how long can a poor upbringing be blamed for crime?

Andy From Sligo

Just heard today that a local chemist was broken into the other day - CCTV caught who did it , but... and this could be hearsay, but apparently it is said that the Gard's will not do anything because the person is known to them and is from a 'Disadvantaged family' - now this load of ****e gets on my nerves hearing this all the time and how many times can it be brought up and how many times can a person do a crime and get away with it throwing this up as an excuse - I most probably will get into trouble for mentioning it up on here because i was told this in confidence and told not to put it up on here but it makes me sick and I have to get an idea of what other people think - i mean there are loads of people that come from a disadvantaged family , or a poor family , or a broken family or whatever ... but not all of them get caught up in crime so should it be an excuse these days to get them off the hook?

El Weirdo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Just heard today that a local chemist was broken into the other day - CCTV caught who did it , but... and this could be hearsay, but apparently it is said that the Gard's will not do anything because the person is known to them and is from a 'Disadvantaged family' - now this load of ****e gets on my nerves hearing this all the time and how many times can it be brought up and how many times can a person do a crime and get away with it throwing this up as an excuse - I most probably will get into trouble for mentioning it up on here because i was told this in confidence and told not to put it up on here but it makes me sick and I have to get an idea of what other people think - i mean there are loads of people that come from a disadvantaged family , or a poor family , or a broken family or whatever ... but not all of them get caught up in crime so should it be an excuse these days to get them off the hook?

I think you've been fed a load of bollocks, tbh.

Nib

Don't worry, Andy From Sligo. They'll never know it's you.

Don Kedick

Everyone from Sligo has had a poor upbringing.

Annasopra

So your friend told you something and specifically said dont mention it on AH. And the first thing you do is goto AH.

Turtyturd

What kind of upbringing makes you stick stuff up on a public forum having been told in confidence?


Allegedly.

Banjo String

Andy's post......

now this load of ****e gets on my nerves hearing this all the time and how many times can it be brought up 

Yep, especially on AH, Andy from Sligo.

corner of hells

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Just heard today that a local chemist was broken into the other day - CCTV caught who did it , but... and this could be hearsay, but apparently it is said that the Gard's will not do anything because the person is known to them and is from a 'Disadvantaged family' - now this load of ****e gets on my nerves hearing this all the time and how many times can it be brought up and how many times can a person do a crime and get away with it throwing this up as an excuse - I most probably will get into trouble for mentioning it up on here because i was told this in confidence and told not to put it up on here but it makes me sick and I have to get an idea of what other people think - i mean there are loads of people that come from a disadvantaged family , or a poor family , or a broken family or whatever ... but not all of them get caught up in crime so should it be an excuse these days to get them off the hook?

Ill give a tenner a tray for the zimmos and two euro for each lyrica.

Arsemageddon

Being from a disadvantaged background may be a mitigating factor when a judge is passing sentence on someone who has been convicted of a criminal offence. It has nothing to do with the Gardaí.

But never you mind that Andy, you should just keep believing every bit of ill informed bullsh1t you here from down the pub and keep on posting it up here

Andy From Sligo

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

So your friend told you something and specifically said dont mention it on AH. And the first thing you do is goto AH.

well the mrs was told - and she told me not to tell anyone or gossip about it lol :rolleyes:

Streetwalker

I smell bull****

LucidLife

There is a big difference between law and justice. You could have potentially ruined someone's life by posting here. You could have just bust a Garda op to get them for a more serious crime. You could potentially lose your friend.

You definitely lost respect here

Andy From Sligo

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Being from a disadvantaged background may be a mitigating factor when a judge is passing sentence on someone who has been convicted of a criminal offence. It has nothing to do with the Gardaí.

But never you mind that Andy, you should just keep believing every bit of ill informed bullsh1t you here from down the pub and keep on posting it up here

i didnt hear it down the pub :rolleyes:

but never mind if you want to believe theres no truth in it thats your prerogative....

Turtyturd

And I deal with a lot of these people in work and in 90% of cases it is most likely an excuse but from talking to some/reading through files you do realise that some people never had a chance.

Andy From Sligo

LucidLife wrote: »

There is a big difference between law and justice. You could have potentially ruined someone's life by posting here. You could have just bust a Garda op to get them for a more serious crime. You could potentially lose your friend.

You definitely lost respect here

oh dear im sorry about all that - my mind never thought like that - i was just wondering what other people thought about this wild card being brought up regularly these days - bloody hell shouldnt of bothered ...

Joshua5

does crime happen in Sligo?

LucidLife

And you were definitely sold a sack of sh! T lol. There is no way the Garda plain and simple refuse to investigate because of who they are. Likely scenario is the chemist owner decided to give the alleged perpetrator a break on finding out the real story.you know its this thing called compassion for fellow man and almost everyone has it

SeaDaily

LucidLife wrote: »

There is a big difference between law and justice. You could have potentially ruined someone's life by posting here. You could have just bust a Garda op to get them for a more serious crime. You could potentially lose your friend.

