I badly need some career advice **Mod warning in post 1**

PutDownArtist

This is not a sob story. Indeed, my first 186 eu Supplementary Welfare Allowance cheque plopped through my letterbox this morning, so things are looking up ever so slightly.

But I really have been through hell recently(please see my first thread for full details), and it will be sometime before I recover from the horrific injures I sustained.

I am seeking some general career advice as to how I can turn around my fortunes and recover what is left of my life from the wreckage.

Educationally, all I have in my possession is a degree in History and Psychology. Since the financial crisis, I have sensed a definite hostility towards such degrees – most probably caused by even supposedly credible degree holders struggling to gain employment.

So what hope does an individual with no concrete work experience and a much maligned degree have? It depresses me no end thinking about how bleak my future looks at this particular juncture in my life.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

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allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

This is not a sob story. Indeed, my first 186 eu Supplementary Welfare Allowance cheque plopped through my letterbox this morning, so things are looking up ever so slightly.

But I really have been through hell recently(please see my first thread for full details), and it will be sometime before I recover from the horrific injures I sustained.

I am seeking some general career advice as to how I can turn around my fortunes and recover what is left of my life from the wreckage.

Educationally, all I have in my possession is a degree in History and Psychology. Since the financial crisis, I have sensed a definite hostility towards such degrees – most probably caused by even supposedly credible degree holders struggling to gain employment.

So what hope does an individual with no concrete work experience and a much maligned degree have? It depresses me no end thinking about how bleak my future looks at this particular juncture in my life.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

What type of role are you looking to get into. A good number of companies don't actually look at the degree you have, they look at the marks you have obtained in these.

This would be the first area we would look at.

Sorry also, but I could not find your first thread so don't know what happened to you.

Mrs OBumble

OP, I've just read your other threads, because this one was intriguing! It looks like you're making friends in lots of places :-)


It seems to me that the biggest thing going for you is your attitude: you had the guts to travel and take risks, and you have the guts to stand up to begrudges. That's a good thing, and will help you find meaningful work once your injuries are sorted. Hopefully it will also give you the stamina to hang in while they are.

One suggestion for you, for now: start a blog. Don't worry about making money (you can't for now, anyway, due to welfare rules) - just build readership, learn about SEO, analytics and how to measure your online performance. I'm saying this because you clearly can write well enough to post here, so it's something that you can actually do NOW, rather than just think about.

Longer term, what were you doing while working in the States? Possibly your experience will stand you, even if your tax-status didn't. Even if it was something physical that you can't manage any more, it may be that the industry you learned about will have some options for you.

Your life might feel like a train wreck right now - but that just means all the pieces are getting ready to be put back together again in a different shape. IMHO.

PutDownArtist

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP, I've just read your other threads, because this one was intriguing! It looks like you're making friends in lots of places :-)


It seems to me that the biggest thing going for you is your attitude: you had the guts to travel and take risks, and you have the guts to stand up to begrudges. That's a good thing, and will help you find meaningful work once your injuries are sorted. Hopefully it will also give you the stamina to hang in while they are.

One suggestion for you, for now: start a blog. Don't worry about making money (you can't for now, anyway, due to welfare rules) - just build readership, learn about SEO, analytics and how to measure your online performance. I'm saying this because you clearly can write well enough to post here, so it's something that you can actually do NOW, rather than just think about.

Longer term, what were you doing while working in the States? Possibly your experience will stand you, even if your tax-status didn't. Even if it was something physical that you can't manage any more, it may be that the industry you learned about will have some options for you.

Your life might feel like a train wreck right now - but that just means all the pieces are getting ready to be put back together again in a different shape. IMHO.

You're rapidly becoming my favourite poster on this site -- not that there's much competition.

Your advice is excellent: I should use this time in purgatory to do what I can to engineer a tunnel out of this sorry ruin I find myself in.

My work in the US was menial at best -- bar work mostly -- and did nothing to really boost my skill-set.

It's difficult to answer the question "what kind of role would you like?" when so many employers are so snooty about my type of degree. I appear to be very much in a 'beggars can't be choosers' situation.

I can be thankful that I have no debts, dependants or any kind of commitments. The fact that I'm not motivated by money is also a plus and really helped me tolerate the nomadic/hobo lifestyle.

I would happily work for a similar amount to my 186 eu stipend from the govt. if I had full freedom of movement or the hours were agreeable.

