anti water protest on saturday @2pm

Beaver1

are there many going????

afro man

Beaver1 wrote: »

are there many going????

hopefully the people will come out in force

893bet

Nope.

I agree with water charges personally.

Pumpkinseeds

Are these protests not affecting trade in the city centre? I'm not being funny but to be perfectly honest I wouldn't go near Limerick when the protests have been taking place and I doubt I'm the only one.

jonski

I'll be there

Skuxx

893bet wrote: »

Nope.

I agree with water charges personally.

Me too, getting sick of the whole thing to be honest!

steveon

See ya all there power to the people:D

ArmaniJeanss

Why the hell would you have an anti-water protest ; water is fantastic

Mr.H

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Are these protests not affecting trade in the city centre? I'm not being funny but to be perfectly honest I wouldn't go near Limerick when the protests have been taking place and I doubt I'm the only one.

That's the point. If the cities are closed down for the couple of hours on a Saturday it will have wider affects on the country.

Cant believe that anyone is actually contemplating paying these rates. Just better to bite ones toungue

bazz26

I was at the last two back in October, they were well organised with a good turn out and there was no messing. There was a bit of disruption to traffic alright but saying trade was effected would have been a bit ott. People who chose not to protest still stopped for a few minutes to have a look and then went about their business as normal. Traffic returned to normal fairly quickly once the march finished.

Special Circumstances

893bet wrote: »

Nope.

I agree with water charges personally.

In theory, yes.

In reality - a shoddy, opaque, costly, overstaffed, bonus time again yay, quango. Jobs for the boys while the people's water is packaged up for sale to a private company. Another charge that we are already paying for. Water charges or USC, not both.

I honestly don't have a problem with Joe the metre installer, or John the garda, doing their jobs. The problem, as always, is at the executive levels.

afro man

Special Circumstances wrote: »

In theory, yes.

In reality - a shoddy, opaque, costly, overstaffed, bonus time again yay, quango. Jobs for the boys while the people's water is packaged up for sale to a private company. Another charge that we are already paying for. Water charges or USC, not both.

I honestly don't have a problem with Joe the metre installer, or John the garda, doing their jobs. The problem, as always, is at the executive levels.

well said totally agree

afro man

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Are these protests not affecting trade in the city centre? I'm not being funny but to be perfectly honest I wouldn't go near Limerick when the protests have been taking place and I doubt I'm the only one.

Pumpkinseeds

lets see say even one thousand people turn up ? yes it may cause traffic disruptions but i'm sure a lot of these people may even get something to eat & drink while in the city and possibly do a bit of shopping after protest so could be extra trade for city
i'm sure limerick traders will miss your business on saturday now

Pumpkinseeds

Mr.H wrote: »

That's the point. If the cities are closed down for the couple of hours on a Saturday it will have wider affects on the country.

Cant believe that anyone is actually contemplating paying these rates. Just better to bite ones toungue

The point is you're really achieving fcuk all, except turning people off shopping in Limerick city and giving yourselves an ego boost. Other cities are encouraging people to come and shop but these water protests just make people go elsewhere. Sure why would people bother going to Limerick and getting held up by protestors when they could go down to Galway or elsewhere and enjoy a day shopping

Affecting trade means that businesses will lay off staff.

bazz26

Jees, there is some amount of hysteria around here, people being layed off because there is a bit of inconvenience due a public protest passes their door. You would swear Limerick was the only city in the country that was protesting against these water charges.

893bet

afro man wrote: »

Pumpkinseeds

lets see say even one thousand people turn up ? yes it may cause traffic disruptions but i'm sure a lot of these people may even get something to eat & drink while in the city and possibly do a bit of shopping after protest so could be extra trade for city
i'm sure limerick traders will miss your business on saturday now

Eating? Drinking? Shopping??

Can't pay/won't pay

afro man

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

The point is you're really achieving fcuk all, except turning people off shopping in Limerick city and giving yourselves an ego boost. Other cities are encouraging people to come and shop but these water protests just make people go elsewhere. Sure why would people bother going to Limerick and getting held up by protestors when they could go down to Galway or elsewhere and enjoy a day shopping

Affecting trade means that businesses will lay off staff.

