2015 Volvo XC90 Price/Availability?

shuffles03

Does anyone know the starting & fully specc'd price for one of these?

R.O.R

shuffles03 wrote: »

Does anyone know the starting & fully specc'd price for one of these?

Starting price is 70,950 for the D5 4x4 momentum, which is the equivalent to the SE specification in Volvo's new model line up.

Can't remember the other prices, but it's roughly 3 grand more for the T8 PHEV version, but that has a bit more discount available.

Orders for the new model are open now.

carsfan

When you say more discount available, do you mean from the dealer or due to the government grants?
Another words are there discounts available on this modal already?
If so any idea of what level as I am interested on one of these or maybe BMW x5.

freddieot

I looked at this as well over the last while.

Good lucking car but by the time you add extras it will be a lot more than the equivalent X5. Then will depreciation be higher ?. I think that's always been the Volvo issue, the same or more expensive than BMW or Merc but less likely to hold value against them after say 4 years.

The starting price is more or less the same as the BMW X25d which has 4x4. You will get into a Mercedes M250 for about 77k.

fmcg_scribe

carsfan wrote: »

When you say more discount available, do you mean from the dealer or due to the government grants?
Another words are there discounts available on this modal already?
If so any idea of what level as I am interested on one of these or maybe BMW x5.

As already mentioned in another discussion here recently, it seems that Volvo will be not be offering discounts on the new XC90:
http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/volv...ts-end/1309137

The outgoing model was in production for about 12 years, so there will be pent-up demand for the new model for the first year or two, at least.

carsfan

That article refers to the UL market I would imagine.
I think Ireland would be a different ball game.

fmcg_scribe

carsfan wrote: »

That article refers to the UL market I would imagine.
I think Ireland would be a different ball game.

In what way?

Volume car makers look at pricing and production in global, regional, and country terms. Ireland is a small car market and the Irish economy is still recovering from the recession.

When it comes to deciding how many LHD/RHD XC90s to make over the next 12 months, I expect that Volvo will direct most of the production output to China and the US (that's what the Germans have been doing for the last several years). That will probably determine the initial supply of new XC90s to Europe.

If the supply of new XC90s is limited in Europe generally, why would Volvo want to discount the car in Ireland or elsewhere?

After all, there's been articles recently about Volvo wanting to move "upmarket" to compete against the likes of BMW and Mercedes and that has influenced the pricing of the new XC90 in most countries (I expect).

carsfan

I called to my local volvo dealer about the xc90 a couple of weeks ago. He told me that volvo Ireland hadn't told them at that stage what their margin was going to be on them and he would discuss prices with me when he knew where he stood with it.
He led me to believe there was room for some negotiation when he got his figures from volvo.
I will report back when I talk again to him.
I would be concerned re residuals compared to x5 like previous poster if the last model is anything to go by.

freddieot

Another issue with Volvo residuals is that once in a while they introduce special editions. Imagine how you might feel if you spec up this Volvo to about 75k, Then, next year, Volvo introduce a special offer \ edition where they include a pack for €999 or whatever with many of the extras you have paid hard cash for.

This happened me some years ago when I bought a T4. Volvo introduced a special edition pack the following year with the same wheels and lights as the T4. It also included half leather if memory serves me correctly. As the cost overall was much cheaper than the options I had paid for it narrowed the gap considerably and cut the cost benefit of the extras on my car when I eventually went to sell.

BMW and Mercedes don't tend to go down that road. BMW in particular are unlikely to greatly vary the spec on the new X5 for a while yet.

fmcg_scribe

freddieot wrote: »

Another issue with Volvo residuals is that once in a while they introduce special editions. Imagine how you might feel if you spec up this Volvo to about 75k, Then, next year, Volvo introduce a special offer \ edition where they include a pack for €999 or whatever with many of the extras you have paid hard cash for.

This happened me some years ago when I bought a T4. Volvo introduced a special edition pack the following year with the same wheels and lights as the T4. It also included half leather if memory serves me correctly. As the cost overall was much cheaper than the options I had paid for it narrowed the gap considerably and cut the cost benefit of the extras on my car when I eventually went to sell.

BMW and Mercedes don't tend to go down that road. BMW in particular are unlikely to greatly vary the spec on the new X5 for a while yet.