Beaner1

How many years since you graduated? How much work experience do you have and how much time on welfare?

Stheno

What areas would you like to work in?

And when will you be fit to work again?

PutDownArtist

Beaner1 wrote: »

How many years since you graduated? How much work experience do you have and how much time on welfare?

I graduated about 6 years ago and resided abroad until my recent accident. Any work I did was sporadic and temporary, but I had never claimed any out of work benefits until my recent return.

Stheno wrote: »

What areas would you like to work in?

And when will you be fit to work again?

When I consulted the so called career advisor in school all those years ago, my desire was to work as a freelance journalist. Unfortunately, the world economy has nosedived considerably since then and that job option is almost extinct.

When I will return to full fitness is subject to wild conjecture and depends to the vicissitudes of the inner workings of the HSE.

Stheno

PutDownArtist wrote: »

When I will return to full fitness is subject to wild conjecture and depends to the vicissitudes of the inner workings of the HSE.

Well to me that would be your biggest problem at the moment, no one will want to take on someone who is going to require sick leave (paid or unpaid) , or who can't pass a medical etc.

I'd sort out your health first, and then if you can find tests etc online that will give you an idea of where your aptitudes lie so you can check out roles/courses that may qualify you for what you want to do

yosser hughes

Sorry are we supposed to be aware of your medical problems?Please see your original thread? No! State the issues here, or is that too much trouble for you to take?
Are they preventing you from working? Get a job, any job and there are jobs out there. Then go from there. It's easier to get another job when you have one already.
Forget about journalism/writing; there is no money or jobs in it anymore. No matter how 'gifted' you think you may be in that area.

InReality

According to "what color is your parachute" recommends that the more specific you are about the job you want to do the better. It has some research that shows you are more likely to get a job offer in this case.

Mrs OBumble

yosser hughes wrote: »

Sorry are we supposed to be aware of your medical problems?Please see your original thread? No! State the issues here, or is that too much trouble for you to take?
Are they preventing you from working? Get a job, any job and there are jobs out there. Then go from there. It's easier to get another job when you have one already.
Forget about journalism/writing; there is no money or jobs in it anymore. No matter how 'gifted' you think you may be in that area.

The OP has a new account, so cannot post links to his/her previous thread himself. The story is quite long - and actually isn't that relevant to the post here looking for career advice, except that it details the injuries that s/he is currently recovering from and how they happened. And besides, it really isn't that hard to click your mouse on the username and find previous posts by the poster.

yosser hughes wrote: »

Forget about journalism/writing; there is no money or jobs in it anymore. No matter how 'gifted' you think you may be in that area.

Have you a source for that claim? Last time I noticed, PR consultants (who are just journos paid to push an agenda) were doing OK.

MouseTail

I understand that misfortune has befallen you, but I think you need an attitudinal adjustment before seeking work. You have been incredibly rude to helpful posters, and are negative towards DSP, HSE, and Boards members.

This is not personal issues, but it seems to me you have not come to terms with your new reality, and are directing anger in a inappropriate way. I think you need to deal with that first, and the blog suggestion upthread could be an effective way of doing so.

allibastor

Maybe an internet blog or Youtube account of yourself and how you deal with your own particular problem set could be the answer.

You may be in receipt of social welfare now, but maybe use that to bootstrap yourself into something else. There are a good amount of people making money from youtube for pure rubbish, so if you document yourself on your road to recovery etc it could at least get your name out there.

PutDownArtist

MouseTail wrote: »

I understand that misfortune has befallen you, but I think you need an attitudinal adjustment before seeking work. You have been incredibly rude to helpful posters, and are negative towards DSP, HSE, and Boards members.

This is not personal issues, but it seems to me you have not come to terms with your new reality, and are directing anger in a inappropriate way. I think you need to deal with that first, and the blog suggestion upthread could be an effective way of doing so.

I don't accept for one second that I've been cantankerous with the posters who have attempted to offer advice and/or sympathy.

It is true that I've had to bulldoze a few ignorant, unfair and downright inhumane arguments pertaining to me, but I make no apologies for defending myself from these individuals.

allibastor wrote: »

Maybe an internet blog or Youtube account of yourself and how you deal with your own particular problem set could be the answer.

