dry cow minerals

Greengrass1

Any one buy yet? Using blocks at min. Seem to be doing the job. Great shine on cows and calves

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Any one buy yet? Using blocks at min. Seem to be doing the job. Great shine on cows and calves

bought some of the calsea precalver blocks from grassland agro, had 2 different sales reps around and 2 seperate phones too, second rep called yesterday knowing i had already ordered the blocks and actisan from them.

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

bought some of the calsea precalver blocks from grassland agro, had 2 different sales reps around and 2 seperate phones too, second rep called yesterday knowing i had already ordered the blocks and actisan from them.

What do you think of them? Cows seem to love them here

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

bought some of the calsea precalver blocks from grassland agro, had 2 different sales reps around and 2 seperate phones too, second rep called yesterday knowing i had already ordered the blocks and actisan from them.

What do you think of them? Cows seem to love them here

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What do you think of them? Cows seem to love them here

Never a problem with them here.

KCTK

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Any one buy yet? Using blocks at min. Seem to be doing the job. Great shine on cows and calves

Would any of ye guys just use boluses for dry cow minerals? I threw the minerals on the silage last year but by the time I was finished the boluses would have been as cheap and if they are as good you'd be guaranteed each cow has got minerals or would ye just use blocks?

Mulumpy

Used the calsea blocks a few years ago but they only a nuisance. Have much better results from powder Use Welmin pre calver here

Night Nav

Mulumpy wrote: »

Used the calsea blocks a few years ago but they only a nuisance. Have much better results from powder Use Welmin pre calver here

Use the Welmin dry cow Elite myself here too ……might be expensive but you get what you pay for and reduces the vet bill

KCTK

Night Nav wrote: »

Use the Welmin dry cow Elite myself here too ……might be expensive but you get what you pay for and reduces the vet bill

That's the stuff I used last year, like yourself think I got great results from it so might just stick with it

Cow Porter

KCTK wrote: »

Would any of ye guys just use boluses for dry cow minerals? I threw the minerals on the silage last year but by the time I was finished the boluses would have been as cheap and if they are as good you'd be guaranteed each cow has got minerals or would ye just use blocks?

i thought there are some minerals that have to be fed daily and cannot be got in a bolus....

mahoney_j

KCTK wrote: »

Would any of ye guys just use boluses for dry cow minerals? I threw the minerals on the silage last year but by the time I was finished the boluses would have been as cheap and if they are as good you'd be guaranteed each cow has got minerals or would ye just use blocks?

Bolus cows here for breeding in april but not willing to chanve it for calving.Using a mineral from shamrock enterprises for last few years with great results.Powder based and throw out morning and evening from xmas week on and start adding iodine to water from 20 jan.Not a fan of blocks as some cows will gorge on them and more only glance at them

Brown Podzol

Had problems years ago with retained after births mainly and tried a lot of different formulations from different co's and no improvement. I did mineral analysis on herbage, soil and blood and got a dry cow mineral formulated on the results. No problem since. I think if you have problems then a bespoke mineral may be the best option.

Deepsouthwest

mahoney_j wrote: »

Bolus cows here for breeding in april but not willing to chanve it for calving.Using a mineral from shamrock enterprises for last few years with great results.Powder based and throw out morning and evening from xmas week on and start adding iodine to water from 20 jan.Not a fan of blocks as some cows will gorge on them and more only glance at them

I thought that was the idea of lick blocks, some cows need more minerals than others, and that's why done gorge and more just glance. Or is that just sales talk? Use the alsure bolus' here when the cows are dry and find them super for calving cows, almost never a retained cleaning, if that's a good indicator. Spoke to allsure guys at the ploughing, they said I should be giving a second one pre breeding, which I'm considering as I had 13% empty at scanning. They even said they'd give me half the blouses for free if I let them monitor the results.

orm0nd

Cow Porter wrote: »

i thought there are some minerals that have to be fed daily and cannot be got in a bolus....

Vitamin E would be fairly important

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Spoke to allsure guys at the ploughing, they said I should be giving a second one pre breeding, which I'm considering as I had 13% empty at scanning. They even said they'd give me half the blouses for free if I let them monitor the results.

that contradicts what it says on the tin "this product should only be given at periods not exceeding 6 months"

I think you would be better off doing like Brown Podzol ^^^ and see what exactly your animals need



just for the record I use Lifeline products for cows and sheep with good results

Deepsouthwest

orm0nd wrote: »

Vitamin E would be fairly important



that contradicts what it says on the tin "this product should only be given at periods not exceeding 6 months"

I think you would be better off doing like Brown Podzol ^^^ and see what exactly your animals need



just for the record I use Lifeline products for cows and sheep with good results

Took blood samples for mineral analysis last wk and am awaiting results

stanflt

Started using boluses here this year and no pre Calver mineral just mag flakes a few days before calving


