New Standard BVC Coils Gurgling

jonski

Started using the new BVC coils last week , Aspire Vivi Nova-S , Aspire ET-S and Our Glorious Leader , The Mini Nautilus with the bigger coil and all 3 are gurgling on me .

The Mini Nautilus I can cure (ish) by tilting it up and the ET-S ain't too bad either but the Vivi Nova is a complete disaster no matter what I do .

All 3 of them are ok if I just take a pull off it every now and again but none of them are up to any form of chain vaping with the Vivi being worst and the ET-S best .

Anyone else getting this ?

youdipstick

I have a dozen devices with all different liquid flavors on a mixture of different Nautilus's,all using the BVC & only one that keeps gurgling all the time,no matter what I do to it,it just wants to gurgle,I just put it down to a dodgy coil,maybe there is something else going on,but 1 out of 12 is good going,when I eventually swap the coils over,there might be a worse result that I'm getting now.

dball

Jonski, I agree with you - most are gurgling. pain in the A$$ - Im trying to source the bdc coils but there are very few available - I personally think (in my case) the bvc are too powerful for the smaller tanks like the aspire maxi (i use 4 of these at one time) all 4 are too noisy for me but they gurgle alot also.

I think a slightly larger tank might work but Im guessing the vivi tank you mentioned has a larger capacity so my theory is screwed.

anyone else have any ideas - it could be the pg-vg ratios??

JH_raheny

when still using pre-made coils I found they would be prone to gurgling if chain vaping and dragging to hard, you kinda have to find the balance with airflow and pressure in the tank to avoid gurgling/flooding

nuttyboy79

I seen somewhere that they don't perform well at low wattage. I've been using them too and find just after a fill or when the clearo gets below a certain level they gurgle something to do with the vacuum I think but usually a flick of the wrist sorts it. I've been using them in the E-TS and a Peakomiser (until it broke).

JH_raheny

on the 5ml Nautilus I found it worked best if refilled when down to about 1.5ml and not to fill over 4.5ml

jonski

I can get them to work okish ( easier to tilt up and higher wattage ) on my Vamo but they really don't like my little 18350 pipe mods which is what I use them on .

youdipstick

Is the pipe variable voltage/wattage

jonski

youdipstick wrote: »

Is the pipe variable voltage/wattage

Nope

youdipstick

Let me get this straight,you are using a dual BVC on this pipe,if that is true,there is not enough power from the pipe to run a dual coil,at the most for a few drags it will give an output of 3.7v,you need at least 4.0v & upwards,I power my BVC coils no less than 4.2v,normally I vape these coils at 4.5v,you mentioned the vamo,shove that up to 4.2v or 12w & you will find a difference in taste,gurgling & vapor.

dball

youdipstick wrote: »

Let me get this straight,you are using a dual BVC on this pipe,if that is true,there is not enough power from the pipe to run a dual coil,at the most for a few drags it will give an output of 3.7v,you need at least 4.0v & upwards,I power my BVC coils no less than 4.2v,normally I vape these coils at 4.5v,you mentioned the vamo,shove that up to 4.2v or 12w & you will find a difference in taste,gurgling & vapor.

Would that be the same advice for using a mvp2 - i normally use it at about 3.6 V to get the best flavour - would you be recommending moving the dial over 4.0 V with a 1.9 bvc

EGriff

They work fine at 3.7volts. I have one here in a davide on a non vv evod battery. I use them with twists too but I keep it around 4volts.

No gurgling, just loud crackling and it spits juice so I have to point it away from myself and press the button for half a second before I take a vape.

jonski

youdipstick wrote: »

Let me get this straight,you are using a dual BVC on this pipe,if that is true,there is not enough power from the pipe to run a dual coil,at the most for a few drags it will give an output of 3.7v,you need at least 4.0v & upwards,I power my BVC coils no less than 4.2v,normally I vape these coils at 4.5v,you mentioned the vamo,shove that up to 4.2v or 12w & you will find a difference in taste,gurgling & vapor.

Yes , I am running these BVC coils ( which I thought were single coil and not dual coil like the last ones , no ? ) on my mechanical 18350 3.7v pipe which had no problem running the older BDC dual coils . The very reason I mentioned the pipe was because I was running out of reasons as to why I was having such a hard time with them and thought it might be this .

EGriff

fayvirtue wrote: »

I have never had that kind of trouble because I use a eSTICK with a dual coil atomizer.

