm not sure they will want to rush down this road before 09:00am as they may be worried they may lose alot of listeners from Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio 1.

RTÉ One +1 Channel should close down due to very low audience figures

RTÉ Junior should close. RTÉ are not permitted to air any advertising on this channel either as far as I know. It is not very dynamic from what I have seen at times. Programmes for the youth should move/remain on RTÉ 2 morning/afternoons

RTEjr is a valuable channel in my house the kids love the programmes on it and it is only right that we have a channel in Ireland for kids which is free from ads putting pressure on people in hard times and RTE made it clear that this channel was to have no advertising from day one.
Regarding News Now the BAI recommended to the minister at the time against advertising incase it would hurt of all channels Sky news and the papers . Now when you have that type of agenda what hope do RTE have.
Is worth also noting that RTE made a profit of about 1 Million in 2013 then the Govt cut 5 Million from them putting them in serious bother this present year . Therefore it is hard for them to improve news now with no money.
As for RTE1+1 its audience do compare well with other +1 channels and it is not on the Sky platform yet and only broadcasts 6 to 7 hours per day.

Elmo

brick man wrote: »

Is worth also noting that RTE made a profit of about 1 Million in 2013 then the Govt cut 5 Million from them putting them in serious bother this present year . Therefore it is hard for them to improve news now with no money.
As for RTE1+1 its audience do compare well with other +1 channels and it is not on the Sky platform yet and only broadcasts 6 to 7 hours per day.

News Now could run RTÉ News reports like EuroNews with Idents at the beginning and end of each section of bulletins e.g. NEWS, SPORT, WEATHER. They could show news feed followed by a repeat Prime Time after Six One followed by News Feed and a sports news programme like Soccer Republic rather than 2 repeats of Six One. Neither option breaks the bank.

If BBC have their way BBC 3 will be replaced by BBC1+1 and an extra hour of CBBC. Do you think BBC 1+1 will be available on Sky even though it only starts at 8PM each night? Though You are right RTÉ1+1 is the Number 1 +1 channel.

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brick man wrote: »

RTEjr is a valuable channel in my house the kids love the programmes on it and it is only right that we have a channel in Ireland for kids which is free from ads putting pressure on people in hard times and RTE made it clear that this channel was to have no advertising from day one.
Regarding News Now the BAI recommended to the minister at the time against advertising incase it would hurt of all channels Sky news and the papers . Now when you have that type of agenda what hope do RTE have.
Is worth also noting that RTE made a profit of about 1 Million in 2013 then the Govt cut 5 Million from them putting them in serious bother this present year . Therefore it is hard for them to improve news now with no money.
As for RTE1+1 its audience do compare well with other +1 channels and it is not on the Sky platform yet and only broadcasts 6 to 7 hours per day.

Funny you mention the kids in your house and their viewing habits - I do a lot of child minding some days at my sister's house and their ages: 8½, 5½ and 3¾ years old respectively and they do not seem to choose RTÉjr or RTÉ2 to see kids programmes very often. They would subscribe to Sky Digital satellite tv so they have wide choice of kids channels in comparison to some families out there. They prefer either a children's themed DVD or one of the other channels especially CBeebies (which has no advertising too like CBBC), Disney Junior and Nickelodeon. I would sometimes switch over to RTÉjr but I will often be told "I do not like that!"

I would be astonished if the BAI told RTÉ that they could not have advertising in case it hurt Sky News of all channels. I was under the impression that the BAI did not want to hurt the other Irish terrestrial tv channels particularly the commercial independent stations such as TV3, TG4, 3e etc; Sky News along with many other satellite tv channels like Sky One etc; have separate commercial breaks targeted at advertisers and viewers in the Republic which are often referred to as "Irish opt-outs" but they usually do not air any indigenous Irish programming. This practice is probably doing serious damage to other Irish channels and should be regulated so that such opt-outs be required to make and broadcast shows aimed specifically for an Irish audience. Sky News Ireland once upon a time (in the mid-noughties) had TWO 30 minute Irish news bulletins on weekday evenings (Mon-Fri) but axed Irish news shows closed this all down after a relatively short period. Had they been required to keep a minimum % of unique Irish material broadcast for an Irish audience in order to be permitted to run Irish opt-out advertising maybe this would have been wise move by the BAI.

