Portugal escorts Russian Ship away from its coast

losthorizon

Coming so soon after the Swedish incidents (although there were reports that that may have been a Dutch a sub) Russian ships and planes have been spotted off the coast of Portugal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cd6qFa7T-0

Gatling

No Dutch involvement in the other incident in Sweden .
Massive amount of fronting by the putin and his merry band of communists .
All these incursions are be heavily reported on by the state media to counter there nosediving economy .
Look citizens were going broke but don't worry our might military are scaring the EU and former states

catallus

That's nothing OP, the yanks have a hape of warplanes in Shannon!

VinLieger

Gatling wrote: »

No Dutch involvement in the other incident in Sweden .
Massive amount of fronting by the putin and his merry band of communists .
All these incursions are be heavily reported on by the state media to counter there nosediving economy .
Look citizens were going broke but don't worry our might military are scaring the EU and former states

Blame the gay's!!!!! Sure they are all American or European :P

DeadHand

Just a little more probing to test the military preparedness of the EU since it continues with it's eastward expansion.

Can't imagine the Russian leadership will be anything but amused at the results.

Rebellion in eastern Ukraine, Russia sends 4000 trained killers and a few dozen T-72s to back their dog in the fight. EU response? We won't sell you anymore sunflowers. Guess who won.

The EU should stick to what it knows- the bullying of the ordinary people of Europe, social engineering, the erosion of democracy, cultural suicide/defeatism and self loathing. It's manifestly unable to deal with a power that doesn't fear it.

The One Doctor

DeadHand wrote: »

The EU should stick to what it knows- the bullying of the ordinary people of Europe, social engineering, the erosion of democracy, cultural suicide/defeatism and self loathing. It's manifestly unable to deal with a power that doesn't fear it.

So you're pro-Europe then?

Captain Chaos

catallus wrote: »

That's nothing OP, the yanks have a hape of warplanes in Shannon!

Nope. Nothing in Shannon is armed or combat capable. Only transport and support aircraft. All armed US aircraft land in the UK or Germany in proper airbases for security.

My name is URL

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Nope. Nothing in Shannon is armed or combat capable.

According to who?

The_Valeyard

This is just a mad man with deludied dreams of power and empire convinced he can bring back the 1960s.

Just Russia looking for a bit of attention and trying to appear relevant in the world that had largely forgotten about them.

DeadHand

The One Doctor wrote: »

So you're pro-Europe then?

If I give an answer you don't like, will you keep asking me until I give the "right" answer?

dxhound2005

The rouble has dropped by 25% in value against the US dollar this year, to it's lowest value ever and continues to fall.

The Backwards Man

Russia is like the aul lad in the pub that won a boxing medal in 1958, before the drink got the better of him. Always sparring and simey dimeying with the young lads and spoiling for a row, acting the hard man, 'look into my eyes and don't blink' type stuff.

Sooner or later somebody will have just about enough of him and punch his lights out.

Notorious97

Visit Russia before Russia visits you

DeadHand

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This is just a mad man with deludied dreams of power and empire convinced he can bring back the 1960s.

Just Russia looking for a bit of attention and trying to appear relevant in the world that had largely forgotten about them.

If Russia isn't relevant, why has it been all over the news all year?

It's still a pivotal power.

Putin's a lot of things, mad isn't one of them. He was the only world leader applying logic to the Syria situation, for instance. He was ultimately proved right.

Cantremember

Putin wants the Cold War back. He must reckon the russian hackers are onto something.

DeadHand

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Russia is like the aul lad in the pub that won a boxing medal in 1958, before the drink got the better of him. Always sparring and simey dimeying with the young lads and spoiling for a row, acting the hard man, 'look into my eyes and don't blink' type stuff.

Sooner or later somebody will have just about enough of him and punch his lights out.

Your hilarious analogy would be accurate, if only the aul lad had the capability to kill every other person in the pub (nuclear power, remember)?

By "punch his lights out" I imagine you mean some kind of attack on or invasion of Russia. Remind me, what happened last time someone attempted to invade Russia? Who is in the Crimea now? Who could be in Stockholm, Kiev or Warsaw within a week if they decided to roll?

Aul fella in a pub... Right.

