Silage price

Duke92

What's silage making and is it selling.

Sam Kade

I see a few loads moving but the country must be full of it. I know a farmer that grows beet for sale every year and it's sells as fast as he pulls it, this year it's stockpiled in the yard very little demand.

lakill Farm

I was thinking of buying some silage if I could get it double wrapped stuff it would last?

See silage on Donedeal for 18-20e a bale.

bogman_bass

PM me. We might be able to do a deal

Duke92

Had it on done deal not one call first 20 then put it up with no price no call one guy texted and said if it was very good he'd give me 14 and wanted it loaded

freedominacup

lakill Farm wrote: »

I was thinking of buying some silage if I could get it double wrapped stuff it would last?

See silage on Donedeal for 18-20e a bale.

Buy what you need but only take a weeks worth at the time. No need to double wrap. Always assuming you're getting it local.

Having said that straw and meal is usually better value and at least you have known feed values rather than bales of thirty year and old meadow grass baled in July being sold as fresh reseeds baled in early May.

lakill Farm

freedominacup wrote: »

Buy what you need but only take a weeks worth at the time. No need to double wrap. Always assuming you're getting it local.

Having said that straw and meal is usually better value and at least you have known feed values rather than bales of thirty year and old meadow grass baled in July being sold as fresh reseeds baled in early May.

I was thinking it I might get a bit ahead of myself with Silage

I have access to soft hands to load and wont tear the plastic

sh1tstirrer

Duke92 wrote: »

Had it on done deal not one call first 20 then put it up with no price no call one guy texted and said if it was very good he'd give me 14 and wanted it loaded

Plenty of them fellas around, they think because there is no demand that you should be under a privilege to sell to them at their price.

J.O. Farmer

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

Plenty of them fellas around, they think because there is no demand that you should be under a privilege to sell to them at their price.

If them lads need it this year they can try buying it for half nothing but they'll be remembered and the next bad year that comes they'll have to spend the saving on a stockpile of vaseline and sudocream.

Farmer Pudsey

freedominacup wrote: »

Buy what you need but only take a weeks worth at the time. No need to double wrap. Always assuming you're getting it local.

Having said that straw and meal is usually better value and at least you have known feed values rather than bales of thirty year and old meadow grass baled in July being sold as fresh reseeds baled in early May.

This year silage is more than likely better value than anything. It freely available at 20/bale for good stuff. Rations in bags have not dropped in price with the exception of rolled barley. Feeding rolled barley soya bean meal and straw straw will cost 1.7/day for 300kg weanlings 6kgs/head with straw and mins. Adlib good silage @ 20/bale with 2-3kgs of barley and soya will cost 1-1.25/day.

When you see silage advertised in Mayo at 18/bale then it hard to see it getting much more anywhere else.

Sam Kade wrote: »

I see a few loads moving but the country must be full of it. I know a farmer that grows beet for sale every year and it's sells as fast as he pulls it, this year it's stockpiled in the yard very little demand.

With the price of maize and barley this year I say even finishers are shying away from it. Big crop of forage maize as well. If he dose not start to sell fast he will be in trouble in the spring. he competeing with barley and maize at 170/ton. I more say no demand at price he is looking for it. Super feed but it would want to be delivered at less than 30/ton maybe even around 25/ton.

sh1tstirrer

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

With the price of maize and barley this year I say even finishers are shying away from it. Big crop of forage maize as well. If he dose not start to sell fast he will be in trouble in the spring. he competeing with barley and maize at 170/ton. I more say no demand at price he is looking for it. Super feed but it would want to be delivered at less than 30/ton maybe even around 25/ton.

I know a farmer that was getting 40/tonne last year delivered, I see a few lads collecting a few loads with car trailers. Of course last year lads were still in a panic after spring 2013.

Username John

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Super feed but it would want to be delivered at less than 30/ton maybe even around 25/ton.

Howuch would it cost to grow per ton? Would a lad be losing money selling it at 25/ton.

keep going

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

If them lads need it this year they can try buying it for half nothing but they'll be remembered and the next bad year that comes they'll have to spend the saving on a stockpile of vaseline and sudocream.

