2015 TI Race Calendar

mossym

Sorry if you thought this was announcing it's release, but just a mini rant

This time last year we had the calendar a month already. This year TI said they wanted to get it out earlier, so obviously it's December and we're still waiting.

Our esteemed mod of three characters asked on SM and was told released end of this week.

Pretty sure early bird for one race at least has already closed, which is a little unfair, especially given it's likely to be a NS race.

Here's hoping we see it this week, cause the closer we get to xmas the less chance we'll see it this side of 2015.

Fiftyplus

TI National Series Calendar released today - no lack of choice with 29 NS races on age groupers circuit! Any idea what has happened to Joey Hannon?

Shedite27

It's here!!!!
http://triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=2055


National Championships

• Sprint: Pulse Port Beach Triathlon 29/09/2015
• Standard: Vodafone Dublin City Triathlon 23/08/2015
• Middle: triAthlone 04/07/2015
• Aquathlon: Galway Aquathlon Festival 11/07/2015
• Mixed Team Relay: JustTri Club Relay 20/06/2015
• Duathlon: TBC

National Series

• Sligo Triathlon Club Pool Sprint 19/04/2015 (Sprint)
• Liam Ball Triathlon 03/05/2015 (Sprint)
• Valentia Island Sprint Triathlon 16/05/2015 (Sprint)
• TRI 795 CARLOW 17/05/2015 (Sprint)
• Lough Cutra Castle Triathlon 24/05/2015 (Standard)
• TriAthy Sprint 2015 30/05/2015 (Sprint)
• Crooked Lake Triathlon 06/06/2015 (Sprint)
• Westport Sprint Traithlon 06/06/2015 (Sprint)
• Fastnet Triathlon 07/06/2015 (Sprint)
• Tri An Mhi CXIII Middle Distance Triathlon 13/06/2015 (Middle)
• firmus energy city of derry sprint triathlon 14/06/2015 (Sprint)
• Hook or By Crook 13/06/2015 (Sprint)
• Hell of the West 27/06/2015 (Standard)
• triAthlone (Middle NC) 04/07/2015 (Middle)
• Sligo Tri Club Lissadell Standard 19/07/2015 (Standard)
• I-TRI Ennis Sprint 25/07/2015 (Sprint)
• King of the Hill 25/07/2015 (Sprint)
• Belfast Titanic Triathlon 26/07/2015 (Standard)
• Tri The Lough 01/08/2015 (Sprint)
• Predator Sprint Triathlon 02/08/2015 (Sprint)
• Caroline Kearney 08/08/2015 (Standard)
• Lough Neagh Triathlon 15/08/2015 (Sprint)
• Vodafone Dublin City Triathlon 23/08/2015 (Standard)
• Lakeside Triathlon 29/08/2015 (Sprint)
• Mourne Triathlon - Olympian Triathlon Club 29/08/2015 (Sprint)
• The Lost Sheep 05/09/2015 (Middle)
• Lough Key Tri 06/09/2015 (Sprint)
• Blacksod Point Challenge Triathlon 19/09/2015 (Standard)
• Pulse Port Beach Triathlon 26/09/2015 (Sprint)

Cat 1 Super Series: See other thread

catweazle

Fiftyplus wrote: »

TI National Series Calendar released today - no lack of choice with 29 NS races on age groupers circuit! Any idea what has happened to Joey Hannon?

It could be still on but looks like its not a NS event this year, any word on when other non NS races will be released or will it be done in a piecemeal way?

tunney

How come Dublin 70.30 isn't there as Long Distance Championship?

mossym

Fiftyplus wrote: »

Any idea what has happened to Joey Hannon?

i'm sure will still be running, just not an NS race this year, wasn't last year either was it?

mossym

posted this in other thread but more relevant here

7 in munster, but 3 in the one month in june, 2 on the same day in july,another 1 of them a middle distance race. i know it's too easy to complain about these things, and people give out too much, but that's a poor spread

that said, i may end up with 4 NS races this year, not by intent though.

