Do you know where your DOG is? [WARNING: CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES]

Connemara Farmer

WARNING:

Do NOT open any of these links if you think you will be UPSET at seeing what a dog can do to sheep, and what happens when the dog is caught, they are GRAPHIC.

I've attached the photos as links on purpose so people don't HAVE to see them.

The "Photo via Text" was sent to me this morning, this poor bastard of a lamb was still alive, but put down immediately.

The "Bodies" photo I took myself and shows five dead lambs and the culprit who is also heavily suspected of two other attacks in two different locations in the area this year.

Now I've just received the "Second Photo via Text", they're STILL finding dead and wounded sheep.

There are also sheep dead in sea, savaged and chased into the tide to DROWN.

I said

Hope ye get the bastard that owns the dog

_Brian

I wonder would some of the mods of the pets forum copy the post over there just to reinforce the importance of proper responsible dog control.

Makes me very angry to see this sort of thing !!

Regularly on that forum you'll see owners complaining that their dog has been shot or a farmer has warned that next time the dog will be shot for worrying animals....

Kovu

Ah jesus, that first photo. The poor thing.

I am an avid pet lover but anyone who lets dogs out to roam and cause atrocities like this should be dragged through the courts as an example.

Username John

I said wrote: »

Hope ye get the bastard that owns the dog

+100

Sickening, had dogs attack here before, it would drive you absolutely mad with rage. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Cran

This is the reason I have no 2nd chance policy here, spent half the night after two dogs recently found it very upsetting to have to do it. There are 4 dogs in our house and I just cant understand people who dont have their dog under control, if the house dog is out of sight for 5 minutes she's looked for.....

Username John

_Brian wrote: »

I wonder would some of the mods of the pets forum copy the post over there just to reinforce the importance of proper responsible dog control.

Makes me very angry to see this sort of thing !!

Regularly on that forum you'll see owners complaining that their dog has been shot or a farmer has warned that next time the dog will be shot for worrying animals....

Good idea.

Kovu

Username John wrote: »

Good idea.

I'll send them on a message and take it from there.

knucklehead6

I've recently started back into hiking and trail walks etc and people look at me cock eyed when I tell them I DON'T bring my dogs out with me.

My father grew up on a farm, we spent most summers as kids back on that farm, there is not a chance I'd risk the health of livestock (or my dogs!! ) out hiking.

Dawggone

Settle.
Dog owning bast*ards..... Atrocities....

Very strong and emotive.
A good discussion is rarely achieved with emotive language.

I totally agree with the topic though and always have my dogs kenneled.


It's about lack of respect and ignorance of the nature of dogs.

Sittingpretty

Kovu wrote: »

Ah jesus, that first photo. The poor thing.

I am an avid pet lover but anyone who lets dogs out to roam and cause atrocities like this should be dragged through the courts as an example.

This. I couldn't agree more.

I have an almost 8 year old German Shepherd. I have no doubt she would worry and chase livestock were she to be allowed roam.

She's mostly inside and when outside is in an enclosed yard. She sleeps crated indoors. If she's not with me in the house I panic, I can't imagine just allowing a dog to roam and hoping for the best that it will come home of an evening.

So awful for the animals and the dog in the pics. None of them to blame. Irresponsible pet owners fault. Totally.

Ave Sodalis

What I don't understand is why the dog needs to get shot when it's the owners responsibility...
Let's say on the very very off chance my dog started chasing sheep, I would much rather rehome the dog to a city location. It solves all problems, the sheep are safer and the dog isn't killed for what is essentially a natural thing for a dog to do.

I said

sup_dude wrote: »

What I don't understand is why the dog needs to get shot when it's the owners responsibility...
Let's say on the very very off chance my dog started chasing sheep, I would much rather rehome the dog to a city location. It solves all problems, the sheep are safer and the dog isn't killed for what is essentially a natural thing for a dog to do.

All well and good what do you suggest happens to you for not having control of the dog at all times?

Ave Sodalis

I said wrote: »

All well and good what do you suggest happens to you for not having control of the dog at all times?

Personally, having to get rid of the dog would be traumatic enough. However, fines to the value of the sheep.

Genghis Cant

It's sickening, utterly horrendous.

We really need compulsory microchiping that the registered owner can be held responsible.

Even this won't be enough in all cases but it would be a start.

DBB

sup_dude wrote: »

Personally, having to get rid of the dog would be traumatic enough. However, fines to the value of the sheep.

