2016 - A New Rising?

Don Kedick

"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs."

- James Connolly

James Connolly has been proved correct. We just changed the colour of our flag. We moved from an English ruling class to an Irish one. We've had nearly a century of misrule from Fianna Fáil/Cumann na nGaedhea/the Blueshirts. A century where they shared their time eating at the trough while many Irish lived in poverty or were forced to emigrate.

There is growing anger in this state, people have had enough. They want change. We see growing numbers attending protests, more groups forming that oppose how this state is run. If Fianna Fáil and the Blueshirts form a coalition after the next election will that be the spark that ignites the flames?

Kill two birds with one stone. 100 years after the Easter Rising we finally take the power away from the ruling class and hand it to the people. It's what the great men and women who died a century ago wanted. Up to now they died in vein. Let the commemoration of the Rising inspire us, let's make this the Ireland it should have been.

cloud493

Wow what an original after hours topic. Well done OP.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Sounds like the ill-conceived scribblings of an angry idealistic student...

Don Kedick

cloud493 wrote: »

Wow what an original after hours topic. Well done OP.

Well done on not actually reading the OP.

hmmm

Blueshirts this and Rising that. Can SF supporters not "move on" (as they keep telling us) from what happend 100 years ago.

BoJack Horseman

Don Keddick = Man of the people.

cloud493

OP is a bit long to read TBH.

padd b1975

If only our Government was democratically elected.....

Oh wait, it is.


Case closed.

Don Kedick

hmmm wrote: »

Blueshirts this and Rising that. Can SF supporters not "move on" (as they keep telling us) from what happend 100 years ago.

I'm not a SF supporter.

SEPT 23 1989

The hundred year anniversary could not come at a worse time for the establishment in the state

it will be very interesting time to be alive in this country

ScumLord

It's all a stop gap until Skynet gets here. I'm not convinced by all the bad press. I think Skynet will be a good thing.

Don Kedick

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Don Keddick = Man of the people.

My supporters have told me to drop the endline, it might return later however.

cloud493

I'm waiting for David Tennants doctor who personally. He'll save us.

Don Kedick

padd b1975 wrote: »

If only our Government was democratically elected.....

Oh wait, it is.


Case closed.

The well off have voted them in for nearly a century, it's time the poor united.

twin_beacon

Don Kedick wrote: »

"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs."

- James Connolly

James Connolly has been proved correct. We just changed the colour of our flag. We moved from an English ruling class to an Irish one. We've had nearly a century of misrule from Fianna Fáil/Cumann na nGaedhea/the Blueshirts. A century where they shared their time eating at the trough while many Irish lived in poverty or were forced to emigrate.

There is growing anger in this state, people have had enough. They want change. We see growing numbers attending protests, more groups forming that oppose how this state is run. If Fianna Fáil and the Blueshirts form a coalition after the next election will that be the spark that ignites the flames?

Kill two birds with one stone. 100 years after the Easter Rising we finally take the power away from the ruling class and hand it to the people. It's what the great men and women who died a century ago wanted. Up to now they died in vein. Let the commemoration of the Rising inspire us, let's make this the Ireland it should have been.

exactly, maybe we could let the people of Ireland decide who rules them.
How would we go about doing this? Like have our own government where you have to be elected by the people of the country. One person, one vote. wait, don't we already have that???

Don Kedick

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The hundred year anniversary could not come at a worse time for the establishment in the state

it will be very interesting time to be alive in this country

The establishment and the hangers on are scared, they want to play down this anniversary.

twin_beacon

Don Kedick wrote: »

The well off have voted them in for nearly a century, it's time the poor united.

so, your unhappy the people you voter for are not in power? sorry, but thats democracy for you.

Kermit.de.frog

Don Kedick wrote: »

"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organization of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole array of commercial and individualist institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs."

- James Connolly

James Connolly has been proved correct. We just changed the colour of our flag. We moved from an English ruling class to an Irish one. We've had nearly a century of misrule from Fianna Fáil/Cumann na nGaedhea/the Blueshirts. A century where they shared their time eating at the trough while many Irish lived in poverty or were forced to emigrate.