So you keep saying... in every thread :rolleyes:

moonboy52

I have read folks on the forums recommend:

Fill the tank with the airhole closed

Hold the device horizontal, with each airhole facing down on kitchen paper and blow the trapped liquid out

Use an air compressor to clean out the airholes

I can usually sort it by taking the whole Nautilus apart and cleaning it and trying again.

Twice it would not fix the issue and i put it down to a bad coil and replaced the coil.

I am sure you have tried all this Jonski, but just throwing my experience out there (iStick and MVP 2 as power)

jonski

Yeah Moonboy52 , I kinda have the Nautilus under control it's the standard bvc's in the Vivi Nova-s that are giving me grief .

youdipstick

dball wrote: »

Would that be the same advice for using a mvp2 - i normally use it at about 3.6 V to get the best flavour - would you be recommending moving the dial over 4.0 V with a 1.9 bvc

We are all looking for the sweet spot,all mods will be different & it changes the whole ball game depending on what type of juice,I have two MVP 1 & I use 4.8v on one & 4.5v on the other,I use the big Nautilus with the same ohm's but different liquids,if you know what I mean,it's all trial & error,if it works good at 5v or even higher on another mod,do it,at the end of the day,you want excellent flavour & throat hit,I clean & dry burn most of my coils regularly,it keeps them in good shape & delivers what I want,also extends the life of the atty by 2 or 3 times,hope this helps a bit,we are here to help eachother,I don't know everything,always somebody here to put their two penny's worth in to help.

moonboy52

Apologies Jonski, i read through the thread a bit too quick

moonboy52

youdipstick wrote: »

I clean & dry burn most of my coils

if you have time youdipstick, could you give a brief rundown on the process you go through dry burning your coils? It is something i have never done but have seen it shown on Youtube. Would like to hear how you do it. Cheers man

youdipstick

moonboy52 wrote: »

if you have time youdipstick, could you give a brief rundown on the process you go through dry burning your coils? It is something i have never done but have seen it shown on Youtube. Would like to hear how you do it. Cheers man

Yeah,no problem,the only barrel shape coil you can dry burn is a BVC coil & a iclear 30s that I know of.
Firstly unscrew your coil out & put it under a fast running tap for 15 secs,then just leave it on a paper towel overnight.
If I'm in a hurry,I shake the coil a few times & then screw it back into the base,next,you connect it to a battery & hold the firing button down for 1 to 2 secs,keep repeating this until you see the coil heat up,then put it all back together.
The other type is a coil that has short wicks sticking out the side with an air tube coming up through the middle of the coil.
On this air tube,there is rubbery type seal,take it off & then hold the air tube & rock it back & forth while pulling it,once the air tube is free,you will see 1 or 2 flavor wicks,pull them out with tweezers or something,you will now see a coil wrapped around a short bit of silica,run it under the tap & repeat what you did above.
You will probably need to put 1 or 2 flavr wicks back in,I keep the old iclear 30 attys & cut a short bit off from the old wicks or use a short piece from silica you may have & put it all back together,my arthritis has just kicked in on my hands with all this typing,any questions,just ask,it is very hard to explain this in words.
Good Luck...

I have just noticed that you are just up the road from me,if you ever go through Dungarvan,send a message & let me know & call in.

moonboy52

youdipstick wrote: »

Yeah,no problem...

very detailed reply man, appreciate it and the offer to see it done in person!

So with the BVC coils you just pulse it, until no more vapour comes out, essentially removing all traces of the liquid or just a few pulses?

jonski

I do something the same as above but first I steep it in vodka overnight , it seems to me to get a lot more juice and gunk out .

youdipstick

If I intend to keep to the same liquid,I just pulse it til it glows bright,changing liquid,I would pulse more to get rid of all the vapor & then run it under the tap & let it sit overnight.