I work it slightly different.I suppose I would be known as being a purchaserof feed and people often come to me offering feed, I dont pay top dollar but I always pay and I use my pit as the reserve.its not unknown for me to close pit and buy bales in the spring if fellas are anxious to clear a few bales or whatever.but during the famine I sold silage for 40 euros aton weighed and loaded which I think wasnt taking the piss and I also had bales bought which I sold on at the same money and other bales I had bought earlier that spring I left back to the owner.those things might be forgotten by some but not all people so hopefully ill do without the sudocream

PMU

market price has nothing to do with cost price

I said

Silage bales making €18-23 on Done Deal while hay is selling for €20-25
http://www.agriland.ie/news/latest-fodder-prices-done-deal/

Farmer Pudsey

sh1tstirrer wrote: »

I know a farmer that was getting 40/tonne last year delivered, I see a few lads collecting a few loads with car trailers. Of course last year lads were still in a panic after spring 2013.

Last year Maize was over 220/ton. This year it is 170 and if Dawgone is right after Christmas it will be 130/ton. At that price beet is heading back towards 20/ton

Username John wrote: »

Howuch would it cost to grow per ton? Would a lad be losing money selling it at 25/ton.

I expect they would be losing money yes.

The Cuban

Thinking of selling some but I reckon I`d only be getting around the €15 at the moment. I could wait to see if we get a late spring. If not they will be mouldy by next year

Duke92

The Cuban wrote: »

Thinking of selling some but I reckon I`d only be getting around the €15 at the moment. I could wait to see if we get a late spring. If not they will be mouldy by next year

Country seems to be full of it wouldn't like to wait that long was hoping to go before Xmas before it all starts coming out what part of the country are you in.

The Cuban

South west,
Yep country is full of it, Ive 2 years supply ahead of me now and thats counting on leaving a good few cattle in the sheds till mid-April. Money down the drain if we get an early spring

newholland mad

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Last year Maize was over 220/ton. This year it is 170 and if Dawgone is right after Christmas it will be 130/ton. At that price beet is heading back towards 20/ton



I expect they would be losing money yes.

If i had a yard of beet and couldnt move it for decent money and wasnt in a hurry for cash i would wash chop and pit it, this would take the panic out of selling in april when the weather is good and cattle at grass. This of course would be ideal also if buying and got cheep beet, enough for 2 yrs maby.

J DEERE

I said wrote: »

Silage bales making €18-23 on Done Deal while hay is selling for €20-25
http://www.agriland.ie/news/latest-fodder-prices-done-deal/

Would ye think hay be a better buy than the silage? At least u can see the hay

manjou

The Cuban wrote: »

South west,
Yep country is full of it, Ive 2 years supply ahead of me now and thats counting on leaving a good few cattle in the sheds till mid-April. Money down the drain if we get an early spring

Not really dont make any fodder this year and save alot of money on fertliser and contractors and also will give silage ground a rest.
This year have already doubled up on straw bought and and if any bales for sale locally will start buying them if can get for around 20 or less will feed to dry cows.This will allow me to keep my own bales and when year comes along when silage is dear and quality is not good will have store built up.

whelan2

I said wrote: »

Silage bales making €18-23 on Done Deal while hay is selling for €20-25
http://www.agriland.ie/news/latest-fodder-prices-done-deal/

that is the asking price, i doubt many are paying that

keep going

If I was a gambling man id say stores will be mad next spring because fellas will say they wont get caught with too manybales again

Robson99

Is beet any good for fattening cattle or is it just a substitute for silage ??

The Cuban

keep going wrote:

If I was a gambling man id say stores will be mad next spring because fellas will say they wont get caught with too manybales again

I hope not as I'll be in the market for a few from Feb onwards

DarByrne1980

Robson99 wrote: »

Is beet any good for fattening cattle or is it just a substitute for silage ??

a bit of both really. we used ta use beet if we got a load handy to us. saved a bit of silage. u could throw some to sheep as well.

frazzledhome

Silage bales costing 15c per kg in the stack here. At 700kg fresh that's €31.5 per bale inc land charge.