There is growing anger in this state, people have had enough. They want change. We see growing numbers attending protests, more groups forming that oppose how this state is run. If Fianna Fáil and the Blueshirts form a coalition after the next election will that be the spark that ignites the flames?

Kill two birds with one stone. 100 years after the Easter Rising we finally take the power away from the ruling class and hand it to the people. It's what the great men and women who died a century ago wanted. Up to now they died in vein. Let the commemoration of the Rising inspire us, let's make this the Ireland it should have been.

Maybe some of us don't want to live in a North Atlantic Cuba OP.

Don Kedick

Groups with a common interest must unite. The political process is a sham. The Dáil and its inhabitants have failed us.

BoJack Horseman

twin_beacon wrote: »

so, your unhappy the people you voter for are not in power? sorry, but thats democracy for you.

Communists care not for democracy.

"Rising" (whatever that is supposed to mean) is far more important.

Skylinehead

ScumLord wrote: »

It's all a stop gap until Skynet gets here. I'm not convinced by all the bad press. I think Skynet will be a good thing.

I for one welcome our bodybuilding, cheesy-acting, California-governing overlords.

Don Kedick

twin_beacon wrote: »

so, your unhappy the people you voter for are not in power? sorry, but thats democracy for you.

I don't vote for anyone. Like many others as we don't have a voice. No-one is speaking for us. It's time to change that.

Kermit.de.frog

ScumLord wrote: »

It's all a stop gap until Skynet gets here. I'm not convinced by all the bad press. I think Skynet will be a good thing.

The delivery company?

http://www.skynet.net/english/us/home.asp

padd b1975

Don Kedick wrote: »

The well off have voted them in for nearly a century, it's time the poor united.

There's actually nothing stopping them, that's the beauty of democracy.

A concept which seems to be lost on you.

Skylinehead

Don Kedick wrote: »

I don't vote for anyone. Like many others as we don't have a voice. No-one is speaking for us. It's time to change that.

Maybe vote then? Just a thought.

Don Kedick

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Communists care not for democracy.

"Rising" (whatever that is supposed to mean) is far more important.

Capitalists don't care for people. Money is all that matters to them.

Falthyron

You should write for the Daily Mail. So much sensationalist sentiment in a couple of paragraphs, with a side-order of James Connolly quotation for that extra punch; delicious tabloid reading.

First of all, as much as it suits us and those with OCD, 'events' don't happen in perfect anniversary fashion. Secondly, revolutions (as it would seem you are calling for) are organised and incited by the Middle Class; can't see them handing over power to 'the people' after doing most of the organising and work. And finally, most of what you write is assumption and you do a great disservice to historical revolutions by suggesting Ireland is on the brink of some sort of social and cultural catastrophe. Perhaps you should look at Russia in 1917 as a good example of how bad things have to get before a modicum of 'revolution' even begins to stir in Ireland.

kneemos

I'd vote for the socialists if they weren't a crowd of headbangers.

BoJack Horseman

Don Kedick wrote: »

Capitalists don't care for people. Money is all that matters to them.

List us the communist nations renowned for being 'people friendly'

Don Kedick

Skylinehead wrote: »

Maybe vote then? Just a thought.

There's no-one to vote for. The people must rise together to make this the country we want.

padd b1975

cloud493 wrote: »

I'm waiting for David Tennants doctor who personally. He'll save us.

No match for Hank Scorpio.

Tabnabs

Don Kedick wrote: »

Kill two birds with one stone. 100 years after the Easter Rising we finally take the power away from the ruling class and hand it to the people. It's what the great men and women who died a century ago wanted. Up to now they died in vein. Let the commemoration of the Rising inspire us, let's make this the Ireland it should have been.

<man of the people> Hi, yeah, I'd like two factories, a cotton mill and a country estate? Actually yes, I would like to go large on that. :pac:

Kermit.de.frog

Don Kedick wrote: »

There's no-one to vote for. The people must rise together to make this the country we want.

Who is "we"? Maybe the majority don't want what you want.

ScumLord

Don Kedick wrote: »

Groups with a common interest must unite. The political process is a sham. The Dáil and its inhabitants have failed us.

What if I don't share any interests with the rest of the group, should I do terrorism instead?

Don Kedick wrote: »

I don't vote for anyone. Like many others as we don't have a voice. No-one is speaking for us. It's time to change that.

