Cannabis

BmCon

Hi Guys and Gals.

Reading today that cannabis can help people with cancer and other complaints. Also I see states in the US are making medical cannabis legal.

Seem to be coming across a lot of information on Rick Simpson oil and I was wondering If anyone here has every heard of it? or know someone you used it to help them with cancer?

Thanks

Peist2007

And round and round we go!

The_Pretender

Wrong forum for this type of question, maybe try here.

Knasher

Yeah, I've heard of cannabis.

dr.bollocko

I can't believe we never thought to discuss this before.

stimpson

But drugs are illegal and therefore bad.

Turtyturd

I've a complaint about the weather, can cannabis help me?

BmCon

YES I defiantly posted this question in the wrong place. Mod please move or close.

stimpson

Sorry OP - typical AH response. I don't think there is any scientific evidence that cannabis is a magic bullet for cancer.

However, it does seem to help with loss of appetite and nausea from chemotherapy.

catallus

stimpson wrote: »

But drugs are illegal and therefore bad.

Other way round.

They're bad, therefore illegal.

AnonoBoy

It's Cannabare not Cannabis.

Stoned Grammar Polizia.

suicide_circus

without it I could go even...eh...blinder

Super-Rush

Ah jaysus not again.

BmCon

Super-Rush wrote: »

Ah jaysus not again.

Why are you saying "not again"?

Read my OP.

Super-Rush

BmCon wrote: »

Why are you saying "not again"?

Read my OP.

You could have typed cannabis into the search function and added your post to the 420 threads started since September.

Sauve

Super-Rush wrote: »

You could have typed cannabis into the search function and added your post to the 420 threads started since September.

Someone needs a smoke.
Heh

Super-Rush

Sauve wrote: »

Someone needs a smoke.
Heh

I'm all out.

May wait til i get the dole tomorrow.

stimpson

Super-Rush wrote: »

You could have typed cannabis into the search function and added your post to the 420 threads started since September.

I see what you did there.

uch

Super-Rush wrote: »

I'm all out.

May wait til i get the dole tomorrow.

Good Daily Mail Headline there,,

"Dole Scrounger survives on Cannabis and Handouts"

Super-Rush

uch wrote: »

Good Daily Mail Headline there,,

"Dole Scrounger survives on Cannabis and Handouts"

If i had a child we'd be set.

Generic Dreadhead

Oh right.... so um.... we're still doing this are we.... it's been like 5 weeks now

Laura Palmer

AnonoBoy wrote: »

It's Cannabare not Cannabis.

Stoned Grammar Polizia.

They call 'em fingers, but... I've never seen 'em fing.

Oh... they're they go.

Birneybau

stimpson wrote: »

But drugs are illegal and therefore bad.

Mm'kay

JaMarcusHustle

God I hate After Hours. Recognised the OPs username and remembered that he had previously mentioned a loved one of his was battling cancer. So this is clearly a genuine question looking for help and not trying to stir debate or be controversial. Yet you've got a bunch of drooling, dribbling fúcking idiots tripping over themselves to post the most stupid, unfunny comments you can imagine, all for Thanks. So what it's been discussed before? Big deal, ignore it if it bothers you.

OP, you should try the Long Term Illnesses forum for a more civilised and helpful response. I hope everything works out for you

Thanks button needs to removed in the vast majority of forums on here.

AndyBoBandy

stimpson wrote: »

But drugs are illegal and therefore bad.

not the taxable drugs, you know, the really dangerous ones...

AndyBoBandy

a friend of mine, who had very aggressive cancer, smoked cannabis regularly, and found it to be the only medicine that gave him any sort of relief from the pain he was suffering.

He told his doctors this, and they pretty much agreed with him that 'if it works for you, go for it'

BmCon

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

God I hate After Hours. Recognised the OPs username and remembered that he had previously mentioned a loved one of his was battling cancer. So this is clearly a genuine question looking for help and not trying to stir debate or be controversial. Yet you've got a bunch of drooling, dribbling fúcking idiots tripping over themselves to post the most stupid, unfunny comments you can imagine, all for Thanks. So what it's been discussed before? Big deal, ignore it if it bothers you.

OP, you should try the Long Term Illnesses forum for a more civilised and helpful response. I hope everything works out for you

Thanks button needs to removed in the vast majority of forums on here.

they are just kids I think.. no harm. let them have their fun; they don't bother me at all. Ill look at the Long Term Illnesses forum tomorrow.

