Try before training.

snipe49

Lad when ye get a springer pup would u train it on the whistle before u brought it out to see how good it is. ?

rebok classic

you wont know for a while how good its really going to be so you just have to put in the effort and train it as if it were the best 1 ever you will never get the best out of any pup with that attitude

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

you wont know for a while how good its really going to be so you just have to put in the effort and train it as if it were the best 1 ever you will never get the best out of any pup with that attitude

What attitude i just asked would u go to all the trouble of training a pup before u brought it out to see how it is. ?

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

What attitude i just asked would u go to all the trouble of training a pup before u brought it out to see how it is. ?

Sorry for the dig just there's a lot can be done with a pup in relation to training before its brought out into a field like recall retrieving simulated hunting why would you buy a pup and leave it until it 10 or 12 months to see if it can't hunt and then play catch up put the work in first and then if it is good you have a good head start and a smart little pup to train with a nicely developed brain if not you've learned something along the way on the other hand the good ones are just good from the Off you know them when you see them. Sorry again it's just you see a lot of pups ruined when people take shortcuts not saying you do just that's why I think I reacted like that hope that made some sense

garyc007

Train a bit first anyway,I get them in on commands and basics round the garden first, & if too excited r stuborn in the field then bak to training again,I'd bring them out after 6 months but I'd say keep taining them til 12 months r more until I have them right. I brought 1 of mine out a bit early cos I got him at 7 months & he's only coming right now at 18 months, but that's to my high standards

snipe49

garyc007 wrote: »

Train a bit first anyway,I get them in on commands and basics round the garden first, & if too excited r stuborn in the field then bak to training again,I'd bring them out after 6 months but I'd say keep taining them til 12 months r more until I have them right. I brought 1 of mine out a bit early cos I got him at 7 months & he's only coming right now at 18 months, but that's to my high standards

yes i would go along with that i've seen a lot of dogd trained to a very high standard before they were brought out to the field only to find out they lack the drive needed to be a a good working springer.

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

yes i would go along with that i've seen a lot of dogd trained to a very high standard before they were brought out to the field only to find out they lack the drive needed to be a a good working springer.

exactly so putting the cart before the horse was never going to change what they were ,, so train for a good 1 and if they don't cut it start again, a lot harder to train an older dog with lots of drive that was my point from the start

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

exactly so putting the cart before the horse was never going to change what they were ,, so train for a good 1 and if they don't cut it start again, a lot harder to train an older dog with lots of drive that was my point from the start

I did thing both way this year first springer i fully trained on the whistle and brought her on rabbit when she was fully ready but soon found out she had no drive. So a lot of time wasted. And then the other came from two strong cover dogs done nothing with her until about a month ago just let her be a pup. So as she was 7 months taught i should start her training but this time i brought her out first for a look. Well i wont be training her no drive sickened.

rebok classic

so you judged a dog after 1 trip to the field am i right did you have her retrieving dead rabbits and hunting for dummies before you brought her out

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

so you judged a dog after 1 trip to the field am i right did you have her retrieving dead rabbits and hunting for dummies before you brought her out

just did the blind dummy work with her but tust me when i say she had no drive i mean she had no drive. Not a easy thing to get these days.

ghostmountain

snipe49 wrote: »

I did thing both way this year first springer i fully trained on the whistle and brought her on rabbit when she was fully ready but soon found out she had no drive. So a lot of time wasted. And then the other came from two strong cover dogs done nothing with her until about a month ago just let her be a pup. So as she was 7 months taught i should start her training but this time i brought her out first for a look. Well i wont be training her no drive sickened.

Quote:
I got my first springer 33 years ago and since then have had maybe 20"

For a man with your experience, you seem to know very little about training a dog.

snipe49

ghostmountain wrote: »

Quote:
I got my first springer 33 years ago and since then have had maybe 20"

For a man with your experience, you seem to know very little about training a dog.

What may i ask do you base this on my good fella.

ghostmountain

snipe49 wrote: »

What may i ask do you base this on my good fella.

you claim to have had dogs for over 30 years, yet dont seem to know basic stuff, like whether to train on whistle before bringing out into the field, and after one hunting trip, you make the judgement that the dog has no drive.