As for RTÉ One+1, I wonder what is the overall cost of running this timeshift channel versus the ratings? Can they justify it? Would it's ratings improve further if this went 24hrs instead of from 7:00pm?

In relation to profits made at RTÉ only to be followed by major government cutbacks...I gotta say that RTÉ have not always been consistent when it comes to costs and value for the taxpayer subvention by way of TV Licence. You only have to look at the rather high salaries paid for some of their so called "star personalities" and now we have the whole controversy over Ray D'Arcy being poached from Today fm and we all know that he is one of the station's big rating stars so he hardly came at a bargain basement rate - We'll have to wait for 3 Years to hear how much RTÉ agreed to pay him! Then we have had 2 presenters on Winning Streak in more recent years while one previously had been adequate and the basic formula had not changed to warrant 2 presenters. I'm sure this is only the tip of the iceberg of wastage.

Elmo

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Funny you mention the kids in your house and their viewing habits - I do a lot of child minding some days at my sister's house and their ages: 8½, 5½ and 3¾ years old respectively and they do not seem to choose RTÉjr or RTÉ2 to see kids programmes very often. They would subscribe to Sky Digital satellite tv so they have wide choice of kids channels in comparison to some families out there. They prefer either a children's themed DVD or one of the other channels especially CBeebies (which has no advertising too like CBBC), Disney Junior and Nickelodeon. I would sometimes switch over to RTÉjr but I will often be told "I do not like that!"

Funny you should say that.... My sister's younger kids under 6 all know RTÉjr and its brand and like it.

An 8 year old is a bit old for RTÉjr, but I agree TRTÉ should be over hauled.

I would be astonished if the BAI told RTÉ that they could not have advertising in case it hurt Sky News of all channels.

They slightly hinted to it in their report to the Minister. Again RTÉ News Now was never going have advertising for the inital Phase 1, it wasn't allowed for any other phase, I also believe the cost of running the channel was capped. Put as my other post points out they have plently that they could show in prime time.

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Elmo wrote: »

Funny you should say that.... My sister's younger kids under 6 all know RTÉjr and its brand and like it.

An 8 year old is a bit old for RTÉjr, but I agree TRTÉ should be over hauled.

They slightly hinted to it in their report to the Minister. Again RTÉ News Now was never going have advertising for the inital Phase 1, it wasn't allowed for any other phase, I also believe the cost of running the channel was capped. Put as my other post points out they have plently that they could show in prime time.

I suppose if plenty of kids around the country like RTÉjr and watch it in it's current format then who am I to expect it to change - it was just my own observations as I was not sure if this was a common perception. I presume that TRTÉ is a similar kids tv age bracket to the likes of CBBC or CITV as I have rarely seen it's offering.

With regards to RTÉ News Now, I just wonder where they would really like to take it. How would they describe the channel and it's aims? I just wonder do enough of the Irish TV viewing public regard it as a "must watch it" source of visual news or is it a last resort after Sky News, BBC News, Euronews, CNN etc; The set backdrop looks too static for me and I will go faster to an Online newspaper source as I find RTÉ and TV3 not always updating important news stories in a prompt fashion especially if it is during unsociable hours as news happens 24/7. I've also noticed that all late evening news bulletins for both RTÉ One and RTÉ 2 TV now air live at 11:00pm only on RTÉ News Now although, they still seem to feel it necessary to broadcast "Late News Extra" after The Late Late Show on RTÉ One on Friday nights.

Charlie19

Is there any chance they could buy TV3 just to shut that shyte down.

Elmo

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With regards to RTÉ News Now, I just wonder where they would really like to take it. How would they describe the channel and it's aims? I just wonder do enough of the Irish TV viewing public regard it as a "must watch it" source of visual news or is it a last resort after Sky News, BBC News, Euronews, CNN etc; The set backdrop looks too static for me and I will go faster to an Online newspaper source as I find RTÉ and TV3 not always updating important news stories in a prompt fashion especially if it is during unsociable hours as news happens 24/7. I've also noticed that all late evening news bulletins for both RTÉ One and RTÉ 2 TV now air live at 11:00pm only on RTÉ News Now although, they still seem to feel it necessary to broadcast "Late News Extra" after The Late Late Show on RTÉ One on Friday nights.