You may be in receipt of social welfare now, but maybe use that to bootstrap yourself into something else. There are a good amount of people making money from youtube for pure rubbish, so if you document yourself on your road to recovery etc it could at least get your name out there.

I would definitely prefer writing to Youtubing. Wathing some of those Vlogs makes me naucious such is the stench of desperation that they emit. But it is a very good idea to start a blog; the difficult part is actually gaining financially in the lnger term.

I want to reiterate that my primary motivation is not money. It never was nor will be.

In my dying moments I'll need better memories to grasp to than paying a chunky tax bill so I can use it as a weapon to look down on others.

PutDownArtist

PutDownArtist wrote: »

This is not a sob story. Indeed, my first 186 eu Supplementary Welfare Allowance cheque plopped through my letterbox this morning, so things are looking up ever so slightly.

But I really have been through hell recently(please see my first thread for full details), and it will be sometime before I recover from the horrific injures I sustained.

I am seeking some general career advice as to how I can turn around my fortunes and recover what is left of my life from the wreckage.

Educationally, all I have in my possession is a degree in History and Psychology. Since the financial crisis, I have sensed a definite hostility towards such degrees – most probably caused by even supposedly credible degree holders struggling to gain employment.


So what hope does an individual with no concrete work experience and a much maligned degree have? It depresses me no end thinking about how bleak my future looks at this particular juncture in my life.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

Why don't you take a little time to get better and then look at BTEA
This is from the citizens information on the BTEA

Postgraduate courses

Only postgraduate courses in Ireland are eligible for the BTEA scheme. You can get the Back to Education Allowance for a postgraduate course of study that leads to a Higher Diploma (H.Dip.) qualification in any discipline or a Professional Masters in Education.

Or what about looking at Job bridge.

PutDownArtist

mariaalice wrote: »

Why don't you take a little time to get better and then look at BTEA
This is from the citizens information on the BTEA

Postgraduate courses

Only postgraduate courses in Ireland are eligible for the BTEA scheme. You can get the Back to Education Allowance for a postgraduate course of study that leads to a Higher Diploma (H.Dip.) qualification in any discipline or a Professional Masters in Education.

Or what about looking at Job bridge.

Thanks for the advice. I actually would consider doing a Jobbridge if I had an interest in the particular role. But I will certainly not be pushed into a min wage job dressed up as an 'intern-ship'.

The problem with gaining another degree is facing the inevitable 'no experience' catch 22 sitation.

PutDownArtist

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. I actually would consider doing a Jobbridge if I had an interest in the particular role. But I will certainly not be pushed into a min wage job dressed up as an 'intern-ship'.

The problem with gaining another degree is facing the inevitable 'no experience' catch 22 sitation.

I think you need to reframe it a bit if everyone though I wont bother because I will never get a job without experiences, nobody would do anything. As you have bar experience you will pick up casual work around Christmas and who knows what that could lead too maybe you will end up managing a bar or a group of bars.

You don't have to do another degree do a hdip and job bridge will get you over the problem of no experience and give you an extra 50 a week

looksee

There is a catch 22 in jobbridge - if you get any sort of job to keep yourself off the dole and doing something useful you are 'employed' and therefore not eligible for jobbridge. If you want a jobbridge position to gain experience in your area - and it is true that you cannot get on the ladder without experience, which is a circular situation -you have to sit around being unemployed for 6 months.

allibastor

Hi Op,

Can I just say, I know you have had some obvious troubles in the past, but you are a very negative person. I fully understand this does happen in job search and with other issues, I can PM you if you wish to know what my last year was like.

You have said about Job bridge, firstly its not even min wage. but the point is to get the experience in something, so do take time to see what could be of use to you.
You said about Vlogging, Yes it is not ideal, but it does allow you to reach a larger medium, you don't have to like the medium but as long as it helps you get your messages across it can only help. obviously no I R cute Kitten vids and you should be OK.

If I were you though I would try and see what things can become positive, or as others have said try and re-train.


I may get shot for this, but the degree you have got is what many in business and recruitment would consider a soft degree, IE one that got you to college but didn't teach you much.
Again I may get shot for it, but I do know of 2 people with this degree and unless they got a job with the heritage dept or something similar they both recognised they needed to obtain further education.

Mrs OBumble

In fairness, the OP has had people (in other forums) tell him, quite forcefully, things that just weren't true, eg:

They said he wouldn't meet the HRC so wouldn't get benefit - but he did. (And if you know Welfare at all, you know they enforce this.)
The said he should have had travel insurance and it would have covered him - but he did, and it doesn't.

