If all players had to return to their parent club

Saipanne

Imagine if FIFA said that all players can only play for the club they started their senior professional careers with. Bale returns to Southhampton, Messi stays at Barcelona, Gotze returns to Dortmund, and so on.

Who would have the best team in England, in your opinion? In Europe? The world?

Discuss.

Edit. To be clear. A player making his debut while on loan doesn't count. The club that owned him counts here. For whom did he make his senior pro debut for, with tha club owning his contract, etc.

greendom

Sepp Blatter as Herod ? I'm sure that there are plenty who can see the likeness!

CSF

You'd have to imagine Barcelona, Bayern would also probably have a decent shout. But at what age are we determining parent club?

Reganio 2

CSF wrote: »

You'd have to imagine Barcelona, Bayern would also probably have a decent shout. But at what age are we determining parent club?

That's the thing need to know what age cut off point is. Messis parent club could really be Newells in Argentina depending on the cut off point.

Iang87

OP says senior professional careers so I suppose in hypothetical land its whoever they made their senior debut with

Saipanne

Iang87 wrote: »

OP says senior professional careers so I suppose in hypothetical land its whoever they made their senior debut with

Correct.

GLaDOS

Dutch clubs would likely do quite well out of this.

Captain Havoc

League of Ireland teams would also do well.

Professional Griefer

What about the opposite, who would have the worst team?

RasTa

Professional Griefer wrote: »

What about the opposite, who would have the worst team?

Chelsea or City without much thought put into that answer

GavRedKing

Professional Griefer wrote: »

What about the opposite, who would have the worst team?

Chelsea :pac:

Liam O

Sporting Lisbon would probably be in good shape, but yeah, basically the answer is Barcelona.

Mint Sauce

Captain Havoc wrote: »

League of Ireland teams would also do well.

Coleman would be winning medals with Sligo Rovers.

Donnielighto

What if a player had their first senior appearance while on loan?

Saipanne

Donnielighto wrote: »

What if a player had their first senior appearance while on loan?

Yeah. Let's just keep it to the club they are contracted to, at that time.

Iago

RasTa wrote: »

Chelsea or City without much thought put into that answer

I don't know, United would be right up there tbf

wadacrack

southampton would be v strong..lallana, walcott,bale, oxlade chamberlain, shaw, chambers, nathan dyer

Wolf Club

Of the English clubs, I guess Southampton would win the league every year? Bale, Walcott, Lallana, Shaw, Oxlade Chamberlain, Chambers. Of all the players currently on the England squad, the largest contingency of any academy would be there's.

Everton would be up there as well.

bucketybuck

Iago wrote: »

I don't know, United would be right up there tbf

TBF nothing, United have an absolute raft of ex-players still playing at a very high level, they would do very well in a scenario like this.

CSF

bucketybuck wrote: »

TBF nothing, United have an absolute raft of ex-players still playing at a very high level, they would do very well in a scenario like this.

Did the likes of Shawcross make their senior debuts at United?

Saipanne

Recent Southampton graduates. Notable.


Gareth Bale
Leon Best
Wayne Bridge
Calum Chambers
Adam Lallana
Ox
Luke Shaw
Theo Walcott

That's impressive for a small club.

bullvine

It would be United, think of the amount of ex players they'd have back, they'd have Paul Pogba!

Godge

It is not so simple as that. Both UEFA and the Premier League apply a test of home-grown to players so that they have to have spent three years between the ages of 16 and 21 at the club.

Players like Walcott and the OX are Arsenal's using that criteria, not Southampton's. Fabregas is Arsenal too.

All Premier League teams would weaken because by playing at a higher level, they loan players out to lower levels to make their first-team debut.

Ashley Cole made one appearance for Arsenal before he went on loan, but if he hadn't, his 14 appearances in three months for Crystal Palace would have made him their player even though he spent little time with them under the OP's criteria.

Saipanne

Godge wrote: »

It is not so simple as that. Both UEFA and the Premier League apply a test of home-grown to players so that they have to have spent three years between the ages of 16 and 21 at the club.

Players like Walcott and the OX are Arsenal's using that criteria, not Southampton's. Fabregas is Arsenal too.

All Premier League teams would weaken because by playing at a higher level, they loan players out to lower levels to make their first-team debut.

Ashley Cole made one appearance for Arsenal before he went on loan, but if he hadn't, his 14 appearances in three months for Crystal Palace would have made him their player even though he spent little time with them under the OP's criteria.

Read the thread. We dealt with loans. I just edited the op, on this.

Plus, this is a thought exercise. Allow wiggle room for nitty points.

bullvine

Arsenal would have Fabregas, Scnezny, Wilshere,

DoctorGonzo08

bucketybuck wrote: »

TBF nothing, United have an absolute raft of ex-players still playing at a very high level, they would do very well in a scenario like this.

Who? Pogba, Pique, Rossi, Welbeck, Morrison, Fryers, Shawcross, Gibson, O'Shea? Wouldn't really set the world alight tbf.