Son Of A Vidic

Everyday America conducts Empire projection & maintenance across the globe. Murders whom they wish, via proxy or via drone. Their manifest incompetence since 9/11 has led to the World becoming a much more dangerous place. But hey, at least the terror & armaments business is booming. And Russia is the bad guy?

smurgen

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Russia is like the aul lad in the pub that won a boxing medal in 1958, before the drink got the better of him. Always sparring and simey dimeying with the young lads and spoiling for a row, acting the hard man, 'look into my eyes and don't blink' type stuff.

Sooner or later somebody will have just about enough of him and punch his lights out.

Russia has over 3k nuclear weapons. The largest nuclear weapons ever detonated is Russian. They have extensive networks of ICBM's and one of the most dangerous aircraft of all time,the TU-160 Blackjack.They could bomb us out of existence.No one could and please God will mess with them.

strobe

The_Valeyard wrote: »

This is just a mad man with deludied dreams of power and empire convinced he can bring back

That sounds awfully familiar...

Iranoutofideas

The amount of ****e that people spout on here about Putin and Russia is unbelievable.

Russia not relevant?

That's interesting. Because Forbes just released their most powerful list.

This is what they had to say about the list

This is not a lineup of the most influential or an anointing of the new establishment. It is an evaluation of hard power. We insist the people on our list wield the kind of power that shapes and bends the world, and moves people, markets, armies and minds.

It boiled down to Obama vs Putin.

And Putin came out on top. With damn good reason too.

I think most people in Ireland swallow the Western media view on Russia as the "bad" guys regardless of the facts.

They are not perfect, far from it, but I think the world is better off having a counterpoint to the American world dominance.

Mech1

Why are the Russian Escorts going to Portugal, we need more Russian girls here!!

DanWall

Why don't other countries play tit for tat and invade Russian territory/water

Mech1

DanWall wrote: »

Why don't other countries play tit for tat and invade Russian territory/water

do you wanna risk it?

My name is URL

DanWall wrote: »

Why don't other countries play tit for tat and invade Russian territory/water

Probably because they have better things to be at than taking part in a pointless willy waving contest with the Russkis

Herb Powell

DeadHand wrote: »

The EU should stick to what it knows- the bullying of the ordinary people of Europe, social engineering, the erosion of democracy, cultural suicide/defeatism and self loathing. It's manifestly unable to deal with a power that doesn't fear it.

That's only bolloccks now in fairness. What in the name of jaysus does "cultural suicide/defeatism" even mean? Are you just trying to sound relevant?

Putin is some langer.

The Diabolical Monocle

Maybe being out here in the ocean isn't so bad a spot after all.

They have to go through the Poles, the Germans, the French and the British before they get to us.

We could be the final straw and declared winners and sole survivors of ww3.



chamionay championay

Egginacup

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Nope. Nothing in Shannon is armed or combat capable. Only transport and support aircraft. All armed US aircraft land in the UK or Germany in proper airbases for security.

Well that's news. A friend who worked at the bar served a rake of US Marines and none of them looked like chaplains. Come to think of it, they were all allowed smoke inside a little compound in the terminal building.

If you think that American supplies and personnel don't pass through Shannon then why the taboo about inspections?

Surely, if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear?

Egginacup

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Russia is like the aul lad in the pub that won a boxing medal in 1958, before the drink got the better of him. Always sparring and simey dimeying with the young lads and spoiling for a row, acting the hard man, 'look into my eyes and don't blink' type stuff.

Sooner or later somebody will have just about enough of him and punch his lights out.

How about sooner then?

Come on "world's greatest nation", come on "paragon of freedom", come on "defender of democracy" with your hatred of people who invade or threaten other countries. How soon is now?

Come on. Stop picking on goat-herds in mountains, or rice-farmers in delta valleys, or olive-growers in defenseless hills or Michael Mouse islands in the Caribbean. Have a stab at the drunken uncle who is so weak. Come on, let's see that bloody nose. Let's see those lights punched out.

Or is that "somebody" who will have to punch his lights out just not you Sam?

Strong Life in Dublin

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Maybe being out here in the ocean isn't so bad a spot after all.

They have to go through the Poles, the Germans, the French and the British before they get to us.

We could be the final straw and declared winners and sole survivors of ww3.



chamionay championay

They were actually in Cork last year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVtvwOQu_w4

Egginacup

DanWall wrote: »

Why don't other countries play tit for tat and invade Russian territory/water

From what I gathered from this abysmal report was that it was a Russian river boat and was escorted from "OFF THE COAST" of Portugal.

