Will the dublin hurlers win an AL in the next 10 years?

jimpump

I think they are on the way with all the minors and u21s coming through
Up the Dubs

Rightwing

Highly unlikely.

jimpump

Rightwing wrote: »

Highly unlikely.

If clare, no hopers a few years ago can do it then so can dublin.

homeofhurling

no they haven't won underage all irelands, they missed the boat the year clare won it.

Realt Dearg Sec

jimpump wrote: »

If clare, no hopers a few years ago can do it then so can dublin.

In case you didn't hear, Dublin people aren't natural hurlers so it doesn't matter whether they're good or what they've won underage, they can't win.

jimpump

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

In case you didn't hear, Dublin people aren't natural hurlers so it doesn't matter whether they're good or what they've won underage, they can't win.

So because we werent born in the sticks we cant hit a sliotar?

Rightwing

jimpump wrote: »

So because we werent born in the sticks we cant hit a sliotar?

They are a poor man's version of KK, lots of fitness and heart and plenty of pulling & dragging & blocking.

jimpump

Rightwing wrote: »

They are a poor man's version of KK, lots of fitness and heart and plenty of pulling & dragging & blocking.

At least we can play football unlike the kk boys. They cant even put out a football team..thats discraceful

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

They are a poor man's version of KK, lots of fitness and heart and plenty of pulling & dragging & blocking.

What a ridiculous comment.
You never cease to amaze me with your enlightening words of wisdom.

Dublin will be a serious hurling team and have hurling astute game management and tactical shrewdness on the side line and innovative coaching the current limerick team lack on management ,Galway,Waterford currently lack in management so all their talents will be wasted while the proven ger cunningham, the proven ed coughlan the young upcoming tommy dunne will get every inch out of dublin

Dublin will win an all ireland before Galway or limerick or Waterford as all three will waste two more years with poor management.

Dublin will be a top four team in two years up there with kilkenny cork,and clare
Dublin hurling has no fears going forward.

Rightwing

jimpump wrote: »

At least we can play football unlike the kk boys. They cant even put out a football team..thats discraceful

I'm not a big football fan, but Dublin seem to me to be the best football team, surprised didn't win it this year.

Dublin hurlers needed to get someone from Tipp, to improve their skill, instead they got someone a club team would have reservations taking on. :rolleyes:

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

I'm not a big football fan, but Dublin seem to me to be the best football team, surprised didn't win it this year.

Dublin hurlers needed to get someone from Tipp, to improve their skill, instead they got someone a club team would have reservations taking on. :rolleyes:

They have tommy dunne up their you do realise he's from Tipperary.

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

What a ridiculous comment.
You never cease to amaze me with your enlightening words of wisdom.

Dublin will be a serious hurling team and have hurling astute game management and tactical shrewdness on the side line and innovative coaching the current limerick team lack on management ,Galway,Waterford currently lack in management so all their talents will be wasted while the proven ger cunningham, the proven ed coughlan the young upcoming tommy dunne will get every inch out of dublin

Dublin will win an all ireland before Galway or limerick or Waterford as all three will waste two more years with poor management.

Dublin will be a top four team in two years up there with kilkenny cork,and clare
Dublin hurling has no fears going forward.

I told you Kilmallock would beat Cratloe, I'm now telling you Dublin are going to fall away. Relegation from 1A, and that Wexford will pass them out.

I also said Tipp would do a demolition job on Cork in last year's semi.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

I'm not a big football fan, but Dublin seem to me to be the best football team, surprised didn't win it this year.

Dublin hurlers needed to get someone from Tipp, to improve their skill, instead they got someone a club team would have reservations taking on. :rolleyes:

And on club point old ger cunningham if you knew as much as you let on you do, you would realise Kilmallock had huge interest in ger cunningham last year amongst many other clubs.
So your myth regards cunnigham is rubbish with respect.

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

And on club point old ger cunningham if you knew as much as you let on you do, you would realise Kilmallock had huge interest in ger cunningham last year amongst many other clubs.
So your myth regards cunnigham is rubbish with respect.

Correct, but they had reservations. The sparrow proved to be a wise choice.

Davys Fits

10 years is a long time to predict ahead. I dont think they will win one in the next 3 or 4 years at least. They will trouble lots of teams but need a few talented (wristy) forwards to bridge the gap. Winning allirelands in Hurling is not as easy as KK may make it look like. I certainly hope they keep competing at the top level and are regulars in the AI semis and if they make a final or two who knows. Even though Waterford never made the breakthrough in the last decade it has to be said that there competitiveness at the top level has done wonders for the game there and that's just as important as winning AI's in the long term.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

I told you Kilmallock would beat Cratloe, I'm now telling you Dublin are going to fall away. Relegation from 1A, and that Wexford will pass them out.