So I can understand if he's got a bit frustrated with them. Let's focus on how he's behaved in this forum.

PutDownArtist

looksee wrote: »

There is a catch 22 in jobbridge - if you get any sort of job to keep yourself off the dole and doing something useful you are 'employed' and therefore not eligible for jobbridge. If you want a jobbridge position to gain experience in your area - and it is true that you cannot get on the ladder without experience, which is a circular situation -you have to sit around being unemployed for 6 months.

6 months wait to get a jobbridge? Wow!I thought it was only 3? And people had the nerve to chastise me for calling the Social Welfare clowns! Pure insanity.

I don't agree with the view that ''it's easier to find a job when you're in a job''. How on earth is one supposed to find the necessary time needed to properly find a decent job if they're slogging it out for 40 hrs per week? It's illogical drivel.

Attending interviews, writing cover letters, tailoring CVs, researching the prospective company etc. takes a lot of time, effort and WORK.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

6 months wait to get a jobbridge? Wow!I thought it was only 3? And people had the nerve to chastise me for calling the Social Welfare clowns! Pure insanity.

I don't agree with the view that ''it's easier to find a job when you're in a job''. How on earth is one supposed to find the necessary time needed to properly find a decent job if they're slogging it out for 40 hrs per week? It's illogical drivel.

Attending interviews, writing cover letters, tailoring CVs, researching the prospective company etc. takes a lot of time, effort and WORK.

The reason it may be easier to find a job while you are in one, you are networking more so know more about what is active or not, you are also slightly more attractive to an employer as they know you are employable.

The reason the job bridge kicks in when it does it that it is there to call time on a job search that isn't going anywhere, it may take 1-3 months for someone leaving a job to get in with a new company after interviews etc.

hmmm

You say that money isn't a driver, and I know this isn't the "Personal issues" forum, but what is the driver? If money isn't a driver, why is the lack of a working career causing your life to "slide into oblivion"? Lots of (most?) people have very happy and fulfilling lives outside work, and struggle out of bed on a Monday morning to slouch into a job which will allow them earn the money to have these happy & fulfilling lives.

If you're saying that you need to earn some money and don't want to be forever working in "menial" jobs, then the snooty attitude towards job-bridge isn't a help. You have no experience in the areas you're potentially interested in, so it would be better to get some. You're not the first person to work 40 hours a week and fit in job-hunting at the same time, most people have done that at some stage. The mantra that "it is easier to find a job if you already have one" is true.

I always think it best to have some idea in my head as to where I'd like to get to in the future, even if there is no path apparent to reach that future point. I find that letting my subconcious guide my life choices will often prod me in that general direction anyway.

If you want something fulfilling, and money isn't a driver, a career in the charity sector is possibly an option?

Beaner1

PutDownArtist wrote: »

6 months wait to get a jobbridge? Wow!I thought it was only 3? And people had the nerve to chastise me for calling the Social Welfare clowns! Pure insanity.

I don't agree with the view that ''it's easier to find a job when you're in a job''. How on earth is one supposed to find the necessary time needed to properly find a decent job if they're slogging it out for 40 hrs per week? It's illogical drivel.

Attending interviews, writing cover letters, tailoring CVs, researching the prospective company etc. takes a lot of time, effort and WORK.

Exactly it takes work. Doing a 40 hour week and job hunting is hard work. Decent, employable people with good attitudes find the time and motivation.
An unemployed person won't stand a chance competing for a job with somebody currently employed. That's the reality. Jobs are massively over subscribed with applicants so why would an employer take a chance on someone that had less experience and might be a bit workshy.

PutDownArtist

allibastor wrote: »

The reason it may be easier to find a job while you are in one, you are networking more so know more about what is active or not, you are also slightly more attractive to an employer as they know you are employable.

The reason the job bridge kicks in when it does it that it is there to call time on a job search that isn't going anywhere, it may take 1-3 months for someone leaving a job to get in with a new company after interviews etc.

But most people seem to be advocating taking ANY job. With whom is one supposed to 'network' with whilst handing out burgers in Mcdonals? Or stacking teabags in SuperValu?

It's nothing more than drivel propagated from those in a comfortable position who think that 'arbeit macht frei'.