The same crap could be said about a couple of Korean scuba divers and their charter boat near Brittany:

"Kim Jong Un-Gangnam vessel intercepted on NATO's doorstep. Vessel had elaborate communication equipment (a radio), survival rations (...uh, food), local maps (...probably wise), foreign currency (...their own and some to pay for that hot port/whiskey after the dive). They have since been escorted from waters OFF THE COAST OF PORTUGAL/ENGLAND/AMERICA"

:pac:

cerastes

Looks more like research ship (read research or listening post/spying platform?)

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The rouble has dropped by 25% in value against the US dollar this year, to it's lowest value ever and continues to fall.

Why does that seem like a fairly dangerous thing? that concerns me a bit more than many things Ive read or heard.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Russia is like the aul lad in the pub that won a boxing medal in 1958, before the drink got the better of him. Always sparring and simey dimeying with the young lads and spoiling for a row, acting the hard man, 'look into my eyes and don't blink' type stuff.

Sooner or later somebody will have just about enough of him and punch his lights out.

Well, if the aul lad just got younger, fitter, stronger? the Russians may not have the quantities they once had in the soviet Union, but they certainly have some more capable modern weapons, subs, aircraft, AAMs, not to mention nukes, lots of nukes.

DeadHand wrote: »

Your hilarious analogy would be accurate, if only the aul lad had the capability to kill every other person in the pub (nuclear power, remember)?

By "punch his lights out" I imagine you mean some kind of attack on or invasion of Russia. Remind me, what happened last time someone attempted to invade Russia? Who is in the Crimea now? Who could be in Stockholm, Kiev or Warsaw within a week if they decided to roll?

Aul fella in a pub... Right.

I at least feel a bit more confident that the Finns and Swedes will hold them back, better than former warsaw pact/soviet states which seem to fear Russia more, they just seem to waltz through those countries.

DanWall wrote: »

Why don't other countries play tit for tat and invade Russian territory/water

Presume they have to get permission to open fire with blank charges like that, noise etc
for some reason, I just see someone toppling that gantry into the ship or off the harbour wall, doesnt look secured.

Egginacup

And this from the BBC:

A Portuguese navy ship has escorted a Russian oceanic research vessel away from Portugal's maritime economic zone.
The incident happened early on Wednesday, Portugal's defence minister said. The Russian ship was in international waters, more than 12 nautical miles (22km) from the coast.


STOP with the bullsh1t, OP.

Egginacup

"John Kerry has definitive proof, through social media and twitter feeds that the crew did in fact know who shot down MH-17 and also supplied the mythical nerve gas to Bashar Assad"

You'll have to wait for a full investigation until 2016 (after the election of Jeb Bush) and it's all classified anyway.

Yurt2

Is Russia that powerful in reality? Despite its population its economy is only marginally bigger than basket case Italy.

Egginacup

Yurt! wrote: »

Is Russia that powerful in reality? Despite its population its economy is only marginally bigger than basket case Italy.

Are you familiar with the phrase

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog that counts"?

The Vietnamese handed America's ass to them. The Afghans have done the same to the Russians, Americans, and British (4 times). The Lebanese have thumped Israel (a nuclear powered, tank wielding warhorse) in 40 days.

Go and attack Russia. Compare notes with Napoleon and Hitler and send them back to us from hell.

My name is URL

Yurt! wrote: »

Is Russia that powerful in reality? Despite its population its economy is only marginally bigger than basket case Italy.

Yeah, but it's mainly made up of natural resources that the rest of the world depend on.

cerastes

Yurt! wrote: »

Is Russia that powerful in reality? Despite its population its economy is only marginally bigger than basket case Italy.

No country that is deemed powerful is ever as powerful as they seem,
apart from the fact none of them could get the greater portion of their aircraft or ships moving through naturally occuring problems, some can barely afford it (UK?).
Some can operate smaller forces more efficiently by multiplying their effectiveness, with capable weapons means the cost to deliver bombs on target accurately is less.

Anyway, all that military might (of anyone), might end up being circumvented. Russia do seem like they would spend more time on basic preparations and having a nation wound up nationalistically might make it easier to conscript people for any military adventures, more so than that, they seem like they could have the willingness or even having the resources geared to or devoted to mobilisation, whereas more western countries seem more willingly to line their pockets and fcuk over their fellow citizens in business ventures, ie not so nationalistic or patriotic, mostly.