I also said Tipp would do a demolition job on Cork in last year's semi.

Even a stopped clock is right at times

You went for tipp as anyone but cork.


Back to dublin, you right off ger cunningham as a poor coach when you clearly have no idea what your talking bout.

You then made a wild assertion there was no tipp man with Dublin
Tommy dunne is from Tipperary.
Again I had to give you the correct information.
You also insult the intelligent of Ballygunner in Waterford as they had ger cunningham as coach yet you say no club wanted him.
Actually look up the facts before you speak nonense.
By the way Ballygunner won a county title with ger in charge.
Ger also has had huge input ucc sigerson cup wins and also cork senior hurling winning all irelands
He won u15 with cork this year.
Speaking such nonense when the facts are clear exposed your post.

Rightwing

Davys Fits wrote: »

10 years is a long time to predict ahead. I dont think they will win one in the next 3 or 4 years at least. They will trouble lots of teams but need a few talented (wristy) forwards to bridge the gap. Winning allirelands in Hurling is not as easy as KK may make it look like. I certainly hope they keep competing at the top level and are regulars in the AI semis and if they make a final or two who knows. Even though Waterford never made the breakthrough in the last decade it has to be said that there competitiveness at the top level has done wonders for the game there and that's just as important as winning AI's in the long term.

That's their problem in 1 word. Too many grafters.

Waterford were good enough and should have won an AI. Probably down to headless coaches like Justin McCarthy.

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Even a stopped clock is right at times

You went for tipp as anyone but cork.


Back to dublin, you right off ger cunningham as a poor coach when you clearly have no idea what your talking bout.

You then made a wild assertion there was no tipp man with Dublin
Tommy dunne is from Tipperary.
Again I had to give you the correct information.
You also insult the intelligent of Ballygunner in Waterford as they had ger cunningham as coach yet you say no club wanted him.
Actually look up the facts before you speak nonense.
By the way Ballygunner won a county title with ger in charge.
Ger also has had huge input ucc sigerson cup wins and also cork senior hurling winning all irelands
He won u15 with cork this year.
Speaking such nonense when the facts are clear exposed your post.

If Dublin win an AI under Cunningham I'll give you credit. Until then I won't.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

Correct, but they had reservations. The sparrow proved to be a wise choice.

Yes you see again I had tell you the facts.
Now if you knew why did you say nonense before hand no club wanted him


You didn't know he was asked
And check again they wanted him he refused Kilmallock not the other way around as he wanted to stick with ucc and cork development squad and holding out as he knew dublin was looming.

Realt Dearg Sec

jimpump wrote: »

At least we can play football unlike the kk boys. They cant even put out a football team..thats discraceful

Ok I was actually on your side but this kind of ****e talk is too juvenile for my liking. Enjoy football, I'm sure it's ****ing fantastic stuff altogether. You're welcome to it.

homeofhurling

Rightwing wrote: »

If Dublin win an AI under Cunningham I'll give you credit. Until then I won't.

the same could be said about o'shea over tipp

I think this particular Dublin team has probably reached the end of its life cycle and will need some fresh blood to re-invigorate it. There are 5 or 6 players who Dublin hurling owes a lot to but who have just come to the end of the road. I think everyone knows who they are really. Dublin have had one good year one bad year since Anthony Daly took over so next year should be a good one!

With the momentum they had in 2013, losing the semi-final was a major setback. The previous semi-final they had performed well while never really threatening Tipp in 2011, 2012 they didn't perform at all against KK and were unlucky to then draw Clare away but 2013 was their big chance really.

I'll be honest I don't really know much about what's coming up in Dublin but the u21s this year looked fairly mediocre and with Costello and Kilkenny having chosen football that's the main men in that team gone. The full back and captain of the minors in 2012 looked a good prospect but can't think of his name off hand.

The minor team hammered KK out the gate early in the year before petering out as the season progressed so hard to know where their true level is.

Its very hard to know 10 years down the track but I'd be very surprised if Dublin win it in the next 4 or 5 years. New teams have come and gone the last few years and there isn't a huge gap anymore but there still is a gap.

Next year Galway in their first game and it is a huge one for both sides, the winner of that could build a bit of momentum and have a decent year. Its hard to think the loser of that will make any kind of inroads on the championship.