I am not going to allow myself to be bullied by anyone into doing anything I don't want.

If I have to leave the country again without repaying one cent back into the coffers -- even though I will try my best to find a job here -- I won't give it a second thought.

Beaner1

PutDownArtist wrote: »

But most people seem to be advocating taking ANY job. With whom is one supposed to 'network' with whilst handing out burgers in Mcdonals? Or stacking teabags in SuperValu?

It's nothing more than drivel propagated from those in a comfortable position who think that 'arbeit macht frei'.

I am not going to allow myself to be bullied by anyone into doing anything I don't want.

If I have to leave the country again without repaying one cent back into the coffers -- even though I will try my best to find a job here -- I won't give it a second thought.

So you're too good for Supervalu? What makes you better than the people working there now?

PutDownArtist

Beaner1 wrote: »

So you're too good for Supervalu? What makes you better than the people working there now?

I thought a Jobbridge was supposed to be about helping people garner new skills and experience?

Are you expecting me to work full-time in Supervalu for less than the min wage?

pharmaton

As a job bridge intern I can attest to the benefits of an internship, but in order to receive them you have to be prepared to put in what you want to get out and I suggest the first thing you need to lose is your sense of righteousness. Could you put yourself in a position which clearly is exploitative and still derive fulfillment from what you do? If not then an internship is not for you.
I would echo the sentiments put forward above which query what it is money and work is driving you to resolve and maybe then you will begin to find some solutions to your overall life issues.

listermint

PutDownArtist wrote: »

But most people seem to be advocating taking ANY job. With whom is one supposed to 'network' with whilst handing out burgers in Mcdonals? Or stacking teabags in SuperValu?

It's nothing more than drivel propagated from those in a comfortable position who think that 'arbeit macht frei'.

I am not going to allow myself to be bullied by anyone into doing anything I don't want.

If I have to leave the country again without repaying one cent back into the coffers -- even though I will try my best to find a job here -- I won't give it a second thought.

I think you are more interested to posting on the internet than working OP. And personally it feels like you would like someone else to pay for it.

Social Welfare blogger if you could get it, it seems.

Jawgap

Just some observations from reading the thread thus far.....

Don't write off your degree - you can 'sell it' as a degree, which to be honest will only get you so far or sell it as example of how you were organised enough to develop the skills that got you the degree. In some sense, the subject of the degree is irrelevant, it is a demonstration of your personal abilities, skills and competence - maybe think about selling it as such.

If you want to write, then write. About anything. Sit down and don't get up until you've written 500 words - they don't have to be usable or even any good, but the difference between the successful and the unsuccessful writer is that the successful ones write habitually, even if they end up discarding 75% of what they produce.

Don't dismiss jobs in places like McD's, SuperValue etc - they are big companies and if you get a foot in the door you get access to their internal comms, company opportunities etc. A nephew of mine started a shelf-stacker in one of the large off-licence chains in the UK, he's now one of their wine buyers!

Maybe have a look at some of the free online courses available if you want to develop your education.

Good luck.

listermint

Jawgap wrote: »

Just some observations from reading the thread thus far.....

Don't write off your degree - you can 'sell it' as a degree, which to be honest will only get you so far or sell it as example of how you were organised enough to develop the skills that got you the degree. In some sense, the subject of the degree is irrelevant, it is a demonstration of your personal abilities, skills and competence - maybe think about selling it as such.

If you want to write, then write. About anything. Sit down and don't get up until you've written 500 words - they don't have to be usable or even any good, but the difference between the successful and the unsuccessful writer is that the successful ones write habitually, even if they end up discarding 75% of what they produce.

Don't dismiss jobs in places like McD's, SuperValue etc - they are big companies and if you get a foot in the door you get access to their internal comms, company opportunities etc. A nephew of mine started a shelf-stacker in one of the large off-licence chains in the UK, he's now one of their wine buyers!

Maybe have a look at some of the free online courses available if you want to develop your education.

Good luck.

Sage advise, however im not sure the OP actually cares with blanket statements such as 'arbeit macht frei' Which is pretty derogatory tbh.

PutDownArtist

pharmaton wrote: »

As a job bridge intern I can attest to the benefits of an internship, but in order to receive them you have to be prepared to put in what you want to get out and I suggest the first thing you need to lose is your sense of righteousness. Could you put yourself in a position which clearly is exploitative and still derive fulfillment from what you do? If not then an internship is not for you.
I would echo the sentiments put forward above which query what it is money and work is driving you to resolve and maybe then you will begin to find some solutions to your overall life issues.

