Swedish navy sends 200 people to hunt for 'foreign underwater activity'

blackwhite

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Yes, I am impressed by the way NATO makes decisions COLLECTIVELY.
Only last week we saw Turkey bombing the Kurds while the other NATO members arm, support and see the Kurds as allies.
NATO is at war with ISIS, meanwhile Turkey by turning a blind eye and allowing European Jihadist volunteers to cross into Syria is a supporter of ISIS.
Interesting to note that no one is now discussing this imaginary Russian sub in Swedish territorial waters - that's because there isn't one!

You really should learn to read posts before going off on completely wild tangents.

NATO collectively decides WHO TO ADMIT does not mean the same thing as NATO having the power to decide on every single thing a member state happens to do.

Again, I can see the difficulty for people who idolise Putin seeing as how, in the Soviet "glory days" that they seem to want restore, there was no scope for any Eastern Block state to make any decisions without getting sign-off from their overlords in Moscow. Exactly how Putin seems to want anything east of Berlin to behave now - judging on the reaction he has anytime an Eastern European country makes a decision that he doesn't like.

Elmer Blooker

I'll ignore the above post by blackwhite, any poster that believes this "restoring the Soviet glory days" nonsense isn't worth replying to.
But if you see nothing wrong with one NATO member supporting ISIS while the others are fighting them that's your opinion.

Interesting article this, dated 5/8/2014 That's 11 weeks ago!
This Professor Johan Backman from Helsinki University is really on the ball!
http://en.ria.ru/burning_point/20140805/191768221/US-and-NATO-Up-for-New-Anti-Russia-Provocation-This-Time-in-The.html

We remember one very interesting incident – the provocation with the Soviet submarine in the early 1980’es, the so-called Whiskey on the Rocks provocation. It was an orchestrated provocation and it was used to change the public opinion in Sweden and Finland, as well, towards more anti-Soviet. It was organized by Swedes together with the Americans. Now they are probably trying to do something like that and the situation is obviously very dangerous, because the provocations orchestrated by the US have been extremely horrifying.

blackwhite

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I'll ignore the above post by blackwhite, any poster that believes this "restoring the Soviet glory days" nonsense isn't worth replying to.

Sounds about right - ignore anything that doesn't fit the party line - nothing new with that approach anyway

Yarf Yarf

Putin is taking the piss. Nothing will come of it. I reckon he's just playing with them, stirring ****, as he does.

Iwasfrozen

NotASheeple wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, of course it will. Bullies usually behave themselves when they meet an opponent who can give them a serious bloody nose. The other poster was clearly talking about a counter balance. Do you know what that means? It means it should grant some stability. Rather than having an out of control war mongering NATO doing as it pleases.

If we've learned one thing from the cold war it's that adding a "counter balance" to the United States does not prevent war. A powerful Russia or Chime will not prevent war, just as it didn't during the cold war when Russia was very powerful.

And your response was a predictable and deliberate misinterpretation of what the other poster said. Of course who could argue with what they said. Western military misadventure has created a lot of death, misery and turmoil in this World. And swallowing the usual western hype and media propaganda line is never a good thing. So let me ask you again, the question you deliberately ignored from the other poster. What gives you the right to question anyone's nationality here?

Implying that only the West is capable of military adventure, ignoring all the tin pot socialist regimes the Soviet Union propped up that caused untold suffering to millions.

Why does NATO still exist? It is a relic of the Cold War so why wasn't it disbanded like the Warsaw pact was? Why has it been provocatively expanding into Eastern Europe? Oh and save me they have a right to join nonsense. Now imagine if the Canadians and the Mexicans joined a military alliance with Russia? Christ, you could be sure Uncle Sam wouldn't tolerate it and would treat it as provocative & aggressive act. No doubt you'd probably be sitting on the fence offering your full apologist support.

NATO exists to act as a deterrent against threats from outside powers. The cold war is over but the threat of armed aggression from Russia or even China still exists and hence NATO is still needed. The fact is NATO is preventing Russian expansion to Poland and the Baltic states.

You and Putin may not like it but former socialist satellite states are independent countries and have a right to join NATO if they wish.

Soon Ukraine will be in NATO (or at the very least the western part) and there's not much Russia can really do about it.

Gatling

America did this and Nato did this .

Funny how people seem to forget about russian direct involvement with the Korean war .
Vietnam both directly and indirectly.
Hungarian revolution in '56 massacre

Czechoslovakia invasion in '68 massacres

Afghanistan various massacres from 1979 onwards 600,000 to 2 million citizens either massacred or simply vanished without trace .

Azerbaijan from '88 onwards

Then the following from 92 onwards seems russia have been very aggressive in there action's for the last 20 years alone


War of Transnistria
(1992) Transnistria
 Russia MoldovaVictoryTransnistria gains de factoindependence.Boris YeltsinEast Prigorodny Conflict

(1992) North Ossetia
 South Ossetia
 Russia Ingush militiaVictoryEthnic cleansing ofethnic Ingushfrom the Prigorodny district byOssetianCivil War in Tajikistan
(1992–1997) 
Tajikistan
 Russia
 Uzbekistan
 UTO
Afghanistan
 TalibanUN armisticeThe UTO is promised 30% of the ministerial positions in Tajik government
.Georgian Civil War
(1993) Georgia

 RussiaZviadistsVictoryZviadist revolt crushed.First Chechen War
(1994–1996) Russia Ichkeria

MujahideenWithdrawalChechnya's de facto independence.War of Dagestan

(1999) Russia IIPBVictorySecond Chechen WarSecond Chechen War

(1999–2009) Russia Ichkeria
Caucasian Front
MujahideenVictoryDebellationNine year insurgency.Russo-Georgian War
(2008) Russia

 South Ossetia
 Abkhazia GeorgiaVictoryExpansion of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.Dmitry MedvedevNorth Caucasus Insurgency

(2009–) RussiaCaucasus Emirate
MujahideenOngoingOngoing insurgency.Intervention in Ukraine

BoJack Horseman

I thought this thread was about Sweden?
When did it become about the usual suspects verbally undoing Putin's fly?

In actual news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11178965/Sweden-promises-to-use-force-over-Russian-sub-as-Baltic-hide-and-seek-goes-on.html

They are (idly) threatening to drop a depth charge or two.

They won't though, it would be embarrassing to do so when the sub is likely long gone.

Gatling

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

I thought this thread was about Sweden?
When did it become about the usual suspects verbally undoing Putin's fly?

In actual news:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/11178965/Sweden-promises-to-use-force-over-Russian-sub-as-Baltic-hide-and-seek-goes-on.html

They are (idly) threatening to drop a depth charge or two.

They won't though, it would be embarrassing to do so when the sub is likely long gone.

Actually this vessel have been seen 3/4 times since Sunday which would suggest it's still in the area .

If the swedes had any sense they should publicly request assistance from other nations to send vessels to put a blockade around the area then start depth charging

Iwasfrozen

Gatling wrote: »

Actually this vessel have been seen 3/4 times since Sunday which would suggest it's still in the area .

If the swedes had any sense they should publicly request assistance from other nations to send vessels to put a blockade around the area then start depth charging

Russia is playing right into NATO's hands on this one. How many times can Russia disregard Swedish territorial sovereignty before public opinion in Sweden turns towards joining NATO.

Of course Egginacup will be along any minute to tell us it's really a US sub in disguise and this is all an elaborate Yankie plot.

biko

I hope they catch it. First of all to stick it to the Russians but secondly to show that is wasn't just a ruse to swing people in favour on US/NATO allegiance.