Government reason for marijuana to be illegal

TheOtherBloke

Right. What is the Goverments actual reason for making marijuana illegal?. And no I DONT smoke it. Some of my friends do and they always have the conversation but never agree on opinions. They say they cant think of a good enough reason.. also alot say it does less harm than booze and that it doesent harm you like all the other drugs.. is it financial reasons? Economical? Let me know

DamagedTrax

because it makes your daughter get into rock and|or roll and want to sleep with black men.

TheOtherBloke

DamagedTrax wrote: »

because it makes your daughter get into rock and|or roll and want to sleep with black men.

Nothing wrong with rock and roll now

Valetta

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

uch

Because it's all Gerry Adams & the Church's fault

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

Ok. WHY is is it illegal..

hfallada

There is vested interests. Legal firms get money from legal advice. Garda have jobs "fighting it". The drinks industry will have reduced sales if its legalized. But importantly it's political suicide. A lot of older people in Ireland are pioneers. The thought of alcohol is dreadful to them. But a harmful drug like weed is shocking to them.

Valetta

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

Ok. WHY is is it illegal..

Because they don't have a good enough reason to legalise it.

bodice ripper

Because the US says its illegal.

the dark phantom

Eamon DeValera smoked it and threw a whitey, Its believed Bishop McQuaid seized his chance to drop the hand when Eamon had his guard down. An angry and confused Eamon woke up and immediately banned the Devil's Herb.

DamagedTrax

bodice ripper wrote: »

Because the US says its illegal.

barely!

bodice ripper

DamagedTrax wrote: »

barely!

well, yes, but that is quite a new development

DamagedTrax

maybe it will develop over in this direction with any luck

Mesrine65

Coz drugs is bad, mkay

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

Because they don't have a good enough reason to legalise it.

There isnt a good enough reason to legalise Fags or Booze either.. alot would say Weed falls in the same category as them

Valetta

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

There isnt a good enough reason to legalise Fags or Booze either.. alot would say Weed falls in the same category as them

But they were never illegal.

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

But they were never illegal.

Yeah okay smart arse. So why is weed illegal. That is my question.

catallus

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

Yeah okay smart arse. So why is weed illegal. That is my question.

Because it is against the law?

This isn't rocket science.

TheOtherBloke

catallus wrote: »

Because it is against the law?

This isn't rocket science.

Why is it against the law..

catallus

Because it is illegal!?

Why is breaking a speed-limit illegal? Because it just is!

Valetta

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

Yeah okay smart arse. So why is weed illegal. That is my question.

I've already answered that.

TheOtherBloke

catallus wrote: »

Because it is illegal!?

Why is breaking a speed-limit illegal? Because it just is!

Breaking the speed limit is illegal because you could potentially kill someone?

kjl

i smoke it but really it's not great for society. It makes people content with not doing anything.

Mesrine65

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

why is weed illegal. That is my question.

http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/

TheOtherBloke

catallus wrote: »

Because it is illegal!?

Why is breaking a speed-limit illegal? Because it just is!

Breaking the speed limit is illegal because you could potentially kill someone?

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

But they were never illegal.

Yeah okay smart arse. So why is weed illegal. That is my question.

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

Because they don't have a good enough reason to legalise it.

There isnt a good enough reason to legalise Fags or Booze either.. alot would say Weed falls in the same category as them

AboutaWeekAgo

catallus wrote: »

Because it is illegal!?

Why is breaking a speed-limit illegal? Because it just is!

Thats a stange viewpoint to have. "It's illegal because it's illegal"

Must be nice going through life without pondering things though...

kjl

catallus wrote: »

Because it is illegal!?

Why is breaking a speed-limit illegal? Because it just is!

you know what a circular argument is right?

Valetta

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

There isnt a good enough reason to legalise Fags or Booze either.. alot would say Weed falls in the same category as them

They never legalised fags or booze.

They were never illegal.

You don't seem to get that.

catallus

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

Breaking the speed limit is illegal because you could potentially kill someone?

Well that's debatable. I mean we all remember that ad with the little girl who says you could kill here going at a speed even under the speed limit.

But if you go slower then you wouldn't kill her?

Right?

So, imagine if you were stoned and killed her, even if you were under the speed limit? What then?

Mesrine65

catallus wrote: »

Well that's debatable. I mean we all remember that ad with the little girl who says you could kill here going at a speed even under the speed limit.

But if you go slower then you wouldn't kill her?

Right?

So, imagine if you were stoned and killed her, even if you were under the speed limit? What then?

You'd be up shoite creek without a paddle

TINA1984

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

Only made illegal in 1977.

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

They never legalised fags or booze.

They were never illegal.

You don't seem to get that.

Ill rephrase that then. I meant to say tgey have never been illegal.. so why weed. Apologies

Riskymove

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

Of course they have made it illegal

there is a law which outlines that is an offence to have certain drugs and marijuana is one of them

things are generally "legal" to possess unless there is a law to say otherwise

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

They never legalised fags or booze.

They were never illegal.

You don't seem to get that.

Ill rephrase that then. I meant to say tgey have never been illegal.. so why weed. Apologies

TheOtherBloke

Valetta wrote: »

They never legalised fags or booze.

They were never illegal.

You don't seem to get that.

Ill rephrase that then. I meant to say tgey have never been illegal.. so why weed. Apologies

man98

Weed causes cancer, like anything where you inhale smoke. Booze and fags are legal because the law is there supporting it for far too long, if you told anyone they wouldn't be allowed drink and smoke for the rest of their lives? Imagine the riots and black market.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

No Dewey, you don't want no part of that sh1t!