It's not unknown for BMW to produce so-called "run out" versions of models during the last year of production. The E39 5 series is a good example - there were at least two "special editions" of the car during the last year or two of production. These were separate from the mid-life facelift a few years earlier.

Sometimes, BMW also offers "packs" of options that can discount bundles of those options substantially than if you had specified them separately. However, this varies from country to country and from model to model.

carsfan

The residuals on the volvo would bother me especially paying so much for the car in the first place.
Also a lot of the tech looks really new and could have issues I fear where the x5 seems pretty straight forward in comparison. The x5 is also new enough in its life cycle that I don't think any special editions will come out for a while.

R.O.R

Despite the gospel that is autocar, and the many links to it, there is dealer margin on the new XC90. If there wasn't, the dealer wouldn't make any money when they sold one, and there would also be issues with price fixing.

Volvo are not giving additional support above dealer margin, but dealers have around the same margin as BMW or Audi dealers do.

Dealers got their price lists early last week, and they should have had confirmation of no additional support by now as well.

freddieot

Let's be honest, the base price of vehicles like this is usually not the final price paid. Metallic paint, leather seats, trim, heated this and that and various other goodies can greatly add to the value.

If you go onto both the BMW and the Volvo websites and play with the configurators it seems to me that the Volvo is as expensive and depending on the extras, far more expensive than the X5. Personally at least, it is a no-brainer which one to choose. Why drive a Volvo when you can get a BMW at a better price and it should hold it's value better. Of course that's just my personal view.

If the XC90 was tipping out at about 67k with all the extra I want in the Beamer (which cost me 75.5) then I might reconsider but at closer to 77k it would be greatly overpriced for what it is, but opinions will vary of course
I think these cars will be way apart in residual value after 4 years.

fmcg_scribe

Agree that an X5 would hold its value better. Agree too that car makers make a lot of money on options specified at order time.

That said, it's madness buying a luxury or premium car new. Unless you are really lucky, you will take a large financial hit over the first three years. Indeed, for cars like a 7 series or an S class and perhaps a high end SUV, it's better to be the third owner to fully ensure that you don't lose too much money in depreciation.

carsfan

I wonder if this xc90 will do better though. Looking at the specs I can't see a huge difference between this and an x5. Charging over a grand for metallic is a bit cheeky though.
I want a car that has seating for 7 and from first appearances the volvo looks better at this.
Residual wise I know no car that doesn't shed loads and the more you spend, the more you lose.
R.O.R. Who deals in leases might enlighten us as to which he would pick and which would be worth more in 3 or 4 years?

R.O.R

Off today and 2 new car launches in the morning, but I'll try to have a look tomorrow afternoon or Thursday.

Doubt there's going to be much in it between the diesels and the PHEV is such an unknown that it's just sure guess work.

Tried to persuade the missus to go for the PHEV. She could do all week on one electric charge, but she saw through the man maths fuel savings i presented.

carsfan

carsfan wrote: »

I wonder if this xc90 will do better though. Looking at the specs I can't see a huge difference between this and an x5. Charging over a grand for metallic is a bit cheeky though.
I want a car that has seating for 7 and from first appearances the volvo looks better at this.
Residual wise I know no car that doesn't shed loads and the more you spend, the more you lose.
R.O.R. Who deals in leases might enlighten us as to which he would pick and which would be worth more in 3 or 4 years?

new discovery sport has 7 seats

http://www.landrover.ie/newdiscoverysport/

available early 2015

English prices

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/discovery-sport/84812/new-2015-land-rover-discovery-sport-prices-specs-and-details

carsfan

Looked at the discovery sport online. No irish prices yet I think. Called to my local dealer about this too and was deeply unimpressed with them. Anyway when I told my wife about it she said no way are we buying a land rover! We have heard too many tales of problems/ breakdowns even with new ones for her to consider one.

recent car f-type etc reliability is a lot better. it would work out a fair bit cheaper to buy than a volvo xc90 I would say. I would say that the prices will start in mid fifties euro.

R.O.R

About 45k for the entry level Disco Sport, Was about the only info dealers had on Friday.

I think it will be a good bit smaller than the Volvo and X5 as it's the Freelander replacement.

fmcg_scribe

carsfan wrote: »

I wonder if this xc90 will do better though. Looking at the specs I can't see a huge difference between this and an x5. Charging over a grand for metallic is a bit cheeky though.
I want a car that has seating for 7 and from first appearances the volvo looks better at this.
Residual wise I know no car that doesn't shed loads and the more you spend, the more you lose.
R.O.R. Who deals in leases might enlighten us as to which he would pick and which would be worth more in 3 or 4 years?