By voting for someone?

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The delivery company?

http://www.skynet.net/english/us/home.asp

Skynet is a south American delivery company, didn't see that one coming.

padd b1975

Don Kedick wrote: »

There's no-one to vote for. The people must rise together to make this the country we want.

Put your name forward next time out.

Don Kedick

Falthyron wrote: »

You should write for the Daily Mail. So much sensationalist sentiment in a couple of paragraphs, with a side-order of James Connolly quotation for that extra punch; delicious tabloid reading.

First of all, as much as it suits us and those with OCD, 'events' don't happen in perfect anniversary fashion. Secondly, revolutions (as it would seem you are calling for) are organised and incited by the Middle Class; can't see them handing over power to 'the people' after doing most of the organising and work. And finally, most of what you write is assumption and you do a great disservice to historical revolutions by suggesting Ireland is on the brink of some sort of social and cultural catastrophe. Perhaps you should look at Russia in 1917 as a good example of how bad things have to get before a modicum of 'revolution' even begins to stir in Ireland.

The anniversary will be the spark, we've had enough.

Aongus Von Bismarck

Don Kedick wrote: »

There's no-one to vote for. The people must rise together to make this the country we want.

Ah you can't beat a bit of unspecific rhetoric. The go to jargon of a spotty student socialist.

Falthyron

Don Kedick wrote: »

There's no-one to vote for. The people must rise together to make this the country we want.

Just loving the open, vacuous, ambigious, grandiose statements.

Perhaps you should lay out a plan? Some structure? What do you hope to achieve, and how? Where are your supporters? Where will you derive legitimacy since nobody will have voted for you and your merry band of upstarts?

Skylinehead

Don Kedick wrote: »

There's no-one to vote for. The people must rise together to make this the country we want.

Run for government yourself so.

padd b1975 wrote: »

No match for Hank Scorpio.

Beware of his generous pensions,
Plus three weeks paid vacation each year.

Don Kedick

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

List us the communist nations renowned for being 'people friendly'

This is not communism.

jamesbere

Don Kedick wrote: »

I don't vote for anyone. Like many others as we don't have a voice. No-one is speaking for us. It's time to change that.

Then run yourself in the next election, don't expect someone else to do it for you.

padd b1975

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

List us the communist nations renowned for being 'people friendly'

That Korean lad seems to be a happy go lucky sort.

cloud493

padd b1975 wrote: »

No match for Hank Scorpio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAUjzt5A6vc

BoJack Horseman

Falthyron wrote: »

Perhaps you should lay out a plan? Some structure? What do you hope to achieve, and how? Where are your supporters? Where will you derive legitimacy since nobody will have voted for you and your merry band of upstarts?

Nooooo.

Man of the people, Don has been trolling the politics forums for a while now.

Don't encourage him.

padd b1975

cloud493 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAUjzt5A6vc

A simply brilliant episode.

Don Kedick

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Who is "we"? Maybe the majority don't want what you want.

Wrong. The majority don't vote or vote for someone else who's not Fianna Fáil/the blueshirts.

ScumLord

Don Kedick wrote: »

The anniversary will be the spark, we've had enough.

I'm working that week and I want to buy a new office chair can we leave the revolution to the next week, I don't want my parcel to be delayed by the countries infrastructure falling apart and people eating each others faces off because we've run out of food.

Kermit.de.frog

Don Kedick wrote: »

This is not communism.

No all you want is everyone equal in poverty - except the dear leaders of course as every socialist/communist experiment in history has ended up being.

Should we re erect the Berlin Wall too? Maybe then you can go and share the fruits of the rebuilt utopia on the other side.

cloud493

padd b1975 wrote: »

A simply brilliant episode.

We need hank scorpio to save us.

Don Kedick

ScumLord wrote: »

What if I don't share any interests with the rest of the group, should I do terrorism instead?

By voting for someone?

Skynet is a south American delivery company, didn't see that one coming.

No.

Yes when the power is with the people.

padd b1975

Don Kedick wrote: »

Wrong. The majority don't vote or vote for someone else who's not Fianna Fáil/the blueshirts.

When was the last time voter turnout was below 50% in a general election?