Homemade shuttering - lessons

lakill Farm

Have an uncle who wants to shutter to 4ft 6" wall along a 20 ft wall from 1 rsj to another. Wall will be 9 inch

He had a lad organised to come do it but he let him down.

And now he is going to make up homemade shuttering from 3/4 shuttering ply and 3x4 timbers . He has the proper bolts and the bushing things got but myself and another uncle think he is crazy


So have you ever done this?

where could he hire shuttering to do a 20ft wall? based on Westmeath/ meath between castlepollard and clonmellon area

gazahayes

lakill Farm wrote: »

Have an uncle who wants to shutter to 4ft 6" wall along a 20 ft wall from 1 rsj to another. Wall will be 9 inch

He had a lad organised to come do it but he let him down.

And now he is going to make up homemade shuttering from 3/4 shuttering ply and 3x4 timbers . He has the proper bolts and the bushing things got but myself and another uncle think he is crazy


So have you ever done this?

where could he hire shuttering to do a 20ft wall? based on Westmeath/ meath between castlepollard and clonmellon area

He'd be better off using 22 foot length of 6 by 3 as the 4 by 3 wouldn't be strong enough in that length. Know of lads using them to do numerous sheds filled with a mixer to go on the front of a loading shovel. 4 foot would be a grand height with the 8by4 sheets of ply just to keep them down to the ground when pouring to stop them trying to float up

sh1tstirrer

Would a 6" solid block wall be a lot less hassle at that height?

lakill Farm

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

Would a 6" solid block wall be a lot less hassle at that height?

he wants to put a cattle crush on the outside of the wall :rolleyes:

severeoversteer

lakill Farm wrote: »

he wants to put a cattle crush on the outside of the wall :rolleyes:

4 inch block on flat would be plenty strong for keeping beasts in a crush

Kevhog1988

Thousands of houses were built in ireland that way, i cant see a problem but i would consider the 4 inch timbers too small. As said before a 4 inch wall on the flat should suffice either. What thickness is he planning on putting the wall?

lakill Farm

theemigrant wrote: »

Thousands of houses were built in ireland that way, i cant see a problem but i would consider the 4 inch timbers too small. As said before a 4 inch wall on the flat should suffice either. What thickness is he planning on putting the wall?

I think 12 inch :eek:

He must be going to get into elephants or jersey x bulls

Kevin McCloud

The shuttered wall would only be the thickness of the rsj no?

lakill Farm

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

The shuttered wall would only be the thickness of the rsj no?

RSJ is 6x3

td5man

lakill Farm wrote: »

RSJ is 6x3

8" wall , local lad had 8'×4' shutters made out of 4"×3" did hundreds of tanks with them.
Plenty of whirly bolts and they'll go nowhere.

onyerbikepat

td5man wrote: »

...whirly bolts...

??? What are they?

darragh_haven

onyerbikepat wrote: »

??? What are they?

They are like threaded bar with a large nut and plate washer to keep both sides of the shutter together

Ascii

I am all for having a go at doing something yourself but he needs to look at a few things first.

A 4" block wall is more than sufficient to handle any cattle that may be going through the crush if is built right. Don't want to come across as all sensible but from working in the civil engineering industry I see the pit falls and accidents that can happen with untrained workers and particularly in a year when farm accidents are at an all time high. its a lot more than plywood and whirly bar. No doubt the dodgy skill saw will come out from the shed, consaw, rebar cutting, manual handling mauling shutters, concrete splashes and burns, and working at heights are all pitfalls the untrained worker can miss. No disrespect but if he is anything like my uncle he would not even think of the above and bull on. Is the wall really worth a broken hip from a fall, jerked back or a lost finger ?

If he wants a cast in situ wall, get a chippy for couple of hundred sheets per day, you will find a few on the black market. If he had the whirly bar, acrows, 4x3, plywood, cramps and rebar a good chippy would have that knocked together in a good day and let you uncle pour it himself if he wants to put his mark on it.

Kevin McCloud

A vibrator is essential too.

