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The Antares Rocket Launch Tonight

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭shanered


    Launch was "scrubbed" because of a boat off the coast, so ye didn't miss much, probably try again tomorrow at 9.45pm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    must have a look later


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,624 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Now scheduled for 22:22 GMT, that's 10:22 p.m. Irish time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    5minutes :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    something went wrong there :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Mr Bloat


    Holy crap that was bad


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    WOW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Presumably everyone is very far away from launch site, whats the price tag on that I wonder


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,624 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Was a minute late for the launch, I'm hearing them say there was a 'mishap' six seconds after launch. Did the whole rocket go kaboom when it was a couple of hundred feet in the air? I know it was an unmanned vehicle and there appears to be no casualties on the ground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭shanered


    I cant stream it what happened???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    A wry smile from Elon Musk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,698 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    No it didnt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,624 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    BBC Breaking news on Twitter....

    @NASA's unmanned #Antares rocket explodes shortly after take-off in Virginia

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,698 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    shanered wrote: »
    I cant stream it what happened???

    The rocket exploded. This is the aftermath


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Cheensbo


    Was watching it- First time to see a live rocket launch: It took off, didn't get too far off the launch pad (6 seconds i think), fell out of the sky and exploded, massively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Mr Bloat


    There doesn't seem to be any casualties, thankfully. There will most likely be a lot of jokes made about it launching from Wallops Island... :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,698 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Screen grab taken from the NASA live feed. Mission control came on and said it doesn't appear to have been any personel in the area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    Someones insurance premium is going way up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭shanered


    Wow!
    Just got to see it on sky news!
    What a disaster!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Kerbal Space Program strikes again!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The guy in the boat has a lot to answer for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    might be the last ever Antares launch

    spaceX must be loving this


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Thats a sickener for sure. Looked like a flame out maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭space2ground1


    Maybe the guy in the boat was a lot luckier than we thought originally. Had they pushed on with the launch on Monday night and that exploded over the boat, there'd be war.

    Its an odd victory for the safety policy and plans and if a launch is going to catastrophically fail with lessons to learn, better its done with an unmanned. Who knows, the outcome of the investigation could save lives in 10 years time when something that could've gone wrong, won't.

    Still you'd feel for the small research groups who hit the jackpot being able to send science to the station. Will they have the funds/opportunity to recreate the hardware that was due to go? Many many hours of people's time and effort up in smoke.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Moaner Lisas Hairy Arse


    We really shouldnt still be crossing fingers to get a rocket in the air.

    All involved should be ashamed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    We really shouldnt still be crossing fingers to get a rocket in the air.

    All involved should be ashamed.

    It's not exactly trivial to even run a rocket engine. Every part is designed to be as light as possible, which means that every moving part is operating right on the edge of failure, including impellers, bearings, hoses, thrust chamber etc. It's an incredibly delicate balance and is not easy. On average, only 1% of launches fail to get the payload into orbit. That's pretty good when you consider the tolerances imposed by strength, weight and cost.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    We really shouldnt still be crossing fingers to get a rocket in the air.

    All involved should be ashamed.
    Please don't hesitate to submit your plans to the patent office. I wish you every success


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,050 ✭✭✭nokia69


    It's not exactly trivial to even run a rocket engine. Every part is designed to be as light as possible, which means that every moving part is operating right on the edge of failure, including impellers, bearings, hoses, thrust chamber etc. It's an incredibly delicate balance and is not easy. On average, only 1% of launches fail to get the payload into orbit. That's pretty good when you consider the tolerances imposed by strength, weight and cost.

    no thats not the way it works, nobody builds a rocket that opperates on the edge of failure, if they did nothing would reach orbit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,604 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    didnt the esa gps satellites fail to get to where they were supposed to go earlier this year and have to be scrapped.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Moaner Lisas Hairy Arse


    Please don't hesitate to submit your plans to the patent office. I wish you every success


    youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=12fR9neVnS8

    I reckon I could put 1 on the moon for $5.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Moaner Lisas Hairy Arse


    irishgeo wrote: »
    didnt the esa gps satellites fail to get to where they were supposed to go earlier this year and have to be scrapped.

    boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057275871


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Moaner Lisas Hairy Arse


    Russian rocket manufacturer insists it is not to blame for failed Antares launch

    theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/29/russian-rocket-crash-virginia

    $200 Million hit, 15% share dive, verbal fisticuffs on the use of the different modules on the ISS starting to get teeth -- a carry over from the sanctions due to the bullsh1t happening in Ukraine.

    Rocket is a 40yo modified Russian yoke, experts reckon stage 2 fired early.

    Another unmanned rocket has left Kazakhstan with 3 Tonnes of supplies for the folks on the station.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Fired early?? Through the fuel tanks of the first stage? That would be a first!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    I had another look at the launch video and the second stage definitely did not fire early. It all points to the first stage engine area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Moaner Lisas Hairy Arse


    shedweller wrote: »
    Fired early?? Through the fuel tanks of the first stage? That would be a first!