Thanks

BmCon

Andybobandy wrote: »

a friend of mine, who had very aggressive cancer, smoked cannabis regularly, and found it to be the only medicine that gave him any sort of relief from the pain he was suffering.

He told his doctors this, and they pretty much agreed with him that 'if it works for you, go for it'

This is good to know. Reading a lot today about the RSO cannabis oil. If it works in any way we'd try it for her.

Thanks

Arsemageddon

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

God I hate After Hours. Recognised the OPs username and remembered that he had previously mentioned a loved one of his was battling cancer. So this is clearly a genuine question looking for help and not trying to stir debate or be controversial. Yet you've got a bunch of drooling, dribbling fúcking idiots tripping over themselves to post the most stupid, unfunny comments you can imagine, all for Thanks. So what it's been discussed before? Big deal, ignore it if it bothers you.

Apparently cannabis is also very effective for people with anger management issues.

looking_around

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

God I hate After Hours. Recognised the OPs username and remembered that he had previously mentioned a loved one of his was battling cancer. So this is clearly a genuine question looking for help and not trying to stir debate or be controversial. Yet you've got a bunch of drooling, dribbling fúcking idiots tripping over themselves to post the most stupid, unfunny comments you can imagine, all for Thanks. So what it's been discussed before? Big deal, ignore it if it bothers you.

OP, you should try the Long Term Illnesses forum for a more civilised and helpful response. I hope everything works out for you

Thanks button needs to removed in the vast majority of forums on here.

Or a warning when posting a thread to AH.
"This may not be the sub forum you want, please contact one of the following mods to double check if you're not sure where to post."

Tirnanog79

BmCon wrote: »

This is good to know. Reading a lot today about the RSO cannabis oil. If it works in any way we'd try it for her.

Thanks

Did you find any help regarding your search.
Any update on the patient ?

ScumLord

BmCon wrote: »

Seem to be coming across a lot of information on Rick Simpson oil and I was wondering If anyone here has every heard of it?

I've heard of cannabis oil being used to cure all sorts of things. Unfortunately it all seems to come from individuals, blogs, youtube videos. Real medical companies are still hiding their cannabis research behind doors, we've only seen the first trials of the UKs cannabis based spray Sativex is out there no but not easy to get your hands on I'd assume.

Cannabis oils are hard to get and ridiculously expensive because you're turning the plant that could get dozens of people stoned into a tiny bottle of oil for one person.

I would have no idea if they work, the guys promoting them had the oil curing everything from lung cancer to skin marks. It all sounded too good to be true.

Shrap

ScumLord wrote: »

I would have no idea if they work, the guys promoting them had the oil curing everything from lung cancer to skin marks. It all sounded too good to be true.

I too have heard many folk spouting off about how some guy they know shrivelled his tumour in weeks and went on to live 10 years longer than his original prognosis, and then telling me that the reason this medical breakthrough hasn't been made public is because cannabis/police state/big pharma.....

When my aunt was so sick from Chemo last year, although the medication was destroying her cancer cells, it was really hard on her and everyone else of course. Terrible to see, and the possibility of her dying during the treatment was very high. I can understand how people would be desperately hoping there's a better way to try for a cure, but I can't justify folk actually recommending a course of treatment that may not really be treatment.

We just don't know yet, and perhaps that IS the fault of "big-pharma" and vested interests, perhaps it IS the cure for everything but when a person I knows well virtually gives out to me for not trying something "natural" instead of the one thing that works to beat cancer in modern peer-reviewed medical science, then I will take offence on behalf of my aunt's life. There are other vested interests involved in pushing treatments that may not work or may clash badly with other medications. That is all.

ScumLord

Shrap wrote: »

I can understand how people would be desperately hoping there's a better way to try for a cure, but I can't justify folk actually recommending a course of treatment that may not really be treatment.

I think the big obvious benefit for people going through chemo is for pain relief and apatite. So it's worth a try, it may not actually cure you but I think if it can help the person feel better it will be easier for them to recover.

There are other vested interests involved in pushing treatments that may not work or may clash badly with other medications. That is all.