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Silage bales costing 15c per kg in the stack here. At 700kg fresh that's €31.5 per bale inc land charge.

Bales feeding seriously well here. Using 3 bales less than I had budgeted for

Dawggone

Phuckin bales I hate them!!
The amount of time wasted opening them, not to mention the price of making them.

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

Phuckin bales I hate them!!
The amount of time wasted opening them, not to mention the price of making them.

Used to be like you. We are now 60% bales and I love them since we bought a Tedder. I find you can feed a lot of cows quickly. Different if thru feeder of course

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Used to be like you. We are now 60% bales and I love them since we bought a Tedder. I find you can feed a lot of cows quickly. Different if thru feeder of course

How much time per hundred cows? Would you put out enough for a few days?
I'm only using lucerne wraps for cows but the opening of them is time consuming.

stanflt

frazzledhome wrote: »

Used to be like you. We are now 60% bales and I love them since we bought a Tedder. I find you can feed a lot of cows quickly. Different if thru feeder of course

I put 2 bales tru my hi spec paddle feeder 10cub every day and no problem


700 kg brewers first then 1900 kg from 2 bales and up to 4400 with maize

From start to empty it takes 30 mins and feeds 80 milkers

Silage is 48% dm before anyone asks

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

How much time per hundred cows? Would you put out enough for a few days?
I'm only using lucerne wraps for cows but the opening of them is time consuming.

15-20 mins per 100. Feeding daily ATM. Straw put out with fork first and 4kg in parlour

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

15-20 mins per 100. Feeding daily ATM. Straw put out with fork first and 4kg in parlour

Do you put straw underneath bales?

Greengrass1

stanflt wrote: »

I put 2 bales tru my hi spec paddle feeder 10cub every day and no problem


700 kg brewers first then 1900 kg from 2 bales and up to 4400 with maize

From start to empty it takes 30 mins and feeds 80 milkers

Silage is 48% dm before anyone asks

Do you break bales up for the hi spec?

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

15-20 mins per 100. Feeding daily ATM. Straw put out with fork first and 4kg in parlour

Was up with a friend who was placed on farm in offaly for his manager course. 300 cows fed with shear grab in 40 min. Tractor was red hot after it. Could feel heat off it 5ft away

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

Do you put straw underneath bales?

Shake out a bit along passages first thing, cows pick then break bales out on top. Works well cows were v loose and fat from 5.36 to 5.77

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Shake out a bit along passages first thing, cows pick then break bales out on top. Works well cows were v loose and fat from 5.36 to 5.77

Feck, that's some fat.
My "divas" just wil not eat straw. They do like ryegrass hay though.

Farmer Pudsey

newholland mad wrote: »

If i had a yard of beet and couldnt move it for decent money and wasnt in a hurry for cash i would wash chop and pit it, this would take the panic out of selling in april when the weather is good and cattle at grass. This of course would be ideal also if buying and got cheep beet, enough for 2 yrs maby.

If Dawg is right about Maize futures it could be there longer than 2 years. Also what do you do with next years crop. Look at money tied up and cost of same. Say that beet is making 25/ton what price will you need in 12 months or two years time to make money om it. Allow for 10% waste and it will it be a sellable product. It is questionable if it is viable to store for one's self. Buy at 25/ton 10% waste make's it 27.50 add 5-10% for value of money and plastic and chopping. If I did not need it I would not buy it.

keep going wrote: »

If I was a gambling man id say stores will be mad next spring because fellas will say they wont get caught with too manybales again

There is no gamble about it, exceptionally big kill at year end means that along with 150K less stores than this year you will have another 30-50K hanging that maybe should not be. Stores will be scarce.

Robson99 wrote: »

Is beet any good for fattening cattle or is it just a substitute for silage ??