Fiftyplus

Any knowledge of Carlow sprint (obviously a pool one)

tunney

Now to pick races. Never done Valentia. Tempted but the cold water in May...... Actually thats not a problem, sure the swim will be cancelled if they see a wave or have to put on a jumper.

Kurt Godel

Fiftyplus wrote: »

Any knowledge of Carlow sprint (obviously a pool one)

Glad to see this back. If its the same as previous, a 25m outdoor pool in Bunclody, twisty backroads bike with some hills, and a hilly out and back run.

There can be a lot of hanging around if you're in one of the faster swim waves!

rooneyjm

No Two Provence's on the list. That's disappointing, great race on closed roads and gets better and better every yr.

griffin100

Kurt Godel wrote: »

Glad to see this back. If its the same as previous, a 25m outdoor pool in Bunclody, twisty backroads bike with some hills, and a hilly out and back run.

There can be a lot of hanging around if you're in one of the faster swim waves!

It's not the same this year. It's in Carlow as opposed to Wexford (geography not your strongest point Kurt ) and it's a river swim. After that not sure, I'm not involved in the organisation of this one.

niamh.foley

catweazle wrote: »

It could be still on but looks like its not a NS event this year, any word on when other non NS races will be released or will it be done in a piecemeal way?

It wasnt a NS race either last year

niamh.foley

tunney wrote: »

Now to pick races. Never done Valentia. Tempted but the cold water in May...... Actually thats not a problem, sure the swim will be cancelled if they see a wave or have to put on a jumper.

Still Swimming in the Sea it nice, not as cold as last year. Sea Temp is still around 9-10
Pros ..... No JellyFish and a big plus is no sh*t talk from people telling you they are a Triathlete, as by now they are all wrapped up in there Christmas jumpers for the winter and hitting the pools.

Cons.. Brain Frezzee and big waves to swim

Kurt Godel

niamh.foley wrote: »

Still Swimming in the Sea it nice, not as cold as last year. Sea Temp is still around 9-10
Pros ..... No JellyFish and a big plus is no sh*t talk from people telling you they are a Triathlete, as by now they are all wrapped up in there Christmas jumpers for the winter and hitting the pools.

Cons.. Brain Frezzee and big waves to swim

"The swim portion may be cancelled if the official water temperature is lower than 15ºC"

That's the problem right there, at those sort of temps you won't be hearing any sh*t talk from any wetsuited Triathletes in Valentia. Very risky to have it in May, given the current ITU temperature rules. Pity, because its a great part of the world for a swim.

tunney

niamh.foley wrote: »

Still Swimming in the Sea it nice, not as cold as last year. Sea Temp is still around 9-10
Pros ..... No JellyFish and a big plus is no sh*t talk from people telling you they are a Triathlete, as by now they are all wrapped up in there Christmas jumpers for the winter and hitting the pools.

Cons.. Brain Frezzee and big waves to swim

Given the Dublin 70.30 will be "bringing so many into the sport" you can expect a much higher rate of swim cancellations this year.

niamh.foley

never knew about that Rule of the Sea Temp having to be 15ºC

how come the Castle Tri in Galway was left off last year in May water was meant to very cold.

Kurt Godel

niamh.foley wrote: »

never knew about that Rule of the Sea Temp having to be 15ºC

how come the Castle Tri in Galway was left off last year in May water was meant to very cold.

Because the Castle Tri people are more enlightened! It was cold, but a great swim (and well within the reach of the many 8-10 year olds who swam there too). ITU water temp rules are too strict for our shores and climate: TI should adapt the BTU rules on temps for these isles, and so less swims would be canceled (and people would not have to travel long distances in uncertainty that the swim might be canceled).

pot p

griffin100 wrote: »

It's not the same this year. It's in Carlow as opposed to Wexford (geography not your strongest point Kurt ) and it's a river swim. After that not sure, I'm not involved in the organisation of this one.

Part of bunclody is in Carlow

68 lost souls

Have mine picked provided I am fit by May 30th. Many of them are the ones I had to pull out of last year so hopefully I can stay injury free for them this year.

peter kern

i think this is improvement and maybe once in a while we should talk about the postive rather than nitpiking about thinks that can go wrong.