AboutaWeekAgo

man98 wrote: »

Weed causes cancer, like anything where you inhale smoke. Booze and fags are legal because the law is there supporting it for far too long, if you told anyone they wouldn't be allowed drink and smoke for the rest of their lives? Imagine the riots and black market.

*smoking weed causes cancer.

There are many ways to consume it without smoking it.

grindle

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

They did and it was.

We don't live in France, we don't wait for things to be legalized - everything is legal until it's made illegal, hence the laws that were brought in against mushrooms and "research chems" and our practically non-existent laws on bribery/corruption until 1995.

Billy86

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

Quite sure that's not true, for example it was legal in the US until the 1920s. Before that, George Washington grew hemp and many Americans did since King James had ordered that every colonist grow 100 plants specifically for export. Elizabeth I also not only encouraged it to be grown in England, but fined anyone who could grow it but didn't. Cannabis was also legal in the UK until 1928, meaning it more likely than not was legal in Ireland until that time or not long before it.

Billy86

catallus wrote: »

Well that's debatable. I mean we all remember that ad with the little girl who says you could kill here going at a speed even under the speed limit.

But if you go slower then you wouldn't kill her?

Right?

So, imagine if you were stoned and killed her, even if you were under the speed limit? What then?

You're also aware of what a straw man is? Nobody mentioned people taking marijuana and driving.

There was also an ad a few years back that showed the difference in damage done and ability to brake in time going 20mph vs 30mph on a pedestrian street. They don't just pluck speeding numbers for that kind of stuff out of the air an leave it at that with zero reasoning nor questioning.

Karl Stein

'Legal Pot In The U.S. May Be Undercutting Mexican Marijuana'

"Two or three years ago, a kilogram [2.2 pounds] of marijuana was worth $60 to $90," says Nabor, a 24-year-old pot grower in the northwestern Mexican state of Sinaloa. "But now they're paying us $30 to $40 a kilo. It's a big difference. If the U.S. continues to legalize pot, they'll run us into the ground."

www.npr.org

More evidence that the prohibition of weed is an idiotic way of trying to reduce harm.

pueblo

TheOtherBloke wrote: »

Yeah okay smart arse. So why is weed illegal. That is my question.

As I understand it 'weed' is not illegal. Cannabis is a controlled substance, and unlicensed possesion etc is an offence under Irish law.

lazybones32

It's not illegal to consume mary j or other narcotics but it is illegal to buy, sell or posses them.
Why? The reasons would have been cited during whatever Parliamentary debate took place before the Act was passed and these 'minutes' don't seem to be available on-line.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1977/en/act/pub/0012/index.html

It's not illegal to have controlled substances in your bloodstream, unless you're operating a car/machinery in Public, etc.

Littlekittylou

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

Actually before it was made illegal it would have been. They don't make a law declaring something legal.

nxbyveromdwjpg

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

Valetta wrote: »

They never legalised fags or booze.

They were never illegal.

Booze and fags were never illegal so are legal, and marijuana was never legal so is illegal.

I mean i... You have to be trolling.

braddun

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/01/21/5-reasons-marijuana-should-remain-illegal-n1782086/page/full

Tigger

Valetta wrote: »

They didn't "make it illegal".

It was never legal.

dope has only been illegal in ireland since 1977 before then it was legal

Bobking

The government and many others say that marijuana is illegal because it is harmful and causes problems for society.

This may be incorrect.

There are some problems with consuming large amounts of marijuana and not taking precautions (like eating and taking your time). Balance for some people, or overtiredness maybe for others.
This also applies to alcohol, prescription and non prescription medicine and fatty foods.
There is no precaution for cigarettes, you just gotta cross your fingers and hope they dont kill you.

So death.
There are no known deaths from consuming too much marijuana.
This cannot be said for many things mentioned above.

As for the potential public disturbance marijuana might cause, that phrase public disturbance has become synonymous with alcohol. And I dont know what might happen in the future but the current public disturbance issues with marijuana are related to the black market and all that intails. A market directly enabled by prohibition. See the quote below.

Now for the real issue, why might it be a good reason to make marijuana legal, the health benefits for marijuana have long been ignored by the Irish govenment and many others. Just as the opium has been refined for use as the pain killer morphine marijuana will most likely be refined into another product for people to buy.

Of course it is claimed by medical users that the pain relief provided by vaporising or eating the raw plant (in cakes and brownies usually but anything that person likes) is superior to the marijuana products available to them, many citing side effects as the main reason. That is that the raw plant didnt have any where the tablets did, the plant curing nausea and the tablets causing it.

Money, the language the government speaks. What can be saved by not wasting garda time on chasing people who produce, distribute and supply marijuana?
What tax can be accrued by bringing this commodity back into the legal market? Hopefull they wont raise the tax high enough to reinforce the illegal market like they have with cigarettes.
How will this affect alcohol related issues for accident & emergency on Saturday nights and garda resources? Remember consuming too much marijuana puts them on the ground asleep.

Some experts say that the internet enabling the availability of information about how marijuana was lumped in with more harmful drugs when these laws were made, will change public opinion towards making it legal.

The Portuguese government decided that the fact that prohibition was not working and the fact that jailing users simply didnt work and was unsustainable, was sufficient reasons to decriminalise any drug use with all the money saved on enforcement being used instead to offer treatment to any users who wanted it. 12 years later its allegedly a success.

TLDR; FOR DEBATE:
I would propose that tomorrow the Irish govenment adapt the same laws and tax that are currently applicable to alcohol to also apply to marijuana.

Key argument for, if you want to keep weed out of the hands of children then make it legal.

Karl Stein wrote: »

'Legal Pot In The U.S. May Be Undercutting Mexican Marijuana'

More evidence that the prohibition of weed is an idiotic way of trying to reduce harm.