The problem is that companies do seem to be having positive results, they've found that cannabis can help with lung cancer and seems to combat all kinds of cancer. Of course the pharma companies need to turn that into a patentable product. It will be all to easy for another pharma company to just copy the pill, growing cannabis is one of the easiest things in the world to do as well.

It's very hard to cut through the bul**** though. As with all debates your get people talking polar opposite viewpoints and digging in with no intention of dealing with the facts or each other.

SeanW

catallus wrote: »

Other way round.

They're bad, therefore illegal.

Tell that to all the people with Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS, chronic pains and late stage cancer that would have a different view ...

kjl

Hanging on the promises in songs of yesterday
An' I've made up my mind, I ain't wasting no more time

Tirnanog79

Very intersesting read on Wiki and talk on Ted about a strain of cannabis with no THC.
The weed is called Charlotte's Web and it's named after a little girl that its helping.

Still new here so cant post link

InTheTrees

Medicinal weed is usually high in CBD and low in THC.

Here's a review of Charlottes web:

http://www.leafly.com/sativa/charlottes-web

DamagedTrax

kjl wrote: »

Hanging on the promises in songs of yesterday
An' I've made up my mind, I ain't wasting no more time

whitesnake?

DamagedTrax

InTheTrees wrote: »

Medicinal weed is usually high in CBD and low in THC.

Here's a review of Charlottes web:

http://www.leafly.com/sativa/charlottes-web

anti-cannabis stance:

they all just wanna get high.



pro-cannabis reality:

This strain is effective with little to no psychoactive effects, making it great for those who don’t want their medication to affect their daily tasks

Charlotte's Web Out of 20 ratings: 4.2 Outstanding



funny how a bunch of stoners will rate it outstanding, when it has little psychoactive effects. maybe we all dont just wanna get high after all

mikom

DamagedTrax wrote: »

whitesnake?

Good strain........

Shrap

ScumLord wrote: »

I think the big obvious benefit for people going through chemo is for pain relief and apatite. So it's worth a try, it may not actually cure you but I think if it can help the person feel better it will be easier for them to recover.

Quite right, so long as it doesn't interfere with the 10+ medications that a person battling cancer is typically on. For pain relief and anti nausea, if cannabis oil was available you can be sure my aunt would have taken it. However, in the case of my "learned friend" and his cohorts, it was being dangerously recommended INSTEAD of chemo.

It's very hard to cut through the bul**** though. As with all debates your get people talking polar opposite viewpoints and digging in with no intention of dealing with the facts or each other.

With due respect to your open minded opinion (I have a similar opinion), the bullsh1t propagated (no pun intended) by people who would willingly propose that a person with cancer should go the "natural" route with cannabis oil based solely on their anecdotal evidence makes me want to shut them the fcuk up. Quite severely and possibly with an implement. :mad:

ScumLord

Shrap wrote: »

Quite right, so long as it doesn't interfere with the 10+ medications that a person battling cancer is typically on. For pain relief and anti nausea, if cannabis oil was available you can be sure my aunt would have taken it. However, in the case of my "learned friend" and his cohorts, it was being dangerously recommended INSTEAD of chemo.

It's not an alternative. I think doctors should be able to consider cannabis, not smoking it either, that's pointless and eating would be far more effective for pain relief. Cannabis seems to able able to do the work of several anti pain and apatite drugs with less side effects or more acceptable side effects.

I'm not promoting it as a cure or alternative to actual chemo. I just find the possibility of it being part of the cure interesting.

With due respect to your open minded opinion (I have a similar opinion), the bullsh1t propagated (no pun intended) by people who would willingly propose that a person with cancer should go the "natural" route with cannabis oil based solely on their anecdotal evidence makes me want to shut them the fcuk up. Quite severely and possibly with an implement. :mad:

Of course, some people have dug into the cannabis is the cure for everything and the pharma companies are lying to you camp and won't be budged. It's a dangerous way to think, although I think when you're faced with actual cancer you'll do whatever your doctor recommends. It's a bit like how Christians say "ah, you'll change your tune on your deathbed", when it comes down to it i think most naysayers will turn to real doctors and hospitals.

Shrap

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not an alternative. I think doctors should be able to consider cannabis, not smoking it either, that's pointless and eating would be far more effective for pain relief. Cannabis seems to able able to do the work of several anti pain and apatite drugs with less side effects or more acceptable side effects.