Rightwing

homeofhurling wrote: »

the same could be said about o'shea over tipp

Not really. I'd regard Tipp as having the best hurlers in the country. They did get the most all stars for instance. Dublin clearly don't. Cunningham has a big job on his hands, you'd need an expert for that job.
O Shea should be sacked. Had his chance and couldn't do it.

homeofhurling

Rightwing wrote: »

I'm not a big football fan, but Dublin seem to me to be the best football team, surprised didn't win it this year.

Dublin hurlers needed to get someone from Tipp, to improve their skill, instead they got someone a club team would have reservations taking on. :rolleyes:

wasn't Richard stakelum with Dublin the last few years his tipp two, you should check up facts before you write rubbish you know nothing about.

homeofhurling

Rightwing wrote: »

Not really. I'd regard Tipp as having the best hurlers in the country. They did get the most all stars for instance. Dublin clearly don't. Cunningham has a big job on his hands, you'd need an expert for that job.
O Shea should be sacked. Had his chance and couldn't do it.

kilkenny won 4 titles this year tipp nothing the all stars are a joke have been this 20 year, how could tipp have the best hurlers in the country its 5 years since they won anything:rolleyes:

Rightwing

homeofhurling wrote: »

wasn't Richard stakelum with Dublin the last few years his tipp two, you should check up facts before you write rubbish you know nothing about.

I'm not talking about water boys or the likes, the likes of Sheedy. top job.

J DEERE

Hard to call 10 years ahead but at the moment they wouldn't be in the top 5 teams in the country. Kk, Tipp, Limerick, Clare and Cork are ahead of them and I would be inclined to think that Galway are ahead of them too. They really missed their chance in 2013. The championship was blown wide open that year and it was anyone's for the taking. Tipp and Kk looked rejuvenated this year and were rightly the two teams in the final.

As for KK football, ye can argue all night about KKs lack of a football team but the interest just isn't there. It's a small county with a small population, the counties that can successfully carry teams in both codes are large counties with big populations. Normally half the county devotes itself to hurling and the other half to football. Considering the population of Dublin, the resources, facilities and endless money being thrown at the development of football and hurling in the county, what they have to show for it is very disappointing

Rightwing

homeofhurling wrote: »

kilkenny won 4 titles this year tipp nothing the all stars are a joke have been this 20 year, how could tipp have the best hurlers in the country its 5 years since they won anything:rolleyes:

We need to give Cody respect. Give Tipp Cody and KK O Shea and we'd have a mismatch.

homeofhurling

you would have to give tipp jj delaney, richie hogan, richie power then they might win,

Rightwing

J DEERE wrote: »

Hard to call 10 years ahead but at the moment they wouldn't be in the top 5 teams in the country. Kk, Tipp, Limerick, Clare and Cork are ahead of them and I would be inclined to think that Galway are ahead of them too. They really missed their chance in 2013. The championship was blown wide open that year and it was anyone's for the taking. Tipp and Kk looked rejuvenated this year and were rightly the two teams in the final.

As for KK football, ye can argue all night about KKs lack of a football team but the interest just isn't there. It's a small county with a small population, the counties that can successfully carry teams in both codes are large counties with big populations. Normally half the county devotes itself to hurling and the other half to football. Considering the population of Dublin, the resources, facilities and endless money being thrown at the development of football and hurling in the county, what they have to show for it is very disappointing

I'd go Tipp, KK, Clare, Limk, Cork, Galway. But Galway are a bit of a loose cannon, they could beat any of them or lose to Offaly or Laois.

homeofhurling

J DEERE wrote: »

Hard to call 10 years ahead but at the moment they wouldn't be in the top 5 teams in the country. Kk, Tipp, Limerick, Clare and Cork are ahead of them and I would be inclined to think that Galway are ahead of them too. They really missed their chance in 2013. The championship was blown wide open that year and it was anyone's for the taking. Tipp and Kk looked rejuvenated this year and were rightly the two teams in the final.

As for KK football, ye can argue all night about KKs lack of a football team but the interest just isn't there. It's a small county with a small population, the counties that can successfully carry teams in both codes are large counties with big populations. Normally half the county devotes itself to hurling and the other half to football. Considering the population of Dublin, the resources, facilities and endless money being thrown at the development of football and hurling in the county, what they have to show for it is very disappointing

offaly is a small county didn't stop them beating kilkenny in hurling and kerry in football all irelands.

Rightwing

homeofhurling wrote: »

offaly is a small county didn't stop them beating kilkenny in hurling and kerry in football all irelands.

