tv license 7 days to pay

Lamposts

I recently had someone call whilst I was coming home from work. I gave them my name and said yes I did have a TV. Just a tv, no sky, upc etc. It's just used for me xbox one. I'm now after getting a letter saying I have 7 days to pay and if I dont I face legal action. I thought you dont have to pay if you dont have something that allows you to watch tv which I don't.

newspower

Yeah its not a TV Licence anymore. They changed it so that everyone has to have one once you have any media outlet in your home. Its a way of getting more money from more people. Think you will need to get one.

shruikan2553

You have a TV, you need a licence. They don't care if you use it to put your feet on or as a paperweight.

newspower wrote: »

Yeah its not a TV Licence anymore. They changed it so that everyone has to have one once you have any media outlet in your home. Its a way of getting more money from more people. Think you will need to get one.

No they havent

newspower

newspower wrote: »

Yeah its not a TV Licence anymore. They changed it so that everyone has to have one once you have any media outlet in your home. Its a way of getting more money from more people. Think you will need to get one.

Wrong

washman3

Lamposts wrote: »

I recently had someone call whilst I was coming home from work. I gave them my name and said yes I did have a TV. Just a tv, no sky, upc etc. It's just used for me xbox one. I'm now after getting a letter saying I have 7 days to pay and if I dont I face legal action. I thought you dont have to pay if you dont have something that allows you to watch tv which I don't.

You mean you have 7 days to pay the licence fee or 7 days to pay a fine.??

bodhrandude

No its the broadcasting charge which will come in on January I think, that applies to folk with PCs, laptops, smart phones and tablets, and if you have a tv well the telly set too. Streaming has improved big time in the last few years, like another poster said its a way to get more money out of the public.

eezipc

From citizens information
"Every household, business or institution in Ireland with a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal (using an aerial, satellite dish, cable or other means) must have a television licence"
Seems very clear that you need a licence.

shruikan2553

bodhrandude wrote: »

No its the broadcasting charge which will come in on January I think, that applies to folk with PCs, laptops, smart phones and tablets, and if you have a tv well the telly set too. Streaming has improved big time in the last few years, like another poster said its a way to get more money out of the public.

Hasn't the idea been scrapped? Until someone else wishes to take it up anyway.

Either way, the OP meets the current requirements and they have his name so its either pay it or he will be getting a summons

heldel00

washman3 wrote: »

You mean you have 7 days to pay the licence fee or 7 days to pay a fine.??

7 days to pay fee and if not then a fine that has to be paid

kryogen

shruikan2553 wrote: »

You have a TV, you need a licence. They don't care if you use it to put your feet on or as a paperweight.



No they havent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

Wont have too much longer to wait

JoeySully

I don't understand why anyone give strangers calling to your door any information at all.

If you call to my door you get nada from me unless you have a Garda badge, even then its unlikely to get a full name.

NinetyForNone

kryogen wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

Wont have too much longer to wait

Government announced a few weeks back they were scrapping broadcast charge plans and retain TV licence to avoid Irish water type backlash.

Crasp

Surely if there is no digital tuner in the TV then it is not capable of receiving any signal since they turned off the analog signal??

bluemartin

Lamposts wrote: »

I recently had someone call whilst I was coming home from work. I gave them my name and said yes I did have a TV. Just a tv, no sky, upc etc. It's just used for me xbox one. I'm now after getting a letter saying I have 7 days to pay and if I dont I face legal action. I thought you dont have to pay if you dont have something that allows you to watch tv which I don't.

If you only use it for the xbox, just get rid of the tv and play your xbox at a friend's house. Save yourself 160 euros

shruikan2553

kryogen wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

Wont have too much longer to wait

Looks like it might take awhile

http://www.newstalk.com/Reports-that-Government-has-scrapped-planned-160-broadcasting-charge

shruikan2553

Crasp wrote: »

Surely if there is no digital tuner in the TV then it is not capable of receiving any signal since they turned off the analog signal??

They dont care, you can get a box for it.

bluemartin wrote: »

If you only use it for the xbox, just get rid of the tv and play your xbox at a friend's house. Save yourself 160 euros

Too late, he had a TV when the inspector turned up.

Mr E

Pay it on direct debit - €13 a month (rather than a whack of €160 two weeks before Christmas).

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Personal+Customers/More+from+An+Post/TV+Licence/TV+Licence+Direct+Debit.htm

bluemartin

shruikan2553 wrote: »

They dont care, you can get a box for it.