Good question. Basically, I want to be able to earn enough cash for a basic, independent lifestyle.

If I could earn 100 eu pw in a mobile capacity, that would be preferable to me raking in 600 eu but stuck in one place.

I have no ambitions of chaining myself to a mortgage, kids or anything like that.

Receiving benefits long term is also not an option because you are shackled to one area.

listermint

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Good question. Basically, I want to be able to earn enough cash for a basic, independent lifestyle.

If I could earn 100 eu pw in a mobile capacity, that would be preferable to me raking in 600 eu but stuck in one place.

I have no ambitions of chaining myself to a mortgage, kids or anything like that.

Receiving benefits long term is also not an option because you are shackled to one area.

Plenty of bars looking for staff, Im not even sure people here will be able to offer you up this elusive mobile independent lifestyle job.

hmmm

PutDownArtist wrote: »

But most people seem to be advocating taking ANY job. With whom is one supposed to 'network' with whilst handing out burgers in Mcdonals? Or stacking teabags in SuperValu?

It's nothing more than drivel propagated from those in a comfortable position who think that 'arbeit macht frei'.

I am not going to allow myself to be bullied by anyone into doing anything I don't want.

If I have to leave the country again without repaying one cent back into the coffers -- even though I will try my best to find a job here -- I won't give it a second thought.

Off the top of my head. McDonalds will have suppliers coming in the door and delivering food who you can talk to. McDonalds will have employees from multiple backgrounds you can talk to. McDonalds offer career opportunities for employees to become managers, which will involve travel, networking & so on. You are interacting with customers on a daily basis, again you never know who you are dealing with - Warren Buffet is a regular at his local burger joint in Omaha.

You've an attitude issue that certain jobs are "beneath you". Sorry, but no-one forced you to choose a degree that didn't give you a leg up into the working world, so you either get an entry level job and start working or sit around raging at society and everyone else for not parachuting you into your dream job.

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Good question. Basically, I want to be able to earn enough cash for a basic, independent lifestyle.

If I could earn 100 eu pw in a mobile capacity, that would be preferable to me raking in 600 eu but stuck in one place.

I have no ambitions of chaining myself to a mortgage, kids or anything like that.

Receiving benefits long term is also not an option because you are shackled to one area.

If you want that then you need to develop a saleable skill you can port around - if you are interested in writing and you want to travel then concentrate on travel writing, social media etc

Blogging, as someone suggested, is a good starting point but you could also start pitching stuff to corporate publications - just remember that most of what you pitch will be rejected and you'll rarely even get the courtesy of a reply.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

But most people seem to be advocating taking ANY job. With whom is one supposed to 'network' with whilst handing out burgers in Mcdonals? Or stacking teabags in SuperValu?

It's nothing more than drivel propagated from those in a comfortable position who think that 'arbeit macht frei'.

I am not going to allow myself to be bullied by anyone into doing anything I don't want.

If I have to leave the country again without repaying one cent back into the coffers -- even though I will try my best to find a job here -- I won't give it a second thought.

Hi Again,

Sorry now OP, but you do sound like a condescending ****e.

I know 1 guy in particular who networked working in a café to working in engineering to setting up his own firm, in less then 3 years.

I myself networked working on a building site a few years ago doing site cleaning to getting in with a sales company to follow to my current role now.



No-one said you have to do a job which you don't want to do, you sound like a clever person but if you ACTUALLY read my post you would see I did say to find an area you want to work in and go from there.

Others have said, you chose your primary course of study in college, it is no-one else fault or issue with this, but did you look at employment options after this course when you picked it.


You started this thread to ask what to do in your case to stop your career going to arrest. People have told you what to do but you think what they tell you is beneath you.

I don't know what your CV looks like, but I know from employing 1000's of people that I NEVER hire someone who walks into my door looking like they just saw their dog run over outside.

If you want my advice, you need to sort out your own chip on your shoulder first as this is your biggest obstacle to a job.

PutDownArtist

listermint wrote: »

Sage advise, however im not sure the OP actually cares with blanket statements such as 'arbeit macht frei' Which is pretty derogatory tbh.