Residuals
It's way too early to say how the new XC90 will do for residuals.

Demand exceeding supply for new and used car for the first three or four years after launch might help with long-term residuals.

That said, as the car moves towards and past the end of its production cycle, other consideration will come into play, such as perceived desirability, reliability, and running costs; changes in perceptions about Volvo; competition from new and used rival cars, and so on.

Sometimes, residuals bounce around before steadying or perhaps increasing. Two examples from BMW come to mind:

• The E46 M3 CSL: When the car was launched, a lot of people wondered if it was over-priced compared to the standard E46 M3. However, the reviews of the car were universally good (the technical improvements and weight-saving measures meant for a sharper driving experience) and the production run was limited. Therefore, within about two years of the production run of the CSL ending, residuals were very strong and still are over a standard E46 M3.
• The E52 Z8: The car was left hand drive and had the engine of the E39 M5. It was a sort of modern reinterpretation (by Henrik Fisker) of the BMW 507 and was featured in a Bond film. As a driver's car, the car wasn't rated highly. However, it had a limited production run (5,703 built) and was perhaps not as successful as BMW had hoped. The car was hand built and BMW promised that there would be a 50-year stock pile of parts. Arguably, the Alpina version of the car is better. However, the car has become a sort of "classic" and commands more money now than it did when it was in production.

So, no rhyme or reason, really.

Sometimes, car makers price a car incorrectly at launch. Again, two examples from BMW come to mind:

• The E63 M6: At launch in the UK, the car cost about £20K more than an E60 M5 yet both cars shared the same engine and similar performance figures. Nobody reckoned that the M6 was £20K better than the M5, so the car lost a lot of money quickly, so the used values dropped to roughly the same as used M5 cars. The same pattern was observed in other countries.
• The F06 Gran Coupe: At launch in the UK, the car cost a lot more than the Audi A7 and Mercedes CLS. It seemed that BMW was trying to position the car as, say, an Aston Martin Rapide rival. Sales of the car in the UK have not been strong. Perhaps in places like the US sales have been better.

So, BMW has perhaps pulled its punches with those two cars.

Metallic paint
Most car maker will charge several hundred extra for metallic point.

7 seats
The E70 and F15 X5 can have 7 seats but it's a factory fitted option. I don't how the space and practicality of a 7 seat X5 compares to the outgoing XC90 or the new XC90.

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/rivals-2015-land-rover-discovery-sport-beat/1310442

disco sport vs 7 seat rivals info. also says at bottom re xc90

"Our initial inspection of the new XC90 suggest that, as with the Discovery Sport, the rearmost seats are for occasional use only. In the XC90, Volvo says they are designed for people up to 5ft 7in tall, but they can take a pair of child seats so long as you hold them in place with a seatbelt – there are no Isofix points. - See more at: http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/rivals-2015-land-rover-discovery-sport-beat/1310442#sthash.CPRUkASf.dpuf"

carsfan

The disco sport comes with a dated engine that apparently will be replaced in a few months. I don't understand why they would release the car with an old engine that will be obselete in a few months.
It looks like a nice car however.

fmcg_scribe

carsfan wrote: »

The disco sport comes with a dated engine that apparently will be replaced in a few months. I don't understand why they would release the car with an old engine that will be obselete in a few months.
It looks like a nice car however.

Funnily enough, that's what Auto Express said:
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/88473/the-xe-and-disco-sport-are-great-shame-one-arrives-with-a-hand-tied-behind-its-back

disco sport
L 4,600mm
W 2,173mm
H 1,724mm

new volvo xc90
L 4,950mm
W 2,140mm
H 1,775mm

Basically the volvo is a foot longer.

carsfan

I investigated buying one of these further. Big prob for me is that dealer says he can't tell me when he can get me a car . Could be the end of March up to May/June and as a consequence can only give me rough price as to what my trade in will be worth at this time as it could be up to 6 months away.
There is no discount off list either as previously discussed. Price will be list less book value of my car. They don't do any service package and when I asked would any services get thrown in for a deal....no.
I think it will be a cracking car but can't justify paying more for it than an x5 with service inclusive. I think it's better looking than the x5 but feel x5 will be worth more in 3 to 4 years.
Anybody else looked into getting one?