Brianmeath

snipe49 wrote: »

I did thing both way this year first springer i fully trained on the whistle and brought her on rabbit when she was fully ready but soon found out she had no drive. So a lot of time wasted. And then the other came from two strong cover dogs done nothing with her until about a month ago just let her be a pup. So as she was 7 months taught i should start her training but this time i brought her out first for a look. Well i wont be training her no drive sickened.

my current dog was sold to me because he had no drive. I got him at 7 months old. He would walk behind me or under my feet. I stuck with him, I was seen in the bottoms of ditch stuck in heavy brambles on my hands and knees calling the dog in to me, I got cut from head to toe to get this dog going. I was called all sorts by gun club men and some even suggest I go get help for me not the dog. Long story short I stuck with the dog till he was about 16 months and he is now 7 and a Hunting Machine. I had lads shoot with me who shoot over springers all over Ireland and the UK and have never seen a dog like him in cover. He will stop for nothing.
I would stick with the dog. If she is 7 months old she is still a pup. Don't loose faith it will come.

snipe49

ghostmountain wrote: »

you claim to have had dogs for over 30 years, yet dont seem to know basic stuff, like whether to train on whistle before bringing out into the field, and after one hunting trip, you make the judgement that the dog has no drive.

I asked the question weather a lad would train first or bring out first i did'nt say i needed to know. And trust me i will know after one trip. If you need any advice on training just ask me my good fella :cool:

snipe49

Brianmeath wrote: »

my current dog was sold to me because he had no drive. I got him at 7 months old. He would walk behind me or under my feet. I stuck with him, I was seen in the bottoms of ditch stuck in heavy brambles on my hands and knees calling the dog in to me, I got cut from head to toe to get this dog going. I was called all sorts by gun club men and some even suggest I go get help for me not the dog. Long story short I stuck with the dog till he was about 16 months and he is now 7 and a Hunting Machine. I had lads shoot with me who shoot over springers all over Ireland and the UK and have never seen a dog like him in cover. He will stop for nothing.
I would stick with the dog. If she is 7 months old she is still a pup. Don't loose faith it will come.

Never mind the dog how are u in cover now. Well done lad.

ghostmountain

snipe49 wrote: »

I asked the question weather a lad would train first or bring out first i did'nt say i needed to know. And trust me i will know after one trip. If you need any advice on training just ask me my good fella :cool:

why would you ask the question if you didn't need to know?? if i need advice on training, i'll go to someone who knows what they are on about, thanks anyway.

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

I asked the question weather a lad would train first or bring out first i did'nt say i needed to know. And trust me i will know after one trip. If you need any advice on training just ask me my good fella :cool:

tragic for that little springer really

snipe49

ghostmountain wrote: »

why would you ask the question if you didn't need to know?? if i need advice on training, i'll go to someone who knows what they are on about, thanks anyway.

Lets just say i was asking to see how other lads would go about it. And don't be so fast to knock someone my good fella :cool:

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

tragic for that little springer really

What do you mean by that My good friend . ?

rebok classic

well you took the dog in the field once decided it had no drive and probably passed it on to someone else to be passed around again not fair on the dog regardless they deserve every chance ,,, straight out here if youve been training dogs for over 30 years ,,might want to think about a new pastime,,

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

well you took the dog in the field once decided it had no drive and probably passed it on to someone else to be passed around again not fair on the dog regardless they deserve every chance ,,, straight out here if youve been training dogs for over 30 years ,,might want to think about a new pastime,,

Just like the other good fella before you' You to are quick to knock. When i think a dog is not good enough to make it as a working dog then i will rehome it in non working home and distroy it papers. I know this country is full of bad working springers who are been breed and their offspring are been sold as working dogs.My good friend.

rebok classic

said probably buddy was open to correction fact still remains you gave a 7 month old pup 1 spin in the field and made a decision it had no drive seems the only drive missing lack is your willingness to put any effort into training a pup, honestly how many dogs have passed through your hands in the last 3 years

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

said probably buddy was open to correction fact still remains you gave a 7 month old pup 1 spin in the field and made a decision it had no drive seems the only drive missing lack is your willingness to put any effort into training a pup, honestly how many dogs have passed through your hands in the last 3 years

There you go again my good fella. who said i gave the dog a spin in the field.
Look the best think u can do is look and lern. Good fella. where did u get the 3 years from.

Dawggone

Hilarious !!!
The sarcasm.

Remember me?

Dawggone wrote: »

Hilarious !!!
The sarcasm.

And a touch of bull **** thrown in too

snipe49

Dawggone wrote: »

Hilarious !!!
The sarcasm.

now now . what do u shoot over my good fella. ?
And the same question to your pal ?

snipe49

Remember me? wrote: »

And a touch of bull **** thrown in too

What do u mean boll .... my good man. :eek:

rebok classic

You said you took the dog into the field . And you've avoided the question looking at your posts you take in and pass on a large number of dogs so I'm asking you for an honest answer how many and I said 3 years because it takes 3 years to make up a good shooting dog 3 years to make 3 minutes to break

Dawggone

rebok classic wrote: »

3 years to make 3 minutes to break

True. Very true.
To polish a dog to top level will probably take longer than three years.