I fully understand that there is a great social pressure on people in this country to be in work, any work, and paying into the system.

Personally, I prefer to transcend this and look out for my own interests. No way am I going to sacrifice myself just to be a good little citizen and seen by others as an upstanding member of society.

The people who read my first thread will know I went out into the world and worked in low paid jobs-- there is nothing work-shy about me.

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I fully understand that there is a great social pressure on people in this country to be in work, any work, and paying into the system.

Personally, I prefer to transcend this and look out for my own interests. No way am I going to sacrifice myself just to be a good little citizen and seen by others as an upstanding member of society.

The people who read my first thread will know I went out into the world and worked in low paid jobs-- there is nothing work-shy about me.

Hand your dole back then.

Seriously, I hope you find work, but everyone has to work crappy jobs before or until they get the dream job. There's very few get to waltz straight into their desired career unless they set a business up from scratch.

Why do you expect to be supported? Or put it another way, why should the rest of us 'sacrifice' our salaries on the altar of taxation to spare your sensibilities?

hmmm

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I fully understand that there is a great social pressure on people in this country to be in work, any work, and paying into the system.

In the previous thread you asked us to look at, you rage against the "disgraceful HSE waiting lists". Where do you think the money to pay for this comes from if people aren't paying into the system?

Jawgap

You know OP, I thought some of the other posters on this thread were being a bit harsh on someone trying to get things back together and get back into the life, but your post #37 makes me realise they were pretty much on the button all along.

PutDownArtist

Jawgap wrote: »

Hand your dole back then.

Seriously, I hope you find work, but everyone has to work crappy jobs before or until they get the dream job. There's very few get to waltz straight into their desired career unless they set a business up from scratch.

Why do you expect to be supported? Or put it another way, why should the rest of us 'sacrifice' our salaries on the altar of taxation to spare your sensibilities?

You pay tax because you're legally obliged to, and would face imprisonment if you attempted to avoid it. Please don't pretend you're in anyway donating anything to my cause.

I want to remind people that the world was a very different place when I chose my particular degree, and there were far more opportunities available at the time.

The fact that I've stated an interest in job bridge torpedoes the claims that I'm not interested in working.

I had NEVER claimed any social welfare prior to my misadventure in Peru, so there goes the argument that I'm some kind of welfare junkie.

There are so many spurious and unfair allegations being hurled at me, luckily I have gleaned some good advice so it hasn't been a total loss.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

You pay tax because you're legally obliged to, and would face imprisonment if you attempted to avoid it. Please don't pretend you're in anyway donating anything to my cause.

I want to remind people that the world was a very different place when I chose my particular degree, and there were far more opportunities available at the time.

The fact that I've stated an interest in job bridge torpedoes the claims that I'm not interested in working.

I had NEVER claimed any social welfare prior to my misadventure in Peru, so there goes the argument that I'm some kind of welfare junkie.

There are so many spurious and unfair allegations being hurled at me, luckily I have gleaned some good advice so it hasn't been a total loss.

Your no able to post links after post 50, so can you add up the other posts about what happened to you, I have read some of them, but a lot of what you go on about seems like you attack all and sundry on any issue.

Again, many of us here have tried to give you advise but you are very very negative.

Fatty Magoo

Why are people wasting their time with this pompous, egotistical loon?

PutDownArtist

allibastor wrote: »

Your no able to post links after post 50, so can you add up the other posts about what happened to you, I have read some of them, but a lot of what you go on about seems like you attack all and sundry on any issue.

Again, many of us here have tried to give you advise but you are very very negative.

I don't think what you're saying is fair. I have thanked everyone who ahs offered constructive advice.

What I will not abide is people trying to prod me in the direction of dead-end, min wage work and claiming I look down on people in such work.

Are people saying I should spend my life on the min wage because of a supposed mistake I made when I was 16 years old and with a completely different economic topography?

No way.

Michael D Not Higgins

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I want to remind people that the world was a very different place when I chose my particular degree, and there were far more opportunities available at the time.

Not to start getting onto an argument about this, but most Arts degrees were always the butt of the joke, even in the good times. It was the degree to do when you had to go to college but didn't know what you wanted to do.

The 'Arts degree - take one' above the toilet roll has been a joke in colleges for ages, even when I was in college 10 years ago.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I don't think what you're saying is fair. I have thanked everyone who has offered constructive advice.