    Common occurence at the beginning of the space era apparently and looked like this explosion when it did happen.

    We'll know in a few weeks anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Common occurence at the beginning of the space era apparently and looked like this explosion when it did happen.

    We'll know in a few weeks anyway.
    Apparently so. Youtube might have videos...
    I did see puffs leaving the side just after liftoff but it was an umbilical i think.
    I've attached an aerial photo showing the aftermah. Looks like antares fell to one side of the pad and spared it a little!
    Its mad how little scrap is left of the rocket! Vapourised!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    shedweller wrote: »
    I did see puffs leaving the side just after liftoff but it was an umbilical i think.

    Comparing it to previous launches, it all look standard enough with the steam or smoke coming off the side, if it had been midday and brighter might have been easier to see where failure started


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Comparing it to previous launches, it all look standard enough with the steam or smoke coming off the side, if it had been midday and brighter might have been easier to see where failure started
    Very true. Were there any thermal imaging cameras in use i wonder? Remember one of the last shuttle launches where they filmed it simultaneously at different exposures and spliced them so all exposure levels were on the one film. Some level of detail!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    shedweller wrote: »
    Very true. Were there any thermal imaging cameras in use i wonder? Remember one of the last shuttle launches where they filmed it simultaneously at different exposures and spliced them so all exposure levels were on the one film. Some level of detail!

    Not sure what cameras they had, they did seem to switch to infared/night mode once or twice after the crash if I remember right, but probably didn't have anything too fancy recording it

    some good spectator videos here, although very distant, some running away and ducking down for fear of debris
    http://www.space.com/27593-antares-rocket-explosion-spectator-videos.html


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 93,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    shedweller wrote: »
    Its mad how little scrap is left of the rocket! Vapourised!
    relative to their size the walls of the tanks on a rocket are about a third the thickness as the ones on a soft drinks can , so there isn't a lot of material to begin with.

    An extreme example was this
    An Atlas rocket would collapse under its own weight if not kept pressurized, and had to have 5 psi (34 kPa) nitrogen in the tank even when not fuelled.

    Not only does aluminium melt at a far lower temperature than you'd expect in a burning rocket it also burns, the Shuttle's SSRB's used powdered aluminium as the main fuel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    shedweller wrote: »
    Very true. Were there any thermal imaging cameras in use i wonder? Remember one of the last shuttle launches where they filmed it simultaneously at different exposures and spliced them so all exposure levels were on the one film. Some level of detail!

    As an aside, check out Ascent - Commemorating Shuttle which has loads of info on the mind-boggling camera stuff involved in shuttle launches. There's also a bonus clips video going around too.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 1,426 Mod ✭✭✭✭slade_x


    shedweller wrote: »
    I had another look at the launch video and the second stage definitely did not fire early. It all points to the first stage engine area.

    Yes exactly a propulsion failure occurred in the first stage, before it fell back to the ground to cause more havoc it was commanded to terminate by the flight termination system.

    For anyone uninformed about the reason it blew up is because it was commanded to not because of a failure.
    As far as I am aware there are no reports yet to explain exactly what went wrong as there were no known issues prior to launch. there are reports of moderate damage to the launch pad and site fuel tanks

    for anyone interested who is not already aware of safety systems in place with regards to rocket malfunctions

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_termination_system


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Looking back at the video it is hard (for me!) to tell how much before impact did it blow. Either way i'm amazed there wasnt more damage to the launch pad and ancillary equipment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 Streets_of Rage 2 Come_On


    shedweller wrote: »
    Looking back at the video it is hard (for me!) to tell how much before impact did it blow. Either way i'm amazed there wasnt more damage to the launch pad and ancillary equipment.

    Still gonna cost 20mil and a year to put right....apparently.

    Are these figures got at by billing $1000 for a screw and $10000 for a door? The pic don't look that bad.

    Interesting number there,
    Twenty one people have died in the name of science, either space vehicle testing, launch, or re-entry prior to landing.

    Would have said much higher myself for some reason.


    http: //flightclub.jalopnik.com/antares-rocket-explosion-repairs-will-take-a-year-and-c-1666888710


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,549 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    This incident alone was several times that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nedelin_catastrophe

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,476 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭dbran


    Article about the chinese rocket disaster in 1994

    And only 6 people were killed and just 57 injured !!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBJ9ue6GKek


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭_Tombstone_


    Such a PITA finding this thread:mad:

    Popcorn at the ready, this baby is being rolled out for another go on Dec3 with a 30 min launch window,


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    Different Rocket this time, Antares last time, Atlas this time. Great Pic gallery timeline of the last few months here of them getting it ready.

    o4kandraeorkghwf26qh.jpg

    Here she is...


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