Oh, totally. I have a friend who is wracked with pain from MS and uses cannabis boiled in milk, then frozen into cubes for his cocoa! Works better than anything that can be got on perscription, according to him....and he should know. He's in severe pain each and every day. I think he has found a source for cannabis oil at this stage actually. However, your last point would be similar to my stand point (just without the violent thoughts ).

the dark phantom

Knasher wrote: »

Yeah, I've heard of cannabis.

Its great stuff..

ScumLord

Shrap wrote: »

Works better than anything that can be got on perscription, according to him....and he should know. He's in severe pain each and every day.

It's a strange kind of pain relief too, it doesn't as such make the pain go away, you can still feel it you just don't care about it and it doesn't bother you as much. The big benefit of that over drugs that make the pain go away is that you won't start acting like you're fine and start doing damage because you can't feel anything, then end up in a hoop the next day because you undid all the repair work your body did.

There are huge benefits and the only downside is being stoned. Although, I don't see that as a downside.

Shrap

ScumLord wrote: »

There are huge benefits and the only downside is being stoned. Although, I don't see that as a downside.

Pretty sure that if I'm ever in severe pain, I won't be holding back Being stoned is only a downside when you have other stuff to do, but if it's all you can do to hold pain at bay, people will just have to put up with me looking bug-eyed and vacant. Possibly giggling also. And never remembering what the brilliant world-changing epiphany I reached 5 minutes ago was about......

BetterThanThou

Personally, I'm not sold on the whole cannabis cures cancer thing, I just don't see how it's possible. But, that said, I'm definitely for the use of medical cannabis. I can speak from personal experience and say it definitely helps with anxiety, nausea and pain. I suffer from anxiety, though luckily I can somewhat manage it, but whenever I smoke, it completely vanishes, if I had access to affordable cannabis and could reliably source suitable strains, I could see it being a great way to deal with anxiety when I'm having a bad period. As far as nausea is concerned, I've never had any conditions leading to severe nausea, luckily, but I have had short term infections which lead to it, and cannabis allowed me to eat and drink, and I personally think recover much quicker, hell, it even helps with hangover nausea! As far as pain is concerned, I usually deal with back pain which luckily I'd only describe as moderate, but sometimes it gets severe, and cannabis works better than anything else I've tried, and I've tried pretty much everything that's not opiates.

Tirnanog79

It may not cure anything. But it sure does help the patient cope with the illness.
And if it easies pain then it should be used.
Regarding the oil. I believe it takes 16 ounces to make 50ml of oil. That is probably 8 plants making 2 ounces each.
Quite expensive.

DamagedTrax

Regarding the oil. I believe it takes 16 ounces to make 50ml of oil. That is probably 8 plants making 2 ounces each.
Quite expensive.

you need a new gardener, thats a shockingly bad yield :eek: :P

Irishcrx

Hi OP,

Beyond the mostly A typical after hours response , I remember reading the threat about your troubles and am very sorry for what your going through, it's not easy at all. I've lost two people close to me to it so understand where your coming from.

Yes Cannabis helps relieve pain caused by cancer, I don't really care what facts do or do not back this up or what way they swing it. It does and that's that hence why the US have been one of the first to cop on and use it as a medicine for not only cancer but other illness as well.

But in terms of cancer, I've seen it relieve pain in my loved ones particularly through the chemotherapy sessions , the THC in Cannabis triggers glands that activate your 'Hunger' so it helps deal with loss of appetite and in turn keeping your strength up. It also helps with the sickness, I don't know why but you get 'sick' (Vomiting) much less after taking it. For pain relieve you want a strain that is high in CBD.

I'm no doctor, but what do they know about it anyway, probably everything I've said above but their hands are tied. I'd recommend it for sure. My only advice if you do go down that route (And here lies the issue) is that poor quality street cannabis won't do the job , you'll need to secure decent quality (Medical grade) cannbis to have the most effect.

I'm not ashamed to say that I done this for my loved one's in their final year, I grew it myself for them and supplied them with it. Had my door being kicked in I'd have happily went to court and told the judge what I was doing and why I was doing it and if they wanted to slam me away for it I'd happily go in the knowledge that I helped take away at least a small amount of their suffering.

BTW I don't smoke it anymore myself and I didn't sell any of it either. I did it for free because I had the knowledge of how to do it correctly from when I was younger.