Everton or Southampton would most likely be in the best shape. Leeds and Crewe would benefit most from it though I'd think. West Ham would have five years ago.

LuckyLloyd

You'd probably find a lot of similarities to the early - mid seventies in terms of which clubs dominate Domestic leagues and win European Trophies.

Important to bear in mind that City's incredible investment levels in their academy and youth development wouldn't disappear overnight. They would likely be significant players in years to come.

Giggsy11

ManUtd would be among favorites to win the league.

All these players played their first professional game for either ManUtd or other team when contracted with ManUtd

Robert Zeiler

Rafael Pique Shawcorss/Evans Fabio/Fryers

Pogba Cleverley/Fletcher

Januzaj Rossi Brady

Welbeck

With players like Gibson, Rochardson, OShea, Brown, Drinkwater, De Laet, Campbell, Morrison on the bench.

greendom

Giggsy11 wrote: »

ManUtd would be among favorites to win the league.

All these players played their first professional game for either ManUtd or other team when contracted with ManUtd

Robert Zeiler

Rafael Pique Shawcorss/Evans Fabio/Fryers

Pogba Cleverley/Fletcher

Januzaj Rossi Brady

Welbeck

With players like Gibson, Rochardson, OShea, Brown, Drinkwater, De Laet, Campbell, Morrison on the bench.

That really doesn't sound like a team that would conquer all that lay before it

uch

Crewe Alexandra would defo be in the Champions league every year

Rob Jones
Seth Johnson
Danny Murphy
John Pearson
David Platt
Geoff Thomas

to name a few

bucketybuck

DoctorGonzo08 wrote: »

Who? Pogba, Pique, Rossi, Welbeck, Morrison, Fryers, Shawcross, Gibson, O'Shea? Wouldn't really set the world alight tbf.

The original poster commented that United would be right up there for being one of the worst teams in this scenario, you might not call it the greatest team of all time but the idea that they would be one of the worst team is clearly not true.

Giggsy11

greendom wrote: »

That really doesn't sound like a team that would conquer all that lay before it

Yeah because I said this team would beat whatever is put infront of them isn't it.

Go on and make a miles better team in PL.

GLaDOS

greendom wrote: »

That really doesn't sound like a team that would conquer all that lay before it

The standard of most of the teams in the premier league would drop quite badly in fairness

Will I Amnt

greendom wrote: »

That really doesn't sound like a team that would conquer all that lay before it

Maybe not but who exactly would they going to be up against?
There's not going to be any team that looks all conquering.

bucketybuck

greendom wrote: »

That really doesn't sound like a team that would conquer all that lay before it

Once again, who said they would? The original claim was that United would be right up there as the worst team in this scenario.. Clearly they would not be anything like the worst team, in fact they can make a pretty good stab at being one of the best.

Stop comparing that team to the current Chelsea/Barca/City teams, compare them to the Chelsea/Barca/City teams they would have under the same constraint.

jonneymendoza

Arsenal

jonneymendoza

bullvine wrote: »

Arsenal would have Fabregas, Scnezny, Wilshere,

rvp as well

Giggsy11

jonneymendoza wrote: »

rvp as well

Not sure you read the OP correctly.

GLaDOS

jonneymendoza wrote: »

rvp as well

Nope, played for Feyenoord

CSF

Shawcross would be Stoke btw, made his senior debut there

Giggsy11

CSF wrote: »

Shawcross would be Stoke btw, made his senior debut there

Made his professional debut for Antwerp when he was still ManUtd player.

greendom

So basically, in this scenario, the EPL would be ****e!

doncarlos

greendom wrote: »

So basically, in this scenario, the EPL would be ****e!

Proper order too! :P

Giggsy11

greendom wrote: »

So basically, in this scenario, the EPL would be ****e!

Try Madrid, Dortmund and any other top teams except Barca and Bayern. You are underestimating how quality drops for all teams when this criteria is set.

Blatter

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Made his professional debut for Antwerp when he was still ManUtd player.

I think he was initially on loan at Stoke too.

Edit: he made a couple of appearances for United in the league cup before going on loan.

uch

greendom wrote: »

So basically, in this scenario, the EPL would be ****e!

I think it's soulless Shíte as it is !

Giggsy11

Blatter wrote: »

I think he was initially on loan at Stoke too.

Edit: he made a couple of appearances for United in the league cup.

He was sent to Antwerp first, he made his professional debut when he was United player. If we ignore that debut for Stoke when he was still United player means he will be counted for ManUtd as per OP.

Saipanne

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Made his professional debut for Antwerp when he was still ManUtd player.

Did he play for united, though? That's the criteria here. Loans have been covered a few times now

Giggsy11

Saipanne wrote: »

Did he play for united, though? That's the criteria here. Loans have been covered a few times now

He played in league cup.

Blatter

Saipanne wrote: »

Did he play for united, though? That's the criteria here. Loans have been covered a few times now

He made his professional debut for United in the league cup in 2006.

Giggsy11

Blatter wrote: »

He made his professional debut for United in the league cup in 2006.

Yeah, I missed that. Shawcross first professional game was for ManUtd.