SUV Driver ploughs pedestrians on Dublin footpath

Muahahaha

Regardless of what your opinion is on the current Irish Water protests what happened yesterday on Tara Street bridge was truly disgusting behaviour. A SUV driver drove up on the footpath and knocked one pedestrian over and another rode on top of his bonnet. People are in hospital right now because of this idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORmZxqEl_AY

Sadly the above is representative of some of the drivers you find on Irish roads today. This breed of driver thinks that they have the right to go whereever they want however fast they want and fcuk everyone else. If that's what this driver would do to pedestrians how would he treat cyclists or motorcyclists who might peeve him off ? Reverse over them to make sure the job is finished ?

I hope the full weight of the law comes down on this idiot, he needs to be slapped with charges for a hit and run and then attempted manslaughter on top.

Mods: this is cross posted in Commuting & Transport as relevant to both

ba_barabus

I'd like to see the full clip. Looks to me like the car was being attacked and the driver **** him or her self and decided to get out of there.

dgt

Is there actually such a thing as attempted manslaughter...?

Genuinely curious on that one

Arbiter of Good Taste

dgt wrote: »

Is there actually such a thing as attempted manslaughter...?

Genuinely curious on that one

That's a good question. As manslaughter suggests the lack of mens rea, then how can you "attempt" to do something you didn't really mean to do in the first place?

Anjobe

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

That's a good question. As manslaughter suggests the lack of mens rea, then how can you "attempt" to do something you didn't really mean to do in the first place?

Indeed, its an oxymoron. I think "endangerment" is what was meant here.

CountingCrows

Muahahaha wrote: »

If that's what this driver would do to pedestrians how would he treat cyclists or motorcyclists who might peeve him off ? Reverse over them to make sure the job is finished?

Without doubt.

maximoose

Top comment on this article on thejournal.ie - before the video had been posted it seems:

Girlfriend works in IFSC and text me earlier to say a group of people, one with an Ireland flag attacked a SUV, which then broke through redlights at junction to get away. Probably related to this incident.

Doesn't sound as sexy as "SUV Driver ploughs pedestrians on Dublin footpath" though, does it?

MuppetCheck

And they all had their hoods up because it was cold.

LucidLife

There is two types of manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter and nonnegligent manslaughter so while its a grey area the law can come down on this driver...on the basis that had they were interrupted by protestors. I only found cases in America and England though but if they got Gotti for it you better believe it's possible to do the same here

Caliden

LucidLife wrote: »

There is two types of manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter and nonnegligent manslaughter so while its a grey area the law can come down on this driver...on the basis that had they were interrupted by protestors. I only found cases in America and England though but if they got Gotti for it you better believe it's possible to do the same here

Surely it's only manslaughter if someone dies?

Muahahaha

Muahahaha wrote: »

Regardless of what your opinion is on the current Irish Water protests what happened yesterday on Tara Street bridge was truly disgusting behaviour. A SUV driver drove up on the footpath and knocked one pedestrian over and another rode on top of his bonnet. People are in hospital right now because of this idiot.

Maybe if they weren't attacking his jeep he wouldn't have to force through them. Looked like a shower of thugs to me out causing trouble in the name of "free water".

Jasper79

Agree, looks more like people being idiots in front of SUV.

All for protesting, but these idiots closing off city center so people can't get home from work isn't on.

AndyBoBandy

What if this driver was on his way to the hospital with his pregnant wife? or his sick child in the car?

I know how I'd react if it was me driving

Kenny Logins

Jasper79 wrote: »

Agree, looks more like people being idiots in front of SUV.

All for protesting, but these idiots closing off city center so people can't get home from work isn't on.

This happened on the footpath. There must be a good excuse for that?

kooga

i'd like to see the start of the clip!!!

Jasper79

Kenny Logins wrote: »

This happened on the footpath. There must be a good excuse for that?

I'd like to see the run up to the driver mounting the footpath.

If I had somewhere important to be and a bunch of gobs*tes where blocking the road for no good reason I'd damn sure try get around them .