Too late, he had a TV when the inspector turned up.

The TV man didn't see the TV, didn't OP say he met inspector on his way home form work

washman3

heldel00 wrote: »

7 days to pay fee and if not then a fine that has to be paid

So there's no on the spot fine as such.?
Just buy a licence and they leave it at that.?
Excuse my ignorance on this matter.!!

anonyanony

bluemartin wrote: »

The TV man didn't see the TV, didn't OP say he met inspector on his way home form work

But he told him he had a tv

bluemartin

NinetyForNone wrote: »

Government announced a few weeks back they were scrapping broadcast charge plans and retain TV licence to avoid Irish water type backlash.

Proper order too, it was a ludicrous idea to start with, bad enough trying to get people pay their property and water bills, imagine the backlash they would get if they tried to levy a tax on people for using their mobile phones and tablets :eek:

bluemartin

anonyanony wrote: »

But he told him he had a tv

could he claim selective amnesia

cerastes

But the broadcasting charge isnt in yet and may hopefully not even come in.

If you dont have a tv, but have a digital receiver or satellite dish Ive read they try claim you need a tv licence and will send you the same threats and eventually a summons, forcing you to prove you dont have a television which is what the licence is for, a tv, and thats how it is currently.

o1s1n

shruikan2553 wrote: »

They dont care, you can get a box for it.

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Not true. By that logic, any screen could then potentially be a TV as you could hook up 'a box to it'. But we know that's not true as currently, computer monitors, tablets and phones are exempt.

The law says;

capable of receiving a television signal

A TV with an analog tuner is capable of receiving a television signal. The fact that the analog was turned off doesn't remove this capability, it just means there's no signal to be received.

I'm sure you could probably debate that if you wanted to, but the legislation is fairly open ended so I doubt you'd do very well in court.

zagmund

What really bugs me about this whole TV license inspector thing is the amount of money & resources that seems to go into policing it.

I mean, has anyone got an idea how much all those f*ckin' ads that they play over and over cost to have on the radio & TV? And I can think of a whole load of bodies I would want to be funded to have people working weekends before the TV folks - you know, maybe emergency out of hours social services for example.

z

Crasp

shruikan2553 wrote: »

They dont care, you can get a box for it

You can get one for a computer too but that's not currently taxable

shruikan2553

bluemartin wrote: »

The TV man didn't see the TV, didn't OP say he met inspector on his way home form work

Maybe he did, it is for a judge to decide and if the judge doesnt believe him then it could make things worse.

washman3 wrote: »

So there's no on the spot fine as such.?
Just buy a licence and they leave it at that.?
Excuse my ignorance on this matter.!!

I think you can get a summons and then buy a licence! They like to scare you into buying one before they have to do anything.

bluemartin wrote: »

Proper order too, it was a ludicrous idea to start with, bad enough trying to get people pay their property and water bills, imagine the backlash they would get if they tried to levy a tax on people for using their mobile phones and tablets

I doubt most people would care. Something like 80%+ people have one. Its only us stone age people (ironically we tend to be more technological with our streaming and such) and those who do have a TV but are just not paying it would affect.

o1s1n wrote: »

Not true. By that logic, any screen could then potentially be a TV as you could hook up 'a box to it'. But we know that's not true as currently, computer monitors, tablets and phones are exempt.

The law says;

capable of receiving a television signal

A TV with an analog tuner is capable of receiving a television signal. The fact that the analog was turned off doesn't remove this capability, it just means there's no signal to be received.

I'm sure you could probably debate that if you wanted to, but the legislation is fairly open ended so I doubt you'd do very well in court.

Crasp wrote: »

You can get one for a computer too but that's not currently taxable

If you want to bring logic into it then you would be right. They dont use such logic. I agree that the rules and how they are viewed as stupid but the people at an post have their own standards and I am pointing out how they see things. They claim a CRT TV is repairable, technically yes but where would actually do it and how would they get the parts?

cerastes

bluemartin wrote: »

Proper order too, it was a ludicrous idea to start with, bad enough trying to get people pay their property and water bills, imagine the backlash they would get if they tried to levy a tax on people for using their mobile phones and tablets :eek:

But its a digital economy, or some other buzz word bullshiyte

Lamposts

bluemartin wrote: »

The TV man didn't see the TV, didn't OP say he met inspector on his way home form work

Yeh they never entered my house. Just caught me off guard after a long days graft. Man wasn't thinking straight init

Agree 100% with the lad that said financially its such a waste of resources. It could be invested in communities etc.