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

You said you took the dog into the field . And you've avoided the question looking at your posts you take in and pass on a large number of dogs so I'm asking you for an honest answer how many and I said 3 years because it takes 3 years to make up a good shooting dog 3 years to make 3 minutes to break

I don't recall saying i take in and move a lot of dogs . What do u shoot over my good fella. And i can tell u give me a springer for a few weeks at 7 months to a year and i will know how good it will be at 3 years old.

rebok classic

I shoot over a few springers ... you still haven't answered the question .. I know you never said .. I said looking back through your posts I noticed you take in and pass on more than the average man I'd know m. Answer the question in hand please

snipe49

Dawggone wrote: »

True. Very true.
To polish a dog to top level will probably take longer than three years.

At last some thing i agree with. BUT u must have the right dog to start with.
You cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. What do u shoot over my good fella. ?

Dawggone

snipe49 wrote: »

now now . what do u shoot over my good fella. ?
And the same question to your pal ?

I shoot over a good 'un. An
English Setter of excellent Provenance.

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

I shoot over a few springers ... you still haven't answered the question .. I know you never said .. I said looking back through your posts I noticed you take in and pass on more than the average man I'd know m. Answer the question in hand please

Are they any good will they wait in heavy cover. How many dogs do the average men you know pass on my good fella

rebok classic

Thought so . A fraud can't answer the question you've said an awful lot by saying nothing

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

Thought so . A fraud can't answer the question you've said an awful lot by saying nothing

I will forgive you this time for calling me a fraud my good fella but keep them comments to yourself . You know nothing about me or my dogs so be a good little and mind your P's and Q's. :cool:

snipe49

Dawggone wrote: »

I shoot over a good 'un. An
English Setter of excellent Provenance.

Very good. have u a springer. ?

rebok classic

So how many then or have you lost count. I'm sure most lads could account for there stock over such a short period of time as you said yourself it take over 3 years to train to a high standard

Dawggone

snipe49 wrote: »

Very good. have u a springer. ?

Not any more. Don't need them.

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

So how many then or have you lost count. I'm sure most lads could account for there stock over such a short period of time as you said yourself it take over 3 years to train to a high standard

I will report you my good fella if u keep this tone with me. :mad:

snipe49

Dawggone wrote: »

Not any more. Don't need them.

Do u shoot woodcock ?

rebok classic

snipe49 wrote: »

I will report you my good fella if u keep this tone with me. :mad:

Haha hahaha please sir you've been avoiding my question like the plague . I mean you no hurt harm or insult I'm only trying to help you km sorry and regret that I've offended you bur you continue to try to sidetrack and distract so 1 last time how many have come gone and stayed over the last 3 years it's a simple question that any gundog one could answer with little thought

Dawggone

snipe49 wrote: »

Do u shoot woodcock ?

Oh yea!
I travel far and wide for the pleasure. It would be my second favorite quarry after grouse.

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

Haha hahaha please sir you've been avoiding my question like the plague . I mean you no hurt harm or insult I'm only trying to help you km sorry and regret that I've offended you bur you continue to try to sidetrack and distract so 1 last time how many have come gone and stayed over the last 3 years it's a simple question that any gundog one could answer with little thought

Less of the haha's my good fella, And i will leave you with this my good fella if you ever need a good springer let me know. hahahaha :pac:

Remember me?

Oh christ ! This is ten times better than the toy show .although there is more children on this ......

Dawggone

Remember me? wrote: »

Oh christ ! This is ten times better than the toy show .although there is more children on this ......

+1.

snipe49

Remember me? wrote: »

Oh christ ! This is ten times better than the toy show .although there is more children on this ......

rebok classic

So how many your ply to avoid is not working and it is a very bad reflection on a dog man if he cannot remember what dogs are coming and going through his hands .. I'm cool for springers at the minute thanks for the offer . Sorry for the haha ha's still awaiting you answer

snipe49

rebok classic wrote: »

So how many your ply to avoid is not working and it is a very bad reflection on a dog man if he cannot remember what dogs are coming and going through his hands .. I'm cool for springers at the minute thanks for the offer . Sorry for the haha ha's still awaiting you answer

You just said my ply for avoiding the question is not working' I think it is my good fella. And i can remember well.

rebok classic

So your admitting that your avoiding the question why so it's no a big deal is it