Pumpkin seeds i was in Dublin couple of weeks back shopping when the first national water protest took place .. it had little effect on causing disruption on people going about their business of shopping took and people seemed to just carry on as a normal saturday ? as for achiving Fcuk all have original rates of water not now been dropped etc ? personally i have no problem with people out protesting peacefully, Limerick city centre traders have more to worry about high rates from council forcing shops to close and The crescent shopping centre attracting business than a protest that will probally take 5-10 mins to pass through city centre ...

afro man

893bet wrote: »

Eating? Drinking? Shopping??

Can't pay/won't pay

Eating / drinking / shopping yes have no problem

cant pay / wont pay already paying tax for water why would you pay for it twice ..

893bet

afro man wrote: »

Eating / drinking / shopping yes have no problem

cant pay / wont pay already paying tax for water why would you pay for it twice ..

I cant understand the mass compliance with the property tax yet water charges have people in a hissy.

The top 20percent of earners pay 80% of the tax take. So the remaining 80% percent pay very little tax so most people are not really paying for it twice (laughable arguement you could apply to any tax).

We are still borrowing 10 billion a year to keep the lights on in the country. We need more money coming in. Simple as that.

Every other country has water charges. It's standard enough.

I agree Irish water was badly implemented but water is not a free resource and needs to be paid for.

jonski

893bet wrote: »

I cant understand the mass compliance with the property tax yet water charges have people in a hissy.

The top 20percent of earners pay 80% of the tax take. So the remaining 80% percent pay very little tax so most people are not really paying for it twice (laughable arguement you could apply to any tax).

We are still borrowing 10 billion a year to keep the lights on in the country. We need more money coming in. Simple as that.

Every other country has water charges. It's standard enough.

I agree Irish water was badly implemented but water is not a free resource and needs to be paid for.

I'd like to counter those points with talk of quangos and money squandered and everyone pays Vat and cronyism and water should never be privatised for someone else to profit from it ........... but this is the Limerick Forum and I would imagine surely this thread is to discuss how the march will affect Limerick , there are plenty of other threads on Boards to discuss the rights and wrongs of it .

his_dudeness

afro man wrote: »

Eating / drinking / shopping yes have no problem

cant pay / wont pay already paying tax for water why would you pay for it twice ..

There's holes and leaks all over the place, we're obviously not paying enough....

jonski

his_dudeness wrote: »

There's holes and leaks all over the place, we're obviously not paying enough....

or we are but it's been squandered or used to pay bankers and bond holders .

Pumpkinseeds

afro man wrote: »

Pumpkin seeds i was in Dublin couple of weeks back shopping when the first national water protest took place .. it had little effect on causing disruption on people going about their business of shopping took and people seemed to just carry on as a normal saturday ? as for achiving Fcuk all have original rates of water not now been dropped etc ? personally i have no problem with people out protesting peacefully, Limerick city centre traders have more to worry about high rates from council forcing shops to close and The crescent shopping centre attracting business than a protest that will probally take 5-10 mins to pass through city centre ...

But it's not 5 or 10 minutes and it's not a one off. These protests are becoming a regular event and are jamming the city centre. I would have gone into the city centre tomorrow and bought the Christmas presents as well as having some lunch somewhere, instead I ordered everything online. I'm not the only one doing that. To be honest, I'm sick and tired of hearing people complain about water rates, I don't want to pay them any more than anyone else does but I don't constantly go on and on and on about it.

Special Circumstances

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

but I don't constantly go on and on and on about it.

lol

afro man

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

But it's not 5 or 10 minutes and it's not a one off. These protests are becoming a regular event and are jamming the city centre. I would have gone into the city centre tomorrow and bought the Christmas presents as well as having some lunch somewhere, instead I ordered everything online. I'm not the only one doing that. To be honest, I'm sick and tired of hearing people complain about water rates, I don't want to pay them any more than anyone else does but I don't constantly go on and on and on about it.

Pumpkinseeds

how is two protest marchs in over two Months becoming a regular Event ?? march starts at 2pm you could have been into town early and home before the march even started or went into town on sunday or next saturday but no you deceided to shop on line and i am totally shocked you were not even bothered to shop local and support your local city traders

if you dont want to pay fair enough then dont register and dont pay

mgbgt1978

893bet wrote: »

Every other country has water charges. It's standard enough.

I agree Irish water was badly implemented but water is not a free resource and needs to be paid for.

Does every other country have VRT ??
Does every other country have a Property Tax, that gives nothing in return to many householders ??
We have plenty of Taxes that most other Countries do not. Will other countries introduce these Taxes just because Ireland has them ?
I don't believe that "every other country" on the planet has a Water Charge. Can you provide some evidence to back up this claim ?