8-10

zagmund wrote: »

What really bugs me about this whole TV license inspector thing is the amount of money & resources that seems to go into policing it.

I mean, has anyone got an idea how much all those f*ckin' ads that they play over and over cost to have on the radio & TV? And I can think of a whole load of bodies I would want to be funded to have people working weekends before the TV folks - you know, maybe emergency out of hours social services for example.

z

If everyone paid their licence then there would be no need for ads and inspectors. Bizarre and annoying how people think they can have a TV and not pay a licence. It's Living in Ireland 101. Should be an on the spot fine as well as the 7 days to pay.

o1s1n

shruikan2553 wrote: »

. They claim a CRT TV is repairable, technically yes but where would actually do it and how would they get the parts?

If your CRT goes bad, chances are it might just need the capacitors changed, which are over the counter parts. Bit of soldering and you're done.

Worst comes to worst and the LOPT is gone, you replace it (or the whole chassis, which is probably easier to source)

Its a shame everyone is binning their CRTs as they last a hell of a lot longer than LCDs and are far cheaper to fix in most cases.

GarIT

8-10 wrote: »

Bizarre and annoying how people think they can have a TV and not pay a licence.

I don't disagree that while a licence exists it should be paid for but...

I own a table too, I own chairs, I own a sink, why don't any of those need a licence why is a TV significant? It's not a weapon or car, it can't kill people, it's not a dog I don't need to know how to care for it.

Lamposts

GarIT wrote: »

I don't disagree that while a licence exists it should be paid for but...

I own a table too, I own chairs, I own a sink, why don't any of those need a licence why is a TV significant? It's not a weapon or car, it can't kill people, it's not a dog I don't need to know how to care for it.

THIS.

8-10

GarIT wrote: »

I don't disagree that while a licence exists it should be paid for but...

I own a table too, I own chairs, I own a sink, why don't any of those need a licence why is a TV significant? It's not a weapon or car, it can't kill people, it's not a dog I don't need to know how to care for it.

I get that but my point simply relates to your first one - the licence exists and should be paid for. When you buy a chair, sink etc you are buying knowing there's no licence to be added on. When you buy a TV, you are already aware of the requirement for a licence. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not - that's the requirement.

If you disagree, don't buy a TV, simple. The main problem that exists is the attitude towards it, both from people who don't pay and the inspectors. Other things that are licenced or taxed aren't inspected in the same invasive way. Should be easy in this day and age to know who has a TV and fine them if they haven't paid without knocking on doors. I also think that payment options should be advertised better, particularly the direct debit through An Post for €13.33/month or whatever it is. I would be emblazoning that € figure on the ads for people to see.

Frank O. Pinion

8-10 wrote: »

If everyone paid their licence then there would be no need for ads and inspectors. Bizarre and annoying how people think they can have a TV and not pay a licence. It's Living in Ireland 101. Should be an on the spot fine as well as the 7 days to pay.

No, easily avoiding paying the TV license is living in Ireland 101. I have never paid for one and never will.

8-10 wrote:

the licence exists and should be paid for.

Copyright laws exist, but in over 10 years using torrents, nothing has happened to me. Why should I start giving money to Hollywood or RTE when nothing bad has happened to me in not doing so?

8-10

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

No, easily avoiding paying the TV license is living in Ireland 101. I have never paid for one and never will.


Copyright laws exist, but in over 10 years using torrents, nothing has happened to me. Why should I start giving money to Hollywood or RTE when nothing bad has happened to me in not doing so?

Having that attitude is your prerogative so I don't think I'd change your mind tbh, we're coming at it differently

zagmund

I do pay for my license. What bugs me is that it looks like a reasonable proportion of the money I pay goes into paying for ads for the service I've just paid for.

If this government was serious (which it isn't) about this sort of tax it would impose a tax on computers. But then we all know that a) it wold be stupid and b) Google, Amazon, Apple, etc . . . would be out of here faster than you could say "this is a stupid tax".