What I will not abide is people trying to prod me in the direction of dead-end, min wage work and claiming I look down on people in such work.

Are people saying I should spend my life on the min wage because of a supposed mistake I made when I was 16 years old and with a completely different economic topography?

No way.

You have been offered constructive advise but have then said you didn't want to do it. You have told us all you don't want to be prodded down into a job you don't like.


NEWS FLASH!!!! most people do jobs they don't like. I don't think anyone here would be 100% happy to get out of bed if we were not getting paid for it. We do this so we can have the other fun stuff in life.

If you have a , lets be honest, poor degree choice coupled with a lack of actually wanting to get a job by doing the smaller menial jobs first your screwed.
As pointed out before, unless you form your own start up or something like that it is not likely to walk to a job you absolutely love.

endacl

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I don't think what you're saying is fair. I have thanked everyone who ahs offered constructive advice.

What I will not abide is people trying to prod me in the direction of dead-end, min wage work and claiming I look down on people in such work.

Are people saying I should spend my life on the min wage because of a supposed mistake I made when I was 16 years old and with a completely different economic topography?

No way.

Nah. You thanked people who ignored your self-entitled BS. You didn't make a mistake when you were 16. You chose a course. 'Economic topography' little to do with it. People still choose those subjects.

So, you chose a degree when you were 16. Say, 3/4 years to complete, and 6 years travelling? I'd say you're old enough now to take your head out of your ass and cop yourself on.

Funnily enough, your posts read as if written by that teenager.

allibastor

endacl wrote: »

Nah. You thanked people who ignored your self-entitled BS. You didn't make a mistake when you were 16. You chose a course. 'Economic topography' little to do with it. People still choose those subjects.

So, you chose a degree when you were 16. Say, 3/4 years to complete, and 6 years travelling? I'd say you're old enough now to take your head out of your ass and cop yourself on.

Funnily enough, your posts read as if written by that teenager.

Did the OP do 6 years of travel after college?

**** no wonder no-one wants to employ them now. Didn't realise.

If I see a CV of someone who finished college then went on a world wide travel trip, first thing I would think is itchy feet and that once they have money enough they will be off again.

Also, and again going back to your degree choice, you chose a poor degree, then you chose to travel. Most people when they finish college will try and get grad work in their desired area of work so they can lay the foundations of a career.

If you finished college 6 or more years ago it was still in some sense a good work market, jobs could be got. you chose to travel instead.

Beaner1

endacl wrote: »

Nah. You thanked people who ignored your self-entitled BS. You didn't make a mistake when you were 16. You chose a course. 'Economic topography' little to do with it. People still choose those subjects.

So, you chose a degree when you were 16. Say, 3/4 years to complete, and 6 years travelling? I'd say you're old enough now to take your head out of your ass and cop yourself on.

Funnily enough, your posts read as if written by that teenager.

The writing career is definitely off limits.

Stheno

allibastor wrote: »

Did the OP do 6 years of travel after college?

**** no wonder no-one wants to employ them now. Didn't realise.

If I see a CV of someone who finished college then went on a world wide travel trip, first thing I would think is itchy feet and that once they have money enough they will be off again.

Also, and again going back to your degree choice, you chose a poor degree, then you chose to travel. Most people when they finish college will try and get grad work in their desired area of work so they can lay the foundations of a career.

If you finished college 6 or more years ago it was still in some sense a good work market, jobs could be got. you chose to travel instead.

In a nutshell op went to the states for six years, worked menial jobs, had no health insurance, went on hols to Peru, had an accident and came back here as he couldn't get welfare elsewhere

Dunno how he got past habitual residence but now he's not impressed with the hee or lack of decent jobs

PutDownArtist

allibastor wrote: »

Did the OP do 6 years of travel after college?

**** no wonder no-one wants to employ them now. Didn't realise.

If I see a CV of someone who finished college then went on a world wide travel trip, first thing I would think is itchy feet and that once they have money enough they will be off again.

Also, and again going back to your degree choice, you chose a poor degree, then you chose to travel. Most people when they finish college will try and get grad work in their desired area of work so they can lay the foundations of a career.

If you finished college 6 or more years ago it was still in some sense a good work market, jobs could be got. you chose to travel instead.

The apex of the financial crisis was a good jobs market eh?

Your opinion is definitely going in the virtual bin that's for sure.