Well done T1 its never going to be prefect for everybody but its a huge improvement
higher quality fields more nat sieres races so everybody should be happy cmpared to the last few years .

mossym

niamh.foley wrote: »

a big plus is no sh*t talk from people telling you they are a Triathlete, as by now they are all wrapped up in there Christmas jumpers for the winter and hitting the pools.

better off avoiding all the races listed there so. there is a good chance there could be some of those sh&te talking triathletes at those.

Kurt Godel

peter kern wrote: »

i think this is improvement and maybe once in a while we should talk about the postive rather than nitpiking about thinks that can go wrong.

Well done T1 its never going to be prefect for everybody but its a huge improvement
higher quality fields more nat sieres races so everybody should be happy cmpared to the last few years .

Point taken Peter- its a fair geographical spread, lots of choice for the four scoring NS races, and I guess races in May or Sept you pays your money and takes your chances, but they are a better option than no race at all in those months.

Carlow, Lough Cutra, HOBK, CK, and Pulse are going in my Calendar.

MojoMaker

Anybody managed to view the full calendar including the non-NS races? I went for a peek yesterday but got a website error under the "Enter Races" link. Hoping to see some personal favourites Tri an Mhi and Beast of the East back on the calendar.

Looks like they've listened to some of the moans at least

bryangiggsy

Can anyone answer the following questions?

Has the age group national championships (at standard and sprint) been now replaced by the Category 1 National championships? ie. No competition in the age groups ?

And the only competition for the other 95% is defunct National Series were you can cheat your way to the top by racing obscure races were no one else turns up?

Forward thinking at its best.

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Can anyone answer the following questions?

Has the age group national championships (at standard and sprint) been now replaced by the Category 1 National championships? ie. No competition in the age groups ?

And the only competition for the other 95% is defunct National Series were you can cheat your way to the top by racing obscure races were no one else turns up?

Forward thinking at its best.

Just call yourself an AG champ.
I was 30-34 AG NS champ last year*


*No one cares so no will check

sconhome

niamh.foley wrote: »

how come the Castle Tri in Galway was left off last year in May water was meant to very cold.

They weren't 'let off'. The temperature rules apply to everyone however due to the black rock / soil in Lough Cutra and it being a man made lake it stays warmer for longer and warms up quicker than most other bodies of fresh water.

Probably one of the few early races that are unlikely to be shortened or cancelled.

niamh.foley

ok, thanks for clearing that up.

zico10

I'm assuming there'll be promotion to division 1 in 2016 based on the NS next year. The criticism of the National Series for a good few years was that it was too easy to pick easy races to score in. I thought this had been tightened up over the last few years. Whatever one's thoughts on the fairness of draft legal racing, at least for the top guys in category 1, with such a small number of races in the super series, there'll be no avoiding the stronger athletes. This won't be the case in the new expanded NS. Depending on who turns up I think some very cheap points could be picked up in certain races. Whether this is the way qualification for Division 1 in 2016 works or not, the final standings in the NS next season will more than likely not be an accurate reflection of the talent within that category.

I think TI are right to introduce the super series, but there was no need to introduce it at the expense of the National Series. If racing NS appeals to you, you should be prepared to travel. Having an equal number of races spread out across the country takes the competition out of it. Somebody who picks four races in Ulster has not been competing against someone who races four times in Munster.

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

Just call yourself an AG champ.
I was 30-34 AG NS champ last year*


*No one cares so no will check

LOL when do i pick up my medal

Everyone that knows me knows my gripe is the best races is were you have the best competition accross all the age groups. This has always been the National Championships. Now its the 5% National Champs unless im wrong

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

LOL when do i pick up my medal

Everyone that knows me knows my gripe is the best races is were you have the best competition accross all the age groups. This has always been the National Championships. Now its the 5% National Champs unless im wrong

Putting an order in for 8001 medals from Bright Promotions so all 8000 members can be winners too.

Anyways the NC and NS is so last year, next year is all about Dublin 70.30 and the tattoos.

niamh.foley

tunney wrote: »

Putting an order in for 8001 medals from Bright Promotions so all 8000 members can be winners too.