Taxing TVs is just nonsense. Just because there's a law which says we must do it doesn't make it any less nonsense. And, as above, I do pay my license so don't assume that everyone who gives out about it doesn't pay it.

z

8-10 wrote: »

I get that but my point simply relates to your first one - the licence exists and should be paid for. When you buy a chair, sink etc you are buying knowing there's no licence to be added on. When you buy a TV, you are already aware of the requirement for a licence. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not - that's the requirement.

If you disagree, don't buy a TV, simple. The main problem that exists is the attitude towards it, both from people who don't pay and the inspectors. Other things that are licenced or taxed aren't inspected in the same invasive way. Should be easy in this day and age to know who has a TV and fine them if they haven't paid without knocking on doors. I also think that payment options should be advertised better, particularly the direct debit through An Post for €13.33/month or whatever it is. I would be emblazoning that € figure on the ads for people to see.

cerastes

Mr E wrote: »

Pay it on direct debit - €13 a month (rather than a whack of €160 two weeks before Christmas).

http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Personal+Customers/More+from+An+Post/TV+Licence/TV+Licence+Direct+Debit.htm

you cant pay it like that unless you do it ahead of it being due.

8-10 wrote: »

I get that but my point simply relates to your first one - the licence exists and should be paid for. When you buy a chair, sink etc you are buying knowing there's no licence to be added on. When you buy a TV, you are already aware of the requirement for a licence. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not - that's the requirement.

If you disagree, don't buy a TV, simple. The main problem that exists is the attitude towards it, both from people who don't pay and the inspectors. Other things that are licenced or taxed aren't inspected in the same invasive way. Should be easy in this day and age to know who has a TV and fine them if they haven't paid without knocking on doors. I also think that payment options should be advertised better, particularly the direct debit through An Post for €13.33/month or whatever it is. I would be emblazoning that € figure on the ads for people to see.

Now in their wisdom they have already decided, everyone will pay it, regardless of if you have a tv or watch it or not, other countries have withdrawn it or its replaced by a mandatory charge that is reasonable, ie Portugal.
I dont know but Id be interested how many countries apply a mandatory licence as a broadcasting charge in the event their citizens use a laptop, tablet or smartphone, even where they dont stream any tv, but just in case they do?
Its not like they even cut the cost of it when they intended to make it a mandatory broadcasting charge, even though there would be no cost to enforce it.
Why cant the payment option be as you go or use? (PAYG, PAYU) or how about subscription? and cut out the licence inspectors and put the money into something else and make it PAYG?

pl4ichjgy17zwd

cerastes wrote: »

you cant pay it like that unless you do it ahead of it being due.

That one is important. My mom lost her job and is struggling, so I said I'd take on the TV licence for her. The arrears ended up being about €110 which you have to pay full whack with the first payment. Only that I'm paid weekly and it was a 'long' month (five Fridays) that I had the extra in my account. I don't know what the situation would be if you've never had a licence.

For Reals

The TV licence, (I have one by the way) is just a tax on TV's. Even if there is dust on it and you never use it, you need a licence. Sadly the money goes to RTE and that's how the government has justified it. We are capable of viewing RTE fun, (pretty much re showings of US shows) so we should pay towards the quality they provide, (like nepotism and Ear to the ground).
As the level of TV only viewers die off and more don't even own a TV thanks to the internet...the government in their wisdom proposed the Communications licence meaning even if you own a PC, Laptop, mobile phone, radio, crystal set, CB radio, get messages from God or own something shiny which can catch the reflection of your neighbours TV...you'll need a 'communications' licence.
This of course is all very fair.......I await the chance to play my part, long live the Ryan line, (off spring with broadcasting tax funded jobs).

lertsnim

Crasp wrote: »

Surely if there is no digital tuner in the TV then it is not capable of receiving any signal since they turned off the analog signal??

If you are a UPC broadband customer with a TV that has only an analogue tuner you can still watch several channels on that TV. Analogue TV is far from gone in this country.

The tv is not taxed. Why keep saying the tv is taxed? It is not. They tax the ability to receive signal. this is why you can use tv for game only but not need licence. Only taxed if receiver.

washman3

8-10 wrote: »

If everyone paid their licence then there would be no need for ads and inspectors. Bizarre and annoying how people think they can have a TV and not pay a licence. It's Living in Ireland 101. Should be an on the spot fine as well as the 7 days to pay.