Satanta

Sorry to dig up an old thread. I was looking at the Volvo main Irish site today going through the car configurator. They give the basic prices as follows:

75K for the D5 and 85K for the Hybrid. They are only silting the R Design and Inscription in the available versions though which adds 5K and 6K respectively to the price. However, either way the difference between the diesel and hybrid is 10K. That's allot more than an additional 3K! I really hop that doesnt put off the Irish buyers because I would dearly love to have some of those hybrids available second hand in a few years.

R.O.R

Satanta wrote: »

Sorry to dig up an old thread. I was looking at the Volvo main Irish site today going through the car configurator. They give the basic prices as follows:

75K for the D5 and 85K for the Hybrid. They are only silting the R Design and Inscription in the available versions though which adds 5K and 6K respectively to the price. However, either way the difference between the diesel and hybrid is 10K. That's allot more than an additional 3K! I really hop that doesnt put off the Irish buyers because I would dearly love to have some of those hybrids available second hand in a few years.

Those are the retail prices before the government grants.

New naming system for Volvo's is coming, to bring Ireland in to line with Europe, so the entry level will be the Momentum model, that replaces the SE specification.

D5 Momentum lists at €70,950
T8 PHEV Momentum lists at €80,950, but there's a €2,500 VRT rebate, and a €5,000 SEAI Grant to come off that, so the net result is the cost of the PHEV is only €2,500 more than the D5.

I was talking to someone recently who was over in Sweden driving the T6 model - that's the PHEV without the Electric backup, so a mere 320hp, but he was saying that was still pulling strong at 160km/h when he had to lift off as they were running out of straight.......


Discovery Sport actually starts at €39,495 for the manual S model, up to €69,685 for the HSE LUX Auto. 5 Seats as standard only though, with 7 Seats being an option at €1,775. There's also an option of Row 3 Pack - no idea what that is, but it's €3,140 on the S model so must be just more than the extra 2 seats.

Oafley Jones

Father in law had money down on the T8 around a month or two ago. Was told that the only option was in black and that the car would be ready in April. Started seeing reports around the same time that Volvo were well behind in production and didn't expect the volume of orders to be so high. Most places were estimating November 2015 for shipping. Johnson and Perrot were keeping to their original date until last week, when they told him October. He's since cancelled and bought another Lexus RX. Shame as it's a lovely looking machine though and I was really looking forward to seeing it. He says he'll buy it 2016 now.

I remember saying on here when it was announced that it'd take a lot of sales from the RX. This is Father in Law's 7th or 8th Lexus and I didn't see him ever swapping brand. I'd imagine he's not alone. In fairness it seems to light years ahead of the current machine. Hard to argue with the reliability Lexus though.

sword1

Will this be available in the utility vehicle version that passes for commercial tax, I think it is n1 or something similar, the only 3 at the moment that pass are landcruiser, pajero and discovery?

copacetic

R.O.R wrote: »

Those are the retail prices before the government grants.

New naming system for Volvo's is coming, to bring Ireland in to line with Europe, so the entry level will be the Momentum model, that replaces the SE specification.

D5 Momentum lists at €70,950
T8 PHEV Momentum lists at €80,950, but there's a €2,500 VRT rebate, and a €5,000 SEAI Grant to come off that, so the net result is the cost of the PHEV is only €2,500 more than the D5.

I was talking to someone recently who was over in Sweden driving the T6 model - that's the PHEV without the Electric backup, so a mere 320hp, but he was saying that was still pulling strong at 160km/h when he had to lift off as they were running out of straight.......


Discovery Sport actually starts at €39,495 for the manual S model, up to €69,685 for the HSE LUX Auto. 5 Seats as standard only though, with 7 Seats being an option at €1,775. There's also an option of Row 3 Pack - no idea what that is, but it's €3,140 on the S model so must be just more than the extra 2 seats.

The row 3 pack is the 7 seats plus, extra climate control vents for the seats and extra sub port them also I believe.

RedorDead

copacetic wrote: »

The row 3 pack is the 7 seats plus, extra climate control vents for the seats and extra sub port them also I believe.

Did the last XC90 not have seven seats as standard? This would be a step backwards no?

R.O.R

RedorDead wrote: »

Did the last XC90 not have seven seats as standard? This would be a step backwards no?

That's on the Discovery Sport.