According to their Strategic Strategy the want to see RTÉ NEWS NOW to be Ireland's leading 24-hour news and current affairs channel! But only as a complementry channel to the 2 main channels.

Goes on to say that it wants more live bulletins and breaking news stories and increases in proportion of live news.

IMO I look at rte.ie for news and the news now app don't really watch news channels, mainly read news from different news website largely from broadcasters, publishers and radio stations. TV3 really need to improve their web offering on that front. I sometimes pass by News programmes and may watch a current affairs programme but that's just me.

RTÉ basically moved the 11pm RTÉ News on TWO to RTÉ News Now. RTÉ One always had news extra and this remains, The news after The Late Late Show was basically a schedule change of RTÉ News on TWO to RTÉ ONE on Friday Night.

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Elmo wrote: »

According to their Strategic Strategy the want to see RTÉ NEWS NOW to be Ireland's leading 24-hour news and current affairs channel! But only as a complementry channel to the 2 main channels.

Goes on to say that it wants more live bulletins and breaking news stories and increases in proportion of live news.

IMO I look at rte.ie for news and the news now app don't really watch news channels, mainly read news from different news website largely from broadcasters, publishers and radio stations. TV3 really need to improve their web offering on that front. I sometimes pass by News programmes and may watch a current affairs programme but that's just me.

RTÉ basically moved the 11pm RTÉ News on TWO to RTÉ News Now. RTÉ One always had news extra and this remains, The news after The Late Late Show was basically a schedule change of RTÉ News on TWO to RTÉ ONE on Friday Night.

I think their Strategic Strategy is too self-serving towards RTÉ and should not only complement RTE TV as they currently aim but also Ireland and Irish life as a whole as well and it's changing habits and needs. They need to bring studio presentation to life as the studio set and backdrop is very unimpressive and while refreshing the graphics design was an improvement it still needs an injection of a busy news gathering atmosphere even if it is occasionally. Right now it conveys the same pace the whole time!

I find the Online newspaper web sites are often faster or else more detailed sooner with news about Ireland than RTÉ.ie The news service from TV3 after 6:00pm is totally unsatisfactory and I was annoyed when they axed their Sat+Sun+Bank Holiday 5:30pm news programmes. UTV Ireland could hurt TV3 on this front too unless they sort it out.

RTÉ One would have always had "Late News" just the headlines and weather forecast each night . In the days of RTÉ Network 2 (later N2) you had "Network News" on the channel on weeknights Mon-Thurs inclusive only and I think there was some reason why Network News on Network 2 used not broadcast on Friday nights (If I'm not mistaken it may have been a trade union issue as I seem to recall something along that line) so; they ran "Late News Extra" which included vt reports on RTÉ One rather than the usual Late News headlines on Friday nights only. The same seems to have applied to this day as I do not believe there was ever RTÉ News on TWO on the Friday nights.

Elmo

I think they are using the term complimentary in terms of an ancillary service. The set could change with the new graphics as was supposed to be the case when the got it way back in 09.

Re late news the Friday night news on one was always longer then the bulletin Monday to Friday on one at least since news2

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Elmo wrote: »

I think they are using the term complimentary in terms of an ancillary service. The set could change with the new graphics as was supposed to be the case when the got it way back in 09.

Re late news the Friday night news on one was always longer then the bulletin Monday to Friday on one at least since news2

If you saw the real actual size of the RTÉ Studio Newsroom you would be shocked as it is very deceiving on screen and is quite small in reality. I saw a screenshot of it and was amazed at how cramped it seemed.

The Friday night "Late News Extra" is a weird one - I believe all to do with the usual Mon-Thurs News on 2/Network News would never be broadcast on RTÉ 2/Network 2 channel on the Fridays no matter what happened in terms of major news events in Ireland or Rest of World - you were only getting "Late News Extra" on RTÉ One after The Late Late Show.

At one time Gay Byrne as presenter & producer had the authority to extend The Late Late Show on certain occasions for an additional 20-25mins if he felt it warranted it on the night and this was called "Late Late Extra" but this was only sometimes done. I think this is where the "Late News Extra" name came in as they both first happened around the same time.