Mycroft H

Reserve judgement until the full video being shown. Which I guess I won't as it'll tell a different story

Riskymove

Kenny Logins wrote: »

This happened on the footpath. There must be a good excuse for that?

the protestors were attempting to block the road so the driver decided to drive across the footpath to avoid them

they then tried to block him

driving into people isn't right and I'm sure the driver will have to face up to it

but the protestors have no right to be causing the kind of traffic chaos that they did that only affects the public and has nothing to do with IW

Kenny Logins

Riskymove wrote: »

the protestors were attempting to block the road so the driver decided to drive across the footpath to avoid them

they then tried to block him

driving into people isn't right and I'm sure the driver will have to face up to it

but the protestors have no right to be causing the kind of traffic chaos that they did that only affects the public and has nothing to do with IW

Yeah, two wrongs. My point is that the driver better have a better excuse than being pissed off or late.

LucidLife

Caliden wrote: »

Surely it's only manslaughter if someone dies?

I would assume so.

Arbiter of Good Taste

LucidLife wrote: »

There is two types of manslaughter. Voluntary manslaughter and nonnegligent manslaughter so while its a grey area the law can come down on this driver...on the basis that had they were interrupted by protestors. I only found cases in America and England though but if they got Gotti for it you better believe it's possible to do the same here

You need to have a death. The point is where there is no death, you can't "attempt" manslaughter.

LucidLife

Riskymove wrote: »

the protestors were attempting to block the road so the driver decided to drive across the footpath to avoid them

they then tried to block him

driving into people isn't right and I'm sure the driver will have to face up to it

but the protestors have no right to be causing the kind of traffic chaos that they did that only affects the public and has nothing to do with IW

Your last point is wrong. People have the right to assembly. Even if you don't personally agree with it Articles 9 through 11 of the 1950 EuropeanConvention on Human Right says they can

maximoose

Right of assembly ≠ right to obstruct traffic.

LucidLife

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

You need to have a death. The point is where there is no death, you can't "attempt" manslaughter.

Yeah I see I left out attempted but the point is still valid. John Gotti got 4 years for it so you can actually. A lot of people have got time for it. I spent 10 mins on Google and found loads. None in Ireland. I picked Gotti as a reference because will probably be easy for ye to find

LucidLife

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Stop it, the driver gave up every right when he left road and mounted footpath. This person who got hit could have easily (im sure he will by the time its in court) have had their back to the direction the vehicle came from

Fred Swanson

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maximoose

LucidLife wrote: »

Stop it, the driver gave up every right when he left road and mounted footpath. This person who got hit could have easily (im sure he will by the time its in court) have had their back to the direction the vehicle came from

Where did I defend the driver?

You said the protesters were acting within their rights by blocking the road. They were not.

Riskymove

LucidLife wrote: »

Your last point is wrong. People have the right to assembly. Even if you don't personally agree with it Articles 9 through 11 of the 1950 EuropeanConvention on Human Right says they can

I didn't say they couldn't protest or assemble

there was a whole area around Merrion Square blocked off for the protest


but these "break-away" groups shouldn't be just out blocking junctions for the laugh to inconvenience people trying to go home

Guy:Incognito

LucidLife wrote: »

Your last point is wrong. People have the right to assembly. Even if you don't personally agree with it Articles 9 through 11 of the 1950 EuropeanConvention on Human Right says they can

Would you respect my right to assembly with my mate in front of your driveway in the morning when you want to go to work?

LucidLife

maximoose wrote: »

Where did I defend the driver?

You said the protesters were acting within their rights by blocking the road. They were not.

Where did I say that? The only protestor I referred to singularly was on a pavement....

boredatwork82

Dead right!.stupid scum bag water protestors not waiting to pay for anything. Bunch of freeloaders. If I thought I would get away with it, I would run down a load of scumbags too.

LucidLife

Riskymove wrote: »

I didn't say they couldn't protest or assemble

there was a whole area around Merrion Square blocked off for the protest


but these "break-away" groups shouldn't be just out blocking junctions for the laugh to inconvenience people trying to go home

Merrion square was full to capacity. (60,000). If they underestimated the number of protesters that would show up surely thats DCC's fault or some body like that. Its hardly my fault anyway I can assure you.