Iwasfrozen

Egginacup wrote: »

Are you familiar with the phrase

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog that counts"?

The Vietnamese handed America's ass to them. The Afghans have done the same to the Russians, Americans, and British (4 times). The Lebanese have thumped Israel (a nuclear powered, tank wielding warhorse) in 40 days.

Go and attack Russia. Compare notes with Napoleon and Hitler and send them back to us from hell.

America's strategy is not to invade Russia but to surround it with highly militerised allied nations to contain it from the lands it historically had control over and force it into isolation.

So far that plan is working a treat. They have the Baltics, Poland and Turkey in Nato and on the Pacific side Korea and Japan as major non Nato allies. Russia is surrounded on all sides with no allies save Belarus and Kazakhstan.

stevedublin

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Russia is surrounded on all sides with no allies save Belarus and Kazakhstan.

and China

...and maybe Iran

stevedublin

Egginacup wrote: »

The Lebanese have thumped Israel (a nuclear powered, tank wielding warhorse) in 40 days.

:eek: source?

Gatling

Looks like Russia is taking eastern Ukraine all together tons of tanks, heavy artillery and troops flooding across the border from Russia today,
And more airspace incursions taking place across europe

Elmer Blooker

Yurt! wrote: »

Is Russia that powerful in reality? Despite its population its economy is only marginally bigger than basket case Italy.

Its the untapped vast natural resources in Russia, particularly in Siberia thats the problem. Uncle Sam can't get his greedy hands on them - not until there's "regime change" in Russia and a puppet regime like Ukraine is installed, if thousands have to die in order to loot the place so what?

Lapin

Egginacup wrote: »

Well that's news. A friend who worked at the bar served a rake of US Marines and none of them looked like chaplains. Come to think of it, they were all allowed smoke inside a little compound in the terminal building.

That would be the smoking area.

Why wouldn't they be allowed to smoke there?

Anyone else can.

Lapin

Deleted User wrote: »

I think most people in Ireland swallow the Western media view on Russia as the "bad" guys regardless of the facts.

They are not perfect, far from it, but I think the world is better off having a counterpoint to the American world dominance.

So by that rationale, Russia is the obvious counterpoint?

Anyone who remembers the cold war would say fuck that.

With the emergence of the other BRIC powers, American world dominance is already becoming more and more diluted in any case.

Maximus Alexander

US GDP is around 8 times that of Russia. Annual defense spending in by the US is more than 7 times that of Russia and 3.5 times that of China, who spend the second most globally. It seems to me that people way overstate the might of Russia, who have been declining in relevance for the past three decades. Perhaps this is due to an outdated image of the Soviet Union during World War 2 and throughout the cold war.

There is no doubt that they are still a world power, but they're also pretty far from a superpower. Putin might be a despicable person, but he's no idiot. He'll know exactly how far he can push and where the line is, he's not going to go on a Hitler style romp across Europe.

Slot Machine

DeadHand wrote: »

The EU should stick to what it knows- the bullying of the ordinary people of Europe, social engineering, the erosion of democracy, cultural suicide/defeatism and self loathing.

You forgot to warn them about the lizard people! :mad:

bear1

Yurt! wrote: »

Is Russia that powerful in reality? Despite its population its economy is only marginally bigger than basket case Italy.

Care to explain that part?

Gatling

Egginacup wrote: »

Well that's news. A friend who worked at the bar served a rake of US Marines and none of them looked like chaplains. Come to think of it, they were all allowed smoke inside a little compound in the terminal building.

If you think that American supplies and personnel don't pass through Shannon

Were they tooled up for war ,

Body armour?

Side arms ?

M16s ?

Grenades ?

So basically service personnel for the United States disembarked an aircraft at a stop over and had a pint ,

Shock ,horror

topper75

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The rouble has dropped by 25% in value against the US dollar this year, to it's lowest value ever and continues to fall.

Not to mention falling prices for oil. That is the real noose tightening around Putin's neck.

BoJack Horseman

topper75 wrote: »

Not to mention falling prices for oil. That is the real noose tightening around Putin's neck.

Not his neck.
His multi-billion personal fortune will remain as is

Interest rates are at 10%
Inflation in Russia is over 8%
Food inflation is at 15+%
They have spent 1/4 of their total gold & currency reserves this year alone.

If there is a noose, its around the Russian peoples neck, not Putins.