RTE's Morning Edition axed

realistic anorak

Right call imo, Pointless program, stupid time. waste of money.

SpaceTime

They needed it to be about 3 hours earlier.
What's the point of a current affairs programme when everyone is at work ?

THall04

Never liked it .... yer woman presenting it was always waving her hands about....very annoying .

lertsnim

Morning TV does not work in this country. This is proof.

Ireland AM is only there as a cheap way to make up the home programming quota.

watty

lertsnim wrote: »

Ireland AM is only there as a cheap way to make up the home programming quota.

to sell advertising time.

RTE don't get up early enough. Also any holiday they have a lie in on the Morning Radio news. Pathetic.

Morning Radio need to start with rural/farming stuff at 6am (no more stupid music in the morning on RTE1)
Then the TV AND Radio morning general New magasines need to start at 7am. On WEEKENDS, AUGUST and BANKHOLIDAYs.

Hello RTE, you are a PSB. Find out that real people work weekends & Holidays, and even if not want the news or they will tune to BBC.
Find out what time Farmers get up.
We DO NOT need an overpaid DJ and music from 6am to 8am!

Get off your backside RTE!

SpaceTime

Yeah it's actually really weird that they're so unconcerned about what could be a huge early morning audience for TV and more so for radio.

Morning Ireland should start an hour earlier.

You'd wonder what all this broadcast charge stuff actually pays for sometimes. That would be a genuinely useful service.

At least TV3 tries! They don't have the budget to do it right.

Alternatively, give TV3 some license fee money and let them do Ireland AM properly with decent news output?

Some of that budget should be fund a tender for early morning current affairs heavy TV. Since RTE clearly couldn't be bothered.

byte

When does it finish?

The late start made me think that they were trying to prevent it from eating into Morning Ireland's audience.

icdg

Finishes in December. Karisini has hit it on the head - in their fear of not cannibalising Morning Ireland they created a breakfast show but put it on it mid morning. Quite odd.

I think there now is a case for RTE to reinstate the 23:00 bulletin on RTE2. They say they are going to "beef up" the 18:01 and 21:00 bulletins but they've just had a rebrand I don't see what more they can do to them at this point. Nor can they point to RTE News Now while it remains under CEL and not RTE News. And more to the point isn't on Sky.

EdmondShiels3

I cannot wait to see what quality news UTV Ireland produce.

Sam Russell

I do not understand why Morning Ireland could not be adjusted to be both TV and Radio. Surely it would be just a rejig to get proper cameras into action. It is already on RTE NN but as a webcam production - bit pathetic really.

watty

EdmondShiels3 wrote: »

I cannot wait to see what quality news UTV Ireland produce.

It won't be hard to beat TV3's shopping channel thinly disguised as a Morning Magazine.

Elmo

IMO RTÉ Should focus on Prime Time. They should make Late Debate an RTÉ Radio 1/News Now programme, using a proper TV set, lets face it Tonight with Vincent Browne is no more than The Vincent Browne Show on the TV.

Ireland AM is purely there for quota.

Sam Russell

I agree that RTE News Now should integrate more with Radio1, so Morning Ireland, and Today with S O'R, are TV base radio programmes, and the same with Drive Time, and Late Debate. That would be up to 8 hours of good content for little extra money. Add in the News broadcasts, and the repeat of Prime Time, and the Week in Politics, and you have a good schedule.

Allow ads and it would make a profit.

icdg

Elmo wrote: »

IMO RTÉ Should focus on Prime Time. They should make Late Debate an RTÉ Radio 1/News Now programme, using a proper TV set, lets face it Tonight with Vincent Browne is no more than The Vincent Browne Show on the TV.

Ireland AM is purely there for quota.

I didn't think it was worth a fresh thread, but worth noting that in the new year Prime Time will be reverting back to its old Tuesday & Thursday format with the Frontline veing effectively ressurected in the guise of Claire Byrne Live in its old Monday 22:25 slot.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

I didn't think it was worth a fresh thread, but worth noting that in the new year Prime Time will be reverting back to its old Tuesday & Thursday format with the Frontline veing effectively ressurected in the guise of Claire Byrne Live in its old Monday 22:25 slot.

IMO neither Frontline or Prime Time Live were great replacements for Q&A. I think they need to bring it back and down to the regions, hosted each week by one of their regional reporters. IMO Claire Byrne Live is simple creating a new "RTÉ Personality" rather than a new show.

News Now is key to this all the same. Lets face it Morning Edition was only created for News Now, but couldn't be a News Now programme because of Minister Carey's decision on the channel.

Also the removal of these 2 hours is clearly a major change in Schedule surely it should be investigated by DCERN and BAI??

watty

Or perhaps ...
1) RTE should not name any shows after presenters. It's a stupid Pop station/ US tradition and stop trying to create fake celeb presenters.
2) BAI should only set broad guide lines and enforce content licences. This change should be irrelevant.
3) DCENR should have ZERO input, other than they or DFA fund external services and set the guidelines. What External Services? We are almost the only Western country with out them. One experiment in 1948. Everything since is lipservice to the idea .

RTE Stop with the STUPID overpaying and Cult of Presenters. CONTENT PLEASE!

The Interview with Post Code company was an Infomercial. They should be ashamed of their total lack of Journalism.

http://www.openpostcode.org/

We are spending MILLIONS on rolling out a system no use to anyone other than AnPost!

Sam Russell

watty wrote: »

The Interview with Post Code company was an Infomercial. They should be ashamed of their total lack of Journalism.

http://www.openpostcode.org/

We are spending MILLIONS on rolling out a system no use to anyone other than AnPost!