Il remind you the protester was on the pavement, not ' just out blocking junctions having a laugh'

kona

they didnt see that coming did they?! Shutting the city centre down for what? Just to annoy the people who are paying the tax for their dole and bus passes used to get into town to act the muppet?

There is a real speciál element to these protests.

Muahahaha

Jeffery Gigantic Rifleman wrote: »

Maybe if they weren't attacking his jeep he wouldn't have to force through them. Looked like a shower of thugs to me out causing trouble in the name of "free water".

Where is your evidence that they were attacking the SUV? Someones girlfriend on Facebook says it so it must be true? And since when is driving up on a footpath where there are pedestrians and then driving over them before leaving the scene of a crime legal?

kooga wrote: »

i'd like to see the start of the clip!!!

Me too, we don't know the full story. But my guess is the protestors blocked the road, the SUV driver thinks to himself 'I'll show these lot' and what we see in the video is the driver, having mounted the footpath, now proceeds to knock two pedestrians over. As yet we don't know if the pedestrians were also protestors or innocent bystanders. Either way things aren't looking good for that driver. Unless he had a wife in labour on the passenger seat he really hasn't much of a leg to stand on here and the judge will likely throw the book at him, a disqualification at a minimum and possibly a prison sentence on top. Then when thats all done and dusted the two pedestrians will likely take a civil action against him so between the two of them I'd imagine he'll be handing over a good €80k in compensation plus another €20k in legal costs there.

So a pretty dumb hotheaded move by the driver there. There are no circumstances where you can use your car as a weapon on a footpath. The law will deal with him and then the two people he knocked over will ensure he'll have to sell his house to pay them their award. A moment of sheer madness is going to cost the motorist a lot of grief and moolah, no matter what it was an extremely dumb move to do what he did IMO.

LucidLife

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Would you respect my right to assembly with my mate in front of your driveway in the morning when you want to go to work?

You make many assumptions here all of which are wrong.

I don't work. You couldn't possibly be at my front door in the morning even if you tried and your right and mine are dictated by where we live.

Guy:Incognito

LucidLife wrote: »

Merrion square was full to capacity. (60,000). If they underestimated the number of protesters that would show up surely thats DCC's fault or some body like that. Its hardly my fault anyway I can assure you.

Il remind you the protester was on the pavement, not ' just out blocking junctions having a laugh'

So full that the 10 or 12 people in the video got pushed all the way down to the quays and over the bridge?

Guy:Incognito

LucidLife wrote: »

You make many assumptions here all of which are wrong.

I don't work. You couldn't possibly be at my front door in the morning even if you tried and your right and mine are dictated by where we live.

That's a lot of words without answering the point. You know full well what I was getting at.

Does the right to assembly in the middle of the road only apply when its other people being inconvenienced?

ba_barabus

Muahahaha wrote: »

Me too, we don't know the full story. But my guess is the protestors blocked the road, the SUV driver thinks to himself 'I'll show these lot' and what we see in the video is the driver, having mounted the footpath, now proceeds to knock two pedestrians over. As yet we don't know if the pedestrians were also protestors or innocent bystanders. Either way things aren't looking good for that driver. Unless he had a wife in labour on the passenger seat he really hasn't much of a leg to stand on here and the judge will likely throw the book at him, a disqualification at a minimum and possibly a prison sentence on top. Then when thats all done and dusted the two pedestrians will likely take a civil action against him so between the two of them I'd imagine he'll be handing over a good €80k in compensation plus another €20k in legal costs there.

So a pretty dumb hotheaded move by the driver there. There are no circumstances where you can use your car as a weapon on a footpath. The law will deal with him and then the two people he knocked over will ensure he'll have to sell his house to pay them their award. A moment of sheer madness is going to cost the motorist a lot of grief and moolah, no matter what it was an extremely dumb move to do what he did IMO.

You've made assumptions since your first post. Everyone else would like to see what happened before the video started before they make an assumption.