Anyways the NC and NS is so last year, next year is all about Dublin 70.30 and the tattoos.

You getting a 70.3 Tattoo ??

Speaking about Tattoos i think i wouldnt get an Ironman one but i would get an Isklar Norseman tattoo

ray o

tunney wrote: »

tattoos.

peter kern

Ti had driven the nat series in the ground and nobody in their right frame of mind would have cared about it anyway in the last 2-3 years ( as 300 finsiher in 2014 suggest it was just a joke)
so the nat sereies will not lose importance if you know what I mean ... and the draft legal races will be good for juniors etc.
for people that cant/ wont swim there is duathlons and middle distance champs. so nobody really loses out.
i would agree to that every 2nd year the oly nat champs should be non draft legal but given the fact that we did not have draft legal champs for so long its fair to have both sprint and oly drafting next year.


i guarantee you that kilkee will still be the strongest field outside the nat champs like every year so you wanna race a good field go there.

zico10 wrote: »

I'm assuming there'll be promotion to division 1 in 2016 based on the NS next year. The criticism of the National Series for a good few years was that it was too easy to pick easy races to score in. I thought this had been tightened up over the last few years. Whatever one's thoughts on the fairness of draft legal racing, at least for the top guys in category 1, with such a small number of races in the super series, there'll be no avoiding the stronger athletes. This won't be the case in the new expanded NS. Depending on who turns up I think some very cheap points could be picked up in certain races. Whether this is the way qualification for Division 1 in 2016 works or not, the final standings in the NS next season will more than likely not be an accurate reflection of the talent within that category.

I think TI are right to introduce the super series, but there was no need to introduce it at the expense of the National Series. If racing NS appeals to you, you should be prepared to travel. Having an equal number of races spread out across the country takes the competition out of it. Somebody who picks four races in Ulster has not been competing against someone who races four times in Munster.

bryangiggsy

How many people in Cat one will swim 20 mins and under in the National OlyChamps...i would guess 6 or 7... put that 6 or 7 together on the bike and thats your first seven home...everyone else fighting for scraps no?

tunney

niamh.foley wrote: »

You getting a 70.3 Tattoo ??

Speaking about Tattoos i think i wouldnt get an Ironman one but i would get an Isklar Norseman tattoo

Yup.

Much like people don't seem to need to swim to do the Dublin 70.30 I reckon I don't actually need to do the race to get a "Dublin 70.30" tatoo.

Reckon that swim might suit you alright.

tunney

peter kern wrote: »

i guarantee you that kilkee will still be the strongest field outside the nat champs like every year so you wanna race a good field go there.

Yeah but what if someone doesn't want to do draft legal racing?

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

How many people in Cat one will swim 20 mins and under in the National OlyChamps...i would guess 6 or 7... put that 6 or 7 together on the bike and thats your first seven home...everyone else fighting for scraps no?

Nope, you'll have the 22-23 minute uber bikes who will drag others back to the first back swimmers.

peter kern

bryangiggsy wrote: »

How many people in Cat one will swim 20 mins and under in the National OlyChamps...i would guess 6 or 7... put that 6 or 7 together on the bike and thats your first seven home...everyone else fighting for scraps no?

i assume for the sprint there will be quite a few sub 20 min level juniors.

and there will also be enough cyclists that can form a team and catch up and trust me the stong cyclists will still do well and it will be a bit like gomez against mola in Itu or spirig againt the rest of the filed.

peter kern

tunney wrote: »

Yeah but what if someone doesn't want to do draft legal racing?

well nobody has to . its their choice if they want to do it

BTH

bryangiggsy wrote: »

How many people in Cat one will swim 20 mins and under in the National OlyChamps...i would guess 6 or 7... put that 6 or 7 together on the bike and thats your first seven home...everyone else fighting for scraps no?

In a championship race that would more or less be the case whether it's draft legal or not. I really don't get your gripe with the whole thing. All it does is devalue a defunct competition, and should raise the profile of the (somewhat) meaningful championship races.

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

Nope, you'll have the 22-23 minute uber bikes who will drag others back to the first back swimmers.