Around 25 years ago there was a levy added to Motor Tax to cover the abolition of Water Rates.....we have been paying for water all along.

jonski

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Does every other country have VRT ??
Does every other country have a Property Tax, that gives nothing in return to many householders ??
We have plenty of Taxes that most other Countries do not. Will other countries introduce these Taxes just because Ireland has them ?
I don't believe that "every other country" on the planet has a Water Charge. Can you provide some evidence to back up this claim ?

Just to add to that , just because other countries have it doesn't mean that we should .

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Around 25 years ago there was a levy added to Motor Tax to cover the abolition of Water Rates.....we have been paying for water all along.

They also added to the VAT rate at the same time for the same reason and we all pay Vat .

Pumpkinseeds

afro man wrote: »

Pumpkinseeds

how is two protest marchs in over two Months becoming a regular Event ?? march starts at 2pm you could have been into town early and home before the march even started or went into town on sunday or next saturday but no you deceided to shop on line and i am totally shocked you were not even bothered to shop local and support your local city traders

if you dont want to pay fair enough then dont register and dont pay

I'm not local. I live in Clare but prefer to shop in Limerick. How would I know there wouldn't be another protest next Saturday? I didn't know about tomorrows protest until I stumbled across it here. This time of year can be a hassle. You can't say that the coverage on the news of the city centre at a complete standstill wasn't inconvenient for shoppers who didn't want to protest or that it only lasted for 5 or 10 minutes. I doubt retailers want to draw attention to themselves by saying that the protests are costing them money.

Tomorrows protest will be the 3rd one. When the fcuk does it end? Like it or not the water charges are here to stay and no amount of protests will change that. So just let people get on with their shopping in peace.

Beaver1

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I'm not local. I live in Clare but prefer to shop in Limerick. How would I know there wouldn't be another protest next Saturday? I didn't know about tomorrows protest until I stumbled across it here. This time of year can be a hassle. You can't say that the coverage on the news of the city centre at a complete standstill wasn't inconvenient for shoppers who didn't want to protest or that it only lasted for 5 or 10 minutes. I doubt retailers want to draw attention to themselves by saying that the protests are costing them money.

Tomorrows protest will be the 3rd one. When the fcuk does it end? Like it or not the water charges are here to stay and no amount of protests will change that. So just let people get on with their shopping in peace.

thats a bit ott ordering stuff online because theres a protest in town, the protest will be finished by 3.30, also how would it effect you, your coming form clare if your driving come in by thomandgate and by pass the protest and park in town, the march is on the main road you will be walking the path looking for presents, i think your moaning just for the sake of moaning.

Help!!!!

Beaver1 wrote: »

are there many going????

Why don't all the protestors arrange one big one in Dublin?
It would open the politicians eyes if thousands protested outside the dail rather than a few hundred

jonski

Help!!!! wrote: »

Why don't all the protestors arrange one big one in Dublin?
It would open the politicians eyes if thousands protested outside the dail rather than a few hundred

They have , it's Dec 10th

afro man

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I'm not local. I live in Clare but prefer to shop in Limerick. How would I know there wouldn't be another protest next Saturday? I didn't know about tomorrows protest until I stumbled across it here. This time of year can be a hassle. You can't say that the coverage on the news of the city centre at a complete standstill wasn't inconvenient for shoppers who didn't want to protest or that it only lasted for 5 or 10 minutes. I doubt retailers want to draw attention to themselves by saying that the protests are costing them money.

Tomorrows protest will be the 3rd one. When the fcuk does it end? Like it or not the water charges are here to stay and no amount of protests will change that. So just let people get on with their shopping in peace.

Pumpkin

why dont you suport your local traders in clare .. and shop in ennis
how you did not know protest was on if you are sick n tired of people taking about water charges surely somebody would have mentioned protest in all the talking they are doing ...

bazz26

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I'm not local. I live in Clare but prefer to shop in Limerick. How would I know there wouldn't be another protest next Saturday? I didn't know about tomorrows protest until I stumbled across it here. This time of year can be a hassle. You can't say that the coverage on the news of the city centre at a complete standstill wasn't inconvenient for shoppers who didn't want to protest or that it only lasted for 5 or 10 minutes. I doubt retailers want to draw attention to themselves by saying that the protests are costing them money.