What do you do when the dog is in the process of ripping your lambs' noses off? Call him over and give him a Bonio?!
I think most farmers, to their credit, will try to spare the dog. But if the dog is right in the middle of the act, I'd have no qualms about the dog having to die there and then, to stop any further damage.
It's one dog or multiple sheep. An easy choice if we're making a call on ending the suffering.
I'm not a farmer btw, and I am a serious dog lover, but Jesus, you've got to draw a line somewhere.
Those photos are deeply, deeply upsetting.

DBB

_Brian wrote: »

I wonder would some of the mods of the pets forum copy the post over there just to reinforce the importance of proper responsible dog control.

Makes me very angry to see this sort of thing !!

Regalwaysly on that forum you'll see owners complaining that their dog has been shot or a farmer has warned that next time the dog will be shot for worrying animals....

I have no problem cross posting this to the Animals and Pets forum, but want to just say in our defence, that the occasional person who posts about how they're in trouble with a local farmer because of their dogs, are almost always one-off posters, never to be heard from again.
I can assure you that everyone who uses our forum with even vague regularity will be horrified by what's happened these sheep, and are really not the type of people who let their dogs out to bother anyone.
That said, of course the more the word is spread, the better, and if another bloodbath can be avoided because of it, I'm all on for it.
Will link it now.
Thanks folks.

Username John

sup_dude wrote: »

What I don't understand is why the dog needs to get shot when it's the owners responsibility...
Let's say on the very very off chance my dog started chasing sheep, I would much rather rehome the dog to a city location. It solves all problems, the sheep are safer and the dog isn't killed for what is essentially a natural thing for a dog to do.

You are right to say it is / was the owners responsibility, they failed in their responsibilities, the dog is now a danger to livestock, so it should be put down.

Moving the problem along to where the risk is lesser is not an acceptable solution.

Genghis Cant

sup_dude wrote: »

What I don't understand is why the dog needs to get shot when it's the owners responsibility....

The dog needs to be shot because it's in the act of slaughtering someones livestock, the longer it goes on the more suffering and loss to the animals and farmer.
As gruesome as the pictures are, they don't begin to explain the loss and ruin that's caused here.

Ave Sodalis

DBB wrote: »

What do you do when the dog is in the process of ripping your lambs' noses off? Call him over and give him a Bonio?!
I think most farmers, to their credit, will try to spare the dog. But if the dog is right in the middle of the act, I'd have no qualms about the dog having to die there and then, to stop any further damage.
It's one dog or multiple sheep. An easy choice if we're making a call on ending the suffering.
I'm not a farmer btw, and I am a serious dog lover, but Jesus, you've got to draw a line somewhere.
Those photos are deeply, deeply upsetting.

Oh yeah, I'm not talking about that, that's understandable. I mean if the dog is already running or has gone and the farmer goes looking for it.

To the other two posters, I was saying why not allow the dog to be rehomed, to a location without livestock. Not that the owner keep the dog and having nothing but fines. I dont see how that's not a solution when the dog is no longer a threat.

thierry14

Sittingpretty wrote: »

This. I couldn't agree more.

I have an almost 8 year old German Shepherd. I have no doubt she would worry and chase livestock were she to be allowed roam.

She's mostly inside and when outside is in an enclosed yard. She sleeps crated indoors. If she's not with me in the house I panic, I can't imagine just allowing a dog to roam and hoping for the best that it will come home of an evening.

So awful for the animals and the dog in the pics. None of them to blame. Irresponsible pet owners fault. Totally.

Agree

Absolutely hate seeing dogs roaming free without owners in site.

It should be banned completely with huge fines for owners and dog's put down if caught more than once.

Drives me crazy when owners think it's ok for there small westie's, terrier's etc to be free to roam just because they are small.

Just last week I saw 3 little westie type dogs attack a labrador being walked by a woman in her 50's.

I had to get out of my car to help her keep them away, luckily the labrador was a quiet a dog and didn't pull the women to the floor to get at the little dogs.

I was secretly hoping the labrador did serious damage to one of them to teach them a lesson, but it's not the dogs fault, it's the owners, I was wrong to think like that.

bb12

sup_dude wrote: »

Oh yeah, I'm not talking about that, that's understandable. I mean if the dog is already running or has gone and the farmer goes looking for it.