I disagree......the top swimmers..o brien,mintern,thornton,sexton,bolger will not be caught on the bike unless BMC is planning on doing a few races and its been a long time since he swam 22-23 mins

bryangiggsy

BTH wrote: »

In a championship race that would more or less be the case whether it's draft legal or not. I really don't get your gripe with the whole thing. All it does is devalue a defunct competition, and should raise the profile of the (somewhat) meaningful championship races.

My only gripe is i love competition

zico10

Whether you think it's a joke or not Peter, I can assure you some people do care about the NS. Whatever level these people are at and whether they're misguided or not, doesn't matter. TI had a chance to improve the NS and they haven't. They've made it worse, that's my point. The super series should see meaningful races. Why couldn't the same have been done for the NS. People who complained they had to travel the length and breadth of the country to do a NS race shouldn't have been listened to. Have a much smaller number of races evenly spread out over the whole country. Then everybody at some point will have to travel. If you want to complete the NS, you then do all the races, simple as that. If people had issues entering races, TI should have deal with that. There was no need to solve the problem by granting a huge number of races around the country NS status.

peter kern

and all those guys are pretty good non drafting so it will not change that much
but since ti has decided not to officiate races
drafting seems to me a fairaer decision than non drafting without draft marshalls .

niamh.foley

zico10 wrote: »

There was no need to solve the problem by granting a huge number of races around the country NS status.

Its not a Bad thing having more NS races around the Country somepeople don't have cars or have families and that they cant afford to Travel the Lenght of the Country to do a NS..

peter kern

300 out of 9500 members speaks clearly that thats less than 4 %
they listend to people and reduced races and they dodnt have to travel as much.
so they have not made it worse for 96% of athletes

zico10 wrote: »

Whether you think it's a joke or not Peter, I can assure you some people do care about the NS. Whatever level these people are at and whether they're misguided or not, doesn't matter. TI had a chance to improve the NS and they haven't. They've made it worse, that's my point. The super series should see meaningful races. Why couldn't the same have been done for the NS. People who complained they had to travel the length and breadth of the country to do a NS race shouldn't have been listened to. Have a much smaller number of races evenly spread out over the whole country. Then everybody at some point will have to travel. If you want to complete the NS, you then do all the races, simple as that. If people had issues entering races, TI should have deal with that. There was no need to solve the problem by granting a huge number of races around the country NS status.

tunney

zico10 wrote: »

Whether you think it's a joke or not Peter, I can assure you some people do care about the NS. Whatever level these people are at and whether they're misguided or not, doesn't matter. TI had a chance to improve the NS and they haven't. They've made it worse, that's my point. The super series should see meaningful races. Why couldn't the same have been done for the NS. People who complained they had to travel the length and breadth of the country to do a NS race shouldn't have been listened to. Have a much smaller number of races evenly spread out over the whole country. Then everybody at some point will have to travel. If you want to complete the NS, you then do all the races, simple as that. If people had issues entering races, TI should have deal with that. There was no need to solve the problem by granting a huge number of races around the country NS status.

For some reason* I dislike agreeing with you wholeheartedly, but here I do.

*Could be the whole power meter versus dream catcher thingy

zico10

niamh.foley wrote: »

Its not a Bad thing having more NS races around the Country somepeople don't have cars or have families and that they cant afford to Travel the Lenght of the Country to do a NS..

Some people can't afford bikes or wetsuits, what about them? It might seem harsh, but if you can't afford to do something, don't do it.

tunney

niamh.foley wrote: »

Its not a Bad thing having more NS races around the Country somepeople don't have cars or have families and that they cant afford to Travel the Lenght of the Country to do a NS..

Imagine the Dublin Senior Football club league.
Now merge that with the Kerry and Mayo ones.
Through in Cork too.

Now lets pick a winner based on who gets the most points but crucially never have them play teams from other counties.

niamh.foley

zico10 wrote: »

Some people can't afford bikes or wetsuits, what about them? It might seem harsh, but if you can't afford to do something, don't do it.

Fine but look at what they are doing they are after Creating a Super Series for CAT 1 Athletes which will force them to race each other more often,

Do away with the NC and just have a CAT 1 Race and a NS race for Age Groupers