But look at them now, absolute muck at everything.

Shame they fell off, it was a great achievement, can still remember them winning that AI v Kerry. :pac:

J DEERE

Rightwing wrote: »

They are a poor man's version of KK, lots of fitness and heart and plenty of pulling & dragging & blocking.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that but I feel that Dublin don't hurl with the same fluidity or intelligence as the like of Tipp of Kk. I have rarely seen Dublin hurl and have them produce a passage of play that has made me sit back and say wow. Other teams have. They are big, powerful athletic players but their hurling and play look like it has been done to death on the training ground. The kk forwards interact almost telepathically and have an instinctive finishing ability

A worrying aspect for Dublin is their inability or difficulty getting goals. They have a lot of grafters, ball winners and point scorers but they don't have a goal threat. Look back through the years at the all Ireland finals. Goals win all irelands

Rightwing

J DEERE wrote: »

I wouldn't go so far as to say that but I feel that Dublin don't hurl with the same fluidity or intelligence as the like of Tipp of Kk. I have rarely seen Dublin hurl and have them produce a passage of play that has made me sit back and say wow. Other teams have. They are big, powerful athletic players but their hurling and play look like it has been done to death on the training ground. The kk forwards interact almost telepathically and have an instinctive finishing ability

A worrying aspect for Dublin is their inability or difficulty getting goals. They have a lot of grafters, ball winners and point scorers but they don't have a goal threat. Look back through the years at the all Ireland finals. Goals win all irelands

Any knowledgeable person would agree with that. Why do you think that is the case?

homeofhurling

Rightwing wrote: »

But look at them now, absolute muck at everything.

Shame they fell off, it was a great achievement, can still remember them winning that AI v Kerry. :pac:

yes they are poor at the moment but they are in the two leinster club finals this year, also remember them was it kilcormac-killoughey giving your thurles sarsfields a lesson in hurling two years ago, and yes kerrymen if they live to be 150 willnever forget the 5 in-a-row anyone still got the T-Shirts that said the 5 in-a-row :pac:

savannahkat

Of course Dublin can win the All Ireland Hurling. They should have beaten Cork in last years semi and would have seriously tested Clare and in my opinion would have beaten them. They have already been close, they are one of the strongest at underage so there is no serious reason to say they cannot go the whole way. The improvement in them in the past six years is exemplary. All they need to do is to continue the hard graft and the great work they have been doing and their day will come.

citykat

J DEERE wrote: »

A worrying aspect for Dublin is their inability or difficulty getting goals. They have a lot of grafters, ball winners and point scorers but they don't have a goal threat. Look back through the years at the all Ireland finals. Goals win all irelands

The lack of goals was down to the system Daly had them playing i.e. players lying deep/two man FF line. Very hard to score goals when it's 2 vs 3 in the FF line. Dublin played KK in a league game in NP in 2013 and it was a goal fest; something like 8/9 goals scored in the game.

citykat

Dublin under Daly weren't going to win an AI. He had brought them as far as he could. As mentioned earlier, they had a great opportunity in 2013 when the championship was wide open.
Don't know anything about Cunningham as a trainer but he'll certainly freshen things up for the Dubs being a totally new voice to all of them. They are shy of a few players needed to win an AI though that could be said about some of the other 'top tier' counties. They could do with a slump in the footballers fortunes and hope that some of the dual players come back to the hurling.

citykat

Rightwing wrote: »

I'd regard Tipp as having the best hurlers in the country.

I certainly hope that all those players are in situ next year along with the professor.

Browney7

The problem for Dublin is that they'll realistically always come up against Kilkenny and Cody early in the championship. To win they'd have to be seriously on their game potentially peaking too early, lose and they have the mine field of the qualifiers.

Seeing them against Tipp this year I'd think an all Ireland is a fair bit away for them. They had no fluidity at all that day and were very one dimensional.

braddun

yes

deadybai

As long as Kilkenny are around its hard to see Dublin win the All-Ireland. Dublin would need someone else to beat the Cats to have a shot at the title. Right now Dublin are on the same level as Waterford. Have a few decent hurlers but no one stands out. Where is their Richie Hogan?, Brendan Maher?, Joe Canning?, Pat Horgan?, Seamus Hickey? Danny Sutcliffe is Dublins best player at the moment but would he even make it on to any of this years top 4 teams?

Right now Dublin are almost like a team of young inexperienced hurlers. Dublin have won a lot at underage but physically they are monsters at that age. All that physical development balances out when they reach Senior Level.