And to be honest, if I was in the Jeep and I felt that a large group were surrounding me and threatening me in a confined space I'd use any means to escape if I felt my safety was at risk. Similarly if I had to get to a hospital asap and protestors weren't being co-operative I'd mount the curb to go round. Sadly we don't know if any of that was the case from the video.

I'm not a legal expert but I'd assume if you feel your safety is being put at risk due to threatening behaviour of others you can you reasonable force to protect yourself or escape (Obviously reasonable force would have to be decided by an informed judge which none of us are due to the video being cut short at the start).

It was suggest to me that there was a certain group blocking the junction in that area yesterday but it was just an observation of a friend. They weren't water meter protesters but a group out to cause trouble from a certain organisation.

HeidiHeidi

LucidLife wrote: »

Merrion square was full to capacity. (60,000). If they underestimated the number of protesters that would show up surely thats DCC's fault or some body like that. Its hardly my fault anyway I can assure you.

Il remind you the protester was on the pavement, not ' just out blocking junctions having a laugh'

:D

Excuse of the day right there -properly made me LOL.

Another vote here for seeing the full video. Won't hold my breath though.

Guy:Incognito

Muahahaha wrote: »

Where is your evidence that they were attacking the SUV?

None. Just like how all the videos start right at the second a Garda is pushing someone. Its amazing the way the Gardaí go on these days, walking the street in groups randomly shoving people for no reason.

Its such a pity the videos never start before that and show the reason these crazy folk in uniform just keep going on mad , unprovoked shoving sprees.

ba_barabus

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

None. Just like how all the videos start right at the second a Garda is pushing someone. Its amazing the way the Gardaí go on these days, walking the street in groups randomly shoving people for no reason.

Funny when I walk about acting like a reasonable citizen or get stopped at a checkpoint and show respect to the Gardaí they don't feel the need to shove me around or man handle me.

I must look a right hard man when I flash my phone camera.

LucidLife

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So full that the 10 or 12 people in the video got pushed all the way down to the quays and over the bridge?

I have no idea what the victim/s were doing there obviously. They could have been shopping for all I know lol but it doesn't change the fact the car left the road and drove on a pavement full of people.

You trying to insinuate that the persons themselves are at fault is ridiculous. You will see them each get a lot of money in court. If you say they won't I don't really care your lying to me or yourself.

ba_barabus

LucidLife wrote: »

You will see them each get a lot of money in court.

If they provoked the driver and threatened their safety I wouldn't want to be them standing in front of a judge..........

jackofalltrades

I'd need to see the full length video before judging the situation. It definitely seems to stop very abruptly.

LucidLife

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

:D

Excuse of the day right there -properly made me LOL.

Another vote here for seeing the full video. Won't hold my breath though.

Ok I'll bite, elaborate why you give me quote of the day for that. ...

timetogo

I'm tired of these videos showing something happening but the videos always start half way through an incident. I'm sure somebody has a full video of what happened. Lets see that.

To be honest my default position these days is so assume the protesters videoing the event are the ones at fault or editing the shown video to suit their agenda. It's really not helping their cause.

LucidLife

ba_barabus wrote: »

If they provoked the driver and threatened their safety I wouldn't want to be them standing in front of a judge..........

If they did, the driver will have to prove it which is most likely not gonna happen.

ba_barabus

LucidLife wrote: »

If they did, the driver will have to prove it which is most likely not gonna happen.

That junction is covered in CCTV which the judge would certainly request to help him/her get a look at the big picture.

timetogo

LucidLife wrote: »

If they did, the driver will have to prove it which is most likely not gonna happen.

O'Connel bridge would probably have several cameras pointed at it. I'd imagine the Guards could get that footage easily enough.

kyote00

Quite a few tracksuits as well - obviously coming from the gym

MuppetCheck wrote: »

And they all had their hoods up because it was cold.

airuser

As someone has posted we have only seen a 1/2 video. Hopefully there may be a cctv view from the many cameras around town.

If he drove on the footpath, he has committed an offence. Plus the other they have committed while travelling on it.

One supposes that his number was recorded and given to the Police.