To the other two posters, I was saying why not allow the dog to be rehomed, to a location without livestock. Not that the owner keep the dog and having nothing but fines. I dont see how that's not a solution when the dog is no longer a threat.

in my experience there have been many occasions where a dog owner has been warned that their dog was out roaming, given a second chance and they still didn't stop the problem. so now dog owners have actually taught us to have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to roaming dogs. and it's hard because we're dog lovers and solely blame the dog owners so it's unfortunate that they dog has to suffer because of its stupid owner. but it's our responsibility to our livestock to protect them at all costs.

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sup_dude wrote: »

Oh yeah, I'm not talking about that, that's understandable. I mean if the dog is already running or has gone and the farmer goes looking for it.

To the other two posters, I was saying why not allow the dog to be rehomed, to a location without livestock. Not that the owner keep the dog and having nothing but fines. I dont see how that's not a solution when the dog is no longer a threat.

Once it has tasted blood.. It's dangerous.
The other alternative is to spare the dog and shoot the owner.

My brother had a German Shepherd which ran away from a fly, but when it chased his sheep to play with them he got a gun and put her down himself.

Miname

Unfortunately I'm one of those pet owners. I've a guard dog that snapped its shackle. Killed two ewes by the time someone got to him. We called vet and paid all expenses and the owner wouldn't take money but we knew he was short silage so dropped over enough

DBB

Damien Clean Boy wrote: »

Once it has tasted blood.. It's dangerous.
The other alternative is to spare the dog and shoot the owner.

Whilst I'd agree that once a dog has chased and/or killed sheep (for many dogs, the chase is far more rewarding than the kill) it is now a liability to have around sheep or any livestock, it does not mean the dog suddenly becomes dangerous to anything but livestock.
Rehoming a livestock chaser that has no history of aggression towards humans to a city home is an acceptable compromise often given by district court judges.

Zoo4m8

Thanks Con for posting these photos, if it makes even one dog owner think about their responsibilities then it's worth it..
Over many years I have seen this and far worse so often, I get seriously upset and angry so I'm not going to comment further....for the moment..

Cattlepen

sup_dude wrote: »

What I don't understand is why the dog needs to get shot when it's the owners responsibility...
Let's say on the very very off chance my dog started chasing sheep, I would much rather rehome the dog to a city location. It solves all problems, the sheep are safer and the dog isn't killed for what is essentially a natural thing for a dog to do.

What you don't understand is that all dogs have a very primal instinct to hunt prey and especially in a pack. Rehomethe dog and then maybe a child in the city can have its face taken off?? Then where do we rehome this "pet". When they get a taste for the hunt it will never leave them. Putting them down is the humane thing to do

SeventySix

DBB wrote: »

Whilst I'd agree that once a dog has chased and/or killed sheep (for many dogs, the chase is far more rewarding than the kill) it is now a liability to have around sheep or any livestock, it does not mean the dog suddenly becomes dangerous to anything but livestock.
Rehoming a livestock chaser that has no history of aggression towards humans to a city home is an acceptable compromise often given by district court judges.

How does that work? Who keeps the dog while they are waiting to be re-homed? Is anyone going to take a dog from the pound that is there because they killed livestock, a country dog that would probably need extensive retraining? How happy would a dog that had been allowed to roam the countryside be in the city? It just doesn't seem feasible in most cases.

onyerbikepat

In reality how far away is a dog like that, from attcking a small child. You have to wonder.

Ranchu

onyerbikepat wrote: »

In reality how far away is a dog like that, from attcking a small child. You have to wonder.

I'd spend my time wondering about something else if I was you.

Dog owners should be made keep dogs on leads at all times unless they are in a designated area. People will always overestimate how much control they have on an off lead dog.

doubter

DBB wrote: »

Whilst I'd agree that once a dog has chased and/or killed sheep (for many dogs, the chase is far more rewarding than the kill) it is now a liability to have around sheep or any livestock, it does not mean the dog suddenly becomes dangerous to anything but livestock.
Rehoming a livestock chaser that has no history of aggression towards humans to a city home is an acceptable compromise often given by district court judges.

+1. I own 2 sled dogs which WILL go after sheep. They never even get into smelling vicinity of them,. but if they were to get to them and worry them (again that is absolutely impossible in my case) I would fight high and low to pay a fine & and reimburse any and all losses to the farmer (including vet costs etc ) and re-home the dogs to a non livestock environment.