Coils are a funny lot,they need pampering & a good talking to...LOL
I have 3 Vision Victory Clearo's & they gurgle like mad if they are kept upright,it took me a good few months to work out a solution to the problem & just by chance I replaced one of my devices in the bedroom with one of the VV clearo,I do not use a mod stand in the bedroom,so all my mods lay down horizontally & a week has passed & no gurgling,the other 2 VV downstairs are gurgling away quite happily,I brought up the other 2 & laid them down flat & the gurgling completely stopped on all 3,it has been over 6 months now & they are still behaving themselves,all 3 still have the same coils,my coils can live up to a year or more because I do a round robin vaping on all my devices,I 'm not a chain vapor but I do take a vape every 1 to 2 mins,doing the round robin thing doesn't stress out my coils,in the bedroom,I round robin 10 devices,en suite has 9 & the kitchen where I do all my building has about 40,if my Wife was here today,there is no way she would agree to turning the house into a vaping den & no garden for a shed.
You get addicted to shiny things & then you need something else like brass or copper & now I'm mad about wood,when does it stop,I love messing about with vaping gear,my health has stopped me from my other hobbies like motor biking & sailing,so I'm glad I have vaping to keep me busy,sorry for the rant,I had to get it out...LOL
In case you don't know what a Vision Victory is,here is a link....
http://www.thebestshop.eu/shop/clearomizers/312-vision-victory-bcc-clearomizer.html

jonski

I'm done with the Vivi Nova-S and the BVC's after a mouth full of liquid last night , back to the BDC's on this tank .

youdipstick

jonski wrote: »

I'm done with the Vivi Nova-S and the BVC's after a mouth full of liquid last night , back to the BDC's on this tank .

I think the Chinese suppliers are sending our vendors some ropey coils,last night I changed out 2 BDC coils in an Aspire Mini & they were crap,they just wouldn't wick,I suppose we get a good day & a bad day with coils & mods,it seems that you had a really bad day,did it end up on the wall or in the fire:D:D

jonski

youdipstick wrote: »

,did it end up on the wall or in the fire:D:D

Oh so close , what saved it was the fact that it is the only tank I have that looks right on my King ePipe , otherwise it would have been put under the hammer , the 4LB lump hammer .

youdipstick

jonski wrote: »

Oh so close , what saved it was the fact that it is the only tank I have that looks right on my King ePipe , otherwise it would have been put under the hammer , the 4LB lump hammer .

Funny you should say that,the 2 bad coils from the Aspire mini is from my X-Fire Pipe,must be Pipe week.

jonski

youdipstick wrote: »

Funny you should say that,the 2 bad coils from the Aspire mini is from my X-Fire Pipe,must be Pipe week.

I'm liking that pipe , I'm guessing you didn't get it in Ireland ?

youdipstick

jonski wrote: »

I'm liking that pipe , I'm guessing you didn't get it in Ireland ?

No,got it at UK Ecig,it is variable voltage,I need around 4.2v upwards,I did try the 618 pipe but the 3.7 didn't do it for me,its difficult to fit a dripper on a pipe:D:D

jonski

They are out of stock atm , I had a look at the 618 but it seemed to flimsy so I went for the King instead and it's only now that I am a few months into vaping that I am seeing the advantages of VV/VW . I am liking the look of the SMOK Guardian Epipe Mod II

youdipstick

That pipe would be good,up to 15w,ideal pipe,power up any clearo.

severalmore

jonski wrote: »

Yes , I am running these BVC coils ( which I thought were single coil and not dual coil like the last ones , no ? ) on my mechanical 18350 3.7v pipe which had no problem running the older BDC dual coils . The very reason I mentioned the pipe was because I was running out of reasons as to why I was having such a hard time with them and thought it might be this .

I'm running my bvc in a vivi nova-s at 3.2 - 3.6volts. I vape 50% co2 extracted hash oil with a pg/peg mix to thin it enough to wick and make it less potent, but that is why i use the low voltage. Plus its actually in the green range on the vape chart, unless the ceramic wick makes it safer. Anyway my mix tastes good from start to finish. I carry it upside down or leave it lying horizontally, and I don't have any flooding issues. I'm not sure why this little secret isnt more widely known, because it solved ALL my flooding issues. Upside down. I tilt the device toward the sky on my last hit, draw slow and pulse the coils every few seconds, try to dry out the head a little. I never get other than very small liquid down the tube that way, I tear most of the cotton off a q tip and clean it every day or so. Carry it drip tip down, store it horizontally or upside down.
Also I think there is a design flaw here and its airflow. I currently use a 1600 man evod battery vv, it has the ego top so I got a collar to make it a flat top and 510 fit flush. I mention this because the ring has channels on top, grooves that let some more air in, and this also helps. I flooded a couple times when I first set up the vivi nova s, then I dremeled the channels on the ring a little bigger and started carrying it upside down, and it hasn't flooded or gurgled once since then. I vape all day at 3.2-3.4 volts and everything tastes great. I have a second unit yhat i use for cosmic fog milk and honey nic liquid, same deal. So far so good. Maybe its just me, but I hope this helps.

severalmore

youdipstick wrote: »

Let me get this straight,you are using a dual BVC on this pipe,if that is true,there is not enough power from the pipe to run a dual coil,at the most for a few drags it will give an output of 3.7v,you need at least 4.0v & upwards,I power my BVC coils no less than 4.2v,normally I vape these coils at 4.5v,you mentioned the vamo,shove that up to 4.2v or 12w & you will find a difference in taste,gurgling & vapor.