Please RTÉ either close RTÉ News Now unless it is overhauled and resembles a rolling live news/documentaries channel. Give it the kiss of life as it can be very stale and repetitive in it's current format after a while. Let's show the other broadcasters that you can do it well even on a modest budget if you have more imagination and creativity. Sometimes they need to think more outside the box.

irishfeen

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If you saw the real actual size of the RTÉ Studio Newsroom you would be shocked as it is very deceiving on screen and is quite small in reality. I saw a screenshot of it and was amazed at how cramped it seemed.

The Friday night "Late News Extra" is a weird one - I believe all to do with the usual Mon-Thurs News on 2/Network News would never be broadcast on RTÉ 2/Network 2 channel on the Fridays no matter what happened in terms of major news events in Ireland or Rest of World - you were only getting "Late News Extra" on RTÉ One after The Late Late Show.

At one time Gay Byrne as presenter & producer had the authority to extend The Late Late Show on certain occasions for an additional 20-25mins if he felt it warranted it on the night and this was called "Late Late Extra" but this was only sometimes done. I think this is where the "Late News Extra" name came in as they both first happened around the same time.

Please RTÉ either close RTÉ News Now unless it is overhauled and resembles a rolling live news/documentaries channel. Give it the kiss of life as it can be very stale and repetitive in it's current format after a while. Let's show the other broadcasters that you can do it well even on a modest budget if you have more imagination and creativity. Sometimes they need to think more outside the box.

You honestly can't blame RTÉ from being mightily pissed over RTÉ News Now - how in the name of god can they possibly run a news services when government ministers refuse them from generating advertisement revenue from it? Its absolutely ridiculous - Its simple the BAI should ask for submissions from all Broadcasters for a 24hr news service, if the rest pass up then RTÉ should have free reign to do whatever they want to make RNN a success.

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irishfeen wrote: »

You honestly can't blame RTÉ from being mightily pissed over RTÉ News Now - how in the name of god can they possibly run a news services when government ministers refuse them from generating advertisement revenue from it? Its absolutely ridiculous - Its simple the BAI should ask for submissions from all Broadcasters for a 24hr news service, if the rest pass up then RTÉ should have free reign to do whatever they want to make RNN a success.

I would agree with your sentiments expressed in relation to the ability to accept advertising on the RTÉ News Now channel and seek expressions of interest from all parties concerned with regards to the running of a 24hr TV news channel from an Irish perspective.

That said, I would not necessarily allow RTÉ or Any Other Broadcaster for that matter to have a free reign even if nobody else applies or if their application is deemed unsuitable. The terms of any such licence would need to be outlined in advance and then adhered to if such a licence is granted.

Elmo

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I would agree with your sentiments expressed in relation to the ability to accept advertising on the RTÉ News Now channel and seek expressions of interest from all parties concerned with regards to the running of a 24hr TV news channel from an Irish perspective.

That said, I would not necessarily allow RTÉ or Any Other Broadcaster for that matter to have a free reign even if nobody else applies or if their application is deemed unsuitable. The terms of any such licence would need to be outlined in advance and then adhered to if such a licence is granted.

The BAI could seek to issue a licence for a 24 Hour News Service. If only RTÉ apply then it should be given to RTÉ. If the rest complain then the BAI just point out how they didn't receive any other applications simple as.

lertsnim

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

Please RTÉ either close RTÉ News Now unless it is overhauled and resembles a rolling live news/documentaries channel.

They certainly wont be shutting it down as they use it in its current guise online for an international audience who want Irish news

Elmo

lertsnim wrote: »

They certainly wont be shutting it down as they use it in its current guise online for an international audience who want Irish news

Does not suit with time difference and EuroNews

lertsnim

Elmo wrote: »

Does not suit with time difference and EuroNews

?

AwaitYourReply

lertsnim wrote: »

They certainly wont be shutting it down as they use it in its current guise online for an international audience who want Irish news

That could still be done Online - any possible shut down of RTÉ News Now in the future going out as a 24/7 terrestrial TV channel would not necessarily prevent an international audience from viewing regular visual news updates streamed to them via website: www.rte.ie/news . BBC World News TV do regular updates via the bbc website and TV3.ie have also done regular news bulletins for Online viewers in the past.

If they did decide to close it down because of a lack of funding/revenue preventing them from developing it into a more credible live 24/7 news source then I'm sure it would be considered along with everything else at RTÉ.

Elmo

lertsnim wrote: »

?