RightTurnClyde

Tell him go off and get a precast wall, and bolt it to the two rsjs. When labour is included they work out just as cheap, and it's done in about 10 mins.
I'm never going to build a wall, so that I never have to knock again that's in the way.

td5man

Ascii wrote: »

I am all for having a go at doing something yourself but he needs to look at a few things first.

A 4" block wall is more than sufficient to handle any cattle that may be going through the crush if is built right. Don't want to come across as all sensible but from working in the civil engineering industry I see the pit falls and accidents that can happen with untrained workers and particularly in a year when farm accidents are at an all time high. its a lot more than plywood and whirly bar. No doubt the dodgy skill saw will come out from the shed, consaw, rebar cutting, manual handling mauling shutters, concrete splashes and burns, and working at heights are all pitfalls the untrained worker can miss. No disrespect but if he is anything like my uncle he would not even think of the above and bull on. Is the wall really worth a broken hip from a fall, jerked back or a lost finger ?

If he wants a cast in situ wall, get a chippy for couple of hundred sheets per day, you will find a few on the black market. If he had the whirly bar, acrows, 4x3, plywood, cramps and rebar a good chippy would have that knocked together in a good day and let you uncle pour it himself if he wants to put his mark on it.

As long as he has the appropriate cscs tickets, method statement/risk assessment and all the essential ppe he'll be grand.
A precast wall or floor slab would be the quickest and easiest way, i'd say you could get a second locally.

lakill Farm

td5man wrote: »

As long as he has the appropriate cscs tickets, method statement/risk assessment and all the essential ppe he'll be grand.
A precast wall or floor slab would be the quickest and easiest way, i'd say you could get a second locally.

Local quarry are expensive even for seconds

I sourced pans from a lad and he is adamant he is going to give it a go.

He is handy enough in all fairness, he has done the grounds, poured floor and stood the rsj and put on purlins.

Greengrass1

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Tell him go off and get a precast wall, and bolt it to the two rsjs. When labour is included they work out just as cheap, and it's done in about 10 mins.
I'm never going to build a wall, so that I never have to knock again that's in the way.

That's is best option. Were going to put then in here next yr for stub walls at cubicle ends

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

That's is best option. Were going to put then in here next yr for stub walls at cubicle ends

Panels are handy but if you have shutters you'll put up a wall very cheaply .

Greengrass1

td5man wrote: »

Panels are handy but if you have shutters you'll put up a wall very cheaply .

Will be doing majority if work ourselves but shutters might be there if we do tank so maybe yeah

Miname

lakill Farm wrote: »

Have an uncle who wants to shutter to 4ft 6" wall along a 20 ft wall from 1 rsj to another. Wall will be 9 inch

He had a lad organised to come do it but he let him down.

And now he is going to make up homemade shuttering from 3/4 shuttering ply and 3x4 timbers . He has the proper bolts and the bushing things got but myself and another uncle think he is crazy


So have you ever done this?

where could he hire shuttering to do a 20ft wall? based on Westmeath/ meath between castlepollard and clonmellon area

Its a pity your going 4 ft 6 rather than 4ft. Run a lenght of 4x2 the full lenght of the job and express fix it to the ground. drop in your home made pans behind it throw in your whirleys and a few props and alls hunky dory. its not rocket science in fairness, just dont forget to oil the pans and fix down the shutters cause when you start to vibrate they will be inclined to rise up and theres no getting them back down. 4x3's are plenty big enough.

foxy farmer

I have shutters here made back in 96. They measure 16ftx6. 3 sheets of 18mm ply 7 lengths of 6x2 and a 6x3 went into each.5 5ft soldiers made of 2 6x3 stand outside each shutter and the whirly bolts go tbrough th whole lot. When they're up God nor man wont shift them. Im actually putting them up here to do a wall outside a slatted house next week. I have pics of smaller 13x2 pans that I have also. I'll try to put them up.

ganmo

We had a man here doin some shuttering a few years back. It worked out cheaper to get him + his shutters rather than hiring them
He was a Carlow man living In Meath i would have no problem about bringing him back( if we were doin anythin like that again)

He did come out with a great line when he heard the price we were gettin the concrete at "sure at that price why bother with sheeting the walls at all"

locky76

fair play to him for giving it a go,
Health and safety is all well and good but we're losing the ability to do anything in this country with the over subscription to it.
As a pure coincidence I'm sitting a health and safety exam at 9 in the morning in UCD....

lakill Farm wrote: »

Local quarry are expensive even for seconds

I sourced pans from a lad and he is adamant he is going to give it a go.