That would be great. Any all the money presently wasted on ads and inspectors could be lumped on the wages of the already ridiculously over-inflated wages of RTE staff.!!!

cerastes

The tv licence is just another tax to assist RTE, the state mouthpiece. It allows exorbitant salaries to be perpetuated among certain staff who would never receive the likes elsewhere, I suppose it keeps them onside when the state needs a propaganda dig out.
You'd think it would be reflected in their listenership in the amount of ad revenue they could generate in someway, but if that is the model of determining their pay then what has the state got to do with imposing legislation to make it a legal requirement to ensure people contribute? If thats their reasoning, then I suggest they go all the way and make it a private service altogether, that or bring the licence fee down to a reasonable level, either similar to Italy (€113) for all services or like other PIIGS around the €50 mark and have streaming online services by subscription per user/household up to a max certain number of devices, that way no one could really complain. Some like Portugal only charge much less for radio services, which despite my little radio usage, Id consider reasonable.

€160 on the other hand is a much bigger chunk of change, with only ever increasing costs and never a reduction, its clear to see people will do what they can to avoid it. Even with the threatened introduction of the broadcasting charge saw no reduction in the cost even though there would be little or no administration costs and no staff or ancillary costs related to enforcement, which in itself creates a saving for those charging the fee and is an effective increase for those using it, they might have gotten off the hook with it if they implemented a reduction on this basis, but like the water charges, those implementing it and their, proles can eat cake attitude, meant they are just pushing too much too far.

Id suggest going off the radar and disposing of the tv for a while, its no pain to me, but others couldnt bear it no doubt, I dont watch tv online or have much interest in doing so, so couldnt care less, I barely listen to the radio anymore as its mostly tosh, although Id be ok to pay a much smaller licence fee for radio, but how do private companies square with that?
I certainly dont listen to Marion, Joe, Darcy or that nob Tubridy anyway.
Then if I feel like watching some tv, I'll go back to freeview as I am now and still paying the Irish sodding licence fee with not much means of access to the services Im being charged for.

zagmund

There was a case in d'papers today where a judge found in favour of a man who didn't pay "his" license for a TV that was in his house, but which he had no access to. It seems all is not as black and white (if you'll forgive the pun) as it seems with this "you MUST have a license" malarkey.

z

bluemartin

zagmund wrote: »

There was a case in d'papers today where a judge found in favour of a man who didn't pay "his" license for a TV that was in his house, but which he had no access to. It seems all is not as black and white (if you'll forgive the pun) as it seems with this "you MUST have a license" malarkey.

z

Which paper?

ABajaninCork

The Examiner

dingus12

I have a tv in the house which is incapable of receiving a tv signal as it is not plugged into any aerial and is not a digital tv, nor do I have a digi box. The tv is used for an Xbox monitor . The Xbox is not connected to the internet. Do I need a tv licence?

Tin Foil Hat

8-10 wrote: »

If everyone paid their licence then there would be no need for ads and inspectors.

Hahahahaha! You think there wouldn't be ads if we were 100% compliant with the TV licence? That's hilarious. RTE is a commercial station. Worse - it's the worse possible bastardisation of commercial TV and government mouthpiece.

8-10 wrote: »

Bizarre and annoying how people think they can have a TV and not pay a licence.

Hardly. I don't pay a licence fee to Galtee for owning a frying pan. Galtee charge me directly if I choose to use their product. RTE can do the same.
The TV licence made sense 30 or 40 years ago, when there was no other reason to own a TV other than to watch RTE. Those days are long gone. I have hundreds of channels on my TV, and half a dozen devices connected to it - blu ray, wii, laptop, internet, sky box, phone.
I don't own a TV to watch RTE, so I don't see why they should get €160 of my money per year just for having one.
I resent the TV licence, and can't wait to see it gone.

bluemartin

ABajaninCork wrote: »

The Examiner

very good, I must say I felt sorry for the poor man living in the same house as his ex but that's for another thread.

he won his case against An post and fair play to him!

iPink

I was wondering about my situation. .. I'm moving into rented accommodation next week... I don't have a TV, never had, hate them & the trash that's on them. ..
I am a single parent in a very bad financial situation... I have a lot of debt etc so just paying for the sake of it isn't an option.
However, there is a satellite dish on the side of the house which had nothing to dob with me. .. How can I prove that I don't actually own a TV...??
I wouldn't mind if I could afford Sky or something to watch some quality documentaries, nature programs etc but really hate any of the sh1t that I could watch free... prefer to read a book!!
So my question is- how does one actually prove that one does not in fact own a television??
TIA