Why would an international audience tune to RTÉ News Now for EuroNews?

lertsnim

Elmo wrote: »

Why would an international audience tune to RTÉ News Now for EuroNews?

I never suggested that they would.

Elmo

lertsnim wrote: »

I never suggested that they would.

So why does RTÉ news now show it?

lertsnim

Elmo wrote: »

So why does RTÉ news now show it?

Maybe RTÉ might be able to tell you the answer to that one.

jimmymorrison2

Radio_Fan_67 wrote: »

I think so. Closing down RTE Junior, RTE News now and RTE One +1 would save about 2 million Euro per year. These stations have a tiny viewership and no revenue. They could enhance RTE Junior on RTE Two and even have TRTE on RTE 1 at breakfast time.

RTE+1 and RTE News now are not "stations".

Whatever about RTE+1 not everyone is home by 6pm on the dot every evening to catch the news.

From BBC to ITV, its all about quantity of channels and repeats, not quality.

Elmo

lertsnim wrote: »

They certainly wont be shutting it down as they use it in its current guise online for an international audience who want Irish news

And EuroNews!

Sam Russell

Euronews is free to RTE so why not fill the blank time with it?

AwaitYourReply

jimmymorrison2 wrote: »

RTE+1 and RTE News now are not "stations".

Whatever about RTE+1 not everyone is home by 6pm on the dot every evening to catch the news.

From BBC to ITV, its all about quantity of channels and repeats, not quality.

If they insist on keeping RTÉ One + 1 they should at least sort out the early nightly close down time as it can be a pain

RTÉ News Now needs to look more alive as it looks too static and safe for much of the time.

Euronews is news from all the various broadcasting members of the EBU (European Broadcasters Union) of which RTÉ is involved in this entity.

BBC and itv have indeed got carried away with multiple channels and time-shift channel versions for itv+1, itv2+1, itv3+1, itv4+1. I don't think latest channel itvbe has a time-shift version as of yet. BBC THREE is expected to become an Online only channel as of Autumn Season 2015 and if that happens it will see the launch of BBC One +1 in it's place on the epg.

That said, BBC can still often screen some top quality material such as nature & wildlife programming from David Attenborough, Wimbledon Tennis Grandslam fortnight, World Snooker Championships, Match of the Day, Top Gear, Doctor Who, some excellent drama mini series, news & current affairs, documentaries, quiz & knowledge based shows and so on. The more high-brow stuff will often appear either on BBC Four or BBC 2.

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

Euronews is free to RTE so why not fill the blank time with it?

Time differences. It doesnt make sence for rte NN to fill up such hours with non irish news.

FRIENDO

It's good to show Euronews, I think RTE as a state broadcaster are a Co owner of the channel also.

Elmo

FRIENDO wrote: »

It's good to show Euronews, I think RTE as a state broadcaster are a Co owner of the channel also.

I think they might have let go of their 1% stake in the channel could be wrong.
It is good to show it but across 3 channels?
Why bother late nights on RTÉ NEWS NOW as it aims to be an Irish service at an international audience?

AwaitYourReply

Elmo wrote: »

I think they might have let go of their 1% stake in the channel could be wrong.
It is good to show it but across 3 channels?
Why bother late nights on RTÉ NEWS NOW as it aims to be an Irish service at an international audience?

If RTÉ News Now channel on Saorview/Online is really aimed at an international audience it seems rather odd that they have not pushed hard enough for it to become available to a wider international audience through a platform like Free-To-Air on digital satellite in a similar way to other news channels: BBC News/Sky News/Euronews/France24/CNN International/CNBC Europe/Bloomberg/Arise News/Al-Jazeera english and so on.

Surely rights is not the stumbling block from it going out to a large audience? Look at IRISH TV on digital satellite free-to-air. RTÉ News Now is not even on an SKY Digital ROI subscription package!

lertsnim

AwaitYourReply wrote: »

RTÉ News Now is not even on an SKY Digital ROI subscription package!

When Sky pays for it I'm sure they'll have it but as it is in sure they're not losing sleep over it not being on their platform

Elmo

This is how RTÉjr can be of benifit to RTÉ

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/pre-school-animation-show-nets-worldwide-distribution-deal-1.2074278

Sam Russell

A good news story from RTE.:)