He is handy enough in all fairness, he has done the grounds, poured floor and stood the rsj and put on purlins.

just do it

foxy farmer wrote: »

I have shutters here made back in 96. They measure 16ftx6. 3 sheets of 18mm ply 7 lengths of 6x2 and a 6x3 went into each.5 5ft soldiers made of 2 6x3 stand outside each shutter and the whirly bolts go tbrough th whole lot. When they're up God nor man wont shift them. Im actually putting them up here to do a wall outside a slatted house next week. I have pics of smaller 13x2 pans that I have also. I'll try to put them up.

Pics would be great

td5man

just do it wrote: »

Pics would be great

+1

foxy farmer

Unfortunately my IT skills arent the best. Trying to get photos from photo bucket to boards is a n fing pain in the ass.leave it with me. Trying it with nearly 2 hrs. Grŕr

Kovu

foxy farmer wrote: »

Unfortunately my IT skills arent the best. Trying to get photos from photo bucket to boards is a n fing pain in the ass.leave it with me. Trying it with nearly 2 hrs. Grŕr

This may help.

foxy farmer

Here goes

foxy farmer

As miley byrne would say well holy god. Stand by for more. Thats actually a shutter that I decommissioned last yeat due to damage.

keep going

My shutters are pallets that slate came in on from spain I think. They sheeted with 6x1s with 4x3 along the length and width.in all they are 8 inchs thick and measure 10ft by 4 ft 6.wouldnt do a big wall but handy to have all the same and we horse them around with the loader

foxy farmer

Maybe a few more

foxy farmer

And a few more

foxy farmer

The last for tonight

foxy farmer

The last for tonight

foxy farmer

Up on the trailer

just do it

Fair deuce foxy. You've definitely knocked value out of them

J DEERE

6 or 8 inch cavity block be fine too. Put row of bondbeam first row with rebar and cement. Run rebar up every four cells from foundation and grout

Man of Aran

foxy farmer wrote: »

I have shutters here made back in 96. They measure 16ftx6. 3 sheets of 18mm ply 7 lengths of 6x2 and a 6x3 went into each.5 5ft soldiers made of 2 6x3 stand outside each shutter and the whirly bolts go tbrough th whole lot. When they're up God nor man wont shift them. Im actually putting them up here to do a wall outside a slatted house next week. I have pics of smaller 13x2 pans that I have also. I'll try to put them up.

Nice shutters FoxyFarmer,,,, did you gain that experience in earlier days as a " concrete animal" with the Local 608 union boys in NYC or as a McAlpine fusilier in London perhaps like many of us?

foxy farmer

Man of Aran wrote: »

Nice shutters FoxyFarmer,,,, did you gain that experience in earlier days as a " concrete animal" with the Local 608 union boys in NYC or as a McAlpine fusilier in London perhaps like many of us?

You're on the ball!
Father worked on buildings in New York back in the sixties. Worked with a well known Cork construction firm up till 98. All his family had an addiction to concrete. Myself and 2 cousins have the same complaint.
I'll put up a few pics when I've them assembled. Probably monday now. Hope to get foundations finished tomorrow.

Kevhog1988

Man of Aran wrote: »

Nice shutters FoxyFarmer,,,, did you gain that experience in earlier days as a " concrete animal" with the Local 608 union boys in NYC or as a McAlpine fusilier in London perhaps like many of us?

Im at it at the moment... waiting to go on a night shift at the moment.... we build all our manholes from shuttered concrete.

foxy farmer

A few pics of one of the shutters nearly finished.

poor farmer

There grand shutters ,very handy to have a few around any farm