You definitely lost respect here

Bit overly dramatic there now.

Arsemageddon

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

i didnt hear it down the pub :rolleyes:

but never mind if you want to believe theres no truth in it thats your prerogative....

I know there's no truth in it

AgileMyth

Joshua5 wrote: »

does crime happen in Sligo?

This was the first. That's why the gardai didn't know what to do.

Joshua5

AgileMyth wrote: »

This was the first. That's why the gardai didn't know what to do.

I'll read all about it on Waterford whispers so...

LucidLife

SeaDaily wrote: »

Bit overly dramatic there now.

Not at all overly dramatic. I have been in an almost identical situation twice. I know how this works

Arsemageddon

LucidLife wrote: »

Not at all overly dramatic. I have been in an almost identical situation twice. I know how this works

Please do tell.........

LucidLife

Arsemageddon wrote: »

Please do tell.........

Incident one) swap chemist with internet cafe
incident two) swap chemist with local shop

I in my younger years robbed both premises and was caught. I have no criminal record and never stood in front of a judge for either.

Reason for first was compassion from owner.

Reason for second was Garda wanted to give me rope to ha g myself and compassion again obviously.

Joshua5

LucidLife wrote: »

Incident one) swap chemist with internet cafe
incident two) swap chemist with local shop

I in my younger years robbed both premises and was caught. I have no criminal record and never stood in front of a judge for either.

Reason for first was compassion from owner.

Reason for second was Garda wanted to give me rope to ha g myself and compassion again obviously.

It's a pity you didn't get a hiding the first time, might have stopped you from messing with people again.

circadian

*Gets popcorn*

5starpool

You're some man for starting threads lately Andy. You must have a lot on your mind.

LucidLife

Joshua5 wrote: »

It's a pity you didn't get a hiding the first time, might have stopped you from messing with people again.

Don't worry Karma isn't a myth. I have been on the other end of same situation, had more fights than you had hot dinners, got stabbed a few times, etc etc the list go's on and gets bigger all the time. I broke the law many many times I just gave you two examples as its relevant. I don't advocate the behavior but due to circumstance when I was young my life revolved around this kinda thing. If I didn't get chances I would be pushing up daisy's already

Joshua5

LucidLife wrote: »

Don't worry Karma isn't a myth. I have been on the other end of same situation, had more fights than you had hot dinners, got stabbed a few times, etc etc the list go's on and gets bigger all the time. I broke the law many many times I just gave you two examples as its relevant. I don't advocate the behavior but due to circumstance when I was young my life revolved around this kinda thing. If I didn't get chances I would be pushing up daisy's already

I was young is as bad an excuse as I had a poor up bringing. Fights are ok, most lads have done it. Pulling stokes in shops, getting caught twice means it happened many other times. In my opinion, people like you ruin other peoples lives, makes them nervous wrecks and anyone who walks onto someones premises with an intention to steal should be leaving in a bodybag... I now await my ban.

eviltwin

LucidLife wrote: »

Not at all overly dramatic. I have been in an almost identical situation twice. I know how this works

He hasn't identified anyone. You are over reacting.

Annasopra

El Weirdo wrote: »

I think you've been fed a load of bollocks, tbh.

Nah. I think we have.

Venus In Furs

If a person commits a crime, they are responsible - not their upbringing.
However, if their upbringing has been one of neglect and a lot of exposure to e.g. violence and crime, then this is bound to be a factor in how they've ended up. To acknowledge that is not making an excuse for them, just identifying a root cause. An upbringing with stability, values, boundaries, decent education... the more people who have these, the less crime there'd be I have no doubt.

Of course plenty of people who have a difficult background don't commit crimes, and some people with a stable upbringing still end up committing crimes, but these don't negate the above.

I don't think karma is a real thing - there are very good people who have awful lives, and awful people who have good lives.

LucidLife

Joshua5 wrote: »

I was young is as bad an excuse as I had a poor up bringing. Fights are ok, most lads have done it. Pulling stokes in shops, getting caught twice means it happened many other times. In my opinion, people like you ruin other peoples lives, makes them nervous wrecks and anyone who walks onto someones premises with an intention to steal should be leaving in a bodybag... I now await my ban.

I agree with a lot of what you say. But I didn't excuse myself for anything I have done. Do you assume I don't realize I have wrecked lives.... I am not exactly hiding the fact. Im not proud of it but thats my cross to carry not yours.

You have a deluded idea of how much crime happens and who commits it too most likely and thats evident with your body bag remark.

I wouldn't reports you, most is true as I say..

Son Of A Vidic

5starpool wrote: »

You're some man for starting threads lately Andy. You must have a lot on your mind.