No retained afterbirth milk fever or ketosis and most importantly no mortalities

I know it's early days but happy so far- in saying that I had a serious mineral problem due to high output and spreading of lime

Cows will have access to phos/salt blocks when house and a slightly different one for the dry cows

Works out cheaper than minerals added to the Tmr even If you have to pay for them wink wink

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Started using boluses here this year and no pre Calver mineral just mag flakes a few days before calving


No retained afterbirth milk fever or ketosis and most importantly no mortalities

I know it's early days but happy so far- in saying that I had a serious mineral problem due to high output and spreading of lime

Cows will have access to phos/salt blocks when house and a slightly different one for the dry cows

Works out cheaper than minerals added to the Tmr even If you have to pay for them wink wink

You hinted at this before in a previous thread Stan. I've spread a crazy amount lime here in the last 18 mths, but really feel it's turned the farm inside out, hope to continue to spread more nxt yr after soil sampling. What issues did u find with spreading a lot of line?

Greengrass1

stanflt wrote: »

Started using boluses here this year and no pre Calver mineral just mag flakes a few days before calving


No retained afterbirth milk fever or ketosis and most importantly no mortalities

I know it's early days but happy so far- in saying that I had a serious mineral problem due to high output and spreading of lime

Cows will have access to phos/salt blocks when house and a slightly different one for the dry cows

Works out cheaper than minerals added to the Tmr even If you have to pay for them wink wink

Did you get the boluses free
Seriously though which make block do ye use?

C0N0R

Ok tell me this re bolus, been told in college that you should be feeding 30g per cow of pre calver mineral per day, how on earth does a bolus provide that amount!!

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Did you get the boluses free
Seriously though which make block do ye use?

Do u read the farming indo or journal gg.theres a lad with a right smiley head on it using Mayo healthcare blouses with very good results!!!'

stanflt

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

You hinted at this before in a previous thread Stan. I've spread a crazy amount lime here in the last 18 mths, but really feel it's turned the farm inside out, hope to continue to spread more nxt yr after soil sampling. What issues did u find with spreading a lot of line?

Lime and sulphar when used in large amounts lock up the natural minerals in the plant

Phos/salt blocks help animals release the natural minerals in their body

mahoney_j

C0N0R wrote: »

Ok tell me this re bolus, been told in college that you should be feeding 30g per cow of pre calver mineral per day, how on earth does a bolus provide that amount!!

30 Grames its more like 100/120.minerals in bolus are chelated ,slow release over 180 days ish

stanflt

C0N0R wrote: »

Ok tell me this re bolus, been told in college that you should be feeding 30g per cow of pre calver mineral per day, how on earth does a bolus provide that amount!!

30g a day of what

It's about concentration of the mineral not weight

One brand of mineral could have more iodine etc in 2 g than others in 100g

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Lime and sulphar when used in large amounts lock up the natural minerals in the plant

Phos/salt blocks help animals release the natural minerals in their body

Used a lot if sulphur as well this yr, and had disappointing scanning results. Would u think this would've affected this?

mahoney_j

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Used a lot if sulphur as well this yr, and had disappointing scanning results. Would u think this would've affected this?

I use about 20 units of s Per acre here from Mid April to mid June.no more than 6 to 8 units per application..1 bag of asn on silage ground.vet advised not to use asn (1 bag) in a single application in grazing area as it locks up copper and affects fertility can cause early embryonic loss.

stanflt

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Used a lot if sulphur as well this yr, and had disappointing scanning results. Would u think this would've affected this?

You need to do bloods

No point spending money if you don't know where the problem is

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

You need to do bloods

No point spending money if you don't know where the problem is

Bloods taken last wk, awaiting results

Deepsouthwest

mahoney_j wrote: »

I use about 20 units of s Per acre here from Mid April to mid June.no more than 6 to 8 units per application..1 bag of asn on silage ground.vet advised not to use asn (1 bag) in a single application in grazing area as it locks up copper and affects fertility can cause early embryonic loss.

No asn spread here, sulphur only spread through compounds like 27-2.5-5 + 5% S. Hadn't heard that that and lime could have such a negative effect.

greenfield21

So to dairy cows they should get minerals pre calving and pre breeding. Anybody got any names of the products they used and are most products like licks or how is it usually administered. Also Should they get any minerals in the summer?

orm0nd

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Had problems years ago with retained after births mainly and tried a lot of different formulations from different co's and no improvement. I did mineral analysis on herbage, soil and blood and got a dry cow mineral formulated on the results. No problem since. I think if you have problems then a bespoke mineral may be the best option.