Not even of benefit to An Post. They say they do not need it. It is yet another way of passing public money into private pockets.

Elmo

watty wrote: »

Or perhaps ...
1) RTE should not name any shows after presenters. It's a stupid Pop station/ US tradition and stop trying to create fake celeb presenters.
2) BAI should only set broad guide lines and enforce content licences. This change should be irrelevant.
3) DCENR should have ZERO input, other than they or DFA fund external services and set the guidelines. What External Services? We are almost the only Western country with out them. One experiment in 1948. Everything since is lipservice to the idea .

RTE Stop with the STUPID overpaying and Cult of Presenters. CONTENT PLEASE!

The Interview with Post Code company was an Infomercial. They should be ashamed of their total lack of Journalism.

http://www.openpostcode.org/

We are spending MILLIONS on rolling out a system no use to anyone other than AnPost!

Lots of journalism is purely an ad for different companies, journalist copy and paste press release and interview press officers. (Irish Water anyone?)

On "cult" presenters that was what I was saying in my post, not sure if it came across.

I am talking about Section 103 of the Broadcasting Act 2009, and as RTÉjr could not be moved off RTÉ2 with out permission then surely this move on Current Affairs is also covered under this section. I don't agree with the section of the act as it is purely left in the hands of Civil Servants.

watty

Yes, it's daft.

Sam Russell

Is that the reason that RTE NN is such an orphan channel - the minister has to aprove any change - and approves none.

A disgraceful bit of political interference.

Kerrydude1981

Morning Edition RIP

It died this morning

Elmo

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Morning Edition RIP

It died this morning

Such a strange date to finish up on, could the not have continued until christmas?

iseegirls

Back to the reliable Dr Phil and The Doctors next week. Maybe those shows were performing better in the ratings than Morning Edition did over the summer.

Sam Russell

Or they cost less.

lertsnim

Sam Russell wrote: »

Or they cost less.

No doubt about it. I can't imagine the audience for those being anything special even for that time of day.

Elmo

lertsnim wrote: »

No doubt about it. I can't imagine the audience for those being anything special even for that time of day.

If RTÉ where getting the same audience and charging the same amount of money per 30 second ad, Morning Edition prob wasn't even breaking even, cheap chatshows from the US would probably a return even just to breakeven. An hour of prime time drama from the US cost about 2000 euro, Dr. Phil and The Doctor are bought at 500 per hour.

Sam Russell

Morning Edition should have started about 7 am end carried on till 10 am. Who were they aiming at?

SpaceTime

EdmondShiels3 wrote: »

I cannot wait to see what quality news UTV Ireland produce.

I think we must be watching different UTVs!

Their home brew content isn't much better than TV3 and they make less of it, mostly relying on ITV programming.

What will kill TV3 is UTV buying rights to their ITV and other key programming.

Also bear in mind that Northern Ireland is way easier to cover for news.
It's physically much smaller and due to the legacy of troubles and ever present political strife, the news is rather easier than digging up stories in a normal market.

My concern is that they'll over do Northern Irish stories which, in reality, have little traction with audiences here.

Elmo

SpaceTime wrote: »

My concern is that they'll over do Northern Irish stories which, in reality, have little traction with audiences here.

They'll own 5 local stations across the country, in reality the prob have a bigger ROI radio newsroom combined then their NI newsroom.

Again part of the MoU to provide a link between the two peoples both north and south, IMO its pretty important to know whats happening up there in case past mistakes start. A shooting in Belfast is as important a news story as a shooting in Dublin to a person in Cork. IMO.

L1011

Elmo wrote: »

They'll own 5 local stations across the country, in reality the prob have a bigger ROI radio newsroom combined then their NI newsroom.

They've just closed their network newsroom for radio and have gone to Newstalk to feed - they're really not using the radio network as feed for TV at all.

Elmo

L1011 wrote: »

They've just closed their network newsroom for radio and have gone to Newstalk to feed - they're really not using the radio network as feed for TV at all.

I though the newstalk deal was just for national news. Did the reduce their Radio news staff?

L1011

Elmo wrote: »

I though the newstalk deal was just for national news. Did the reduce their Radio news staff?

Yes, as there was a national news desk in Dublin.

Elmo

L1011 wrote: »

Yes, as there was a national news desk in Dublin.

Did they reduce there local news staff?

More Music

Not related. The national news desk in Dublin provided "out of hours" news and wirefeed to the local UTV stations.

UTV and Newstalk submitted proposals to all local stations for this service. The local stations went with Newstalk. UTV went ahead anyway and setup their own service for their own stations.

It's this service they are now closing and now using Newstalk for. Local journos still covered local news for each of the UTV stations and will continue to do so.

Elmo

More Music wrote: »

Not related. The national news desk in Dublin provided "out of hours" news and wirefeed to the local UTV stations.

UTV and Newstalk submitted proposals to all local stations for this service. The local stations went with Newstalk. UTV went ahead anyway and setup their own service for their own stations.

It's this service they are now closing and now using Newstalk for. Local journos still covered local news for each of the UTV stations and will continue to do so.

Which brings me back to my point that UTV Radio possibly have more/or the same amount news staff than UTV Live in NI put together, in terms of local news.

L1011

Elmo wrote: »

Did they reduce there local news staff?

No. But they no longer have a dedicated courts correspondent, political correspondent, multiple multi-role reporters etc.

Elmo

L1011 wrote: »

No. But they no longer have a dedicated courts correspondent, political correspondent, multiple multi-role reporters etc.

My point still remains that they possibly have as many ROI Radio jornalist as they do UTV jornalist so the worry that they might be too Norn Iron is not a really worry is it.