The bvc is a single, vertical coil. The bdc is dual, bottom dual coils. I Vape with the bvc at 3.2-3.4 volts and it works fine. Maybe just me, but again on the safe vaping chart at 1.8 ohm resistance, the high 3 volt range lands right in the green range. I'm honestly not sure where the high 4 volts puts you, its not unsafe but its not healthy either. Maybe the ceramic wicks are safer at higher v's.
On the customer service help site aspire says run at higher volts so maybe that is the case. Anyway all their responses involve dealing with the flood and not eliminating it.
There's barely any airflow in this thing. I use the vivi nova s right now. There was too much for me in the kanger aero type tanks. Dry hits and no wicking, leaking instead, I just had all kinds of issues. But this vivi nova has little airflow, the bvc went back to 4 holes in the Atty head so it soaks up good, but with tight airflow / 4 wick holes, youre pulling more juice into the tube than is getting vaporized, it floods. Sure I could crank it up but funny then the funny taste/burnt taste/plastic taste reports start coming in. I think it would have made more sense to keep the 2 wick hole design and improve airflow. I'm sure it can be done diy, the airflow, just trial and error finding the right balance. There's a gasket on the bottom of the head where it screws into the deck--well its at the bottom, the smaller gasket, if you screw the head in too tightly to the base the gasket gets bunched up in the 510 connector and blocks the airflow there as well. I carry my vivi nova s upside down and store it horizontally and the flooding stopped. It really is that simple.

severalmore

jonski wrote: »

Yes , I am running these BVC coils ( which I thought were single coil and not dual coil like the last ones , no ? ) on my mechanical 18350 3.7v pipe which had no problem running the older BDC dual coils . The very reason I mentioned the pipe was because I was running out of reasons as to why I was having such a hard time with them and thought it might be this .

They are a single coil. The bvc. One vertical coil. The bdc is a dual.

severalmore

youdipstick wrote: »

I think the Chinese suppliers are sending our vendors some ropey coils,last night I changed out 2 BDC coils in an Aspire Mini & they were crap,they just wouldn't wick,I suppose we get a good day & a bad day with coils & mods,it seems that you had a really bad day,did it end up on the wall or in the fire:D:D

You can take the cap off, pull the wick out and put another wick, lose the filler material. There's a post on here to do it. Re wicking your aspire or something. Sorry. I get to "then what's the point" there.

severalmore

jonski wrote: »

Yeah Moonboy52 , I kinda have the Nautilus under control it's the standard bvc's in the Vivi Nova-s that are giving me grief .

Dude. Keep it upside down in your pocket, or lay it horizontally when youre not using it. Before you put it down, take a couple hits with it pointed towards the sky, pulse the power every few seconds and vape off what's sitting in the Atty head. Then put it down flat, or upside down. Hold it horizontally or upside down between drags if you're chain vaping. Its really that simple. If you try that, and get a drier hit, then just let it stand upright for a minute or so after picking it up, to let a little juice soak into the head before you hit it. If you do the last hit pointed up thing you won't even get any juice coming down the mouthpiece tube while it sits upside down. All the juice is in the top of the tank at that point, the only liquid that can go anywhere is what's in the Atty head, and if you "burn" that off before you put it down the Atty is dry-ish, nothing goes anywhere. Good luck!

severalmore

jonski wrote: »

Yeah Moonboy52 , I kinda have the Nautilus under control it's the standard bvc's in the Vivi Nova-s that are giving me grief .

Check out my reply to your other posts?

AliD123

With the aspire ets bvc, I used a 1/16th drill bit on one of the air holes. Stopped all problems - gurgling, flooding and way easier to get a good draw of it as well.

Dr Bill

dball wrote: »

Im trying to source the bdc coils but there are very few available

You might get bdc's here
http://e-cigaretteshop.eu/en/