Excellent finishers usuall mad about it as it increases intake 9 that is often you can add 1-2kgs of DM to diet by adding equivlent amount of beet to provide that. It is around 17-20%DM

The Cuban wrote: »

I hope not as I'll be in the market for a few from Feb onwards

I be buying value at present if ppossible.

Dawggone wrote: »

Phuckin bales I hate them!!
The amount of time wasted opening them, not to mention the price of making them.

Phucking bales I love them flexibility can close and cut fields/paddocks as it suits. As a small farmer I can grow a few acres of Hybrids etc to maximise production.

stanflt

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Do you break bales up for the hi spec?

yeah i open the bales the night before and i just use the bucket on the tractor to feed the cows

use sheargrab for the heifers

Dawggone

stanflt wrote: »

yeah i open the bales the night before and i just use the bucket on the tractor to feed the cows

use sheargrab for the heifers

Is there any particular reason for opening bales the night before?
Scaroboldi?(?) feeder here and can just dump in bales whole. If you put in three or four it will take a bit of horsepower.

keep going

frazzledhome wrote: »

15-20 mins per 100. Feeding daily ATM. Straw put out with fork first and 4kg in parlour

Timed myself last night and it is 15 minutes for 110 with sheargrab, I find it hard to see how you match it withbales .was on a farm a couple of years ago 700 cows and heifers in 2 hours with sheargrab

Dawggone

keep going wrote: »

Timed myself last night and it is 15 minutes for 110 with sheargrab, I find it hard to see how you match it withbales .was on a farm a couple of years ago 700 cows and heifers in 2 hours with sheargrab

8 foot shear grab on an industrial loader?

frazzledhome

keep going wrote: »

Timed myself last night and it is 15 minutes for 110 with sheargrab, I find it hard to see how you match it withbales .was on a farm a couple of years ago 700 cows and heifers in 2 hours with sheargrab

Carry 2 at a time cut end off tip off remove plastic in 1 go. Slight nudge seperates bales. Cut net, repeat. 48 cows feed with every 2 bales. When all bales in passage fly around and break them in against barrier. No pushing in in evening so all done in am

stanflt

Dawggone wrote: »

Is there any particular reason for opening bales the night before?
Scaroboldi?(?) feeder here and can just dump in bales whole. If you put in three or four it will take a bit of horsepower.

so hands are clean for the breakfast:) wife back teaching after maternity so im daddy daycare for a few hours during the day and i leave everything ready the night before

planning:)

Dawggone

stanflt wrote: »

so hands are clean for the breakfast:) wife back teaching after maternity so im daddy daycare for a few hours during the day and i leave everything ready the night before

planning:)

Call me a freak but I absolutely love the "scent" of the lucerne wraps. Haylage is passable but wet silage is hateful.

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

Call me a freak but I absolutely love the "scent" of the lucerne wraps. Haylage is passable but wet silage is hateful.

Neighbour feeds it, rocket fuel grows. Phuck all though.

I mean the crops are light

Timmaay

I may time myself here for the shear grab for the maize and grass silage to our 67 cows. Altho last week or so I've been throwing it into them twice a day to get a more even distribution of maize into each cow. Definitely more use of the hand shovel with the maize this year, but I usually do that between slow rows while milking so don't mind.

We've never bothered with straw in the diet (aside from the odd bale to pick on in May), certainly now that the cows are on maize no need for the straw, the maize has totally dried them up. Fat has not crashed at all this winter like it normally does.

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Neighbour feeds it, rocket fuel grows. Phuck all though.

I mean the crops are light

Lacking heat?

Dawggone

Timmaay wrote: »

I may time myself here for the shear grab for the maize and grass silage to our 67 cows. Altho last week or so I've been throwing it into them twice a day to get a more even distribution of maize into each cow. Definitely more use of the hand shovel with the maize this year, but I usually do that between slow rows while milking so don't mind.

We've never bothered with straw in the diet (aside from the odd bale to pick on in May), certainly now that the cows are on maize no need for the straw, the maize has totally dried them up. Fat has not crashed at all this winter like it normally does.

Fibre is often neglected and underestimated.