Just curious was there any mineral that was particularly low ?

awaywithyou

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

No asn spread here, sulphur only spread through compounds like 27-2.5-5 + 5% S. Hadn't heard that that and lime could have such a negative effect.

is your soil high in molybdenum?? if it is applying lime to it will lock up copper...

awaywithyou

C0N0R wrote: »

Ok tell me this re bolus, been told in college that you should be feeding 30g per cow of pre calver mineral per day, how on earth does a bolus provide that amount!!

as far i know cows should get 30g of magnesium/day when dry.... but that would depend on the potassium levels in your silage... high potassium - more magnesium needed

Deepsouthwest

awaywithyou wrote: »

is your soil high in molybdenum?? if it is applying lime to it will lock up copper...

Don't think so, but I'll check my last soil samples. Learning a lot here tonight that I didn't know before bout minerals and the effects between cow and soils

stanflt

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Don't think so, but I'll check my last soil samples. Learning a lot here tonight that I didn't know before bout minerals and the effects between cow and soils

Don't always believe what you read on the net and in papers

Always seek professional advice

Deepsouthwest

stanflt wrote: »

Don't always believe what you read on the net and in papers

Always seek professional advice

Absolutely agreed, but thanx raising my awareness of the lime and sulphur issues

whelan2

stanflt wrote: »

Don't always believe what you read on the net and in papers

Always seek professional advice

just had Mayo healthcare rep here showing me you in the ad in the farming indo

td5man

whelan2 wrote: »

just had Mayo healthcare rep here showing me you in the ad in the farming indo

IFJ last week as well.

whelan2

td5man wrote: »

IFJ last week as well.

and this week, so salesman told me

Greengrass1

23e for post calver
23e for pre calver
16e for general purpose for weanlings
All 25kg bags off nutribio

Deepsouthwest

Cows finished grazing here last friday, on just bale silage now. When I left the cows in the collecting yard this morning a good few of them were licking the ground/any place where there was a small pool of dirty water. Normally don't start minerals here until jan 1st. Surprised to see them lacking and looking for something already. Anyone ideas what's causing this?

mahoney_j

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Cows finished grazing here last friday, on just bale silage now. When I left the cows in the collecting yard this morning a good few of them were licking the ground/any place where there was a small pool of dirty water. Normally don't start minerals here until jan 1st. Surprised to see them lacking and looking for something already. Anyone ideas what's causing this?

Know of a lad that had same problem,bought a few of those blocks of Himalayan roc salt on dd,solved the problem.

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Know of a lad that had same problem,bought a few of those blocks of Himalayan roc salt on dd,solved the problem.

Ah FFS that the shyte the missus would pay a fortune for in a Spa.

Phos is usually the go when licking concrete. A general purpose min would sort.

Any salt is to get cows to drink more and thus eat more.

frazzledhome

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Had problems years ago with retained after births mainly and tried a lot of different formulations from different co's and no improvement. I did mineral analysis on herbage, soil and blood and got a dry cow mineral formulated on the results. No problem since. I think if you have problems then a bespoke mineral may be the best option.

Same here, did full range mag low on farm. We now use Glanbia PreCalver Gold with added mag. Problem sorted.

We feed adlib to dry cows from Christmas on.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Know of a lad that had same problem,bought a few of those blocks of Himalayan roc salt on dd,solved the problem.

I know cows love salt but what's so great about those Himalayan salts?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I know cows love salt but what's so great about those Himalayan salts?

A fancy name to charge the shyte outa ya

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

A fancy name to charge the shyte outa ya

More than salt in them lads,sure if it's good for the wife tis good for the cows!High in magnesium ,potassium and a heap of trace elements as well

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

More than salt in them lads,sure if it's good for the wife tis good for the cows!

Don't let the wife hear he saying that my missus would fcuk the block at me

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Same here, did full range mag low on farm. We now use Glanbia PreCalver Gold with added mag. Problem sorted.

We feed adlib to dry cows from Christmas on.

Didn't know glanbia did mins?,funny they sell nutribio then.
We said we'd start feeding mins to them now. Don't want to be having same probs as last yr

Dawggone

mahoney_j wrote: »

Know of a lad that had same problem,bought a few of those blocks of Himalayan roc salt on dd,solved the problem.

Rock salt, the stuff used on the roads, 60gms per day per animal. Cheap as chips, fire it into TMR.

Sorry for blaspheming!

Cow Porter

Greengrass1 wrote: »

23e for post calver
23e for pre calver
16e for general purpose for weanlings
All 25kg bags off nutribio

any feed rates on the label :cool:

Greengrass1

Cow Porter wrote: »

any feed rates on the label :cool:

He 120g /day for milkers that's all I can remember off top of my head