Tomorrows protest will be the 3rd one. When the fcuk does it end? Like it or not the water charges are here to stay and no amount of protests will change that. So just let people get on with their shopping in peace.

They tried to introduce them back in the 1980s too and they were defeated.

I'm sorry but if sending a stern message to the current Government that people have had enough of the quango/crony culture and being taxed to the hilt, causes a bit of inconvenience to you on a Saturday afternoon then so be it.

washman3

Help!!!! wrote: »

Why don't all the protestors arrange one big one in Dublin?
It would open the politicians eyes if thousands protested outside the dail rather than a few hundred

DECEMBER 10 IN DUBLIN...
Feel free to go along.
Its not just about Irish Water anymore, the people have finally woken up and realised that we have been screwed left,right and centre.
Yet those who caused the problems have walked away virtually scot-free.

Mc Love

washman3 wrote: »

Yet those who caused the problems have walked away virtually scot-free.

yep Fianna Fail and now it looks like we might be getting ourselves into more trouble if Sinn Fein come into power!

BelleOfTheBall

I've been to 2in limerick very well organised and the ordinary joe soap people even a few neighbours!power to the people!!

Beaver1

Mc Love wrote: »

yep Fianna Fail and now it looks like we might be getting ourselves into more trouble if Sinn Fein come into power!

so whats the alternative to sf, you'd be mad to vote for Ff, Lab or FG in the next election.

mgbgt1978

afro man wrote: »

Pumpkin

why dont you suport your local traders in clare .. and shop in ennis
how you did not know protest was on if you are sick n tired of people taking about water charges surely somebody would have mentioned protest in all the talking they are doing ...

There's a protest in Ennis today as well .

Mc Love

Beaver1 wrote: »

so whats the alternative to sf, you'd be mad to vote for Ff, Lab or FG in the next election.

Well you'd be certainly insane for voting for FF - I'd still go with FG, while I dont agree with the way they went about setting up Irish Water, the fact is we've always paid for water before, and they are just increasing it. Still not going to pay the extra until I have to.

FG are doing their best to return this country back to its former glory but its never going to be like the celtic tiger years for a long time.

Labour can run and jump, there nearly as bad as FF.

and SF ....well we all know their story!

branie2

I hope the guards behaved

miece16

yawn... another protest. I'm in full favor of the charge

uck51js9zml2yt

Paid water charges in the 80's in England along with a community charge.

I heard Limerick had a turnout of 3 million people

jonski

miece16 wrote: »

yawn... another protest. I'm in full favor of the charge

Yawn ....another troll

afro man

miece16 wrote: »

yawn... another protest. I'm in full favor of the charge

and approx three thousand people in limerick today took to the streets to say they don't agree with you :eek:

BobbyPropane

How was the protest?

Insect Overlord

afro man wrote: »

and approx three thousand people in limerick today took to the streets to say they don't agree with you :eek:

How many thousands stayed at home to watch Arsenal on the TV?

afro man

Mc Love wrote: »

Well you'd be certainly insane for voting for FF - I'd still go with FG, while I dont agree with the way they went about setting up Irish Water, the fact is we've always paid for water before, and they are just increasing it. Still not going to pay the extra until I have to.

FG are doing their best to return this country back to its former glory but its never going to be like the celtic tiger years for a long time.

Labour can run and jump, there nearly as bad as FF.

and SF ....well we all know their story!

jesus are you for real about FG check back on some of there election promises ?? and yet you have no time for labour who are currently in government with FG Are you actually trying to blame labour for all the current government issue ?

SF Tell us their story I would be intrested to hear it ..
Personally I will never vote for FG / Labour / FF again ...

SF are putting people out on the streets supporting water protests and it will gain them more votes come election time .. personally I would never give them a vote in the past but beginning to look like a serious option going forward

afro man

An File wrote: »

How many thousands stayed at home to watch Arsenal on the TV?

I don't know but can you tell me how many ?

Beaver1

the papers say 3000 but i think there was more like 8000 marching

jonski

The media say there was 3000 there but I thought there was more at it than at the last one , it seemed bigger , maybe I have overestimated my ability to estimate .

Beaver1

jonski wrote: »

The media say there was 3000 there but I thought there was more at it than at the last one , it seemed bigger , maybe I have overestimated my ability to estimate .

I thought it was the biggest one of the 3 and the 1st one has 6000 at it.