Realt Dearg Sec

deadybai wrote: »

Danny Sutcliffe is Dublins best player at the moment but would he even make it on to any of this years top 4 teams?

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In fairness, of course he would. Easily. And he's a 'natural hurler' by any stretch of the imagination as well, though insecure hurling snobs from some counties with inferiority complexes might question that because it doesn't fit their narrative that Dublin are a team of muscle men.

Mal-Adjusted

Of course Dublin can win. Will they win is another question, and ten years is a long time. People were saying that in 2013 they missed their chance, I don't quite buy that. They couldn't beat Cork and (IMO) would have been well beaten by Clare. But this Dublin team isn't the finished article and is still building. They will no doubt be serious contenders. They just have to get all their ducks in a row regarding bringing more players through.

People often say that the true test of a counties potential is in how healthy the club game is. What's the take on that from a Dub's perspective? All we really hear is that so-and-so opted for football or the like.

Peace

Dublin have had reasonable success at under age. Its not easy to win a Leinster championship and since 2010 Dublin have competed in 4 minor finals ('10,'11,'12,'14) winning in '11 and '12. That lead to competing in 2 AI minor finals ('11,12) which were both lost.

At U21 Dublin were in the '11 final as well and have produced Leinster wins in '10 and '11.

The Seniors have won Leinster in 2013 and had 2 AI Semi appearances in the past 5 years as well as the National Hurling league title in 2011. The Leinster and NHL achievements took 52 and 72 years respectively.

The appointment of Ger Cunningham is introducing an unknown quantity into the mix. The recent successes of the hurlers may slightly reduce the draw of underage talent to go to the football panel which is one of the biggest handicap that Dublin hurling faces.

On balance the seniors are missing another 3 top class hurlers and usually struggle in mid field. A couple of the forwards and hitting the downslide of their careers but at the moment the replacements are there and will step up. The problem of midfield will be the biggest challenge to solve.

So whats the answer to the original question... probably.

Mountainlad

Their forwards are poor enough to be honest. They've lost three or four of their best prospects.

Sutcliffe is class, and Colm Cronin looks the part as well. Keaney is very hard to figure out. Can be excellent, and then can have days like the Leinster final where I felt he was the worst player on the field. Ryan O Dwyer wouldn't make the top 4 county teams I would say. I like Dotsy, but didn't see much from him this year. And Paul Ryan has talent, but its telling he's struggled to nail down his place at the team.

I think they are a good bit away, but they are committed. I think Cunningham was a good appointment overall but he has a bit too prove, and there are enough questions over Tommy Dunne who was already involved this year and wouldn't be hearing great stories of his involvement with Tipp.

citykat

deadybai wrote: »

Right now Dublin are on the same level as Waterford.

The results wouldn't bear out that comparison. Dublin dispatched Wexford down in Wexford park earlier this year. Wexford took care of Waterford. I'd fancy the dubs vs the deise any/every time.

Mountainlad

citykat wrote: »

The results wouldn't bear out that comparison. Dublin dispatched Wexford down in Wexford park earlier this year. Wexford took care of Waterford. I'd fancy the dubs vs the deise any/every time.

We're at a low ebb I guess. They had a bit of help off two refs in the league mind and still only bet us once. Think Wexford improved a lot for the game v Dublin. Same can't be said for the Dubs unfortunately.

MfMan

I've wrote here before, I think they need to win an AI club title first. Don't think a Senior AI can be won without the necessary strong club scene which provides the foundation and testing battle ground for the county team. Don't think the domestic championship in Dublin is anywhere nearly as competitive or productive (in terms of supplying players) enough to yet guarantee a good selection for the county team.

Realt Dearg Sec

MfMan wrote: »

I've wrote here before, I think they need to win an AI club title first. Don't think a Senior AI can be won without the necessary strong club scene which provides the foundation and testing battle ground for the county team. Don't think the domestic championship in Dublin is anywhere nearly as competitive or productive (in terms of supplying players) enough to yet guarantee a good selection for the county team.

dunno if they need the club all Ireland as such, but certainly a more competitive club scene in terms of depth of talent across the senior clubs.

citykat

MfMan wrote: »

I've wrote here before, I think they need to win an AI club title first. Don't think a Senior AI can be won without the necessary strong club scene which provides the foundation and testing battle ground for the county team. Don't think the domestic championship in Dublin is anywhere nearly as competitive or productive (in terms of supplying players) enough to yet guarantee a good selection for the county team.

What has winning the club AI done for Galway? You're right about a strong club scene though esp senior. IMO this is more important than any number of minor or U21 successes.