Probably keeps him off the streets and out of trouble.

washman3

The disadvantaged background is a convenient excuse invented by the judicial system allowing them to become multimillionaires on the back of these scrotes crimes.
The justice system in Ireland is really a justice business.:mad:

LucidLife

washman3 wrote: »

The disadvantaged background is a convenient excuse invented by the judicial system allowing them to become multimillionaires on the back of these scrotes crimes.
The justice system in Ireland is really a justice business.:mad:

It really is. I had a Garda tell me of a planned raid while golfing and a super that did me a favour that I cant mention. And I obviously was known for the wrong reasons. Crime is way more organized than the justice system.

Joshua5

LucidLife wrote: »

I agree with a lot of what you say. But I didn't excuse myself for anything I have done. Do you assume I don't realize I have wrecked lives.... I am not exactly hiding the fact. Im not proud of it but thats my cross to carry not yours.

You have a deluded idea of how much crime happens and who commits it too most likely and thats evident with your body bag remark.

I wouldn't reports you, most is true as I say..

I am far from deluded in terms of the amount of crime that happens. Too much happens and too many people (including yourself) keep doing it because they are scum of the earth. One strike is ok, two and you should be properly punished. Half these lads get a little bit of time a career criminals, get their social welfare when they come out and continue on their petty crime to top it up. Cut the lot of you off is what I say and stick them in the care of their family. If they family don't want them then drown them

Tarzana2

Venus In Furs wrote: »

If a person commits a crime, they are responsible - not their upbringing.
However, if their upbringing has been one of neglect and a lot of exposure to e.g. violence and crime, then this is bound to be a factor in how they've ended up. To acknowledge that is not making an excuse for them, just identifying a root cause. An upbringing with stability, values, boundaries, decent education... the more people who have these, the less crime there'd be I have no doubt.

This all the way. People aren't using upbringing as an excuse but you simply can't ignore terrible upbringings at the same time.

circadian

Joshua5 wrote: »

I am far from deluded in terms of the amount of crime that happens. Too much happens and too many people (including yourself) keep doing it because they are scum of the earth. One strike is ok, two and you should be properly punished. Half these lads get a little bit of time a career criminals, get their social welfare when they come out and continue on their petty crime to top it up. Cut the lot of you off is what I say and stick them in the care of their family. If they family don't want them then drown them

Ah, so people commit crimes purely because they are scum of the earth?

Venus in Furs hit the nail on the head. Some people have never had the opportunity to be habilitated, what hope do they have of being rehabilited? The legal and criminal system is archaic and clearly not capable of dealing with the social issues that exist in todays Ireland.

keithclancy

They say 'disadvantaged' because they can't be using the term 'Skanger'

IMO money has nothing to do with with a persons behavior.

It's the attitude of feeling the world owes them something.

FullblownRose

If the system takes everyones circumstance into account, fair enough- but I don't think it does,
IMO its the ones who can tell a good sob story and play a judge like a violin who will get chance after chance, everyone else has to be made an example of just so the judge can look A) progressive, by giving the repeat offenders chances and Not too soft, by meting out harsh sentences to the rest
Seasoned criminals are well able to act and manipulate the courts
Some judges have 'pets' imo.
And I can see why they wouldnt want to continue the cycle of crime by keeping people in the system but still thin it's unjust because someone has to get the boot so to speak, in case the courts seem too lenient

FullblownRose

LucidLife wrote: »

And you were definitely sold a sack of sh! T lol. There is no way the Garda plain and simple refuse to investigate because of who they are. Likely scenario is the chemist owner decided to give the alleged perpetrator a break on finding out the real story.you know its this thing called compassion for fellow man and almost everyone has it

Yes there is.
A friend was told to go and retrieve their own property that was stolen from them.
On a separate occasion same friend was told there is nothing the gardai could do despite knowing who had stolen different property.
I know this to be a fact.

Streetwalker

Upbringing has nothing to do with it, look at Da Bert and David Drum Two of the biggest crooks this nation has ever seen and they where raised in middle class well to do families.

Andy From Sligo

OK found out today that the culprits were under-age thats why nothings being done. - Oh well my view is if your old enough to do the crime your old enough to do the time!

Venus In Furs

Streetwalker wrote: »

Upbringing has nothing to do with it, look at Da Bert and David Drum Two of the biggest crooks this nation has ever seen and they where raised in middle class well to do families.

In fairness, upbringing can have something to do with it. Not talking about people growing up without much money, but people who have a crap life with neglect and surrounded by violence and crime.
Of course this doesn't automatically mean they'll grow up a criminal (difficult cycle to break though) nor does it mean someone who has a stable, secure, comfortable upbringing definitely won't be a criminal.

lanos

LucidLife wrote: »

There is a big difference between law and justice. You could have potentially ruined someone's life by posting here. You could have just bust a Garda op to get them for a more serious crime. You could potentially lose your friend.

You definitely lost respect here

A scumbag with a conscience
Amazing

braddun

poor upbringing,is a common problem

Turtwig

I have to ask. Do you know Kev from Sligo? Some say he's a koala is that actually true? Kev's a legend. Le-gendd!

pragmatic1

This thread has everything. It's like a boards.ie episode of breaking bad. Gripping stuff.